/lit/ - Literature

Who gives a fuck?

>>17959070
source on the bottom right image?

>>17959070
WOAH THE TOP RIGHT IMAGE TOTALLY ISN'T PHOTO SHOPPED
GOOD THING OP PROVIDED A LINK TO THE VIDEO AND A TIMESTAMP FOR WHEN THAT IMAGE APPEARS

>giving a shit about an "adult" "male" who calls himself Pewdiepie

This is a literature board.

Okay, this is epic

please leave your ugly gf and let me suck your toes pewdie

>>17959100
>Make a post about a celebrity browsing /lit/
>NOoooooO, you can't post about /lit/ on /lit!!
You mad?

Would explain why the Islamposters arent capable of having a real conversation.

kek >>17958537

>>17959070
As long as he doesn't become, may Allah curse them eternally, a tripfag; more power to him.

I unironically blame the current awful quality of /lit/ on this guy attracting zoomers.

>>17959070
I hope he didn't blindly follow sunnism.

>>17959070
>tfw i have probably had convos with pewds

strange feel.

>>17959093
apparently he edited it out

>>17959070
I don’t have any dog in this fight but it’s strange to me that Westerners who are interested in Islam don’t explore Orthodox Christianity first. It seems like they just do whatever Guenon or Evola did and don’t even think about it, which is kind of ironic.

>>17959070
When will he crack? I need pewds in a cage and knee sick bros.

>>17959143
I hate what he did to Yukio Mishima. It was better when only people in Japanese literature and East Asian studies departments knew about him.

>>17959169
I mean. Islam has all things Orthodox Christianity has but better.

>>17959166
>apparently he edited it out
how convenient

>>17959070
As much as I'd have liked that to be true, just look at the picture closely. The reflection on the mirror should be inverted of the original from the buttom, but it's not inverted. It's edited and the editor didn't do a good job.

>>17959172
Kneesocks*

>>17959169
no thanks we dont need more 4chan larpers

>>17959070
what the fuck

i want him to go back
>>>/pol/

>>17959169
They're just social authoritarians who think Islam is the best means for having society bend to their whims. They wouldn't be interested in any sort of western culture because culture is meaningless to them. All they want is a restrictive society.

>>17959124
>celebrity

>>17959179
Literally what and how
>>17959169
The average Westerner unironically knows way more about Islam than Orthodoxy. To most, it's just a footnote, assuming they even know what it is. And it being Christian makes it both too esoteric and not exotic enough for failed Protestants to look into

>>17959396
Islam seems to be the only form of social authoritarianism that is acceptable in polite society, so you can't be surprised that people with authoritarian tendencies would gravitate towards it.

>>17959070
Pewdiepie more like Pseudiepie, aha haha lol

>>17959070
I'm gonna plow him till he nuts enough to fill a saucer, then have him lap it up like while wearing his cat ear headphones.

>>17959070
>Convert to Orthodox Christianity pls.
AHAHAHAHA. god damn you are retard beyond belief(sic)

Salafi Pewdiepie when?

tradzoom to musloom pipeline

It's known since 2019 retards

>>17959666

>>17959540
What does that have to do with it being "Orthodoxy but better?"

Hey pewds I know you're reading this. In all honesty please don't come here. Also check out Leonid Andreyev.

>>17959375
>All they want is a restrictive society.
That's totally reasonable.

>>17959540
>>17959396
Although Orthodox Christianity is the most traditional form of Christianity, Islam still prevails in tradition. It's also more simple (1 Quran, 1 God instead of multiple Bibles and multiple Gods. You can only have access to Orthodox Christianity when in Armenia, Georgia, Syria or Russia, while Islam is prominent in most countries. Looking from a statistical and cultural perspective, Islam will survive longer than Christianity, while Christianity will have its inevitable fall (which already fell in protestantism and catholicism)

this is the kind of poster that pewdiepie brought to /lit/
>>17958756

Gonna nut
In his butt
Make him my Pewdy slut

>>17959829
Maybe but they want it as an end rather than a means of producing something greater. It's like planting a fruit bearing trees to admire how it looks.

>>17959763
Being socially acceptable makes it the better option for people who are just looking to achieve a goal.

>>17959070
He's Swedish, he should have already.

>>17959833
What are you on about, Orthos have one God and one Bible. We literally worship the same God.

>>17959345
But the Islam posters aren’t LARPs...?

Make him drink
All my cum
After I syphon it out his bum

>>17959833
All of this is just patently false

>>17959904
cope

>>17959114
>>17959172
>>17959557
>>17959847
uhm wft??

>>17959913
it's called a coomer

>>17959890
Muslims treat trintarianism as polytheism. It gets weird when you ask them to explain themselves.

>>17959912
I literally don't understand why modern people have such an aversion to Paul, not even first century heretics had a problem with him

>>17959927
He was mean to gays.

>>17959070

Where's the video the top right picture is from?

>>17959936
kek

>>17959833
The Islamic god's simplicity is what I have always found kind of puzzling. He's less compassionate towards man than than the Christian god, and he lacks the metaphysical depth found among vedic deities. I really don't understand the appeal. When compared to other conceptions of god he becomes nothing other than a someone who condemns people to eternal suffering for eating pork.

>>17959169
>I don't understand why people doing larperino don't even think in my specific tradperino larperino!!

>>17959084
youtube.com/watch?v=FtqSIMP-TF0

>>17959396
>And it being Christian makes it both too esoteric and not exotic enough for failed Protestants to look into
But only failed anglo Protestants look into orthodoxy, what are you talking about?

>>17959927
"To be fair, you have to have a pretty high IQ to understand Paul."
2 Peter 3:16, paraphrased

>>17960016
The Islamic God is more like a force of nature, he doesn't have a self.

Yes, Islam is retarded, but what else do you expect from a cult designed by its incel founder for raping pussy?

>>17959070
Imagine if pewdiepie is actually susceptible to muslim propaganda.

Hey Guys!! It's PewDiePie here! Ask me anything and as always stay /litty/

>>17960077
>The Islamic God is more like a force of nature, he doesn't have a self
Don't some Muslims (Salafista if I remember correctly) specifically believe that he has a throne in heaven on which he sits?

>>17960091
fuck off dwaynetty

>>17960074
If that's true explain this

>>17960016
I wouldn't say it's particularly simple. It's more like you haven't looked into its depth. This is what Ali says about Allah:

>Ali said, "Praise belongs to God, whose laudation is not rendered by speakers,28 whose bounties are not counted by reckoners,29 and whose rightfully due (haqq) is not discharged by those who strive. Grand aspirations perceive Him not and deep-diving perspicacities reach Him not. His attributes (sifah) possess no determined limits (hadd mahdud), no existing description (na't mawjud), no fixed time (waqt madud) and no extended term (ajal mamdud). He originates the creatures by His power,30 looses the winds by His mercy,31 and fastens the shaking of His earth with boulders."32"The first step in religion is knowledge (marifah) of Him. The perfection of knowledge of Him is to confirm Him (tasdiq). The perfection of confirming Him is to profess His unity (tawhid). The perfection of professing His Unity is sincerity (ikhlas) towards Him.33 And the perfection of sincerity towards Him is to negate attributes (nafy al-sifat) from Him, because of the testimony of every attribute that it is not that which possesses the attribute (al-mawsuf) and the testimony of everything that possesses attributes that it is not the attribute."

