/lit/ - Literature

>another reddit image as OP

>vtumor op
Here we go again with the faggotry

I am getting really sick of this recurring structure in (modern) fantasy books where things only happen in the last 100 pages, and the previous 400-700 pages is mostly people in the same couple of locations dumping exposition and making political manoeuvres. It strikes me as a structure largely informed by television, where budget restraints require the constant re-use of sets and anything exciting that happens is used to book-end a season to create a cliff-hanger for next year and so they don't blow their vfx budget by episode 4.

I don't know if it is because authors are now writing with adaptations in mind, or because they are more influenced by visual media than books, but I am over the total lack of adventure.

Best fantasy about knights?

What would need to happen for Gene Wolfe to become widely popular?

>>17849626
unironically asoiaf

>>17849649
A Game of Thrones level popularity adaptation of BotNS or The Wizard and the Knight.

Or an A24 type film adaptation of the Fifth Head of Cereberus.

But it would be questionable how true to Wolfe these adaptations would be if they became widely popular. For that to happen we'll have to wait for the religious demographic shift coming in 2050.

Any sf/f books with a privateer/pirate angle to them? I genuinely don't mind if it's at sea or space

>>17849749
In Bakker's series (the Prince of Nothing) they are some naval skirmishes.

>>17849542
What does this image have to do with sci-fi and fantasy?

>>17849707
>For that to happen we'll have to wait for the religious demographic shift coming in 2050.
Crazy blacks and Latinos aren't Catholic and they don't read.

>>17849784
It's in a fantasy town with a castle? There's a reason why Japanese vision of European medieval fantasy is more popular nowadays (Berserk, Goblin Slayer, Dark Souls etc.), it's clearly superior in aesthetics to anything made in the West, and I'd argue it's even better than older stuff like LOTR. Seethe more though, it's always entertaining.

>>17849807
>nothing to do with Fantasy or Sci-Fi literature
Stop posting.

>>17849813
Visual representation of any kind has nothing to do with literature if we take your retard logic all the way to it's conclusion. It just so happens that to illustrate a thread about fantasy literature, the OP chose a fantasy illustration, end of story.

>>17849749
red seas under red skies, book 2 of gentleman bastards by scott lynch

>>17849626
The Once and Future King.
Jack Vance's Lyonesse Trilogy
Princes of Sandastre (the other Lyonesse)
Three Hearts and Three Lions (just started this series, it's quite good)
Malroy is very entertaining if you can handle older stuff.
>>17849689 +

>>17849824
>Visual representation of any kind has nothing to do with literature
Do you even read fantasy? Half the appeal is the ridiculous paperback covers. Tolkien illustrated the first edition of the Hobbit and where would we be without maps showing us where the fuck Winterfell or King's Landing are supposed to be.
Stop sitting on your computer, eagerly awaiting for the thread to hit bump limit so you can make another ugly, irrelevant vtuber OP. Replying to people you piss off with your spamming and avatarfagging is not a substitute for human interaction.

>>17849807
Based

>>17849807
I would disagree that it surpasses LOTR, but I agree with the rest and I find it really sad how Japan seems to care more about European history, or Pseudo-European settings, for more than westerns do.
Vinland Saga is another example, the Manga far surpasses something like that Vikings show made by the history channel.

>>17849608
I don't know if it's a recent thing, a lot of older novels have the same format of lore-dump, romance set-up, political maneuvering, meeting Lord Hardman of the Hardlands, a feast, an assassin, more intrigue, then, finally, something happens, a minor villain is thwarted and the book ends with a glimpse at the beginning of the next book in the series. If anything that's the issue, so many books are written to be part of a series, it's practically obligatory to the genre. I got the same thing from the Princes of Sandastre novel I finished recently. I enjoyed reading it and it certainly wasn't fishing for an adaptation back in 1990 but it fits what you've posted to a T.

>>17849867
>>>/a/

>>17849883
>I agree with the rest and I find it really sad how Japan seems to care more about European history, or Pseudo-European settings
Having a few half-timbered houses in a ringed city is not an appreciation of European history. This isn't really the place to discuss it, light novels and the like have never been welcomed on /lit/, but most Japanese fantasy completely lacks a "setting," what they have is a set of interchangeable shared cliches that are used so that people who read certain genres can dive into one cheap series after another and make Kadokawa a lot of money. Hell, a lot of (bad) Western fantasy, particularly short stories, are the same. A lot of great S&S series started off like that if they didn't coin the cliches themselves and only became recognisable "settings" over the course of several stories. You can pick out a few gems from Japanese comic books, never light novels, that are exceptions to the rule, but that does not mean that Japanese people care about European history, or Tolkien or even Howard for that matter.

And do Western writers not care about "Western fantasy" settings just because it's in vogue to come up with more unique and exotic settings at the moment? Give me a break.

>>17849952
>Having a few half-timbered houses in a ringed city is not an appreciation of European history.
That isn't what I said, and I actually gave specific examples. And it isn't about "all Japanese people" lol. The fact is more that Japan sees world history as universally viable for material to create works of fiction. They posses neither the shame toward their own history, of the kind increasingly prominent in the west, nor do they feel like they are not allowed to take history from other peoples and work with it. This puts them at an advantage to where we are currently, and has allowed them to produce, as you say, a few gems. The thing is, I only care about the gems, so I don't really give a fuck about the truckload of bad manga and light novels produced every month, what I do care about is that they have not closes themselves off creatively, even if that opportunity is rarely seized upon.

>>17849884
>>17849892
>>17849952
>>17849974
All of these look bad compared to Japanese art, it's telling that you found them on tumblr. Western art relating to fantasy (and even sci-fi/cyberpunk) is dead, though I don't think it was ever truly alive since there's nothing that can rival the best medieval fantasy and cyberpunk mangas. The only thing that is truly western is capeshit, but even narratives about enhanced humans are better done by Japanese t.b.h, without the inherent Marvel/DC cringe.

>>17849977
>The fact is more that Japan sees world history as universally viable for material to create works of fiction
They don't. They just recycle the same old Dragon Quest cliches and sell the same shitty wish fulfillment "novel" over and over again. Give me one good example of fantasy literature with a setting based on real history to come out of Japan in the last five years.

I admire the Japanese publication industry for their integration of internet technology, which has allowed them to support artists and writers that would never get the time of day in the West. It's unfortunate that they don't use that adventure to write anything worth reading.

