/lit/ - Literature

>the thomas pynchon of gaming
I don't think so, jon

The Witness was based but what a cringe sentiment

>>17823172
agreed

>never made a good game
>gets praised by pseuds and fags

>>17823029
not really, I only play video games with my younger cousins. I don't really understand adults who play video games as a hobby, but whatever

>>17823029
Jonathan Blow is a massive pseud and Jai is objectively pathetic.

>>17823029
>We want the Thomas Pynchon audience

The most recent '/lit/' video I played was Disco Elysium and it was very good.

I can't enjoy most videogames now apart from paradox autism map simulators. Reading philosophy/history is more enjoyable

>>17823172
>>17823176
I think quoting the whole thing makes it tad less cringeworthy:

> “Gravity’s Rainbow isn’t holding your hand the whole way through to make sure you understood every paragraph. It’s exploring things it thinks are interesting, and if you can keep up, great. If you can’t, you can come back to it in a few years and see it from a different perspective. Games don’t seem to have that at all – and that’s part of what makes art deep and interesting. That’s what really interests me."

> As to the question of comprehension – will his million players get it? – Blow has no illusions. “I don’t want that to define my work. I don’t want to make games for Metacritic. I want to make games for people who like to read Gravity’s Rainbow.”

>>17823202
>Disco Elysium
i almost got memed into it until i saw it had a critical theory skill tree at which point i dropped the idea, not because i don't like critical theory, but because it just came off pseudy as hell, bought hades instead, still play it daily and love every minute

Napoleon Total War allows you to send tens of thousands of unwashed plebs to Hell in a single campaign. If that's not lit, I don't know what is.

>>17823202
Ok reddit

Hardly any games explore gamings potential

>>17823245
Hello

>>17823221
>critical theory skill tree
It's literally a single skill in a huge tree of other skills, like "Race Theory" and "Art Cop".

>>17823202
I tried that faggot game because I heard you could be a fascist. So I'm going along picking the fascist choices and it keeps asking are you sure you want to be a fascist? Are you sure you want to be a racist?

Yes motherfucker, representation matters to us too.

So I finally get to be a fascist and the in-game penalties are so severe that the game becomes unplayable.

>>17823265
don't care, not buying it, not playing it

they're kinda boring desu. I don't think video games can be art but they can make for pretty good sports sometimes. like 1v1 RTS games or fighting games.

>>17823029
Yeah, Doom just mindless killing. But I also enjoy some Jrps, only for fun.

>>17823208
Yeah you're right, and what he's talking about was the best part of the witness.

age of empire 2

>>17823208
yeh that's fair, blow seems like a tool from the couple years I followed him after braid (never played the witness but my brother did and I watched a little) but seems like not too cringe of a statement

>>17823368
empires*

I pretty much only play point and click adventure games

>>17823029
Why can’t fags realize video games are toys to play with your friends like shuffleboard or cards

>>17823319
i think some pvp shooter maps deserve recognition for great design too, but yeah the people who came up with the game mechanics for street fighter 2 and mortal kombat were brilliant, they both have different approaches but both were compelling enough that most of the kids in the arcade were "bilingual" and able to play both with high proficiency

>>17823416
that's why i stopped playing jrpgs as they became basically interactive anime, not engaging to me

>>17823029
The amount of hours I've dumped into runescape is quite frankly embarrassing, it's just about goal achievement

>>17823029
I think the merging of video games and opera would work very well.

>>17823493
ace combat?

>>17823029
Darkwood is horror kino

>>17823478
Kek me too

There's already a game for people who read Gravity's Rainbow, it's Disco Elysium. The only Pynchon-esque game

>>17823185
Braid was good

>/v/edditors shilling Reddit Elysium even on /lit/

>>17823427
Catherine is more like that but better

Think ive spent thousands of hours modding bethesda games. Such a fucking waste of time to make mediocre games slightly above average games

>>17823170
MGS 1-5 and Death Stranding are in reality Kino and /lit/ and more people need to see past this cultural meme and embrace the cultural meme of what Kojima is currently got for artistically, like how people have reappraised the prequels.

>>17823559
Catherine is kino , im excited for project fantasy

>>17823294
you sound like an unbearable faggot but it is retarded that you get punished for being a fascist cop since to be a good cop you have to be a fascist

>>17823665
MGS1-3, GZ are kino
MGS4, 5, PW and Death Stranding are cringe kino.

>>17823771
1-3 were based. 4 was shit, 5 was an incomplete mess but fun. Peacewalker was a good for a PSP game. Death Stranding was shit.

