/lit/ - Literature

>>18092318
This isn't organic art. It is stuff our overlords force onto us through morons. In this case blacks who want their 5 mins of fame and a quick buck.

>>18092318
If you were born into an underclass you would use art to express your daily struggles too. Suffering is the most integral part of any universal human condition. The very nature of your (presumable) whiteness allows you to ignore your race in day-to-day interactions, so of course focusing on race seems narrow minded to you. But this is not the experience black people have in America. If you are black, you will never be a successful man in America; you will at most be a successful Black Man in America. It is perfectly reasonable and laudable for Black people to use art to focus on this condition.

>>18092379
If you were born as a manlet you would use art to express your daily struggles too. Suffering is the most integral part of any universal human condition. The very nature of your (presumable) tallness allows you to ignore your height in day-to-day interactions, so of course focusing on height seems narrow minded to you. But this is not the experience short people have in America. If you are a manlet, you will never be a successful man in America; you will at most be a successful compensating manlet in America. It is perfectly reasonable and laudable for short people to use art to focus on this condition.

Are micks able to create any art that ISN'T about themselves? Or, at their most abstract, their condition of being Irish?

poetry:
>lemme tells you bout my struggle n sheit. came from da hamlet now we educated n sheit
books:
>lemme tells you bout bein Irish. my grandpaddy wuz a POTATO n sheit. das CRAZY
plays/movies:
>I's be PROUD of bein Irish n sheit, look at how we is

meanwhile every other race is busy tackling facets of the universal human condition, or beyond humanity e.g. philosophy and theology

pic perfectly related
>bein Irish... is like bein paralysed n sheit. I's be "Dey Dead"

Faulkner wrote about being a southerner
Fitzgerald wrote about being an Ivy League alcoholic
Hemmingway wrote about getting wounded, getting drunk and struggling with suicidal ideation.
Roth wrote about being Jewish and longing for shiksa cunny

>>18092388
this but unironically

>>18092318
Imagine being an American black. You have nothing to be proud of; no history, a manufactured "culture", a chronic victim- and inferiority complex, lower cognitive abilities and a materialistic outlook on life. You're completely disconnected from whatever roots you did have. These books are not about "being black", they're an insight into the rootless, confused creatures that are modern american blacks.

>>18092318
>rap.lemme tells you bout my struggle n sheit. came from da hood now we rich n sheit
You saying this ain't decent poetry.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo

Are Nips able to create any art that ISN'T about themselves? Or, at their most abstract, their condition of being Japanese?

haiku:
>lemme tells you bout my struggle n sheit. came from da shogunate now we modernized n sheit
books:
>lemme tells you bout bein Japanese. my grandaddy wuz a SAMURAI n sheit. das CRAZY
plays/movies:
>I's be PROUD of bein Japanese n sheit, look at how we is

meanwhile every other race is busy tackling facets of the universal human condition, or beyond humanity e.g. philosophy and theology

pic perfectly related
>bein Japanese... is like bein masked n sheit. I's be "Dey Sacurafishu Hero"

>>18092318
Ellison is based though

>>18092318
I FUCKING hate blacks for they created rap
>muh cars muh money muh sluts in bikiny look I am so cool and swag and shit
Rap is hip and fashionable in my country rn and I FUCKING HATE it. FUCK NIGGER

>>18092452

Listen to some art rap like milo you fucking nigger

>>18092432
He's not black though

>>18092394
actually lol'd

>>18092394
uhm actually white men experiences are universal human experiences, it’s really profound to write about those

>>18092420
>Imagine being an American black. You have nothing to be proud of; no history, a manufactured "culture", a chronic victim- and inferiority complex, lower cognitive abilities and a materialistic outlook on life. You're completely disconnected from whatever roots you did have. These books are not about "being black", they're an insight into the rootless, confused creatures that are modern american blacks.
This ignorant incel doesn't even understand how retarded he is.
Black Americans are a fucking factory of world culture, they create more than any other group of people. Holy fuck, how retarded are 4channelers?
>kidnap millions of people and take them to your land
>beat their languages, cultures, religions, and identities out of them for hundreds of years
>make it so their descendents dont even know where they came from, just have a vague idea that it was the western side of a huge fucking continent
But despite all of this
>these same people create their own culture and identity out of nothing
>they create entire genres of music that take the whole world by storm for a century
>they create fashion and styles that the rest of the world adopts
>their standards of beauty are becoming more and more prevalent in the world
>even their made-up language and slang becomes dominant in society
>meanwhile, 4channelers are scared of whites being "genocided", despite being more numerous than any other time in human history
The history of the Black Americans is unironically an image of human perseverance. They were broken down and made into nothing, and so went on to make themselves. You can seethe and hate them as much as you want, but their history is fucking inspiring

>>18093217
Eh, 5/10 bait

>>18093233
0/10, kys

>>18092379
>If you are black, you will never be a successful man in America
You almost had me convinced this wasn't bait.