>"So whoso describes God-glory be to Him-has given Him a comrade (i.e. the description). Whoso gives Him a comrade has declared Him to be two (tathniyah). Whoso declares Him to be two has divided Him. Whoso divides Him is ignorant of Him. (Whoso is ignorant of Him points to Him).34 Whoso points to Him has delimited Him. Whoso delimits Him has numbered Him. Whoso says, 'In what is He ?', has enclosed Him. Whoso says, 'On what is He ?', has excluded Him (from certain things)." "He is a being (ka'in) not as the result of temporal origin (hadath), an existent (mawjud) not (having come) from nonexistence (adam). He is with everything, not through association (muqaranah); and He is other than everything, not through separation (muzayalah). He is active (fa'il), not in the sense of possessing movement and instruments. He was seeing when there was none of His creatures to be observed by Him. He was 'alone' (mutawahhid) when there was none with whom to be intimate and at whose loss to feel lonely." "He originated creation and gave to it its beginning without employing deliberation, profiting from experience, occasioning movement (harakah, i.e. in Himself), or being disrupted by the cares of the soul (hamamah nafs). He delays things to their times,35 mends their discrepancies, implants (in them) their natural dispositions, and makes these (dispositions) adhere to their objects. He has knowledge of them before their beginning, encompasses their limits (hudud) and their end (intiha') and knows their relationships (qara'in) and aspects (ahna').

>>17960133
>dude explain this sociohistorical phenomenon that spans over multiple continents and centuries for me in a single post on 4channel

>>17960133
Separate question to understanding Paul. Europe apostatized and is dying because of it.Sub-Saharan Africa is fertile ground for conversion because they're pagan rather than apostate. Nobody on that graph understands Paul.

>>17959070
Edward Dutton is mandatory reading for such people.

>>17960199
Inadequate. I accept your concession.

Caring about a pseudo-celebrity is the ultimate cuckoldry

>>17959925
>Muslims treat trintarianism as polytheism. It gets weird when you ask them to explain themselves.
You literally worship a man. No matter the mental gymnastics you try to perform, you literally and unironically worship a man, then get offended when we point out that is idolatry.
>>17960016
>someone who doesn't know the basics of Tawheed
To claim that the Islamic conception of God is "less compassionate" than the Christian one shows your ignorance. We believe God forgives anyone who sincerely repents to Him, no matter their crime. You believe He would never forgive a single sin, except by the spilling of blood. You can hide behind God "loving us so much He sacrificed Himself to forgive us", but the fact remains that your conception of God does not forgive sin - He demands blood sacrifice to pay for sin.

>>17960216
That's the core of it. If you want to know more, ask >>>/his/

>>17960244
I post on his and btfo christcucks on the daily.

>>17960234
>you literally and unironically worship a man,
who is also God

>>17959925
Polytheism = shirk = associating partners with Allah (God, creator deity)
Do christian associate partners with God (the "Father")? Yes

>>17960234
>you literally worship a man
We worship God

>>17959070
>dumb youtuber that thinks too highly of himself visits one of the worst boards full of of idiots that think too highly of themselves
Checks out.

>>17960258
If Jesus is God why is the "Father greater than [him]" (John 14:28)?

>>17960095
Yeah, they tend to take everything extremely literally even though the Quran says some verses are allegorical and taking them literally misleads you. These people give Islam a bad name.

>>17960264
>begging the question

>>17960077
Muhammad was a based schizo volcel and never raped anybody.

If you unironicly care about pewdiepie and you're above the age of 16 you should kys

>>17960258
>>17960265
kek, you just prove my point.
>b-but the man we worship is also God!
As I said, you are polytheists. You can perform mental gymnastics as much as you want, but Muslims and Jews are in agreement about this fact: trinitarian belief is polytheistic idol worship at its core. No prophet, from Noah and Abraham, to David and Moses, ever held the belief that God was a man, or a triune being. Tawheed is a simple and pure concept - God is One, has always been One, and is forever One.
>>17960284
The Athari creed is part of AhlusSunnah, and even if you don't follow it, you ought to respect it as a legitimate and acceptable reading of the texts.

>>17960314
>you ought to respect it
It is false and contrary to the Quran. What is there to respect?

>>17960308
>muh logical fellatios
Not an argument, now answer the question.

>>17960324
It is not in any way contrary to the Quran. In fact, the texts are more in line with the Athari creed than the Ash'ari/Maturidi creed. Both the Quran and multiple ahadeeth show indicate that Allah is established above the throne, in a manner that fits His majesty.

Not surprised

Pewdiepie you're a faggot

>>17960353
Quran 3:7 :
>He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

And as Ali says here: >>17960177 Allah cannot be described. Those descriptions are allegorical and aim to help us understand metaphysical truths which could not be described in any way other than allegorical. The ayah above clearly says they should not be interpreted literally or otherwise, as no one but Allah knows their interpretation.

>>17959070
>NOOOOO PEWDIEPIE PLS BE ON MY TEAM!!!
words cannot properly convey my disgust

>>17959169
There is interest in orthodoxy too, but it seems like people join because of politics more than because they want to be saved. Like the western buddhist who don't really want to be enlightened.

>>17960258
>>17959925
A God that gives itself two natures and then one of the natures (the human nature, Jesus) referring to the other nature, and having limited knowledge compared to other nature (when Jesus claimed he didn't know the answer, but God did, when asked about the Last Hour) - despite, supposedly, being the same entity - feels like polytheism to me.

>>17960439
The more, the merrier.

>>17960425
Akhi, with respect, you're talking nonsense. You have taken a verse of the Quran, applied your own understanding to it, and started to make your own tafseer of other verses based on YOUR understanding of this verse. Who told you that the verse you quoted is speaking about the siffat of Allah? Who tells you which verses of the Quran are allegorical, and which are literal? When Allah says He has Sight, is that literal or metaphor? When Allah says He has Hearing, is it literal or metaphorical? When He says He has Speech? When He says He is closer to us than our veins, is it literal? When He says He is above the throne, is that metaphor? When He says He is above the heavens? When He says the believers will see him in Jannah? When He mentions His Hand? All of this is questions that have to do with aqeedah, and there are three understandings that are acceptable readings of these texts that millions of Muslims subscribe to - they are the Ash'ari, Maturidi, and Athari creeds. All three have a long history, with evidences in the Quran and the sunnah, and they are supported by giants in the field of scholarship in our age and the past. It is fair enough if you do not follow the Athari creed, but to disregard it as something baseless only shows your ignorance of aqeedah.