>>17849883
>historically inaccurate
>demonizes European lifestyles
>adds trannies
Cuckland Saga is trash

>>17849952
>What did inspire the game was a combination of European mythology and artistic sources outside of the world of videogames. "There aren't any other games [that I'd cite as inspiration], but there are films like Conan the Barbarian and Excalibur, and Frazetta's fantasy art," Miyazaki explains. Demon's Souls' medieval horror aesthetic is itself a product of the back-to-basics approach behind its punishing gameplay; where Japanese action-RPGs are traditionally fond of a historical Japanese setting, From's designers found their inspiration elsewhere.

>"The worlds of the games we used to play, the ones that made us tremble with excitement, were all Western worlds," says Miyazaki, "like series of fantasy game books like Wizardry and Varitmu. When we made Demon's Souls we took a back-to-basics approach, and so it turned into that kind of world - it was perfectly natural... It isn't widely known overseas, but lately in Japan games with that kind of world have all but disappeared."

>The crumbling forts and gothic dungeons of Demon's Souls' world have a European aesthetic to them that Miyazaki thinks is entirely understandable, citing inspirations from Arthurian to bloodsoaked old-Germanic myth. "Aren't all of us, especially those involved in the actual making of games, influenced by the West? It's only my personal taste, but I'm very much drawn to things like King Arthur and Beowolf, and also the Nibelungen, because they're classics. They show the good and evil in the human psyche and you're made to breathe the unvarnished stench of humanity... [Medieval tales] are not trying to put on airs."

>>17850006
It's much better than shitty vtuber art made for twitter upvotes. Get the weeb washed out of your eyes.

>>17850016
A video game? Really?

>>17850052
Soulsborne is the greatest fantasy of our generation

>>17850044
>>17850052
This art style looks ridiculous, you can almost hear the disco music background and the snorting of cocaine. Special mention to the based black man holding a spear in the bottom image, very western and progressive.

>>17850068
Ah yes, the deep and compelling writing of the X King from the Castle of the Y. Who could forget the compelling dialogue of Oaf-Licker Ludavig "ha ha ha ha ha." Chilling.

>>17850077
And yet you are unable to post a single vtuber image that looks anywhere near as fantastic. You need to constantly remind everyone how your OPs are supposed to be "on-topic," while Western art speaks for itself.

>>17850083
Still mogs all other fantasy of this generation

>>17850119
You don't read fantasy, your opinion is irrelevant.

>>17849542
OP is the tranny faggot

>>17850006
you will never be a woman

>>17850148
>>17850150
I believe this what they call a "simp," not a tranny. They still have a dick, they just never get to use it.

>>17849807
Japanese have never made better art then Euros. Keep coping subhuman.

>>17849883
>Vinland Saga
more like a trannyland saga. Another pozzed shit. Kill yourself.

>>17850166
why not both. Vtrannies are both.

>>17850094
The op image is both fantasy and on topic, it's an anime girl in a fantasy town, you're the only one seething about it while posting your crappy tumblr artwork.
>Western art speaks for itself.
Okay rick and morty/calarts fanboi
>>17850150
You will always be a faggot

>>17850168
Name 5 eurotrannies fantasy comic better than what Japanese are doing now

What a comfy fantasy/sci-fi series? I mean where nothing really happens, but it's quite entertaining to read? with emphasis on characters, dialogs and the environment, for example.
Thanks!

>>17849754
the scalpers also have a rogueish/piratelike vibe so yeah i think bakkers work is the thing to read here

>>17850241
>Once and Future
King Arthur's back and he's here to spill the blood of Saxon men. Fate done right.
>The Cimmerian (Queen of the Black Coast, Red Nails, People of the Black Circle, The Frost Giant's Daughter)
Fantastic French adaptation of classic Conan.
>Inhuman (2021)
French sci-fi comic about a living planet and a group of astronauts/androids that crashland on it.
>D-Day
French alternative history serial, ranging from the obscure and plausible "what if 9/11 was stopped before it happened?" to Hitler assassinating Napoleon's descendant.
>Renaissance
In the near-future planet Earth is declared a failed civilisation. Alien "Peace Keepers" launch an intervention.
That's four from France and one from the UK.

Now how about we get back to the point of fantasy literature. I've heard so much about comics, vtubers and video games, but you're yet to offer a single decent Japanese fantasy novel.

>>17850234
you will always be a tranny subhuman. Your shitty vcancer is not fantasy, anime or art in general. Kill yourself.

>>17850361
>but you're yet to offer a single decent Japanese fantasy novel.
Not him, but Guin saga is pretty good (quality varies quite a bit, but that's expected in a 30 book series), and the Spice and Wolf series is great.
In Wilder Doth the Beast Lament is excellent, but I'm not sure whether that would be considered Fantasy or Sci Fi, or maybe science fantasy with a modern setting.
It is true that Japanese writers lean more towards sci-fi than Fantasy though. There's a million dime a dozen fantasy manga, but when it comes to actual novels it's heavily biased towards sci-fi.

>>17849788
It's the crazy white Karens.

>>17849754
kek

>>17850241
lmao just Slaine shits on everything your gook overlords shit out weebtranny.

>>17850397
I'd noticed the drift to sci-fi in novels too.
Would you be able to recommend any recent fantasy novels?

>>17850282
Not sure if it can be found in western books.

>>17850420
The best of Slaine is brilliant. Mills is an incredible writer.

>>17849977
have you actually read any light novels.
It seems like you just have this crazy notion about them without having experienced them, go to novel updates and come back here after you go trough a couple.
They are garbage like fats food but I like fast food, however trying to make them seem like a highly sophisticated work is fucking ridiculous.

>>17850397
Honestly, I think that shift is caused by the flood of jp fantasy works in the recent years, be it Dragon Quest inspired, dark fantasy or whatever else.
And that shift is very good, because you can read about Demon Lord vs Hero only so many times. Same goes for western attempts at gritty `epic` fantasy that all feel the same.

>>17849883
>>17849807

this, >>17850010 fucking cucksucker sucking jap dick when they don't know shit.
The whole story is "Viking culture bad Viking violent" without any, or barely any, regard for historical accuracy. Making it seem like the Japanese idea of pacifism and nonconflict is somehow above what was before.
ALSO NOTHING TO DO WITH FUCKING LITERATURE YOU FAGGOT FUCK OFF BACK TO A.

>>17850484
Good job promoting the obvious bait and additing to the heap. Here's a (You)

>>17850484
True

>>17850484
It's true, the Vikings were very peaceful and tolerant of homosexuality
lmao neck yourself retard

>>17850505
>It's true, the Vikings were very peaceful and tolerant of homosexuality
>assuming I think those thing are both true and good
>projecting you this hard.