>>18092501
>"art rap"
>you fucking nigger
you americans make me vomit
you vermin are just pure poison, you ruin everything you touch

>>18093253
Seethe you dumb bitch, and continue to spend more time seething at Americans than you do producing anything of value yourself

Every time I try to reign in my racism, I remember about the genetic difference between blacks and all other people on earth (and the origin of that difference) and I simply can't rein it in. They really are as close to a different species as we have without quite being a different species. They should exist, but they should be quarantined.

>>18092318
It's an American thing, perpetuated by the white cucks of that country. Read African folklore.

>>18093291
They have 20% of Homo naledi in them what did you expect

>>18092318
This is all poltards seethe over. Fuck off with your IDpol, turd

>>18093438
>genuine question
>idpol
real joggin my noggin here

>>18093483
We get this same fucking thread three or four times a week. Have you no self awareness?
It’s obvious you don’t understand nor think about systemic generational racism.

If Ellisson went a little further in his analysis and named the (((Party))) you'd be saying how based he was.

>>18092318
Invisible Man is about the human condition though you tard. It’s just also about being black—just like almost every other book is about particular kinds of people.

>>18092330
This.
Billie Holiday wouldnt sell today not because demand lacking but supply cartel choking.
NOOOO YOU HAVE TO SAG YOUR PANTS, GOYEM!

>>18092394
Dubliners is LITERALLY about tackling the facets of the universal human condition, though. Joyce only made the background to his stories Irish because he was Irish, you fucking nonce. If he was French he would be talking and Paris and if he was German he would talk about Cologne. On the other hand, you can't exchange locales and local traditions and cultures for black authors, they're always complaining about the evil white man and how they're oppressed and shit. If you replaced Mobile Alabama with Beijing China in most black author's stories, they wouldn't make any sense.

>>18093291
>They should exist, but they should be quarantined.
Uh, yeah. Take 30 seconds to review post-American Civil War history and you'll see the government has worked to do this every step of the way. Without going so far as to create literal "reservations" black people have been corralled into specific areas of the country, and on a smaller level, specific areas of those areas.

Just look at a map of demographics. White people/Hispanics pretty much range all over the country, where blacks can be observed to literally have been put into containment zones.

Inb4 white knighting for the black race or your beta cuck /pol/ tier bullshit. It's an observable occurrence caused by overt racist policies by the US government. So go read a book and quit crying about how you don't like one race of people on a Mongolian yurt construction forum.

>>18092330
Where do I purchase grass fed negroes

>>18093633
Truth

>>18093539
>systemic generational racism

>>18093700
>everything I don’t like is tranny
Rent free, poltard. It’s just a fucking fack. I didn’t ask the OP question. I’m sick of it being asked when it should be so obvious

>>18092318
I've actually seen this on twitter and tiktok from blacks.

"damn we never just get to be cool motherfuckers, always slaves or some bullshit, even when we are cool motherfuckers they can't present us without emphasizing the past"

>>18093633
Dude, what?

There are black people in the Northeast and West Coast, where they migrated to in the 20th century, and the South, where they've been for hundreds of years.

The reason there aren't black people in the Southwest is because they haven't chosen to move there, not US government policy. Just like there are no Hispanics in New England, they just didn't choose to move there.

>>18093738
Are you seriously trying to argue in absolutes? Of course there's black people every where but in terms of population densities it's pretty obvious where they're mostly contained.

>I saw one one black person in California, your argument is null!

I should neck myself just for thinking I'd find anyone of actual intelligence on this thread.

>>18093633
>Just look at a map of demographics. White people/Hispanics pretty much range all over the country, where blacks can be observed to literally have been put into containment zones.
For good reason, I'm racist, but I believe this was done for the benifit of society. A group of people that have endured chattel slaver for generations:
>having everything provided to them
>being willfully obedient
>no incentive to work hard
Will not be benifical for assimilation or society.

>>18092318
It's a silly book, but I do give him props for trying.
>the whole ER fanfic scene where he is being electrocuted and nurse doctors go "Oh look he can dance",
>the scene where the black man has a dream or some shit about stumbling accross a naked white women in her house 'oh I'm sorry I shouldn't look', framing himself as the victim b/c he thinks he shouldn't be shamed of looking
>the repo men getting beat up for doing their job
>the boxing match where they bring a naked white women if front of the negroes
>pushing the boxers on some electrocution thing after giving them a scholarship
>writes a whole sex scene with a white women, can't stop talking about naked white women
It reads like a black incel novel

>>18093762
>I should neck myself
First good post you made

>>18093772
Thanks. When the day arrives that you make one as well you shall also have my congratulations.

>>18093621
and black books aren't? you're acting like every other race is allowed to talk about their particular struggles and make it about the human condition but somehow black people asking about fate, exceptionalism, identity, etc. is somehow lesser because it's just about black people.
if dubliners was in china it wouldn't make sense either. you can pretend like it would but it's a particularly irish story.