Before you start, I want to let you k ow that I am not a christian and am not claiming Christianity to be true but criticizing the theological claims of Islam. Any attempt at trying to make me argue that Christianity is true os changing the conversation.
>>17960234
>You literally worship a man. No matter the mental gymnastics you try to perform, you literally and unironically worship a man, then get offended when we point out that is idolatry
Any consistent conception of omnipotence allows for such a thing. It's not idolatry to worship a man if that man is god.
To say this is impossible while still believing in god makes yours almost arbitrary. This is precisely why Islamic "spiritually" is so transactional in nature
The relationship a Muslim to his god is more like that of man to the state than That of man to an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent being.
> To claim that the Islamic conception of God is "less compassionate" than the Christian one shows your ignorance. We believe God forgives anyone who sincerely repents to Him, no matter their crime. You believe He would never forgive a single sin, except by the spilling of blood. You can hide behind God "loving us so much He sacrificed Himself to forgive us", but the fact remains that your conception of God does not forgive sin - He demands blood sacrifice to pay for sin.
Any Christian will say their god does the same in probably much the same way. That last sentence is rather telling about the way Muslims engage with other faiths. They know the claims made by their faith and repeat rather than trying to understand those and refute them.That blood sacrifice is markedly different from any sacrifice done by man. Second it's not only the sacrifice, but the entire Christian conception of Christ does so. A god who goes to the whole of man directly rather through a prophet shows greater compassion that one who does. A God willing to debase himself by taking the form is more compassionate than one who doesn't. One who is willing to endure the worst suffering and degradation from his creation and still forgive afterwards is more compassionate than one who doesn't.
The Christian god did this. The Christian god inspires his followers with markers of true divinity. You lavish your god with spiritual favors and he gives you good treatment,and if you eat pork and do not beg him for forgiveness, hell make you suffer. Some compassion that is.

Delete this faggot

>>17960461
A truly omnipotent being is capable of doing all that. If your god cannot do those things things, is there a power preventing him. If that is the case, is that god's god.

>>17960490
>You have taken a verse of the Quran, applied your own understanding to it, and started to make your own tafseer of other verses based on YOUR understanding of this verse.
It is not merely my understanding. It is the understanding of Allameh Tabataba'i, one of the most prominent Shia clerics. Allah is not situated in space or time, He is not a physical being, he is, so to speak, outside of matter. So no, he doesn't literally sit on a throne. As for what determines which verses are allegorical, this is done in tafsirs, with the help of ahadith from the 12 Imams. You say there are only three creeds acceptable for Muslims, and they are the three Sunni creeds, disregarding the Shia.

>>17960519
So an omnipotent being is capable of limiting his knowledge of his human nature and therefore limiting him to a simple man and other entity? For what purpose? Why didn't he give his human nature the same divine knowledge? If Jesus doesn't have the divine knowledge of God, he can not be God.

>>17960051
If you don’t see how Christianity is less of a LARP and more authentically Western and obvious than Islam, then I’m afraid you’re not salvageable and I have nothing more to say.

>>17960533
Your concession is accepted christcuck, now go dilate.

>>17960492
The hypocrisy in this post is astonishing. >>17960492
>Any consistent conception of omnipotence allows for such a thing. It's not idolatry to worship a man if that man is god.
I did not say God is unable to become a man, I said worshipping a man is by definition polytheistic idol worship. If you believe the Hindus are polytheists for believing in gods who take the forms of avatars and men, then this is no different. If you believe the Hindus to be monotheists for claiming all their gods are different incarnations of the same Creator-god, then your idea of monotheism is different from that taught by the followers of Abraham - Jews and Muslims.
>>17960492
>A God willing to debase himself by taking the form is more compassionate than one who doesn't. One who is willing to endure the worst suffering and degradation from his creation and still forgive afterwards is more compassionate than one who doesn't.
This is why many Muslims find Christian theology to be perverse. First off, the Biblical Jesus did not endure "the worst suffering and degradation from his creation". There are millions of children living today who suffer worse torture than what Jesus supposedly did, and who will die worse deaths, with no promise of resurrection. The supposed sacrifice of Jesus has no emotional weight behind it, because if he was supposed to be God, he put himself in that position in every conceivable way - he created humanity to sin, knowing he could never forgive them except by this act, and he was in complete control from the dawn of time to change this course, but chose not to. How in the world do you expect me to feel bad for an omnipotent being who apparently is masochistic? Our conception of God willingly forgives people, by His mercy, without demanding sacrifice of anyone. He forgives those who repent, and He even forgives those who do not by His mercy. Christianity instead teaches that God would NEVER forgive a single sin - even if the sin is innate and something we are born with - except by sacrifice of blood. He literally did not forgive anyone - He took the price of blood, even if the one who paid was supposedly Himself. If you expect me to think this is somehow more compassionate than simply forgiving someone, you're not gonna get far.

>>17960530
I was making a point about omnipotence. The motivations are irrelevant to my point (you guys love changing the subject). My claim is that saying that something like trinitarianism and monotheism are not mutually exclusive given that a truly omnipotent being exists, and that to claim that they are precludes the existence of an omnipotent being. The specifics of Christianity are irrelevant it my point. I am only dealing with a theological claim made by Muslims, so stay on topic.

>>17960578
So you don't even understand it yourself. Got it.

>>17960314
>Noah, Moses, and David did not believe in a triune God
Almost like it's revelation or something....

>>17960584
No, I get it perfectly. The Muslim position is indefensible, so they can only proceed by attacking other religious positions.

>>17960332
Why would I make an argument to someone who is not concerned with the fact that his argument is faulty?

>>17960603
Because you can't, lol.

>>17960594
Jesus literally worshipped God.

Tell me this: did the second person of the trinity die on the cross?

>>17959179
Islam has shitskin aesthetics.

>>17960695
lurk more

>>17960612
We need to clarify our concepts before we can even begin "making arguments."

>>17960689
>Did the second person of the Trinity die on the Cross

Yes, bodily.

>>17960570
>I did not say God is unable to become a man, I said worshipping a man is by definition polytheistic idol worship.
So your god is capable of such a thing? And if he did just that and proved to you that he was indeed god, worshiping him would him would still be polytheism? I understand that Muslims aren't the best a considering other positions, but it's necessary to even have these discussions.
>If you believe the Hindus are polytheists for believing in gods who take the forms of avatars and men, then this is no different.
I don't think Hindus are polytheists (I've heard Hindus claim both positions on separate occasions, so I don't really hold one myself) because their gods take the form of avatars. If I took that position it would be because the followers of that faith claim that thei gods themselves are separate entities.
>If you believe the Hindus to be monotheists for claiming all their gods are different incarnations of the same Creator-god, then your idea of monotheism is different from that taught by the followers of Abraham - Jews and Muslims
My concern is that the claim that something like trinitarianism and monotheism being mutually exclusive precludes the existence of an omnipotent being, and that if someone's idea of monotheism does that, then their god isn't almighty.
I'll get to the rest of the post in a bit.