>>17850505
False, being called a homo caused a moral insult and guys would fight til the death over such an insult.

>>17850610
Was this before or after they drank sperm to honor Odin?

>>17850610

>>17849608
This is sort of an effect of the audience. The fact is that, for most people, a story is about its last ten percent or so. They do not have the capacity to remember the reading itself of the rest of a story as part of the experience. That being the case, there is a huge focus on endings. That's why people like Sanderson can get away with lazily having things come together at a single point in the novel - so long as that point is at the very end, most people will accept it and forget how bullshit the rest of it was.

Reading The Blade Itself, can anyone tell me if something will happen to Jezal?
He seems very much set up to have a sort of humbling experience after which he becomes likeable, but I'm at part two and nothing is happening to him
His chapters are just him prancing around acting a cunt, I get the point but I am not having fun spending time with this character

>>17850625
>>17850630
Globohomo trying to destroy paganism because it's used by white nationalists. Vikings were no accepting of homosexuality.

>>17850630
Based, a true example of glorious western artist

>>17850636

>>17850625
We have had this discussion before on /lit/ that camo from an clearly ideological author with no sources besides his own book. So no that was made up, just like most of the renascence era writing about the medieval period.

>>17850654
Based Hilmar, son of Hilmar

>>17850654
Look I'm not a pagan and I don't think I'm homophobic. But his is blatant rewriting of mythology. The Christians do the same thing and some branches now claim being gay is a ok and the "homophonic" ways of reading the bible and interpreting it are outdated or just plain wrong

None of that changes the fact it says to stop gays to death in the bible. No matter what any high priest or bishop says.

>>17850654
>>17850682
That's not true. Similar to how you can find tiktoks of christian priests talking about how jesus was gay and how trannies are great. Globohomo just want to destroy all European traditions.

>>17850694
I think you need to get out of /pol/ and stop blaming the Jews for everything.
The decline in religion is clearly leading to them trying to broaden their appeals by following what the cultural Zeitgeist claims to be correct. That wouldn't' be that bad except it leads to them trying to change the cannon of the mythos and the writings associated with them. I don't mind a high priest of a dead religion telling people to not be homophobic, I do care that some retard wrote about zeus drinking cum and now it taken as true part of the mythos and norse culture without question, because it is "better than being homophobic".
The past does not and should not try to conform to our modern cultural norms.

Behead vtubers and their simpathizers

>>17850734
>zeus
Fyi it was Odin or Woden who required semen drink of horse (Slepnir) or a man as a rite to acquire magical knowledge

>>17850734
No one cares faggot.

>>17841948
>>17842127
>>17842140
>>17842146
I fully agree, Malazan is one of the most overrated fantasy series. It's fun scene to scene and has fun interactions, but overall it's a convoluted mess of incoherent nonsense. I dropped it in the second to last book because I just didn't care. There was no overarching story I wanted to at least know the resolution of, no characters that had grown to me, nothing. Every book threw old characters under the bus and made them weird aliens while introducing new characters that quickly started to feel like a copy paste of some older character to the point that I started to forget that they weren't a character from a previous book but were actually supposed to be a new, different one. That also speaks to how shallow they were.

I'd say Malazan is worse than even Wheel of Time, which I despised, because at least Wheel of Time has a decent story and some good characters sprinkled throughout all the cancer shit. and I did want to know how the story resolved.

>>17850772
Yeah I fucked that up, not sure if it's dyslexia or if my brain id dying but Odin and Zeus get mixed a lot in my mind.
Still that was not original in the Norse mythology and completely made up recently by someone who is not even a historian.
But it still making the rounds in the collective consciousness as if it were true.

>>17850811
If you hated malazan and wheel of time what do you consider a good epic fantasy series?

>>17850832
not him but lord of the rings and you know who

>>17850832
Lord of the Rings, Second Apocalypse, Song of Ice and Fire.
It's slim pickings. I don't read YA stuff, and I don't know any other series that are even supposed to be good.

>>17850857
>Song of Ice and Fire.

>>17850857
>Second Apocalypse

>>17850857
>Lord of the Rings

>>17850857
>slim pickings

>>17850857
>I don't read YA stuff

>>17850361
OP has been awfully quiet since this post.

>>17849542
How does one go about writing pulp fantasy in the vein of Conan or Elric or Fafhrd? What work goes into the worldbuilding and such?

>>17850974
IM WOOOOOORLDBUILDING

>>17850974
>What work goes into the worldbuilding and such?
That's completely the wrong question. Pulp fantasy was serialized as short stories, this meant the world building had to take a back seat by necessity, because almost every individual story would happen in a different locale, so there was no consistency between them. I could not explain the political landscape of the Conan universe if I tried because it's simply never expounded upon in a significant way. Pulp fantasy is inherently character focused because the character leading it is the only relation between one story and the next.

>>17850974
>What work goes into the worldbuilding and such?
Forget this. Worldbuilding is a marketing term that's grown into a monster in its own right.
You didn't say "pulp fantasy in the vein of Hyperboria, the Young Kingdoms or Nehwon." Pulp fiction is about its central character and their adventures, the world is just the stage for them.

>>17851014
>>17851001
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
>>17850983
You're not 12 act like an adult

>>17850857
based and correct opinion pilled.

>>17850857
>that are even

Why is 'Isekai' so popular at the moment?
I hadn't heard about it a few years ago, and now it is everywhere.

Is there a good 'Isekai' I should read?
I've already read Narnia books, if they count.

>>17851586
>Why is 'Isekai' so popular at the moment?
Idiots like OP.

>>17851586
>Other precursors to isekai include portal fantasy stories from English literature, notably the novels Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1865), The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900), Peter Pan (1902),The Chronicles of Narnia (1950),[11] and A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court (1889).[13]

>>17851596
Whom are you quoting?

>>17849807
That's literally a copy of a European setting only instead of an interesting subject, it's a little girl in order to attract lonely coomers who are permanently trapped in a pubescent state of mental development with regards to the opposite gender. She is the idolization of the coomer's awkward early attractions, the endless replay of that doomed flower that rotted in the bud.

So yes, it is fantasy.

>>17851586
vast numbers of male virgins.

>>17849411
Probably.

>>17851625
Thank you for your service

>>17850282
Unironically the Earthsea books, specially the last ones

You fags asked about this book.
The rape wasn't bakker-esque. But the snowflake who left that comment is everything wrong with this sjw generation.

>>17851857
stop shilling ur self published crap

>>17851901
This is the second I posted it, faggot.
I finished the book a few days ago and now I'm telling the people who asked about it, what it's about.
I'm not going to write paragraphs upon paragraphs like the review anon. It was "okay", no explicit rape. Done

Go back to rebbit if you don't want people discussing books, faggot.
Neck yourself.