>>18092388
Lol, and here's the kicker: the creative output of the frustrated manlet is orders of magnitude more entertaining.

Blacks lost their cool and are now boring whiners.

Are Danaans able to create any art that ISN'T about themselves? Or, at their most abstract, their condition of being homosexual?

epic:
>lemme tell you bout my struggle n sheit. came from da trojan war now we pan-hellenic n sheit
theater:
>lemme tell you bout bein Greek. my grandaddy was a HOPLITE n sheit. das CRAZY
philosophy
>I's be PROUD of bein Japanese n sheit, look at how free n rational we is

meanwhile every other race is busy tackling facets of the universal human condition, or beyond humanity e.g. actual philosophy and theology

pic perfectly related
>bein Greek... is like bein achilles n sheit. I's be like "Dey In Deys Tent Here"

>>18093815
>>18093859
One has an actual identity, and the other has a shallow (da whytpipo), and mass produced identity. To be honest this isn't as much of a problem with african literature rather it's a specfic african American problem. They could never delve into themes or subjects out of the context of Racism Bad, My life hard, white people are the reason everything sucks. Japanese, greeks, manlets, and irish. All have actual culture and traditions that are autonomous or not held down by narrow and redundant themes.

>>18093217
>The history of the Black Americans is unironically an image of human perseverance.
>MY experience is THE human experience.
Said black Americans and nobody else

>>18093217
this is not even good bait

>>18093880
>mass produced identity.
Almost like getting brutally severed from your ancestral culture and forced into bondage for over a hundred years sets a group back culturally. The issue with African American culture is that it has been forced to develop in a capitalist economy so of course it’s going to have uniquely ridiculous aspects, just like Americans in general. Further, every attempt blacks in the US have made to assert and lift themselves above their condition have been ruthlessly put down by the American state, particularly the FBI and CIA.

>>18093891
>james joyce
>fernando pessoa
>jd salinger
>ernst junger
>celine
>dostoevsky
literally all of those authors wrote books based on their own lives and experiences, but i guarantee you wouldn't shit on any of them for saying "MY experience is THE human experience." we extract from the particular to find the universal--you just happen to notice it when black people do that because you're not black and notice that it's a particular experience

>>18093767
>white woman scenes
White women cannot stop talking about this book.
BBC books mayn

>>18093906
>Almost like getting brutally severed from your ancestral culture and forced into bondage for over a hundred years sets a group back culturally.
Yeah, which is why their literature sucks compared to other Africans.
.
>Further, every attempt blacks in the US have made to assert and lift themselves above their condition have been ruthlessly put down by the American state, particularly the FBI and CIA.

Alright now you're just schizo posting.

>>18093621
Delusional.

>>18093938
THIS

>>18093880
It really sounds like you (and many on /lit/) just can’t look past the most surface level theme of a book. A book like Beloved by Morrison is obviously about slavery and evil white people but the themes of being possessed by your past is something anyone could relate to.

>>18093934
>Yeah, which is why their literature sucks compared to other Africans.
Yes.
> Alright now you're just schizo posting.
You do know it’s proven that the FBI and CIA brutally crushed black anti-capitalist movements and flooded the inner cities with crack, right? Clueless.

>>18093934
deny the existence of cointellpro lol. deny CIA involvement in the drug trade, deny the Tulsa massacre.

>>18093934
>fbi/cia working against blacks
>schizo posting

Choose only one.

>>18093974
>>18093982
>>18093985
>>18094017

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_trafficking
>...led to three federal investigations, all of which concluded there was no evidence of conspiracy by the CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States.
Are we just going to accept conspiracy theories as true without any evidence? Are we /pol/ now? You must really be in deep to reply 4 times in a row.

>>18094025
>government investigates itself
>hey would you look at that we did nothing wrong
big if true.

>>18092388
B A S E D

>>18094025
Just from your wikipedia article:
> These claims have led to investigations by the United States government, including hearings and reports by the United States House of Representatives, Senate, Department of Justice, and the CIA's Office of the Inspector General which ultimately concluded the allegations were unsupported.
Because the CIA investigating itself makes perfect sense, we can trust these conclusions 100% lmao. Even so, this is only one example, the FBI is also responsible for numerous extrajudicial murders like the assassination of Fred Hampton. You’re glow in the dark my friend, glow in the dark.

>>18094099
take your meds

>>18094115
>hey look I can Inspect element too

>>18092318
>Are whites able to create any art that ISN'T about themselves? Or, at their most abstract, their condition of being white?

>>18094121
and im the schizo?

>>18094115

>>18094134
see >>18093880

>>18094115
>>>/x/

>>18092432
Immortal Technique sucks. Idiots think he's deep because he mixes classical into his instrumentals and spits out cliched political messaging. (He also has Ancient Aliens shit in his lyrics).

Seriously, Immortal Technique has all the depth and nuance of an 11-year-old who overheard his 14 year-old-brother tell his parents he's a communist.