>>17959178
nah, mishima was always pretty well known for a japanese author

>>17960729
so God died?

>>17959070
Who gives a shit, and wasn't it obvious?

>>17960756
better question
can one part of the trinity die, without impacting the other two? if so, how are they one being?

For the love of God, mass send him Call of the Crocodile!

>>17959738
What a chad

>>17960784
Genius. He would probably make a video.

>>17960756
Muslims believe in the immortality of the soul, right? What's the problem here?

>>17960689
Why are you changing the subject. My point is about the about the relationship between the possibility of something like trinitarianism, monotheism, and omnipotence. It's not about the specifics of Christian theology.
Rather than taking a stance about the claims your religion makes, you change the subject to pick apart what you see as inconsistencies of other faiths, and what's worse is that you did in response to a post calling you out on it.
Could you actually try to read the posts that you're responding to?

>>17960800
Im not a Muslim Im a Jew. But Muslims are right here. God=eternal and all powerful. Christians claim the second person of the trinity is what died on the cross. jesus died. jesus=/= eternal and all powerful. jesus=/= God


Deuteronomy 6: 4-9 - “God is one”

Deuteronomy 33:27 - “The eternal God is your refuge”... an eternal God cannot die.

Isaiah 40:28 - “God is everlasting”... an everlasting God cannot be “begotten” (born) as Jesus was

Isaiah 2:21 - Oh, cease to glorify man, Who has only a breath in his nostrils! For by what does he merit esteem?
Isaiah 42:9 - I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not yield My glory to another, Nor My renown to idols.

Psalm 147:5 “Great is our Lord and full of power; His wisdom is beyond reckoning.”

1 Samuel 15:29 “And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent.”

Numbers 23:19. “God is not man, that he should lie.”

Hosea 11:9 “I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again.
For I am God, and not a man - the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities.”

>>17960838
>Jesus is not eternal and all powerful.
I deny this premiss.

>>17960855
If he died, he wasnt eternal. If he was BEGOTTEN, he wasnt eternal. If he worshipped God, he was not God, which means he wasnt eternal.

>>17960838
>Im not a Muslim Im a Jew. But Muslims are right here. God=eternal and all powerful. Christians claim the second person of the trinity is what died on the cross. jesus died. jesus=/= eternal and all powerful. jesus=/= God
If he is all powerful, then none of that is impossible. To dent such a thing is to have an incomplete conception of omnipotence.

>>17960873
Answer the following questions with a yes or no.

Can God die?
Did jesus die?
Was jesus God?

>>17960890
It's possible for any possible combinations of those things to be true for an all powerful being. But I'm not defending the specifics of Christian theology, so stop changing the subject and demonstrate why within the context of an omnipotent being existing, something like trinitarianism and monotheism are mutually exclusive without referring to the specifics of Christian theology.

>>17960918
Separating this conversation from the specifics of christian theology is imposible, as it is only christians who believe in this crap.


1. There can only be one ALL powerful being. If there is more than one all powerful being, then none of them are all powerful, by definition.
2. God is all powerful
3. If there are multiple persons, each who are all powerful (fully God) within a triune "godhead", then there would be multiple all powerful beings.
4. See 1. There is only one all powerful being, which is God. He literally MUST be a unitarian being

Not to mention the repeated statements of Gods unity in the bible

>>17960869
Again, this doesn't seem that ludicrous if one accepts the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. Muslims believe this, not sure about Jews.

>>17960985
Yes, the soul is immortal in that they don't just vanish when you die, but they are created. God CREATES humans and gives them a soul. A human soul =/= God.

If you wasn to say jesus had an eternal soul because he was a human being, I would agree, but this would necessarily mean he was not God

>>17960838
What is exactly the Jewish disagreements with Muslims? In every theological discussion I see the Jews agree with Islam and yet they don't accept Islam.

>>17961006
1. Muhammad was not a prophet of God
2. Jesus was not the messiah, or a prophet of God
3. The Quran is not the word of God
4. The word of God is not uncreated
5. The Torah has not been corrupted, the masoretic text is the product of the Oral law given at Mt Sinai. Its not clear to what extent the quran or hadith even support the view that its been corrupted. As far as I know, they beleive that the Torah is divine and that the word of God cannot change, and yet... its corrupted? I dont buy it. Their are more differences between the earliest versions of the Quran than between the masoretic text and the dead sea scrolls, for example. And thats keeping in mind that all orthodox Jews know that the dead sea scrolls were used by eseenes, a heretical group. And yet, even THEIR bible is remarkably similar to what we call authoritative today. Meanwhile, the same cant be said for the quran or the new testament

>>17960984
>Separating this conversation from the specifics of christian theology is imposible, as it is only christians who believe in this crap.
It can be because it can be thought of as a concept separate from the beliefs of Christians. The concept itself and how theists react to it is more interesting than the theological bickering of Christians. If you make a claim about god, you should be able to demonstrate it it's truth rather than just pointing out contradictions you see in the beliefs of others.

>1. There can only be one ALL powerful being. If there is more than one all powerful being, then none of them are all powerful, by definition.
If an all powerful being is limited to oneness, then he is not all powerful.
>2. God is all powerful
If he is limited to oneness, then he isn't.
>3. If there are multiple persons, each who are all powerful (fully God) within a triune "godhead", then there would be multaiple all powerful beings.
Such a thing must be possible for a being to be all powerful, but the it must also be able to be one at the same time. If it is unable to this it is not all powerful.
>4. See 1. There is only one all powerful being, which is God. He literally MUST be a unitarian being
To claim that God must be something, requires him to not be all powerful, and your conception of omnipotence is incomplete.

>Not to mention the repeated statements of Gods unity in the bible
Irrelevant, stop trying to change the subject.

>>17961001
So Jesus did not vanish when he died, as he had an immortal soul.

>>17961092
If Muhammad was not a Prophet of God then how do you explain that he got everything right (from Jewish perspective), considering that he was not educated in Jewish theology?

>>17961116
>(from Jewish perspective)
The News certainly agree with the extensive passages describing hell in the Quran, right?