>>17851987
nobody asked about it, you are shilling it, because you wrote it

>>17851586
>Is there a good 'Isekai' I should read?
Fionavar.
You're done.

>>17852006
Newfag. Please an hero. Leave sffg now.
>>17805402

>>17852006
>>17851901
>STOP TALKING ABOUT BOOKS!!!!! NOOO REEEEEE!!!!!!!
what do you come here to do mate?

>>17851857
Is John Van Stry and Jan Stryvant the same person?

>>17852100
>>17852116
you wrote that post

>>17852140
I wrote this post, faggot
>>17852100
>>17851857

how will stannis baratheon win the battle of winterfell?

>>17850974
Take a man. Make a monster (or a monstrous man.) Oppose the two at some distance. Bring them closer together.

Genre specifics? Make your man noble, fit, and gifted in the conventional ways but with unconventional methods of applying his talents. Make your monster a miserable thing that should die for its own sake if not for the sake of everything around it. Worldbuilding? The world is a familiar one but with sprinkles of magic both whimsical and terrible applied sparingly, there for the finding for your hero who must look for them. Writing a story in general with a theme and a protagonist and a climax and a meaning? Good luck.

>>17852311
reddit the character, also he won't, but if he does it's cos of le holes in the ice and manderlys

>Xeno: Our race was doing great things while your ancestors were living in caves
>Me, part of a human species that has caught up to said xenos while they spent thousands of years dicking around: How is that an insult?

How the fuck do these dumbcunt xenos who spend years doing shit while my ancestors were busy farming rice thing stagnation is something to be proud about?

i want /tg/ to leave

>>17852518
I don't see why a /tg/-culture genre-fiction post would be a bad thing on a /lit/ genre-fiction general.

>>17852486
Plateau effect and law of diminishing returns.

>>17849608
I've been trying to give my story a sense of forward momentum while I write it. Heroes are always moving towards something, same as the villains. So it's not random fantasy names being thrown around with vague promises that the political maneuvering is going to end in bloodshed like it always does anyway. Is that a better approach?

Ignore the anti-Malazan spammer. It’s a great series. Years ago everyone on /lit/ had positive things to say about it but this one dude is tricking people into not reading it.

Started reading the Hyperion Cantos after not reading anything in years and Jesus in loving it.
Came to this board to ask for similar sci-fi recommendations but I saw the link in OP so thanks for whoever made that.

Also, Syfy announced they were turning the Hyperion books into a TV series back in 2015.
Seems like they put out a brief statement that it's still being developed in 2019, but really we have no details or timeline for it...
If it does come out, would you watch it? Or would it be a flop like the OG Dune adaptations?

>>17853941
hyperion cannot be adapted.
the followup fall of hyperion is good but a very different book, feels like hyperion is better off read as a standalone.
everything else by dan simmons is unreadable.

>>17853988
how did he mange to write such a good book once and produce absolute shit otherwise?

>>17854006
he wrote a good book solely by pulling together 6 mostly unrelated short stories, 3 of which are good, one is great, the other 2 are mediocre but elevated by association.
he tried to write one long novel in the followup and the parts of it that work are the parts that pull very hard from the original book, most of the revelations and twists are disappointing or insufficiently revelatory.
seems like it was mostly down to luck and having a few good stories in him, after that he kept going i assume out of habit and there just wasn't anything of value left in the tank.

Are there any other /sffg/ authors who understand women as well as Bakker? Nearly done with Second Apocalypse and I want something else in that vein.

Hello, does anybody have suggestions for feel-good and wholesome fantasy/SF literature that doesn't have any post-modernist appeals to subversion or deconstruction or general pointless grimdark edginess?
Examples of stories I liked:
>Tolkien's Lord of the Rings
>Dune by Frank Herbert
>Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn (both the new one and the old one)
>David Eddings' Belgariad and Malloreon
>Chronicles of Narnia by CS Lewis
>Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander
>Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom series
>Madeleine L'engle's Time Quartet

I recently purchased Eddings' Tamuli and Elenium based on suggestions from an anon on /lit/ a couple weeks ago, and those just came in the mail today.

>>17854233
just open porn hub and search for cuckhold.

Any good sf/f books about bounty hunting/mercenary work?

>>17854473
>mercenary work

>>17852360
>reddit the character
t. buttblasted assmuncher

>>17854251
I would have thought Dune was a prime example of that, albeit done well. A lot of what I noticed in Children and God emp. was Herbert discussing the political usefulness and malleability of beliefs, customs and traditions.

>>17854473
The Black Company

I just finished the Culture Series and the Foundation series. I'm next planning to read Dune. Does anyone have some good recommendations for books to read after that?

I was thinking Caves of Steel.

>>17854578
Dune seemed like a fairly standard bildungsroman to me though obviously with extreme fantastical embellishments.

Currently going through the 'Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-Earth' audiobook and boy is it boring.

>>17854712
Just wait until you read LotR.

>>17854251
My friend, you need some Jack Vance in your life.

>>17854720
Almost finished Fellowship actually and it was fine imo; mostly due to the songs and characters like Tom Bombadil.

>>17854735
And what specifically has Jack Vance done that is worth reading?

>>17854764
It would be simpler to tell you what not to bother with but! I will comply with your request.

Short story: The Moon Moth, 1961
Novel: Clarges/To Live Forever, 1956
Series: The Cadwal Chronicles, 1987-1992

These are my personal favorites but you can damned near start anywhere in his novels and hit on a winner.

>>17854764
not him but Most everything he wrote, but if you want fantasy go for lyonesse, if you want sci-fi the dying earth series is great ( but the demon princes is one of my favorite series) Be warned tho once you go vance you can't go back.

>>17854818
I have never heard of Dying Earth referred to as scifi

>>17854859
Well...it is but is isn't.

>>17854816
>It would be simpler to tell you what not to bother with but!
Please do - I would very much like to know what to avoid taking a chance on altogether.

>>17854818
I've read about Dying Earth and I don't think such an overwhelmingly depressing setting as that remotely fits what I asked for.