Oooooo! The instrumental from Love Story used in a song about rape. So deeeeeeep! It's his mother too! OMG! That's just like Oedipus!

"Read btich! R E A D!!"

>>18093934
>Schizo
>Vaguely implying hearing voices or being avoidant
>In context of normal being hearing no inner monologue being mentally barren
>Gee why do people avoid me
>They must be crazy
>It's unthinkable that the same govt that has been caught red handed in countless farce betrayals of the public such as shipping in thousands of low IQ migrants would have systems in place to maximize the destructive stupidity in the lives of said strategic imported peoples
Yeah glownigger you're a lot of killjoy

>>18092318
Alexancre Dumas
Alexander Pushkin

>>18092318
>>18093914
I agree with this to an extent. Obviously black people drawing on their own experience are going to write about being black and racism, because that's what's in their lives. But there are definitely many shallow novels and books about being a queer Muslim or whatever, that have no deeper themes other than racism is bad.

>>18094194
I like Immortal Technique because of that stupid flex if that makes sense. It's like the stupidity of rap come full circle. It's like you get closure on being forced to listen to it EVERYWHERE you go and finally this one pops up trying his best to sound smart. He barks racism accusations and wow so deep my girl draws eyes and read a book once at you but really he's trying his best.

>>18092432
this mf really just posted immortal technique. You have to be over 18 to post on this board

>>18092318
>Are blacks able to create any art that ISN'T about themselves
They are not, they are incapable of any abstract thought. This is because they are sub human. The only ones that can come close are those that have some other race mixed with them. They simply did not evolve as much as other races, whites in particular.

Are anglos able to create any art that ISN'T about themselves? Or, at their most abstract, their condition of being anglo?

rock:
>lemme tell you bout my struggle n sheit. came from manchester heaven knows i'm miserable n sheit
books:
>lemme tell you bout bein english. my grandaddy had da WHITE MAN'S BURDEN n sheit. das CRAZY
plays/movies:
>I's be PROUD of bein english n sheit, look at how we's fought wars

meanwhile every other race is busy tackling facets of the universal human condition, or beyond humanity e.g. philosophy (where the greatest english contribution is 'why can't we just do math instead?') and theology (where they literally invented a divorce church)

pic perfectly related
>bein english... is like bein banal n sheit. I's be "Dey Dicknose Man"

>>18094258
i was the second poster, and yeah i'd agree. i'm not saying we should read that modern black YA or shit where it's like "damn i'm black and gay, vote democrat." but i'm sick of this pseudo-/pol/ bullshit where people act like somehow white people writing about their lives is universal but black people writing about their lives is shallow and narrow.

>>18094314
It’s the same thing with female authors.

>>18094276

At least Wu Tang had their own version of William S. Burroughs.

https://youtu.be/pJk0p-98Xzc?t=100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY

Give this man a Booker! Oh, he's a yank? CHANGE THE RULES!!!

>>18092330
>our
Hang in their, black fren.

>>18092330
THIS

>>18094444
>>18092330

>Art is commercialized
>Yeah, it doesn't express reality!
>Capitalist overlords present what they want!
>They're keeping the black man down by appropriating their stereotypes!
>Bro
>Hey Todd! Can I borrow your Critical Race Theory textbook?
>Not until you give me back my copy of The Portable Marx.
>K, it's back in my door room. I'll grab it when I pick up my frisbee.
>Sweet! Ultimate Frisbee!

Take it back to the quad, midwits!

>>18093644

Booker T. Washington's Up From Slavery
A Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglas

Douglas quote, on being asked how angry he was at the conductor for forcing him to sit in the luggage car:

"I will not permit a man to degrade the quality of my soul by making me hate him."

When it comes to American blacks, you've got the WEB Du Bois (equality through political activistism, ideologically driven) school vs. the Booker T. school (entrepreneurial, integration via economic and artist contribution). Unfortunately, the latter has been eviscerated by family instability, drugs, and the outsourcing of traditional working class jobs occupied by black Americans. Same thing has happened to the white working class in a lot of rural America, 20 years later.

>why is black identity negatively defined in reference to white people?
>uhh no it's not, see james joyce's works have a specifically irish identity, that's the same as black people defining themselves as the "other" to another group
>no but like, isn't it weird how other groups define themselves on their own terms, but blacks define themselves in terms of other groups?
>uh yeah almost like blah blah wypepo bad? why can't you get past the superficial themes of blahj blah
christ you people live in poverty, not a single one of you has refuted the central people that OP has spent the entire thread making. all i see is coping, seething, misdirection, ad hominems, you're all fucking retarded

>>18094314

This is tangential, but Fresh Prince of Bel Air was the best 90s sitcom for people of any race. I was basically dairy farm Carlton so theme of him getting lambasted and ostracized for not being black enough resonated for someone book oriented over tractor oriented. Also Uncle Phil was the best father figure of all time.

https://youtu.be/gMNsMdnSBIk

Literally what the fuck are you allowed to identify with if you're denied sympathy for that experience because of the melanin content of your skin? We're not allowed to find value in the Analects or the Book of the Dead or the Popul Vuh because it's cultural appropriation. But don't you go reading any dead white men because they're problematic!

