/lit/ - Literature

>>18035159
>Will they find a way to believe in a beautiful world?
Sounds like an anime desu

Omg so #relatable

That is way too many words for such a dull premise but great literature has certainly come from less.

>>18035159
SEXO SEXO SEXO

>>18035159
sex

>>18035159
>They have sex
wow just like me

>>18035159
>They have sex
I'll give this one a miss.

>>18035159
>this is the actual synopsis

>>18035159
is this supposed to be relatable?

It's either going to be her magnum opus or her "emperor has no clothes' moment when all the lib press gets tired of her schtick. Nothing in between.

>books about the empty lives of neo-yuppies
Is she at least funny? That's usually what books about these types of people and their historical equivalents (think Jane Austen) need to be redeemable.

>>18035159
>>Alice, a novelist,

>>18036726

You forgot

> who works in a warehouse

because this is the fantasy her other book was all about

I will read this just for the sex scenes

>>18035159
>Are they standing in the last lighted room before the darkness
Reactionary bullshit. The future is nothing but the blinding light of utopia based on the scientific principles of Marxism.

>>18037497
holy based and anti bourgeois pilled. all they have is physical pleasure to

>>18037540
fill the void of existence

last man shit

Never read her books before. Is her prose impressive or something. I don't get how you could get away with such a simplistic premise unless the presentation is sublime

>>18037606
it's impressive to those who have only read contemporary ya.

>>18035159
Woah, it's just like my life! Except I just work in a warehouse and delude myself. But its close. So relatable.

>>18037464
#metoo

>>18036162
lol

>>18037643
>tfw i got an oscar
>tfw a bunch of old guys saw me naked and fondled me

>>18035159
>Alice, a novelist
Gave up right there. Almost always hate when the main character is a writer, Richard Brautigan is one of the only ones who have pulled it off. It almost always ends up being writing about what you know taken way too far.

>>18037777
quads don't lie

>>18037785
They almost always don't lie and I almost always use almost always way too much, almost always.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ6A6GC_ki4
ANGLO LITERATURE BTFO

>>18037497
*Merxism

>>18037777
Yeah, seems like those Creative Writers MFA faggots can only write about themselves and cannot fathom an experience other than their own. It is truly pathetic. So much of today's "literary fiction" is this circle jerk of people who can't leave their own world for a second.

I bet this dogshit starts off in New York City. For the past ten years I haven't read a single novel past the year 2000 written by anyone other than Cormac McCarthy or Kazuo Ishiguro and my life feels so much richer for it.

>>18036656
No, her work is completely devoid of her humour. Not a single yuk.

Has there ever been a woman author that didn't write about what it's like to be female or female fantasies?

Like a novel about something other than female experiences? It's always revolving around themselves.

>>18037606
>Is her prose impressive

Nothing that is published today has impressive prose, adjectives and adverbs are being genocided.

>>18039260
I think it can happen
In Donna Tart's Secret History the main character is a boy for example, and I have a book about the Aztecs by a woman named Inga
Women do come up in both, but they are by no means the sole focus

>>18037464
>t. Sally Rooney, naked and masturbating in her bed, thinking about anon

>>18039301
I wish

>>18039015
Nah, dude, won't be new york. Anyway, if you dig Ishiguro you should go for Julian Barnes.

>>18039316
What an ugly woman. That birthmark, positioned very centrally, absolute cherry on top. Delicious.

>el leprechaunina

bump

>They have sex

They what now?

>>18039260
To be fair that's also the case with most men, it's just obvious that one is going to write about his own experiences, on which their gender plays a big role. That being said, there are female writers like Margueritre Yourcenar that fits your description.

>>18037606
ive read normal people. it's standard contemporary MFA realism. there are standout sentences here and there but it's not really much to write home about. the bar for good literature, especially from ireland, is real fucking high and she does not clear it.
>>18039337
she's cute you absolute faggot

>>18038599
is that a jab at a Dobblin accent?

>she's cute you absolute faggot

>>18035159
I know maybe three people who could relate to this. I suppose this is meant for them, not for the average person with a completely ordinary life.

>>18042628
a bad photo with bad lighting and angles doesn't make a bitch an uggo.