>>17823029
In general, very few games offer the literary experience that reading does. Video game faggots like to convince themselves of this, but in so doing, they almost always reveal that they dont fucking read, and that's why they believe that.
And I say that as someone who loves video games, they dont come close and they're not the same. Having said that, some games do offer the experience.
Red Dead Redemption 1, and GTA 4 are both good, thematic plots
Deus Ex is another
Heavy Rain also sticks out

video games are more about space than language, so i can't fault a game for not quite being there. rain world is as affecting to me as anything

>>17824041
Huh?

>>17824064
Some people who play video games insist that its "just as good" as reading from an artistic, brain-developing perspective and it isnt. Even most good video game plots are pretty superficial compared to even moderate tier literature.

>>17823619
Eh, nodded skyrim is pretty well above average, that shit is fantastic.

>>17823497
More like, it would allow a great emotional expression through the characters and game where normally video game character acting isn't the best.

>>17823029
I keep hearing about this little game called Baba is You. Is it any good?

>>17823029
I typically only play a video game when I have absolutely nothing to do and no ability or willingness to put effort into anything. Even reading takes effort because you actually have to use your brain. I also prefer vidyas over tv, which I hardly ever watch.
I like crpgs, because there's a lot of reading in them, and they have this sort of "choose your own adventure" thing going on with the dialogue options. Or strategy games.

Vids arguably rot the brain less than TV because at least you are interacting with it rather than just passively receiving stimulation.

>>17824084
what.

>>17824155
I like tycoon and city building games bc you're at least still training your brain on some management and strategy skills instead of "shoot bad guy BLAM" for six hours

>maker of braid
based. incredible little game, and indeed very /lit/

Play Space Station 13

>>17823029
Play Cyberpunk 2077

The story is really good. The whole point of the story is to make an analogy between the high school ethos of a badass, while showcasing it against the strict patterns of socioeconomic and political issues plaguing that age group.
Contrasted with Cowboy Bebop, where everyone is in their mid-twenties and acts way older than they should, this version of cyberpunk is much more palatable. I found it very easy to digest.

People no longer age normally, lives are expendable, excitement is inorganic and run on drugs. That's a hyperreal version of teenage youth. You go from being a hyper-cool teenage sprite to being a senior dropout that takes on a huge military building with a pistol and a guitar. How is it not a caricature of teenagers? It's basically the Sorrows of Satan with a more circumsized litotes.

The game REALLY is THAT artsy. It has a messianic message, a roman message, it has a Renaissance man, and a Renaissance theme, it approaches history with a classical perspective. The game's shoddy technical state juxtaposed against the impeccable artistic direction makes even more sense when you realize that the game/story/art director of CDPR (Adam Badowski) has a Master's in Philosophy, not Computer Science.

While brainlets will never get this game (it's unironically too smart for gamers), it's definitely the best story in the video game medium and may very well be the first game that truly is art & /lit/

>>17823294
Its a fair representation. Have you seen how the media and public treats right wingers? Wake the fuck up, game is only accurate by showing the struggle of being fascist.

>>17824182
>"shoot bad guy BLAM
It's an interesting little bit of psychology that many if not the majority of videogames, and almost always the best selling ones, involve killing things or violence generally.

>>17824205
Shit game but nice try shill.

>>17824205
no

>>17824136
Heavy puzzle game even worse than The Witness game in OP.

>>17824205
I'm actually kinda blown away how little people talked about the fucking story. I'm wondering if I'm going mad, or if it just flew over everyone's head, or what.
I mean you can give a lot of shit to the game for all kinds of major cokups from tech state, gameplay design perspective or whatnot, but damn the story, quests and setting are easily the best that CDPR has done so far. And again, I say that as someone who actually got the fucking point of TW1, which so far was actually their most serious story telling ambition.

As someone into the genre, Cyberpunk 2077 is amazing at being cyberpunk, way better than Deus Ex, Night City is the perfect cyberpunk shithole, it's a horrible place just like the Neuromancer, it takes onto Neuro rather than Deus Ex and Blade Runner.
You actually play as that scum from high tech low life, you interact with scum rather than fancy agents, you're deep into the shit and there's jo save the world, Deus Ex is pleb when it comes to this, there's only V trying to make it out alive.
Some players and anons hate the montage with Jackie but that speech tells you all you need.

it’s a game with grounded characters and good worldbuilding. It rewards paying attention to the little details and conversations. I think immersion is a two way street and whether you take it from a perspective of taking it all seriously or not makes a huge difference.