Fuck you, I can identify with Will Smith and Emily Dickinson and some tattoo'd Polynesian can identify with me.

>>18094560

No.

>>18094560
agreed. i hate how identity politics is trying to push this idea that one person's experience can be inaccessible on the basis of race/gender/etc. etc. obviously as a white dude i won't go through what ralph ellison or whoever did, but that doesn't mean i can't 'understand' it on some level.
i think that's where a lot of people who shit on black authors are coming from--since they've been raised on this idea that 'you can never understand what it's like to be black,' there's this implicit idea that black people's experience isn't universal. if we could just get over that and recognize that particularities about experience don't make experience incomprehensible, i think we could help escape those boxes of 'black literature' or 'gay literature' or whatever.

>>18094581

>1994 crime bill
>said he didn't want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle
>"white kids have more opportunities than poor kids"
>comments about how Hispanic community is more diverse than black community
>corn pop story
>eulogized anti-Civil Rights relic Strom Thurmond and considered him his mentor

It's impressive in a very dark and angering way how much this dude gets to skate on because [D] that would have been rabid news cycle worthy if [R]

>>18092318
All modern black art exists to provide the rich, lefty, white people who fund it with the guilt they need.

It’s just pure market demand. No rich white hollywood type is going to fund a movie about a black man fighting a dragon, only projects that remind him/her of what a piece of shit they KNOW they are.

>>18094506
Seconding Douglass. Really great writer.

>>18093217
>Black Americans are a fucking factory of world culture, they create more than any other group
It’s more that what they create can be easily produced and replicated. Theirs is the perfect culture for mass consumption.

>>18094663
>rich white hollywood type
yeah all those 'white' hollywood guys, practically a Wasp country club over in hollywood haha

>>18092318
in the past? absolutely.
today? there are too many agendas.
take jazz for example, it was founded and innovated by african americans.
jazz is one of the purest forms of expression. it is improvised and spontaneous, and it carries the feelings of the player through their horn.

>>18094929
Jazz, even in its most experimental forms, just highly sexualized dance music made for mass consumption. As art music it fails and as pop music it as been superseded up by newer forms of music. It’s popularization was responsible for widespread cultural decline all around the world.

>>18092501
>art rap
lmao
>milo
LMAO

>>18093767
>Why did they insist upon confusing the class struggle with the ass struggle

BRAVO ELLISON!

>>18094979
>highly sexualized dance music
You're just describing music.

>>18095086
>literally cannot conceive of music outside context of sex or dance
are you being serious

>>18092436
> t. hasn't read any japanese literature ever.

>>18092318
Do any white women get bullfucked in this one?

>>18094979
>just highly sexualized dance music made for mass consumption
of course music trends deviate from a previous form of music trend.
>as art music it fails
what are you comparing it to? orchestra? two completely different mediums.
>pop
pop is always superseded by newer forms of music
>its popularization was responsible for widespread culture decline all around the world
how? because everyone wanted to take their spin on jazz? thats how all global trends develop.

>>18095121
Yes actually lmao. He cucks one of the people in the commie group hes part of

>>18094607

>gay literature

Brett Easton Ellis talked about this in an interview I watched. It was one of the (pardon me) novelbreasons he was conflicted about coming out of the closet. Rather than rightish bigotry, he resented the leftist inclusionary head patting that he felt would have seen his works filed in the Gay Literature section as a participation trophy rather than being critiqued on its and his own individual merit as a writer.

>>18095086
I’m talking about a form of music that was explicitly designed to help facilitate activities in red light districts.
>>18095095
The vast majority of people are only exposed to the forms of pop music that were created in the last century. They have no idea that music could exist for any other purpose.

Political repression, racism, and feeling/being invisible to people are topics that all humanity has some connection to and apply to more than black people though. Unless you're a brainlet only capable of reading things in their most literal sense, there is human truth you can relate to regardless of race

>>18094979
This is the most retarded take on the internet, congrats

>>18095229
Please tell me how the musical complexity of jazz negates anything I said. I know that’s how you’re going to defend it.

>>18093217
imagine thinking this about NIGGERS of all people

>>18095252
everything you said is technically true, but it doesnt take away anything from jazz.
you are literally a retard if you actually thought you deboonked jazz by stating negligible and generalized factoids about the nature of music trends

>>18095287
I named specific trends in music that distinguished jazz from other genres and described them as monstrous and harmful. Jazz is impressive much in the way that things like WWI and the atomic bomb are, but that doesn’t make any of them good.

>>18094979
Pretty close, but I disagree on some things

>>18095287
Not him. But the discussion on jazz in academia seems very vapid and shallow, akin to people arguing who are the semantics of communist/Marxist literature: less discussion on actual substance and more on vapid definitions and interpretations.