>>17849542
State Tectonics, Centenal Cycle #3 - Malka Ann Older (2018)
This entry hews more closely to the first book rather than the second, though without the problems of the first, mostly anyway. Almost every single character of any importance is a woman, and possibly every man is defined by his relation to a powerful woman.
Maryam, a minor character in the previous books, is the primary viewpoint. Mishima and Roz, the primaries for the first and second books respectively are relegated to secondary roles. Amran, a new character, is the fourth viewpoint. The four viewpoints are women, one with a small child, one who is pregnant and says for the entire book she could give birth at any time, a lesbian with intimacy issues, and a younger version of one of the viewpoints. Considering how it's gone, if there ever were another book, Amran would probably be the primary next. There are a couple of one-off viewpoints.
It's once again time for an election and voting integrity is imperiled. Disaffected members of Information are trying to interfere because that's sometimes what people do when they're disaffected. Disaffection is probably the primary theme of the trilogy overall. Each book is more cynical and skeptical of the system and society they live in, even though each of them are, or were, part of the establishment.
The biggest issue, though it wasn't one for me, is that everything exists to show off the social systems of the world. This isn't any different from the prior books, though the driving force for the narrative comes off as particularly thin with this one. While there are ostensible antagonists the conflict is mostly political maneuvering rather than outright conflict. What little physical violence there is, is almost entirely irrelevant to anything.
As with the first book, I thought the ending was too neat and simply resolved, but at least it was thematically appropriate and I was able to appreciate it. It could be argued this is a shaggy dog trilogy, but I didn't mind, because it was an interesting take on social systems that I enjoyed.
Rating: 4/5

>>17854901
>I've read about Dying Earth and I don't think such an overwhelmingly depressing setting as that remotely fits what I asked for.
I find it more comfy than sad. But it's not a post-modernist, subversive or edgy for the sake of being edgy, so I would say it fits.
If you think Lord of the rings, for example, is a feel good story then I would say dying earth fits.
Regardless the lyonesse is even more feel good and whimsical than any of what you described so if you want strictly that I would say go for that one.

>>17854816
>>17854901
>>17854735
Oh nevermind, I realize that you are trolling me by giving me exactly the opposite of what I asked for. I should not have expected better from a tripfag. Serves me right.

>>17854901
His shorter stuff is more pulpy because it literally was and he was more constrained by what would sell. I wouldn't bother with a short story collection to start. "The Grey Prince" is more of a polemic than a good novel. "Space Opera" is him trying too hard to be P. G. Wodehouse, I think. The Durdane series are melancholic but not dark; they are really good but given your request you shouldn't start here. The Demon Princes are all revenge tales so not strictly wholesome but once you've read Vance, you'll see what anon-kun and I mean with him fitting in with the tone of writing that you like. He was a principled writer.

>>17854945
Weird flex but ok. I myself have read and enjoyed everything on your list but Eddings but fuck me for trying, I guess. Asshole.

>>17854978
All hatred towards namefags is deserves.

>>17854553
reddit loves him because he's an athiest and tough but fair bro following the even though he's a hypocrite and bends the law when it suits him

>>17854945
>>17854992
This would sting except for the knowledge that your idiotic malice will prevent you from ever sharing the privilege of Vance's writing. My aplomb is restored.

>>17854978
>>17855014
>What are some feelgood wholesome fantasy/SF stories?
>Tripfag swoops in
>"How about these cynical tales of state-enforced euthanasia and the recreational rape and murder of children?"

>>17855025
>tales of state-enforced euthanasia and the recreational rape and murder of children
If you don't think this is a party You don't know how to live.

>>17855025
>guys pls spoonfeed me Wikipedia summaries where the plots cannot have bad guys
Why are you even bothering pretending you need wholesome writing when you're this shallow.
You fucked up on your assumption and you're doubling down on your rancor like a silly spoiled child.
Go read L. Frank Baum, you mooncalf.

>>17855068
>Go read L. Frank Baum
Was this supposed to be an insult? I can't imagine anybody being so insecure as to denigrate the Oz books, not even GRRM is so consumed by contrarian self-loathing as that.

>>17855133
No, it was a backhanded fulfillment of your request, you twit. You're about as deep as a coat of Mazda paint. Stick around; you'll fit right in. And go read some Vance, so you can apologize to me later for being such an ass.

>>17855147
>expecting an apology
You're an ass, not a donkey.

>>17855025
kek

>>17849608
Now i am curious, is there any book that's written in a such a way that it has nonstop action/adventures/fight scenes? Like an action movie?

>>17854473

I mean...

>>17855396
Glad you ask, anon, I’m a writer in /wg/ and unlike the rest of /wg/ I don’t write anime-inspired works. And I’m working on one that you will enjoy.

https://0bin.net/paste/PJ4rS+Ga#Hkyv8jUtZZxY0B2KXyB3TmI9S7mrjoT+mnVTY-MQONq

>And so did the pure fall upon the defiled. The surging boundaries of the Great Ordeal tumbled through the spare fringe of the leprous train. Wails and shrieks joined the triumph that rifled the starving sky, a chorus that grew in volume and density as the Holy Host of Hosts consumed more and more of the wretched column. The last remaining horsemen had hooked about the westward barrens to corral those Lepers attempting to flee, but the rotted mobs simply stood insensate as the bestial multitudes engulfed them. The air rang human and shrill.

dunno what i was expecting but it wasn't that

>>17855396
Anything by Edgar Rice Burroughs, especially Barsoom, though Pellucidar and Tarzan also count to a slightly lesser extent. Given that these novels were serialized, it makes sense. Every single chapter of the first three John Carter novels is a cliffhanger until the very final one where he finally gets his happy ending, and trust me after the shit they go through, they deserve it. There is virtually no time to relax, it is pretty much nonstop swashbuckling or travelling at speed to a place where one can buckle swashes.

To a lesser extent, the Chronicles of Prydain are similar, with very little time to pause and reflect and catch one's breath, although the standards of what constitute "action" in a fantasy for children over a Planetary Opera for adults are obviously very, very different.

“Call a jack a jack. Call a spade a spade. But always call a nigger a person of color. Their lives are hard enough, and it never hurts to be polite.”

― Patrick Rothfuss, The Name of the Wind

How did the publisher let him get away with it.

>>17855665
>(((Roth)))fuss
Guess

>>17855409
kek what the fuck my man, this reads like a infinitier jest

Got anything like Bloodborne?
besides Lovecraft obviously

>>17855892
Dracula

What happened?

Did Joe Abercrombie become a simp between this book and the last? Red Country was so great. What happened? OK, checking release dates, Red Country came out 2012, and A Little Hatred came out 2019. A lot of SJW nonsense happened in those years, and I'm afraid it has infected ol' Joe. At least, that's what I suspect. Can't say for certain, but the tone in A Little Hatred is a symptom of something.