It hits a lot of emotional notes that really resonated with me. Because like Phillip Dick it’s a story not really about technology in its own right, but more about humanity and how we relate to each other and the various ways technology and other factors impact that.
P.1/2

P.2/2
I kinda guessed the rather grounded nature of the story may be a part of the culprit, but then again the game's story presentation is absolutely fucking stellar (to a point where I wonder if they did not really blow up too much budget on shit like minor animations during story-interactions), and has plenty of "epic bad-ass" moments too, so I would assume it's not too inaccessible.
I feel like people LITERALLY just did not realize the core dillema which the game is like fucking nailing into your head. Which is: Where do you begin and where do you end: What are the boundaries of human personality.

I guess the ending is pissing a lot of people. I haven't gotten the rest of the story spoiled yet, so I don't know the details, but I do know the "nature" of most endings, and honestly again, I have already guessed so from the Helman dialogue.
But I can't for the love of me figure out how could anyone fucking think this story is "generic" and less interesting than the studios previous works.

This game is like ketamine videogamified. It's unlike any other video game story to date, and easily blows the fuck out of actual movie games like TLoU or RDR1&2. WITOUT being a movie game&in fact being the most gameplay heavy AAA title in years.

The story features a literal dissolution of your personality. Kino

>>17824212
literally every single person except a few /v/ contrarians agree that the story was the game's strongest point and one of the best stories in gaming

IMO the best story in gaming

>>17824205
Yeah I feel like it got dumped on excessively. The ending especially is good, they seemed to put half their effort into it almost. The Arasaka ending in particular is a Sisyphean masterpiece. Videogames always try to end with a big explosion but this actually has the patience to so the user the true meaning of corporate indentured servitude.

>>17824182
>fighting ennemies is brain dead
Most retarded take I've seen on /lit/. Play challenging game, woman.

>>17824242
Hello brother, have a racist day

>>17823029
I always wanted to make my own game but the dev process requires you to be a jack-of-all-trades if you go indie, or to just be loaded and pay others to do everything.
As for a /lit/ game: Rule of Rose is pretty good. Mechanically I think it's shit and wasn't play-tested before released, but the story and atmosphere are top-notch. It could loosely be compared to Lord of the Flies but with girls instead. I think the director of the game said his inspiration was a fear of girls and their vindictiveness when he was a child.

>>17823319
>I don't think video games can be art but they can make for pretty good sports sometimes. like 1v1 RTS games or fighting games.
that's not sports because it displays nothing sublime about the human physical condition. it's just masturbatory nerd crap.

>>17824242
City builders are infinitely more challenging than any FPS
and i play FPS sometimes I just recognize that I'm not doing anything too developmentally good when I do
Maybe response time/reflexes but not much else
>play hard game or you are like woman
Bro, wait are you telling me you pwn mad n00bs? Oh fuck I'm fucking scared are you Vin Diesel?
Pussy faggot

>>17824136
It’s a very clever puzzler, but not at all literary.

the only people i know who play video games are depressed young guys and millennial losers who will never ever grow up.

>>17824280
Chess is a sport as well faggot, sorry to break it to you but the term is broader than you thought.

>>17824311
Interesting take senpai; and, to which of the two factions do you belong?

>>17824280
Did you ever play one of those games? It's one of the best intellectual "sport" humanity ever invented.

>>17824285
>infinitively more challenging than any FPS
Wrong, city builder are purely based on knowledge, while FPS games are based on both knowledge and executing. You're thinking something with high skill floor also has a high skill ceilling, which is not true.

>are you telling you pwn mad n00bs
I am not even telling you to play a multiplayer game, just something more engaging than your average CoD.

>>17824205
>>17824217
Go back to /v/eddit you Keanu Reeves worshipping troglodyte.

>>17824230
If the "best story in gaming" is nothing more than genre fiction from the 80s then the medium has a lot of evolution to go through.

>>17824317
neither, obviously.

>>17824285
Most devs have to dumb down the AI in FPS games because it becomes too complex for the average player to form strategies fast enough. FEAR had this problem when it was being developed. The genre could be a lot more if devs didn't care about filtering.

>>17824324
It depends on the city builder/resource manager. the ones that incorporate some level of RTS also require more skill than pure knowledge, like Anno.

>>17824041
Heavy Rain is one of the worst games ever made.

>>17824324
Also dude I'm not a casual I dont even like CoD, but in general FPS games are sloppy pieces of crap that they perpetually sell to twelve year olds.
There are some stand outs but in general the genre is grugbrain tier and simulation games/resource managers/city builders are more complex.