>>18095325
>But the discussion on jazz in academia seems very vapid and shallow,
It either amounts to a sort of formalism or a celebration of it for being “emancipatory.” I think the issue is that it isn’t a relevant enough cultural force today for the people who would more critical of it to even bother.

>>18095318
well i think to you it is a matter of opinion now.
>>18095325
it is a shame too, there is so much talent, substance, and history to jazz as both a trend as an artform. most will never scratch the surface unless you grew up with it or started playing.

>>18092318
Most jazz doesn't even have lyrics and some of the best jazz musicians ar black

probably because crackers try their hardest to keep racism alive

>>18094632
The political elite is afraid of populism and wants to maintain the status quo. They don't see minorities as a threat because they're elitist and look down on them (cultural differences are a novelty for them and they don't give a fuck because their wealthy metropolitan base doesn't have to compete with them for working-class shit like decent wage jobs and homeownership); there's also a level of cynicism in that they think they need minority votes to maintain power in the future (hence pandering and empty symbolic gestures).

They'll label one riot as if it were a highly organized insurrection and another as a "mostly peaceful" protest. Alternative facts...fake news...Orwellian language isn't even called out as such anymore (it's literally doing what it's meant to do and slams shut the Overton window; the words serve as markers for supposed critical thinking).

The Left has made race-baiting the centerpiece of its political platform. All the Right can do is react to it and seem more and more racist as cultural shift causes that word to become meaningless.

Shit show all around.

Who knows. Maybe it's inevitable and getting ahold of race issues in an age of mass immigration will give us a leg up on the Chinese. Probably not though...we're too busy paying attention to the empowerment of wet ass pussies and sexual deviants unironically LARPing as such in public (forgetting that Pride use to be satire).

It's 2021 and it's almost borderline mainstream and accepted fact that niggers are barely human. People are waking up at a hilarious rate and no amount of indoctrination and revisionist history can change blatant truths. Even 5 years ago, having a thread that went this long and having so many people concur about "Fuckin niggers" would have been unthinkable.
Reality always wins. Every time.

>>18095620
>Even 5 years ago, having a thread that went this long and having so many people concur about "Fuckin niggers" would have been unthinkable
Man I've been on 4chan for 10 years and you're full of shit

>>18095620
>Even 5 years ago, having a thread that went this long and having so many people concur about "Fuckin niggers" would have been unthinkable.
Hello newfag

>>18095325
>But the discussion on jazz in academia seems very vapid and shallow
what specifically are you talking about, because anthony braxton only retired within the past decade so i don't think "academic jazz" has shifted that much

>>18092318
Oh look, the daily /pol/-tier race-bait thread is here.

>>18095620
I'm slowly starting to find racism distasteful again and I'm not sure why. It's like I desire so much to retreat from everyone that even investigating a human ethnicity to appraise it repulses me. I don't want to talk about IQ and populations and phenotypes because then I have to think about the teeming mass of limbs and faces that those concepts actually refer to and I want nothing to do with them. They are just a bunch of strangers and I feel increasingly offended that I should be forced to expend thought thinking about them, this includes people of my 'own race'.

>>18095740
>expend thought thinking
expend energy* thinking
see I am becoming frazzled just coming near the topic

>>18095325
>>18095683

Jazz fucking sucks. It's literally just noise with a few flourishes thrown in for the sake of showing off.

Getting all pretentious about it ("academic jazz") is icing on the cake. It's 90% loosely structured noise, 5% emotive flourishes, and 5% TOOT-ta-TOOT-tata-TOOTtataLOOT.

>>18095693
>topics that I am too afraid too talk about must be /pol/ topics
weak

>>18095750
Identity politics is meant to wear you down. It's the new default setting; the substitute for big ideas brought to you by the boomer elite LARPing as the Civil Rights activists they remember when they were kids.

>>18095620
>tfw been here 16 years and nigger has always been parroted edgy teens trying to impress one another by saying the "forbidden" word in an anonymous mongolian basket weaving forum

>>18095752
it takes a while to understand and appreciate jazz. you'll get there one day.

>>18095792
Mom would FREAK if she knew what I was getting up to on the dark web 4Chan!

>>18095752
>loosely structured noise
A baby's brain, a child's ears

>>18095785
Yeah but everything I believe pretty much is due to psyops by social groups and forces I can't even comprehend, there is no way 'out' of that by finding some new better critique of le society, it'll just be another psyop masquerading as reality. The remainder of my beliefs are due to actual mental illness, which is a nice respite from malicious conditioning I have to admit. As I get older I just believe fewer and fewer things, I am too autistic to fall for conspiracy theories so I just end up at 'well the earth could be either round or flat, I will decide once I get a plane and try to fly around it, and really I don't actually care either way'. Like I'm fairly sure it's round, but if tomorrow it came out that it was actually flat I'd just be like 'not surprising, they lie about everything', this how I approach pretty much every single subject in existence now. I am not even sure anymore if the world outside my city exists tbqh.