Right, so Joe's books always had prominent female characters. And that was all well and fine. They were interesting enough characters in their own right. They had their own motives, their own flaws, their own character arcs. They contributed in their own way to the whole storym just like all the male characters contributed their own parts. They were pretty much how female characters are supposed to be written.

But A Little Hatred though. It just feels off. It feels like Joe was trying to sneak in a bunch of female empowerment bullshit. Many paragraphs were spent describing how amazing the two lead female characters are. How special they are, and how powerful they are, and how they defy gender stereotypes, and make otherwise powerful men cower to them, and how they deserve to be in power instead of the men who are always fucking things up, and how they're dominant in the bed room, and their lovers don't deserve them, and blah and blah and blah.

But not only are there two lead girls that get the empowerment treatment, there are a few supporting characters that get similar treatment. One is just this tough spy who is hyper competent and literally did everything perfectly the entire book. The second is a daughter who by the end of the book starts to take more charge of the family than her father. And the third is a brilliant military commander, who has the respect of all her men.

The two male lead characters are largely incompetent, and only serve to make the lead female characters look good. One of male leads gay, but he doesn't realize it. He suppresses his gay thoughts, but it's noted how he doesn't really get women, and is just mimicking how his friends act about women. But then later when the plot needs him to be attracted to one of the main female characters, suddenly he's enthused by the notion. Like, did Joe forget he was gay?

Maybe he didn't. See, here's the extra confusing part about this book. That fucking wizard and his servant are always meddling in everyone's affairs. And while I've forgotten majority of the first trilogy, I do remember that he has the abilities to manipulate people's emotional states. So with every scene that he's in, you have to wonder "is this character doing this by their own free will, or is the wizard cajoling them?" The wizard's exact motives are so mysterious, that you never know what he's manipulating and what he isn't. So who knows, maybe he forced the character to not be gay for a while. He was around after all.

>>17856058
I'm just disappointed that Byars hasn't broken the gate or whatever to unleash demon world again. Would be more exciting than the industrial revolution.

Newfag here, with questions. I like Fantasy but I've not read much Sci-Fi.
In particular I have never read anything from Asimov or Heinlein. I've some Philip K. Dick and found it ok. My favorite books are Tolkien's Children of Hurin, the Once and Future King by White, and Shakespeare's Richard II. I would venture to say I dislike "pulpy" novels. Are Asimov and Heinlein worth reading and if so what would you say are the essential or best representative works of theirs?

>>17856117
original foundation trilogy
do not read the others they are garbage

>>17856117
Outside of Asimov, read Arthur C Clarke: 2001, A space Odyssey, Childhood's End, and Rendezvous with Rama. Can't speak for his other works but those are must-reads IMHO

>>17856078
You mean Bayaz?
Did he do that before? I've forgotten like 95% of the first trilogy. So most of Bayaz's background and abilities lost to me. I with Joe would include some Bayaz PoV chapters, so I can get a refresher on what he's capable of and what his motives are. But I don't think Joe know what Bayaz is doing. He writes in these super vague scenes that hint at Bayaz's manipulations, and then jerks to the idea of an all knowing, all powerful mage.

But yeah, I too would prefer a little more magic. I don't mind the industrial stuff really. I just want more magic. Even the characters are becoming less fantastical. Like in The Heroes, you have a characters such as Stranger Come Knocking. This impossibly large giant of a man, who is so strong that he can crush your head by lifting you up to the ceiling.
But then in A Little Hatred, it's said that he was beaten by Stour Nightfall. A normal fucking dude who is just pretty good with a sword. Not even big guy either. Stour Nightfall is judged to be a little slight by Leo dan Brock. Which makes sense, considering Stour's father is also a slight man. And yeah, Stranger Come Knocking wasn't in his prime anymore. But he's still a giant of a man.

>>17856117
Asimov's short stories are much better than his novels
Heinlein is a bit schizophrenic in his politics, and every single one of his books is highly and explicitly political in a theoretical/philosophical fashion, but he'll play devil's advocate with every position under the sun.

>>17855892
Who Goes There?/Frozen Hell by John W Campbell
Stuff by Abraham Merritt and MR James possibly
Michael Crichton novels like Congo, Jurassic Park, or Eaters of the Dead if you're just in it for the gore and terror

>>17856117
Every Asimov story reads like a mystery, even the ones that aren't actually murder mysteries. There's always a conflict stemming from incomplete information, with that characters advancing in the plot based on how much they learn until they uncover the final twist that resolves everything. He can be dry and academic but there's always the core of a well-paced plot with a decisive payoff, and that's what I think make him fundamentally more readable than the other two of the "big three". Heinlein cares more about characters and theme but varies wildly in quality, and Clarke >>17856184 at his worst tends to focus on whatever neat science ideas he's had recently to the point of ignoring everything else about the story.

Anyone here read Monstress? It seems to be very popular in comic circles but I think it's so shit that it's making me question if reading mainstream comics is right for me.

I've seen heaps of praise for it but I can never find anything more detailed than
>1- The art is good
And
>2- the world building is good
Neither of which I agree with. Please elaborate if you can

I felt a similar way towards Saga, but to a much lesser extent.

>>17856216
You honestly believe anyone here is going to read a book by a woman, about a woman protagonist?

>>17856207
>>17856190
>>17856184
>>17856127
I appreciate the input. Still not sure what I will read next but I'm thinking on it.

>>17850633
read them a long time ago, all i can say without spoiling the story is that abercrombie is a "purveyor" of subverted expectations

>>17850857
>to be good

>>17850633
if i recall correctly The Blade Itself ends with sequel bait. Jezal gets sorted into an adventuring party archetype setting. Dropped the series right there.

>>17853658
not the trickster you are referring to, but malazan is a poor series; for readers looking for stories set in a similar vein without all the bloat, try black company by glen cook

>>17854473
fafhrd and the grey mouser, start with ill met at lankhmar

>>17855396
mask of the sorcerer, continuous action

>>17855491
How do you want your sranc burger?

>>17850857
>that are even

>Epic fantasy
Can it get more creative than pseudo-medieval, pseudo-gritty realism stuff?

>>17850010
This isn't demonizing anything though? You are allowed to not like things from other cultures, the only people who don't believe so are SJW fags who think everything is sacred.

>>17856486
That depends on how broad your definition of epic fantasy is.

What's your top 3 sff books?

>>17850393
If you hate vtubers you don’t need to be posting on any 4chan board.

>>17849542
I recently bought the 6 Dune books and I was wondering if I should give Foundation a shot as well. From what I found on the net it's pretty outdated and also pretty much a globohomo propaganda book. Basically the Redditor's contrast to the "problematic" Dune. I figured I'd ask here, anyhow.