>>17824353
Plot wise I remember it being pretty good. What makes you say that? It does have ultimately zero replay value, I do remember that. I played that shit like, nearly a decade ago tho.

Currently playing Sekiro, it's pretty neat, not "literary" at all though.

>>17824313
>Chess is [headcanon]
Done.
>>17824324
>Did you ever play one of those games? It's one of the best intellectual "sport" humanity ever invented.
So the mountain dew guzzling gamer says.

>>17824384
Cope all you want retard. The Olympic Committee has recognized chess as an actual sport.

>>17824326
Not an argument

>>17824390
The Olympic Committee also wants to remove wrestling so shut the FUCK up.

>>17824375
I haven't played it since it came out but the plot, story, and characterization is an absolute fucking mess.

Just look at this ending https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw8vIKGUrFc (5:55 if it doesn't start there) Madison tells Ethan she wants him to put a child in her after knowing him like a week, it's psychotic but played as loving.

>>17823319
>like 1v1 RTS games
The moment the genre shifted to competitive is the moment RTS died. Fuck Age of Empires, fuck Warcraft, and especially fuck Starcraft. You people are exactly why Moba is even a thing.

all video games are inherently fascist

>>17823294
You haven't played it. The game rewards and "punishes" fascism as much as any other ideology. And by punish I mean makes fun of you. You'll literally get called boring if you pick all the generic goody two shoes answers

>>17824421
Lol. Ok I see what you mean.

Disco Elysium is tripe. Here's a game with actual artistic merit.

>>17824377
Sekiro is practically a minimalist Bhagavad Gita. Can't go into explaining that without spoiling you though. can't remember if /lit/ has spoilers

>>17824410
Wrestling is faggot shit so I don't blame them.

>>17824447
>can't remember if /lit/ has spoilers
That's it, I'm convinced a couple of discord faggots are coming in here making these threads.

>>17824453
Keep backpedaling.

>>17823029
>Are there any video games you approve?
No.

https://youtu.be/4eZSP4uh2uI

>>17824447
I've played the game before when it came out, this is third run through. You can explain it since i've never read Bhagavad Gita but I do have a grasp on Sekiros story.

>>17824436
Yeah, the whole game is filled with shit like that, it's nuts.

>>17824370
They're not, most of them start simple enough and for those that are somewhat complex you can read wiki and get most of the skill you need from that.

You can't get good at FPS simply by reading about them.

>>17824528
You cant get good at Anno simply by reading about it either if you play at high difficulty
You cant get good at Starcraft just by reading about it
I dont like starcraft at all but its valid

>>17824433
I did play it. Didn't make it far before I literally couldn't progress any further because of the handicap given. Maybe there was a workaround, but I didn't have the patience to figure it out. Too much empty, pretentious text in the game anyway.

>>17824479
Aside: play this during your next shower.
Dance bastards, dance.

>>17824558
Starcraft and Anno are strategy games, not city builder/simulation games.

>>17824845
Anno is a hybrid between city building and RTS

>>17823029
I'm playing Mad Max and I approve of it.
>>17823170
Worthless hack.

>>17823520
>>17823478
post stats

>>17824487
Sekiro is the Bhagavad Gita but for the Kali Yuga. Instead of an avatar of Vishnu the Preserver, you're getting an avatar of Shiva the Destroyer (Kuro), while the Wolf is Arjuna. Everyone who's trying to preserve (become immortal) is a bad guy. All endings have Ashina being destroyed, the good ones only differing by how deeply immortality is being removed from the world.

There's also something else there about the Wolf. His father gave him his skills, and also broke him. Obedience to dogma (Obey the Iron Code) is punished with the loss of all connection to transcendence (the Wolf in the Shura ending, losing his last threads connecting him to humanity and becoming a demon). Inverting the Brothers Karamazov, you spiritually get away with killing your father, but not with obeying him. The Fountainhead Palace is a ruin, and the Divine Dragon is decrepit. The only connection to divinity is Kuro, a lamb not in the least troubled with sending a Wolf to kill countless in his name. Such are the spiritual influences men feel in the Kali Yuga, feeling the necessity that this civilization, in spite of all its material might, must fall, while simultaneously feeling only death in the old ways.

It's a theme Miyazaki's been developing for a while. In Dark Souls he was optimistic, the link the fire ending being triumphant, while in Dark Souls III barely anything happens in that ending. Gehrman exhorts you to accept your death, though Bloodborne is touching on different matters (there's more of the 19th century on it than the aesthetics).