>>17961092
>The first problem we must deal with when discussing the Torah is the fact that there are many different versions being used today by Jews and Christians. Here are some examples of texts that contain different versions of the Torah. They are listed in order of oldest surviving manuscript evidence [1]:

>Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) – These are a collection of texts discovered between 1946 and 1956 inside caves near the Dead Sea. The texts are of great religious significance because they include the earliest known surviving manuscripts of the Old Testament but many are fragmentary. The scrolls date from approximately 150 BCE – 70 CE.
>Septuagint (LXX) – This is the primary Greek translation of the Old Testament. It was completed by Jewish scholars in the late 2nd century BCE and the oldest manuscript evidence is the 2nd century BCE. Relatively complete manuscripts of the LXX include the Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus of the 4th century CE. These are the oldest surviving nearly-complete manuscripts of the Old Testament in any language.
>Masoretic Text (MT) – This is the authoritative Hebrew text of the Old Testament. The oldest extant manuscripts date from around the 9th century CE. This version is favoured by mainstream Judaism.
>Samaritan Torah (ST) – This is the Samaritan version of the Torah written in the Samaritan alphabet which is derived from the paleo-Hebrew alphabet used by the Israelite community prior to the Babylonian captivity. The Samaritans represent a sect of Judaism that split off from the mainstream. There are still a few hundred Samaritans living in modern-day Israel. The oldest extant manuscripts date from around the 11th century CE.
https://www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2014/05/14/the-corruption-of-the-torah/

>>17961130
Funny Freudian slip.

>>17961161
It's autocorrect.

I'm sorry, I don't care about dickless losers who think playing video games badly in front of an audience have any right to speak about any topic. In other words OP: fuck off, and if the dickless loser in question is here: fuck off.

>>17961095
lmao Gods oneness is not limiting, its the opposite. If God can be a human or a cat or a tree or the sky, THEN he is limited. His oneness and seperation from creation are literally the reason he is all powerful. That which is created cannot precede creation. God is uncreated, and is the only thing in existence with this quality. I have a feeling you know this already, idk what to tell you dude. A limited form is just that, NOT infinite.

>>17961102
Jesus' soul, like all human beings souls, lives on after death. But we maintain that he was a human being, who died, and was not God.

>>17961116
What do you mean "got everything right"? There are substantial differences between jewish and islamic law. There is a lot in common too, but come on. The dietary laws, fringes on ones clothing, tefillin, mezzuzot, laws of prayer, marriage, etc. are all either absent in Islam or simply different. Plus, theological differences between the uncreatedness of the word of God, satan, heaven and hell, etc.

>>17961132
Masoretic is the only authoritative text.
Dead sea scrolls were used by essenses, literal hereitics. We literally do not care about their corrupted scripture, no orthodox jews on the planet use the dead sea scrolls as their bible lmfao

We dont have the original septuagint. The parts that were translated by the jews only included the 5 books of moses and some random apocryphal works, not the prophets or psalms. Again, literally zero jews use this text. Even the greek-sepaking hellenized Jews didnt use what we now call the septuagint

Again, literally zero jews use the samaritan torah. Zero. Never have never will.

>>17961205
>lmao Gods oneness is not limiting, its the opposite. If God can be a human or a cat or a tree or the sky, THEN he is limited. His oneness and seperation from creation are literally the reason he is all powerful. That which is created cannot precede creation. God is uncreated, and is the only thing in existence with this quality. I have a feeling you know this already, idk what to tell you dude. A limited form is just that, NOT infinite
Of he cannot be those things, then he is limited. If he were all powerful, there can be no can not as far as he is concerned. Anything else in an incomplete conception of omnipotence.

>>17959070
>the /lit/ discord server
Please leave zoomzoom

Nice photoshop. You literally edited the thread into the computer behind Pewds. OP is a fag once again trying to trick people into thinking Pewds, an adamant Atheist, would ever convert to Islam.

>>17961236

>"if God is all powerful, can he be... NOT all powerful? cuz if he cant be uh.. NOT all powerful, then how could he be all powerful?"

>>17961267
If an all powerful being cannot do something, he isn't all powerful. That's all there is to it.

Is this stupid nigger really.making the argument God isn't all powerful because he can't turn into a cat? Brainlets who can only imagine the physical when thinking of God because only knowing the physical a your own limitation. God can work his will through a cat I'm sure one will attack your ballsack sometime today.

>>17961267
>acting like this isn't a question actually addressed in philosophy of religion classes
sad

>A manlet who behaves like a kids tv presenter and plays video games for a living on yootoob

Basically he's everything wrong with contemporary western civilisation and partially culpable for the infantalization of young, white, western males.
He nurtures soibois.
If you like him you probably fantasize about black men fucking your imaginary girlfriend

>>17961287
If god cannot turn into cat, what is stopping him? Being all powerful means there can be no instances where he cannot do something in both the physical world and beyond.

>>17960133
>NOOo you can't just spread the universal truth to all people that's heckin cringe!!!

>>17961320
being unable to spread your religion in the civilized world, and then deciding to go on to try spreading it in countries where most people aren't even literate, let alone versed in science or history, is pretty damn cringe, cross worshipper

>>17961291
What's best is that none of them have anything close to an answer. They could at least double down on that Ali quote and plead the fifth, but the questions of possibility still remain.

>>17961320

Don't really see how you can come to the conclusion that you can be a chantard whilst simultaneously being a Christian, Muslim or Buddhist.

>larping

>>17960204
Based edposter

>>17959833
Complete bullshit. Every major Orthodox church has presence in North America, not to mention the fact that the OCA exists
>>17959863
The way you worded your original post clearly made it seem like you were talking about the religions and their tenants and theology compared to each other, not their hypothetical use as practical social control

>>17961291
>philosophy of religion classes don't have access to google

>>17961286
>If an all powerful being cannot do something, he isn't all powerful
Google the definition of all powerful according to the abrahamic faiths.

>>17961315
What is "stopping" is his very nature. Will you people pick up a bible for once in your life? or use google?

>>17961416
noooooo don’t disturb my heckin comfy porn threads!

>>17960784
This. He might make a video of it

>>17961450
>Will you people pick up a bible for once in your life?
There is no verse in the Bible saying God cannot become a man. There are verses saying He was not a man (who would lie) during the time of Moses, but no Christian believes God was a man during the time of Moses. God only incarnated and gained a human nature over 1000 years after Moses, during the 1st century.

>>17960784
This entire board would unironically explode if he did this.

>>17959179
Wrong

>>17960784
He’s a gamer. Pewds would be more likely to talk about Call of the Arcade.

>>17959833
>You can only have access to Orthodox Christianity when in Armenia, Georgia, Syria or Russia, while Islam is prominent in most countries.
Lmao this whole post is retarded but especially this. I just looked up “Orthodox Church *my location*” and a bunch popped up.

>>17959834
I hate zoomers

>>17961468
>God only incarnated and gained a human nature over 1000 years after Moses, during the 1st century.

HAHAHAHAHA conversation over. You just proved Judaism true lmfao good going. The bible defines idolatry as worshipping anything which did not reveal itself to the Israelites at Mt Sinai. You just admitted that the trinity would have been completely heretical to the ancient Jews and that only in the 1st century did God "become" flesh.