>>18035159
Dont like her or her stories but shes got really nice titles

>>18042763
>the sun is bad lighting

>>18043763
kek

>>18043763
lmao

>>18042763
she's ugly. deal with it

>>18039337
I'm sure you're a real catch anon

>>18043903
cope

>>18043763

>character A is having SEX with character B and is also having SEX with character C, will B find out about the SEX with C? B is also having SEX with character D which complicates things further. Will the SEX turn out to be more than SEX?

Why are women writers all like this?

>>18035159
Why are these premises always so realistic?

I mean, it's so boring. My life is already this banal dumb drab muddle, except more interesting.

>>18045149
At some point literature turned into mumblecore indie film scripts.

>>18042552
>To be fair that's also the case with most men

It really isn't. Men write Sci-fi, Fantasy, Crime etc. Something that isn't about their shitty day to day lives.

>>18039316
How big is her neck, exactly?

Wow I sure love having sex you guys.

>>18045678
>Men write Sci-fi, Fantasy, Crime etc.
Well you aren't given men the best credit.

>>18037777
To be fair, most of the time Brautigan writes about being a writer the main focus isn't being a writer so much as being a weeb or pussyhungry.
Agatha Christie does a similar thing with her novelists: Marple's nephew is hopeless, and Ariadne Oliver is probably one of the greatest self satires of the 20th C. Plenty of female novelists have done a better job of being self aware than your standard "novelist writes a novel about a novelist". Spark is another who comes to mind. I doubt Rooney's on par.

>>18045982
Haha, yeah. Me too, who doesn't right?!

>>18045987
They also wrote the classics

Good enough?

>>18035159
Although all the Irish literary figures were mostly all faggot outsiders or faggot outsiders who were Anglo protestants the faggotry last man shit they've produced while going through total Americanisation since the 80s is fucking sad.

Much of contemporary auto-fiction (half-fictitious or not) seems to be utterly banal.

>>18046759
I doubt great literature can be written within the confines of an oppressive plebeian culture. The author *has* to step outside to some degree, to get some perspective. Yeats having been a republican protestant, Joyce rebelling against Ireland as a whole and fucking off to the continent etc.

>>18046759
>going through total Americanisation since the 80s is fucking sad.
Miring those two heads anon. Would it be a birth defect or what?

>>18035159

So basically the same exact kind of story as Normal People but with more characters because she needed an easy way to fill space
Rooney is a one trick pony
I saw this one coming a mile a way

>>18046980
Writers writing about writers is just the literary version of Hollywood making films about Hollywood, guaranteeing at least two or three Academy awards - it's perverse. At least Proust wrote about a complete dilettante and with unparalleled psychological depth.

>>18046895
I dunno why are you speaking English on an American anime site you ex Catholic untermensch.
Doesn't matter anyways since replacement by niggers and Indians and other genetic wastage is underway there.
I don't even care.

>>18047141
>I don't even care.
so desu ne anonbo?

>>18047153
Maybe the gay Indian prime minister will produce the next set of high literary vedic texts in Irish however other that the place is doomed.

>>18047160
>anon is stuck in a time warp where he learns about the world from out of date British tabloids
What did you do to deserve that?

>>18047180
>learns about the world from out of date British tabloids
To be fair, that's probably a good market for the book. Takes at least a few hours to get from tabloids and twitter to youtube.

>>18046819
The Irish elite has always been gay which can be observed with their priestly class diddling boys here and there and the bull dyke lesbian nuns throwing babies in mass graves, however it is now that elite culture mixed with Americanisation that is the plebeian culture. It is the faggot Tóibín who in the end was ascendant not the high modern optimism of Joyce or the romantic vision of Yeats.

>>18047180
I know that they have Michael Martin in there and it's a one party state coalition. However you know its really the Brahmin hindu who runs the show and does all the pr.