>>18095795
It takes a while to understand and appreciate football. That doesn't mean giving it an elitist air of pretension makes it any better or meaningful. Have fun with your liquored-up opium-addicted crackheads...REALNESS.

I own this book and haven't read it yet. Can somebody who's read it tell me if it's legitimately good or not? I admittedly bought it because out of the dozens of novels I own, 0 were written by blacks. Not because I feel like I have to for any PC reasons, but because from a literary perspective I am curious about different perspectives and variety in the art. Of course, quality is the number 1 importance to me, and since this book is so highly regarded I figured I'd give it a try

>>18095824

>A baby's brain, a child's ears
I get that's supposed to be an insult...but it's also the ending of The Emperor's New Clothes. (Remember the moral of that one?)

>>18095862
>everything I don't understand is le emperors new groove
Cope

>>18095869
>Refernces Disney after being dunked on
COPE

>>18095836
https://thoughtmaybe.com/cant-get-you-out-of-my-head/#top

Just watch some Adam Curtis and take solace in the fact that elites can't always stop the monkeys from running the zoo.

>>18095889
Not a cope but an illustration of the juvenile and uneducated mentality required to call jazz "slightly organized noise"

>>18095861
just start reading it you dumb fag

>>18095752
>It's literally just noise with a few flourishes thrown in for the sake of showing off.
this is actually all music, and it's likely your taste is pleb as fuck.

In most works the artist expresses his identity and his experiences in life in various forms. A loner writes about his lonely life. An academic writes about academia. An American writes about being retarded. A farmer writes about his life on the farm. It's one of the reasons why create art in the first place. We want to express our consciousness, which is influenced by how we perceive ourselves and our lives.
There are lots of different aspects that shape your identity, race is just one of them, but it can be the biggest one depending on your upbringing. When you're black in a predominantly white country, or white in a predominantly black country, your race is gonna effect you in lots of different ways, you cannot avoid it. It's gonna have an impact on your life. That's why most art created by african americans has to do with racism, african culture or slavery. It's part of who they are. White people don't write about being white because race is unimportant in their lives.

Or, to summarize in one sentence:
>Das Sein bestimmt das Bewusstsein

>>18095983
>an illustration of the juvenile and uneducated mentality required
You know that your purple prose does more for my argument that you're being pretentious than it does to invalidate my criticisms, right? (Being overly verbose is pretty common in the black community...they think tying together words is more important than getting their meaning across...kind of like jazz).

"I facilitated my musical learnedness toward the effect that, being in possession of an acute and trained external acoustic meatus, I am able to discern the TOOTs from the Aloots."

>>18095994
I only listen to WAP.

>>18096070
What about my prose was purple you fucking retard? The fact that I used a word with five syllables?

>>18096092
Seeth

>>18096110
Cope

>>18096114
GOOD ONE!

>>18095992
But it's near the bottom of the list of books I own that I'm going to read, you utter retard. Imagine getting mad at somebody asking if a book is good in a thread about a book, on a literature forum

>>18094307
>philosophy (where the greatest english contribution is 'why can't we just do math instead?')
Kek

>>18096157
Just read it. If you're reading lit to build empathy only you can decide if it serves that purpose or not. You're also going to have to read more than just that one book. Why not go on YouTube and stream some interviews with the writer before reading?

>>18095983
>>18096092
They said "loosely structured noise" and the longest word you used was 4 syllables. DESU I'm impressed a black guy trying to sound academic didn't say "so-called."

>Muh dick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGTuuj-aTJs

Selection bias. You've most likely read regular books by black people, but didn't even realize the author was black.
The only time anyone checks is if the book is about black oppression, hence the false impression that that's all they write.

>>18095443

I'm a second generation white American of French Canadian descent. The WASP paradigm is as alien to me as it is to a black American and I would consider American blacks to be more American than I myself am. The US has had 14% black population as long as it has been a nation, they have just as much a claim to being American as any Anglo or Scot or German. We all, as individuals, are divorced from the Old World paradigms. We're a fucking hemisphere of exiles and pioneers and abductees. It's what defines us. I wish we could just erect a god damn wall in the middle of the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans and just coexist. There's a national narrative here, the Civic Religion, that is a totally novel construction and if we'd just go back into buying into it, authentic Monroe-style (without the imperialism), we could just say fuck Europe and fuck Africa and fuck Asia and let the tribal, collectivist monkey mindset of the BC era pass us by. Humans animals but a species able to fight off the biological impulse of tribal violence, if we just have a good enough idea to invest ourselves in.

>>18096650
>There's a national narrative here, the Civic Religion, that is a totally novel construction and if we'd just go back into buying into it,
It was fatally wounded by the civil rights movement, which set up a goal of racial economic(and other) parity that will never be achieved, while centering existing disparities as the primary social evil.

>>18095752
I was the bashing jazz before you started posting, and even I think you’re dumb. Jazz is bad because of its well-structured foundations. Even something like free jazz is far from just random or loosely structured noise.