You have but to inquire about bygone ages that came before you, ever since God created man on earth, from one end of heaven to the other: has anything as grand as this ever happened, or has its like ever been known?
33Has any people heard the voice of a god speaking out of a fire, as you have, and survived?
34Or has any god ventured to go and take for himself one nation from the midst of another by prodigious acts, by signs and portents, by war, by a mighty and an outstretched arm and awesome power, as the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your very eyes?
35It has been clearly demonstrated to you that the LORD alone is God; there is none beside Him.

God revealed himself to the Jews and spoke to them. That God is all powerful and unitary. Any version of that God which was not revealed at Mt. Sinai is simply false. BEGOME JEWISH ANON

>>17959833
>You can only have access to Orthodox Christianity when in Armenia, Georgia, Syria or Russia
This is peak retard. I love how you chose not to include Romania, Greece, Bulgaria, and Serbia also.

>>17961450
>Google the definition of all powerful according to the abrahamic faiths.
So is the abrahamic god limited in some way? If their notion of being all powerful has limitations why do they claim he is all powerful rather than just powerful?
>>17961450
>What is "stopping" is his very nature. Will you people pick up a bible for once in your life? or use google?
If something cannot control, alter, or change its nature, it cannot be all powerful.

>>17959070
strong doubt, top right picture is shopped

>>17961528
>HAHAHAHAHA conversation over. You just proved Judaism true lmfao good going. The bible defines idolatry as worshipping anything which did not reveal itself to the Israelites at Mt Sinai. You just admitted that the trinity would have been completely heretical to the ancient Jews and that only in the 1st century did God "become" flesh.
Are you retarded? Guess what, God wasn’t dwelling in any Tabernacle either during Sinai, and yet they worshiped the presence of God there too. Idolatry in Judaism is defined as worshiping something other than Yahweh, worshiping other gods, angels, idols, ect, are not allowed. Worshiping Yahweh and how He chooses to reveal Himself is allowed. And in fact, the OT says that Israel will worship God in a more definitive way after the law is written in their hearts,

>Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— NOT ACCORDING to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which THEY BROKE, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I WILL BE THEIR GOD, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Wow, look, God is saying that He will be the Israelites’ God in a way where they will worship Him with His law written on their hearts, CONTRARY to the covenant made on Sinai, because THEY BROKE THAT COVENANT. You’re showing how idiotic you are because you assume that the covenant made on Sinai and the way they did things there is the end-all-be-all of Judaism, when it’s not. Sinai was simply the manner in which the Messiah was meant to reveal Himself so that all men may become holier in God.

kek

>>17959070
you have way too much time to do this

>>17959070
Pewdie, I know that Christianity is unattractive, especially because how modern Christianity presents itself but it really is the only way to go.

Pewdiepie is a faggot

>>17961607
They didnt worship the tabernacle itself, you retard, they worshipped there because God told them to.

>durrrrr they broke the covenant so the covenant is over

The covenant is eternal and there is nothing you can do about it. "writing the law on their hearts" is exactly what will happen WHEN the messiah comes and brings the jews to perfect torah observance. This didnt happen with jesus because he wasnt the messiah

LMFAO YOUR PEOPLE DIDNT GET THE TORAH AND NOW YOUR TRYING TO TELL ME THE ETERNAL COVENANT ISNT ETERNAL LMFAOOOOO READ YOUR BIBLE

>Sinai was simply the manner in which the Messiah was meant to reveal Himself

Literally not said a single time in the entire bible lmfao. I hope your reddit opinions on scripture are worth throwing away your share in the world to come, akhi

>>17959070
Looks like conclusive proof to me

>>17961681
>They didnt worship the tabernacle itself, you retard, they worshipped there because God told them to.
Looks like you finally understand. They worshiped there because God dwelled there, and God told them that He would dwell there. That’s the point. God can manifest Himself in anyway He wishes and worshiping Him through that manifestation is not idolatry.

>The covenant is eternal and there is nothing you can do about it.
Yes, the covenant Abraham made, the covenant that was corroborated by the one made in Sinai, and the one punctuated by the Messiah. I’m not saying that the covenant no longer exists; but I’m saying that there is a NEW covenant, one that God wrote on the hearts of the believers.

>Literally not said a single time in the entire bible lmfao
Are you retarded? The covenant made in Egypt was supposed to bring in the new covenant, yes it was. That’s what was addressed in the passage I just gave you. The Messiah is the branch who is supposed to exemplify all of Israel’s history, and that includes Sinai.

>>17959912
Thank God there are no Europeans on your chart.

>>17960533
Christianity is less of a LARP, however memedoxy is the BIG larp

HAPPENING

>>17959375
Can you really blame them for wanting pendulum backlash change given the current trajectory of western society? You can if they are pewd's age, but young men grappling with modern society are going to be drawn to extreme alternatives. The more extreme the more alluring.

>>17961726
The presence of God is not God you clown. They worshipped God allmighty in a space ordained for them, doesnt mean God "dwelled" in the space like a human dwells in a home.

The covenant with Israel, the HOLY TORAH being its law, is eternal. The idea of a new covenant is not in the bible. It comes from a blatant misreading of Jeremiah. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWiHJffk0JA&ab_channel=JewsforJudaism))

Here is what the bible describes as the messianic age. None of this has occurred yet. Therefore, the messiah hasnt come.


Jews will return to the Torah.
Deuteronomy 30:8-10, Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 11:19-20. 36:26-27, 37:24, Nehemiah 1:19
Jews will return to Israel.
Deuteronomy 30:3, Isaiah 11:11-12. Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37, Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24, 37:25
Peace on Earth.
Micah 4:4, Isaiah 60:18, Zechariah 14:11
The Holy Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and in full use.
Isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 6-:7, 66:20, Ezekiel 37:26-27, Malachi 3:4, Zechariah 14:20-21
The world will seek guidance from the Jews.
Zechariah 8:20-23, 14:9, 16, Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:3, 14, Jeremiah 16:19-21, Micah 4, Hosea 2:20
UNIVERSAL knowledge of God.
Zechariah 3:9, Isaiah 45:23, 66:23, Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 37:28, 38:23, Psalm 86:9

>>17960065
>But only failed anglo Protestants look into orthodoxy
What did he mean by this? The whole "larper convert" thing is 90% bullshit, and the other 10% are just people online and the odd Eastern Euro diaspora "converting" back to the Orthodoxy after being raised vaguely secularly

>>17959070
holy based. welcome to islamic brotherhood. hold this bomb

>>17959179
At the contrary, Islam is a Solar monotheism. There's only one God, that's it. That's the appeal. Orthodoxy is complicated and will only appeal to catholics/prot who are unsatisfied with particular points of their Church and want their beliefs to be justified. This they cannot find in Islam, as shown when Pope Benedict challenged the Muslims to show what was good and new in their faith. They reacted by burning orthodox churches and killing christians, proving him right, I guess.