>>18047199
>it's a one party state coalition
they're two different parties and voters are very pissed off about their coalition. it's like having a tory-labour coalition
>>18047195
>Americanisation
the anons saying it's been americanized, i don't see it. i don't know if it's because you haven't been to ireland or you haven't been to america, or both, but i know frenchies who are more americanized

>>18035159
I don't know if you guys know this but this is the same plot of her previous 2 novels. She's written the same #relatable book three times now about young metrosexuals being gay retards

>>18039260
harry potter :^)

>>18047223
Ireland is a vassal state to the faggot American empire much like the rest of Europe. Saying that there are still some
Irish less americanised than some Parisian bitch whining about racism means nothing at all.
What so I guess Sinn Féin is radically against importing negroes into the countryside too and bending over to ZOG aligned capital and money power? All those 'voters' are retarded for believing that regime works for them in any way. Even the homo faggot in Kerry is clearly a q anon type 'make them believe part of the system is friendly to them' op.

Read Flann O'Brien and Chill instead of all that other shit.

>>18045678
>Something that isn't about their shitty day to day lives.
Those are the best books

>>18047273
Only if the author actually has something profound or insightful to say about it. Tame semi-autofiction about loose relationships is not it.

If I read one alt-lit woman what book?

>>18047310
>Reading women authors other than Shelly and Wolfe and a few other one trick pony poets
No. Just read Tao Lin I hear he's transitioned.

>>18047318
Stop spreading lies about Tao Lin

>>18047310
Donna Tarrt's Secret History

>Alice, a novelist, meets Felix, who works in a warehouse, and asks him if he’d like to travel to Rome with her.

This is not a believable premise.

>>18047375
Isn't that the 90s? In any case not alt-lit

>>18047367
Hi Mr Lin. Enjoying the Ted Kaczynski life?
I'll probably read your new book don't worry, fag

>>18047384
Rooney seems to have a thing for some sort of idealised high culture-low income man.

>>18047397
what's alt-lit?

>>18047405
So her readers can entertain the idea that they would totally get with the warehouse worker, when reality tells us he would be dismissed out of hand by a woman who is a novelist.

>>18047408
>being this new
Yeesh
>>18047405
Most Irish women want that high status signalling Engineer or computer scientist because the old culture was about status and how many cattle you had bantu style, its just transmogrified into a bourgeois form of that. She's internalised 'Marxism' so she has to pervert her sexual preferences to desiring lower status types of hominids.

>>18047310
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_literature
u r doomed to reading Megan Boyle apparently

These modern relationship stories always have an air of nihilism looming over them, even when they involve some half-baked spiritualism nonsense.

>>18047751
Rob Doyle is more honest about this as another ex Irish Catholic writer.
Typical woman Rooney is a creature of consensus, she identifies fully with the gay 21st century urbanite class and its ascendant time and place in the history of the last man and his overcoming by a great man a Cyrus of the North or escape to Mars where they will form gills to breath on the harsh surface, becoming a higher form of human themselves.

>>18047646

> is characterized by self-publication, self-promotion, and the maintenance of a presence on social media

For real? Burgerpunk had more than this.

>>18047245
i don't think you've been to ireland. what you're saying to me is like saying the american republican party is an islamic fundamentalist group for the promotion of mexican culture. there are so many fundamental misunderstandings here that i think you misunderstood flann o'brien too, unless you're trying to portray yourself as divney, in which case, whatever gets you off i guess?

>>18047826

>>18047829
I think the term alt-lit was made up to be a thing, but it's rather a process going on in the book industry. New Sincerity is a non-movement desu. it just describes the tendency to write semi-autobiography novels, something that has been around for about 400 years or more. it's like indie music, but with even less of definite boundaries.

>>18047875
Right, I think they've mostly dropped the term New Sincerity for Autofiction in the newspapers now, but it's none of it so different to past forms of "unfiltered" writing. I think at least for indie rock there was a tangible difference so long as it was broadly lo-fi and had a distinct frame of reference (unpopular post-punk bands).

To follow the analogy, Rooney = R.E.M. Starts as an indie (zine editress) but was always aiming to be a big mainstream hit, so her fundamental style isn't so alternative.

>>18047875
>>18047913
>>18047431
what's the best alt-lit?

>>18047849
Flann O'Brien was a civil servant before your government turned over to illiterate brain mush.
Your government is gay and retarded, same as the republicans you probably think are fascist or something.
Retard

>>18035159
Sounds like it could actually be a good novel. But I just can’t relate to it. I’m not on that precipice of doubting the beautiful world myself, I’m well beyond it. It would just make me sad and self-loathing to read such a novel.