>>18092318
>Are blacks able to create any art that ISN'T about themselves
yes
you just look at the ones about race for some reason
jazz:
music without words
books:
completely dependent on which author you read
Paul Laurence Dunbar had books with no black people at all
plays/movies:
most mature movies try to take on serious events that adults experience for black people it makes sense that it involves race more
but if you just want to see black people in a movie with no race watch a kids movie like are we there yet or that one cinderella movie starring a black woman and an asian prince

>>bein black... is like bein invisiblen sheit. I's be "Dey Invisabo Mayn"
just read a different book that is not famous for dealing with race

>>18092318
Are whites able to create any art that ISN'T about themselves? Or, at their most abstract, their condition of being white?

country:
>lemme tell yall bout my struggle n sheit. came from a small town and worked onna farm
books:
>lemme tells you bout bein white. my grandaddies fought on both sides of the civil war and sheit. das CRAZY
plays/movies:
>im PROUD my pappy worked in the coal mines, now imma work in the coal mines too

>>18096650
>Humans animals but a species able to fight off the biological impulse of tribal violence, if we just have a good enough idea to invest ourselves in.
so much this, we should just all sublimate our selfish desires into our office jobs and funko pop collecting. i fucking love science!

>>18096689
>Calls jazz "loosely structured noise" (i.e. a denigration of a genre that's defined by improvisation)
>Makes fun of people who take it too seriously and get offended when it's called out; the idea that they lean on pretension to justify their taste.

"Jazz is bad because of its well-structured foundations. Even something like free jazz is far from just random or loosely structured noise."

Thank you for taking the bait and proving my point.

>>18093291

>>18096803

>>18096803
To be fair, it's hard for a race to not make something about itself when they're behind the Enlightenment, the Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and 95% of philosophical movements going back the last 300+ years.

They still manage to do it though (pic).

>>18096970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORBBap-m0tY

>>18092318
You might be the obsessive obessive, or even fucking stupid one not understanding or appreciating it beyond how the main character looks.

>>18093217
t. black jew

>>18093217
Look at Africa nigger and thank the whites they took mercy on you and bought you from the nigger warlord who owned your ancestor.

t. Puerto Rican bvll aka the new white man

>>18093633
>uh yeah
Beta
>it already happened
No we mean put them all in ONE location where they can do whatever they want away from humanity. Right now they are spread out everywhere. God I want to crush you’re skull

>>18094115
Explain why your race is violent and stupid however you want Tyrone lol... it’s good you spend time doing this and not you know, trying to educate your people l

>>18092318
The saying is “write what you know”. Ellison and Wright were two great writers who happened to be black. They gave a more nuanced take on racial relations than anything today

>>18097634
>They gave a more nuanced take on racial relations than anything today
Did you actually read the book? The whole thing reads like a fever dream.

>>18092379
I understand what you're attempting to say, but if I might dare pose a counterpoint - fuck niggers.

>>18097543
>Puerto Rican
>bvll
Quit larping, island is American property because it served some purpose that is no longer relevant. Split off and actually accomplish something and maybe you'll be a bull.

>>18093621
based
>>18093815
kys nigger

>>18097806
Chun-Li did it first

>>18093217

Such a vibrant culture.

https://youtu.be/o11PdYYfPLc?t=109

>>18093297
or even more mainstream, Things Fall Apart, Chinua Achebe.

>>18094252
why do these counterexamples have so few (you)s? why do people not allow themselves to be exposed to contrary opinions? how else can the mind possibly grow?

>>18097838
But dey worked for it!

>rap
“Backpedaling christians settling for forgiveness
Evidence all around us the town is covered in fishes
Ocean water dried out, fire burning more tires out
Tabernacle and city capital turned inside out
Public bathroom, college classroom's been deserted
Another trumpet has sounded off and everyone heard it” -Kendrick Lamar
+ MF DOOM, Wu-Tang, Dr. Octagon, Deltron 3030, Death Grips
>books
The Palm-Wine Drinkard
Aké: Years of Childhood (about the author, but not necessarily about black people)
>movies/tv
25th Hour
Us
Patrice O’Neal’s standup

I think you have a biased view of black people. I assume you’re from the U.S. and associate them with poverty and identity politics. When was the last time you even had a conversation with someone who was black?

>>18097897

>>18092318
If you’re black and try being race blind it becomes the elephant in the room, and eventually others start pointing it out outright or become subtly uncomfortable

Writing requires self-awareness. Self-aware blacks know their race plays a role in everything. Of course they’re going to write about being black. If you want race blind material written by Africans look into Africa

>>18097838
You mean Mickey Mouse

>>18097682
That’s called style. Any writer worth his salt has one.

>>18098027
Everyone knows that Afro Buns were invented by Iffinika Ungabobo, consort of Cheif No'eki Embalopa.

Interesting fact: One of their descendants revolutionized the peanut.