>>17961353
>being unable to spread your religion in the civilized world,
Did you skip history class or something?

>>17962191
kek

>>17962353
Christianity is a religion literally crafted for the meek, illiterate, masses of the world. Say hello to 200 million phillipino evangelicals

>>17962392
It's a shame that the western world has turned its backs on the very thing that created them.

>>17962452
It got rebranded into some horrific strain of Judaism. I know nothing of its manifestations in other regions, but in North America, Christianity is a travesty in its current form.

>>17959927
It's because skeptics, especially those that can bring themselves to believe in Christ and His resurrection, but not much else, see him as a literal who jew that pretended to receive divine visions for personal gain

>>17962452
>>17962520

>>17962520
Abrahamic faiths have always been travesties since their beginning.

This was sort of obvious, a few years ago he did a monthly book review and said the best advice was to always start with the Greeks and he read and talked about Plato and Kierkegaard. Loved those videos but I think he stopped after a couple months.

I haven't watched him in a while but I don't think he does them anymore. If any Pewdiepie fans are reading this and he's done more then pls let me know bros.

>>17959070
Can Pewdiepie convert to Mormonism instead?
Also, can he read analytic philosophy?
Reading continental philosophy and Islamic religion is the most surface-tier normie thing he could do. If he really wants to surprise me he has to do the least expected, least popular, and most esoteric he can do for someone in his position.

>>17959143
>unironically
>oomer
retard

>>17959070
Invite to the /lit/ discord?

>>17963447
There is no /lit/ discord just a bunch if discords made by folks inviting people from /lit/.

>>17963457
Not true. The one I'm in even has F. Gardner in it. Lurk more.

>>17960055
Very good

>>17963524
LOL Gardner is garbage and if you think he, or Card, or Waldun, are """"board culture"""" because they're spammed now you probably weren't around for the Horia Belcea spam.

>>17963582
I don't know who Card is. But Waldun and Gardner are absolutely board culture. There are daily threads about both of them. Just because you hate them doesn't change that fact. Cope.

>>17963611
Forced memes aren't memes and forced shilling is not genuine organic board culture. Stop identifying with 4chan, first of all, if you don't hate /lit/ and actually identify AS a /lit/izen you're probably a teenager. Gardner was published in late 2020, that's why I mentioned Belcea, since that was only slightly earlier in 2020. People who've joined /lit/ like yesterday suddenly think current spam is "board culture" as if it was firmly in stone from time immemorial. If you had just been here a few years ago you'd see why that's stupid. Unless you're also stupid.

>>17963582
>Horia Belcea

I just looked this book up. It had like 4 ratings on Amazon. It's not even as relevant as RC Waldun's obscure novel or F Gardner's lesser talked about books.
Gardner was also interviewed in &amp. The 4chan magazine. I'm sure they'd love to interview Waldun, as well. Since he's and Waldun are the most talked about people on this board.

>>17963582
Dude Gardner's in the fucking /lit magazine.

>>17959070
this retard just should stop drinking by himself
if he wants really wants Religion he must stop being a retard and go for the True one

>>17960276

>>17960276
greater than his human nature.

I'm glad people are shifting of LARP. I was honestly tired of the tradlarp sedevacantists and the memedoxy posting. At least islam has some real presence.

>>17963640
I like Gardner and Waldun more than Belcea too anon. Belcea was incredibly annoying in a way Gardner or Waldun (or Card) aren't. I much prefer their spam to his, because he was insufferable and probably a janny because threads and posts critical of him got deleted and people were soon after mass-banned for complaining and piecing the puzzle together.
>>17963670
Because why wouldn't he?

>>17960055
Too good to be true.

>>17963670
Yeah F Gardner’s solidified himself. He actually pays for ads so it’s not to unbelievable that his books caught on. Waldun is kind of an oddball but like Gardner he’s definitely made his mark on this board.

>>17959395
Is he not?

>>17963670
It’s because Call of the Arcade is a genuinely interesting read. If you write as much as Gardner, you might accidentally write a good book. I think that might be what happened with Arcade. Why do you think the article was so focused on that particular book?
He’s written several books. But Call of the Arcade is the only one people here claim is actually great.

>>17959070
>he is probably the islamposter.
>Convert to Orthodox Christianity pls.
It's quite strange considering he is/was a pretty hardcore atheist, especially since he's Swedish. Perhaps he only thought about Islam because of all the islamic immigrants flooding his home country. Perhaps he's following Islam for the struggle? As Islam has much more rules than Christianity does. Or maybe it's because Christianity is very commonly and openly mocked and seen as a joke, where as Islam strikes fear into the people who joke about it (as they tend to get legitemely violent, like that one teacher that got beheaded in the UK for making a joke about Allah).

>>17963345
fuck off

>>17960704
>mumbo jumbos instead of putting out a fire

Islam in a nutshell.

>>17964585
the west did not put the fire of judaism out

N E V E R T R U S T A S W E D I S H M A N

All this about some video game youtuber. Are there lots of /v/ crossposters here?

>>17965958
only children watch his video game videos. he does book reviews occasionally, and said nigger once, which is enough to make him "based and redpilled"

>A swed sucking sandniggers dicks
Oh wow, what a surprise.

>>17966307
Swedish men vote right wing and anti-immigration as a group.

I thought pewdiepie hates religion
He seems to hate when authors say become christian

>>17966579
He's an atheist, but is interested in reading about religions, including Christianity.

>>17959070
It's been known for a while that he browses /lit/, and all the newfags wanting to seem like oldfags calls anyone who talks about him an oldfags.

And though he did say he's curious about Islam, there's no evidence that he's pro-Islam, and he certainly isn't the Islam poster.

>>17959178
>It was better when only people in Japanese literature and East Asian studies departments knew about him.
As in never?

>>17959833
Except Islam isn't white and it would be a major step down, a full blown degeneration, of Western history to become Muslim.

It's also just too different.

>>17959178
>>17959143
/lit/ has always been shit, newfags. and if anyone ruined Mishima, it's the idiots from /fit/ and the weeb boards.

>>17959083
You obviously

>>17959863
Except it's socially the opposite of suitable, the closest an ideology or worldview in general came to being used for social suitability for certain purposes successfully, was Nazi Germany. And it wasn't some practical masterplan, but had a very specific history and interconnectedness with the nation.

4chan LARPers really be like "I'm gonna solve world problems by making utilitarian decisions according to my individual opinions".

>>17959070
>pewdiepie
who?

I used to at least respect the Islam-poster's choices to convert to Islam though I disagreed with them, but I have lost all respect for them after seeing how retarded they are in this thread.

>>17960299
wtf is this real???

>>17966848
He is a quite known post-modern novelist

>>17960074
>google the verse

top lel

>>17966857
It was quite an embarrassing display, especially since you can tell how highly they think of themselves in each and every post they make. If this thread is any indication, embracing Islam renders you incapable of abstract thought.