>>17856852
Just read a fuckin book. Even if it's globohomo propaganda then you're certainly a big smart boy and will endure it.

>>17856852
You should also read Stanislav Lem's books, Bradbury, Burroughs, Zelazny, Harry Harrison, Simak, Karl Capek. Read the best the West had to offer in 20th century. Then read the best Russia had to offer, like Snegov, or Kir Bulychev, or many others I'm forgetting.

>>17856872
Lukianenko and Strugatsky. I remembered two more of Russia's sci fi authors.

>>17856876
Oh, and I forgot Larry Niven for West's sci fi.

>>17856852
>the "problematic" Dune
Poltards are brainless

>>17856879
Add Robert Asprin to the list, while I'm at it.

What's the most heartwarming childhood romance story you know of? I want to escape to my childhood when I actually had a sort-of pre-gf.

If human missionaries successfully preached and spread Christianity in its various denominations (Protestant, Orthodox, Catholic) to alien species, what would this "Xenochristianity" look like?

>>17857157

thoughts on Clark Ashton Smith?

>>17855000
but reddit hates him, because he is the competent male.

>>17856523
>Essentially makes up an overexaggerated "Viking" trait
>spend the whole fucking series shitting on it from different angles to the point it becomes the only driving force.
Look I liked vinland saga at first as well, but i just devolved into "Viking bad, conflict bad Viking want conflict and conflict bad, peace good".
It does no better job at depicting Vikings and how they were than that history channel series.
And it's clearly not better than "anything made in the west".

>>17855000
What law did he bent? Kneel faggot and ask forgiveness

>>17856058
Well... there is a reason people keep saying that reading modern fiction is painful.
Honestly if the book is made after 2014-2015 i just don't read it.
I like strong female characters, I have a fucking gentle femdom fetish for fucks sake, but the amount of vitriol and demagoguery put in recent books I just too much.
And this is coming form a guy who enjoyed part of the culture series quite a bit, despite it essentially just being a disguised dump pile for the creators ideology.

>>17856566
vtubers don't belong on 4chan newfag tourist subhuman. You don't belong among living either faggot.

>>17849824
It's an imageboard fagget

>>17856523
>viking bad
>trannies good

>>17857336
There's a reason that Lovecraft is the better remembered of the two.

>>17850974
World building in pulp has to be highly word economic. Of the original Conan stories Tower of the Elephant is probably the best example, but you could also look at Vance or Bramah if you want to get an idea of how to condense it right down

>>17857517
not executing all the traitors who sided with renly, who he explicitly states should have been executed but he needed them and rolled them into his army instead

>>17857336
absolute TRASH, only reason he's remembered or read is because he influenced lovecraft

>>17857997
CAS is way better than Lovecraft

>>17858005
his prose is awful and his ideas are inferior.

Is Bakker better than Wolfe?

>>17858005
Not at all. Lovecraft was a better horror writer and a much better science-fiction author.

>>17858026
lmao is this bait?

>>17858035
Saw him comfortably win the best sffg writers poll.

finished the first book of the Dark Tower series, when does it get good?

>>17858059
> thinking that brianlet retards, who are the majority in here, have any fucking taste.
Bakker and wolf are not even on the same level. If this is bait you got me. Tyr and read any of their books and you will see the stark difference between one of the best authors in the English language and some cuck with a torture fetish.

>>17857336
cas's zothique inspired vance's dying earth, not only in the idea, which was relatively novel, but in the stilted baroque prose, which is now the standard prose for all dying earth settings from nift the lean to rhialto the marvellous.

>>17858095
I would be inclined to agree with you but you have such a clear bias against bakker that I can't take your opinion in good faith.

>>17858171
Read both Bakker and Wolfe before they became /lit/ memes.

Wolfe is in an entirely different league than Bakker. He makes the latter look like college creative writing.

>>17858095
>>17858186
dimissing bakker as some cuck with a torture fetish just makes you immedietly non credible

>>17856216
Shouldn't you post this on /co/? Regardless I read the first volume and aside from Sana Takeda's art I found nothing worth mentioning. Liu is a repugnantly awful writer, and funnily enough it reads a bit like what I've heard said about R.F Kuang's The Poppy War i.e OP female protag, vaguely turn of the century Asian setting, antagonistic nation that are definitely NOT the Japanese that should be ethnically cleansed off the face of the Earth etc.
Also on Saga, I read 8 out of the current 9 volumes and it never got good, don't ask me why I stuck with it for so long but it's painfully subpar and wasted it's potential

>>17858206
seethe. I'm not even that anon who said that about Bakker. One chapter of Book of the New Sun is better than 90% of everything Bakker ever wrote.

>>17858186
Wolfe is shit and boring, there's nothing appealing about his pedo witting unlike Bakker who creates a world that grips you from the moment you start reading.

>>17858281
saddest bait I've seen in a while, go back to saying Lovecraft is better than CAS

>>17856058
keep skipping books with female leads
keep winning
seems aright to me

>>17858026
Possibly

>>17858281
>>17858206
>bakkerfags
Holy shit maybe you'd enjoy the words of brandon sanderson as well lol

>>17858281
>writting
Makes sense

>>17858473
He said witting, ESL.

>>17858482
That's an even worse misspelling then lol

>>17858541
You probably don't even know what it means lol

>>17858541
>blatant ESL
See?

>>17858260
I asked because it's probably the most popular current high fantasy comic and Saga is definitely the most popular (non-capeshit) Sci fi comic. I figured there was a good chance some people here would have read it

>>17858550
Well they were talking about writing, not "witting," which is technically a word you could say but makes no sense in context, and he clearly fucked up a word while defending Bakker's "writing," which is funny

>>17858560
Go back to discord

how will stannis baratheon win the game of thrones??

>>17858560
>>17858550
Is this bait or are you guys this retarded?

>>17855401
>God is war
They had one job...

Is /sffg/ looking forward to the new Cradle book in 2 weeks?

>>17858021
but his prose and ideas are still better then Lovecraft's
>>17858032
other way around

>>17855401
Honestly for all McCarthy shits on Latinos about it, Blood Meridian is absolutely "magical realism." If you like fantasy and you know anything about American history you'll probably like it.

>>17858744
Holden says that, or basically that, in the story.

> “They discovered their entire race damned.”

Imagine the stock market crash.

>>17858800
He says "war is god".

>>17849749
Try Pirate Freedom by Gene Wolfe

>>17858875
Imagine creating an anarcho communist utopia without earthly suffering only to discover that everyone who ever lived and ever will live goes to hell for eternity after death.