>>18048311
megan boyle's liveblog

>>18048335
i don't think that mentioning flann o'brien's day job is quite the rebuttal you thought it was.

>>18048350
>Sounds like it could actually be a good novel.
Does it really? The whole premise sounds embarrassingly banal, like the fanciful navel-gazing of a complete mediocrity, complete with some of that author-writing-about-an-author egotism.

>>18048572
The whole civil service up until the seventies was a relatively Liberal but extremely erudite cadre of people which has been covered up it seems. Who works there now is the question. Other than that I make no other point here concerning O'Brien.

>>18047273
Do you think SHITTY day to day lives are interesting? Do you comprehend English?

The first time I read Sally Rooney's Normal People, I got halfway through the novel before becoming entirely indifferent to it. I threw the book into the corner of the sitting room and told my sister she could have it. Years later, when the televised rendition was being trumpeted, and my female friends were harking on about it, I read it in full and could still see no outstanding quality in it. All I could see was a middling love story tailored to millennials with flimsy references to class. I presume its popularity is predicated on the female penchant for chic lit, the huge female novel-buying readership and the marketing of the television series.

I liked her short story 'Even if you beat me'.


>>18047245
Dead fucking right. I am so fucking disillusioned with Ireland right now. When Irishness declines to a network of references made up of Anglicisms, Americanisms (which are by and large the same thing to me) Father Ted and Simpsons memes, and is delicately predicated on a slightly eccentric way of speaking English, the clarity of the failure of our independence movement becomes blinding. This climate makes me want to let myself go to the devil....to a place where I can deteriorate pleasantly amid poppy sunsets and lavender nights; where I can forget I ever was an Irishman.

>>18048888
>until the seventies was a relatively Liberal but extremely erudite cadre of people which
>seventies
>people
This is either a subtle marriage act gibe which is irrelevant, or just vacuous and irrelevant. Flann O'Brien spent a lot of time mocking the civil service in print: the 'in print' part is the relevant part for this board. Everyone in the service who stuck to the publication bans is formally a nonentity.

>>18045533
It’s after TV got big

>>18048311
No such thing

>>18035159
BOOBA BOOBA BOOBA!

>>18050413
Oh sweet anon, they all knew he was publishing the smut, he just got called out when he attacked the wrong guy because he was another drunken fool like Behan. Behan's work fucking sucks tho.
>>18050331
That Simpsons memes and father jew stuff sucks.
The only way to rejig history to allow for creating a real ethnogenesis in Ireland would be to call the old postcolonial regime an asset of the British Empire. Nothing else would hammer the failure home.

>>18050526
You got called out about bringing up the civil service, and now you want to accuse the service you formerly called liberal and erudite of cronyism? The fact you also want to call Behan and O'Brien drunken fools also makes me think your opinion changes with the tide.

>>18050634
Oh no oh no call a priest call a priest I can't think for myself!!!
Even in Spain the bores are Catholic I hear

>>18046019
Why it works with Brautigan is that the character being a writer is completely unimportant. It seems to be mostly a reaction to fame, many people stopped seeing him as a person, they saw him as better then average. Really he is just saying that writers are people too, just as sad and pathetic as everyone else.

>>18050655
Do you honestly think this is recovering some ground in a literary argument? I'm tempted to believe you have zero interest in anything but pontificating about things you are unfamiliar with and hoping this is /pol/. It isn't.

>>18050755
Argument is just untertaken for the sole reason of giving the audience a good show. The kind you seem to be referencing is the 2008 nu atheism meme non arisrotelian kind which I don't care about at all.
What am I trying to convince you of, I believe it was that Ireland is little America? Go outside and see a George Floyd face graffitied on every street corner and programs on RTÉ about negro GAA players.
Maybe you have no problem with that because you're just another American empire Lib but it is in fact a total embarrassment.
Come to terms with your dead culture or try to pick it up in some form anew like they did after the Norman invasion.
It's been fun, Anon.

>>18050331
Sally Rooney is /lit/'s guilty pleasure. Not even a good Joyce thread gardners this many replies.

>>18051034
Good threads rarely get many replies, they are short and to the point and generally quickly fall into a discussion between a couple anons and the thread dies when they are done.

>>18051034
No.

>>18039260
Lian Hearn. It's ninja weebshit that's actually pretty cool.