>>17966686
Christianity isnt white either you fucking dumb nigger, or are you one of those retards who think Rabbi Yeshua was a "100% nordic aryan"

>>17967607
You do realize that christianity in northern europe has nothing to do with the desert cult it came from anymore, right?
It took the usefull parts (i.e. social values and shit) that benefit society and merged it with the pagan stuff that was already there

>>17967854
You do realize that christianity in northern europe has nothing to do with the desert cult it came from anymore, right?
oh yeah bro, nevermind the fact that they worship a jewish cult leader whos ideals were spread and propagated by his jewish followers
Kikestianity and judaism are the same shit, they even share the same books (OT), the only difference is that talmudic jews reject jewsus, meanwhile paulician jews accept him as the messiah of the jewish people

>>17967891
There are many christians that dont actually care about Jesus as a person, just like there are many jews that dont actually care if "god" exists.
You completly missed my point.

>>17967949
>There are many christians that dont actually care about Jesus as a person
then they are not christians, as jesus is the last and most important prophet in christianity.
>just like there are many jews that dont actually care if "god" exists.
then they are not jews, just atheists, atheist kikes.

It doesn't matter if they got some pagan traditions in scandinavian christianity or whatever. it still doesnt negate the massive semitic influence in christianity

>>17960984
You've been filtered by the most basic mystic idea in religion.

>>17967949
>many christians that dont actually care about Jesus
nigga wat

>>17967607
>written by jews

lol

>>17962200
good and new?
Pick one

>>17968495
>lol
Paul was a jew. I'm not even going to talk about the OT which is 100% jewish.

>>17968522
yeh Jewish, not Christian.

>>17968546
Christianity is 100% jewish, you christcucks are so retarded it eludes me.
You can't claim to hate jews when you worship one.
There are other non-jewish monotheistic gods out there you know? Allah, Ahura Mazda, Sol, you don't need to worship yahweh and yeshua

>>17968582
whatever helps you cope

>>17969157
>claims to hate jews yet worships one
Sure, I'm the one coping

>>17968582
>Allah
Allah is Jewish too. Same with YHVH.
>Ahura Mazda, Sol
Based, not Jewish.
Why not throw in some of the Pre-Socratics too?
>you don't need to worship yahweh and yeshua
Allah is shit too, otherwise I agree.

>>17969565
How is allah jewish?

>>17961824
You fucking bet

>>17969609
Allah is just Arabic for the same Abrahamic God (Yahweh), which has Jewish origins...

>>17969677
Allah was already the high god of the Arabs before Muhammad. Yahweh was a demon who replaced the canaanite god El as the high god of the Hebrews. Allah is 100% Arabic while Islam did get influenced by judaism (too some small extent) judaism also got influenced alot by zoroastrianism, yet we dont call judaism an iranian religion

just came back to /lit/ after 5 years. yep still complete and utter shit

>>17959070
What literature are we discussing here?

>>17959833
Meanwhile Shiites and Sunnis are killing each other through proxy wars.

>>17959070
how fucking stupid do you have to be to think there is only one "islam poster" on /lit/.

>>17959070
Pewdz, your content sucks and you don't deserve your fame. You know this to be true

>>17959070
>Swedish
>Converts to Islam
You can't make this shit up

>>17970364
Just like catholic croats and orthodox serbs were murdering eachother not too long ago.

>>17970663
>haha le swedes are all muslim refugees
Dumb mutt, most converts to islam are americans, frenchies and anglos, tens of thousands of mutts convert to islam every year

>>17967607
>preached to jews
There are verses that indicate its not about being part of an ethnicity but a human being

>>17959070
he literally said hes not muslim in his latest video and did not have any interest in the religion besides, sure I might read the Quran sometime I would like to read all the major holy books

>>17959070
Mashallah

>>17960529
the shia are heretics.
the proper way to understand islam is how the sahaba the tabieen and the tabitabieen understood it.
the ashari and maturidi are the ahlul bidah.
do you forget the hadith of the slave girl.
make no mistake, the ashari aqeedah is very dangerous and will lead you astray far from the truth

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Kill yourself

>>17971541
CopeSeetheDilate

>>17971541

>>17971541
The (You) comb.

>>17971541
all me btw

>>17960490
>and there are three understandings that are acceptable readings of these texts that millions of Muslims subscribe to - they are the Ash'ari, Maturidi, and Athari creeds. All three have a long history, with evidences in the Quran and the sunnah, and they are supported by giants in the field of scholarship in our age and the past.
I've always found it interesting that every Islamic creed recognizes the possible validity of the other creeds, and that students are expected to make their own decisions based on their own logic and rational reasoning on what they think is most likely to be the correct interpretation. I don't think any other religion gives so much intellectual liberty to the students of its theology which ironically contrasts heavily with Islam's image of being a very rigid religion.

>>17960918
>It's possible for any possible combinations of those things to be true for an all powerful being.
This is the beginning and end of any theological conversation imo and everything else is just affected gesticulation.

Does he browse /lit/ on a 500x screen size or something?

>>17959070
Sweden moment.

Pewds if ur reading this you should convert to Roman Catholicism. Even if you dont like it personally, think of the millions of kids you could influence by promoting Christianity.

Then tell him to read Call of the Crocodile.

>>17959070
>>17959070
>PEWDIEPIE BROSWES /LIT/ and is probably the Islam poster
This is the best thing I have ever read in my life. Guess that noose is gonna have to wait.

https://youtu.be/HORIiz_9Q4M?t=621
>Someone on the stream said 'will you read the Corn?'
>I said sure, I'll probably read most religious texts.
>PEWDIEPIE MUSLIM NOW! WOOOOO!
>I don't think that's how that works.

>>17959070
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/V1YbsIjWNkLn/

https://www.brighteon.com/db5b19b4-d49b-428f-ad28-1e699f370b7f

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sVLCYMezi0

https://www.outofshadows.org/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDliTIUq_uw

http://finalwakeupcall.info/en/2021/04/07/total-extinction-of-mankind-is-close/

>>17966701
it was less shit a few years ago.

>>17971633
>I don't think any other religion gives so much intellectual liberty to the students of its theology which ironically contrasts heavily with Islam's image of being a very rigid religion
The kind of Islam image has today is somewhat divorced from what it was historically. There’s no doubt that for most of its existence it was far more tolerant than Christianity, but you’d never guess it by looking at both faiths today.

>>17971648
Yeah, but it’s fun to see people try to tell you with a straight face than an all powerful being MUST be one way or another without recognizing the absurdity.

There's nothing In quran to gain. Just senseless brainwashing. I hope the whole middle East gets nuked.

>>17970364
This mostly involves American interventions though. The Christian war didn't. Not only did you fight eachother, but Christians sold the canon that destroyed Constaninople's walls to the Ottomans and the Catholics refused to give you help when you were sieged LOL.

>>17960055
kek