Real bummer. I wonder what happened to them after that. Their goal of reducing the number of ensouled beings per planet to below 144k is odd. The outside is everywhere, so why does a local number matter? And does that mean they genocided themselves first and only embarked on their big program afterwards? It seems hopeless, no matter how you look at it. To cleanse all the galaxies in the sky of life is impossible, but I guess they had nothing better to do than to try. You could argue it was a mercy to snuff out life asap, to reduce the number of beings that had to suffer eternal damnation.

Are there any fantasy novels that follow a tribe of "barbarians" in a magical world? Riding horses through the plains and/or living in their little farming communities, dealing with nearby empires, fiercely loyal to their kin and then to their clan, etc.?

With or without explicit scenes of heated outdoor fucking but I would prefer with.

>>17858966
That makes me wonder whether there is a narrative history of the Mongol Empire. Dan Carlin's podcast series about the Wrath of the Khans comes close, but is obviously not a book.

>>17858761
mite b cool
it'll be massively overhyped as always though, already #1 bestseller

>>17858956

I think 144k is just a made-up number to give them hope. Thinking in terms of evolution, were primitive Inchoroi infertile before their population reached this threshold? I don't think so. All inhabitants of that universe are SOL as shown by the Inverse Fire. The good ones go to a slightly gentler hell, being some gods' bitches, but still hell nonetheless. I wonder how Bakker is gonna resolve the question of damnation (if ever) without some serious Sandersonian shit.

>>17857073
Tom's Midnight Garden really impacted me as a pre-teen. I remember having dreams where I would be inside this massive empty mansion and there was a beautiful garden behind it, and I would go out there and there would be this beautiful girl and we would just play and talk for hours and hours, just because of this book. The ending really fucked me up bad though, I was absolutely devastated for days after I finished it.

>>17859158
>144k is just a made-up number
Um, no, LOL!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/144,000

>>17859075
>already #1 bestseller
In some microcategory, sure.

So what the fuck are whale mothers?

>>17858966
bakker but only the chapters with Cnaiur being a schizo

>>17859235

Thanks. You just proved my point.

>>17859252
Optimized femoids.

>>17859270
LMFAO! You still don't get it!

>>17859268
So I'm guessing it's depressing as fuck? I was hoping for something a bit more... Escapist where I have a family and we ride horses together and I think I might marry the girl from the next group over but we have to fight off the encroaching imperials first and either fight or form an alliance with the elves (or whateverthefuck) to the south.

Those kinds of vibes. Grand and a bit escapist and a little more hopeful than Bakker is from my memory (I read like a third of the first book in Prince of Nothing a few years back).

>>17859252
Probably the product of some sorcerous nonman shit (if the dunyain are emwama 2.0 theory is true).

Could the No-God beat the Yes-God in a fight?

>watching episode one of White Bull, the RQ:G actual play on Chaosium's official YouTube channel
>players have vowed to guard their chief through the night
>a spirit claiming to be Orlanth appears and asks one of the group, a devotee of Humakt (though of course someone who reveres the whole Orlanthi pantheon), to come with him
>he starts to do it
>GM asks, "Didn't you already swear an oath to stay the night? What would Humakt do?"
I paused it here to test my understanding of the lore. Based on the fact that Humakt literally left for a while right before the Gods' War because Orlanth used the sword Death to murder Yelm and Humakt thought just murdering someone was pretty cringe, I'm guessing the answer is "tell Orlanth to eat a dick?"

>>17859357
I meant to post this in the Runequest & Glorantha thread on /tg/ but fuck it. Glorantha is best fantasy setting.

Read King of Sartar.

>>17859347

Maybe

>>17858638
:'(

>>17852125
Fuck. It's the same person. He has some cat fetish. All his books have cat fucking in it. Why?

>>17857483
>I need to make shit up to be upset about

>>17859624
nice coping but that's the truth. If there is a reddit favorite that's Dany or Renly before he got cucked.

>>17859705
>Dany
Yuck.
>Renly
Based.

>>17858966
house of chains

>>17859705
no everyone on reddit hates renly and always has

I mostly only read sci-fy but I want to branch out. I enjoyed the first 3 seasons of game of thrones, should I bother with getting the books now or should i wait until it has a conclusive end?
I don't really like the idea of waiting for years on end to finish a story.

>>17859897
If you don't want to wait part of the way through, then wait until it's all out. Then you can also find out if the books shit the bed at the end like the show or not.

>>17859897
IMO the books are good enough where it's worth it to read, even if we never get another book. My enjoyment of the books wasn't the overall story or plot, but more so the individual character's stories, chapter to chapter.

If you liked the first few seasons of GoT then you'll very likely enjoy the first few books.

>>17849788
since when Latin-Americans aren't catholics?

>>17860329
They're converting to evangelicalism

>>17859897
Read xianxia

>>17860329
Hey favelabro, the proper phrasing is "since when are Latin-Americans not Catholics?"

Any English translations of Digital Devil Story? Or any works similar to this one?

>>17860589
Go easy on ESL-kun.

>>17860329
they turning protestant very quick

>>17860634
Proof?

>>17860661
literally google it you lazy cunt

>>17860572
no

>>17860602
Here you go, anon.
http://ddstranslation.blogspot.com/2006/08/introduction_16.html

>>17860693
Wow, over a decade old.

Loved The time machine. You gotta give classics a shot every now and then.

>>17860811
Alright, give me a reason to read it.

>>17859483
You don’t want to see cat cucking?

>>17860823
cute loli from the future

>>17860847
Alright, I'll read it. But not for the loli.

>>17860854
Nice

>>17860602
Shot like almost four decades old.

>>17858975
>Dan Carlin's podcast series about the Wrath of the Khans
That's pure pop history. Goes into zero actual detail.

>>17860867
>That's pure pop history. Goes into zero actual detail.
That's a shame.

>>17859363
>Read King of Sartar.
No

>>17849807
I agree.

>>17859221
Jesus, what was the ending, if it left you a mess.

>>17849749
Tales of the Ketty Jay series

>>17853658
>>17856327
If you want the Malazan experience in 1/100th of the time, just read a wiki for some fantasy series you've never heard of.

>>17860910
>Female Protagonist.

>>17860917
>Malazan experience
Who wants that?

New thread.

>>17860924

>>17859787
>>Renly
Based.
dilate

>>17860901
you are retarded
>>17849807
you are flaming faggot

>>17860922
Every person who is not a tranny

>>17860867
>That's pure pop history. Goes into zero actual detail.
Yes, this is the fiction general, not the history textbook thread.