Looking at the trajectory, I don't think Elden Ring will have an ending where the ring gets fixed. If it does, it will be a bad one.

>>17823029
Make a beautiful graphics of ancient greece,((mmo)) RPG. Play as Plato, Socrates, Oracles, etc

>>17823221
Filtered.

>>17824205
The set up for the main story, and the endings, are amazing, everything else kinda sucks

>>17823029
the witness was a shit game even though the puzzles were good.

>>17824268
How yonic

>>17823665
MGS is mentioned in Bleeding Edge

I grew up as an RPG nerd and always got into the plot of video games, and I still play vids nowadays or if I need to multitask watch internet people play games for me.
I like to think watching all those stories over the years come together helped me write better.

I play Rimworld, Lototomy Corporation/Library of Ruina, which are Korean and bear a great amount of Kabbalah and literary references, and, Hunt Showdown, STALKER, the occasional 40k game like Battlefleet Gothic 2. Really strategy games, sin
>>17823493
I believe you are unironicaly looking for >>17824440

>>17823221
Hades is an abomination for making Patroclus a nigger. You ought to be ashamed.

>>17823170
fpbp

>>17825726
Doesn't look black

>>17824230

>>17823029
I can't do any games that are heavy on story. I just play Monster Hunter and Paradox games over and over again.

I always thought Bloodborne was a fantastic experience for a game, but I've played it so many times it's lost all it's wonder.

>>17823170
>meme hack
Seems accurate

>>17823029
/lit/ approved vidya:
Pathologic
Planescape Torment
I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
Deus Ex
S.T.A.L.K.E.R
Morrowind
VTMB
Bloodborne
The Witcher
Silent Hill 2
Disco Elysium
Return of the Obra Dinn
American McGee's Alice
Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth
Amnesia: The Dark Descent
Soma
Metro 2033
Spec Ops: The Line
Bioshock 1
Kotor 2

Never seen a /v/ thread on another board that's this good, impressive. Highly recommend Final Fantasy XII by the way.

>>17825979
Fantastic recommendations for the most part, especially Soma and KotOR2.

>>17823029

>games for people who read Gravity's Rainbow

So no one will play them, but everyone will pretend they did at cocktail parties?

>>17823553
>Blow's incel diary

>>17825979
Stalker isn't particularly lit, PST is overrated and you've neglected The Talos Principle and Arcanum.

>>17823558
It's not surprising, there are a lot of marxist wannabes around these here parts.

>>17826514
STALKERs story isnt very literary, correct. The atmosphere, however, is.

>>17825979
As someone who doesn't play much vidya and is open to giving them a try, what makes these games /lit/-approved?

>>17825627
in what way? that's cool

>>17824981
Oh fuck off

Baldur's Gate and Dark Souls are not bad. Thief series has some nice cutscene quotes. Assassin's Creed is also not bad.

>>17824427
they're video games they don't matter retard

>>17824268
walkthrough vids look pretty neat for a 2006 game. those girls are fucking creepy.

Games will only be comparable to literature once they give up on graphical fidelity, and rely on the user's ability to extrapolate detail from stringent environmental details. The other flaw is people thinking games either "need" or "totally don't need" story, which is somewhat true for the latter case, but it doesn't mean games don't need good writing. Developers need to consider the lack of time-space inherent to the medium, and develop settings. Dark Souls is a good example, but the game is still hampered by midwit bloodlust, and excessive graphical detail.

>>17824710
>couldn't progress any further because of the handicap given
Are you the faggot who complained about the game a few weeks ago and got filtered by fucking Disco Elysium?
A game where failing is very much part of the course of the game.
Violitionlets man, when will they learn.

Vidya are literally 3d books

how can I stop playing videogames bros

>>17823410
Basado

>>17823029
>Are there any video games you approve?
Why are you so desperate for our approval

>>17823029
Miyazaki, Kojima and Ueda made games that are pieces of art for me - and they are pieces of art in terms of what you experience through gameplay. A lot of games are just poorly designed and with no ideas: these three intertwined narrative with gameplay. The main problem I see with videogames trying to be art is that they try to be interactive movies, i.e. to depend upon cinema to be an art - but clearly, a videogame is not a movie, and if you make a game you can't make a Tarkovsky movie. They simply aren't the same thing. Game can be art if they focus on making art out of their own specific feature, i.e. interactivity. Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, MGS V, Death Stranding, Dark Souls all achieved that. They are games where you get to reflect upon your gaming experience, rather than the story itself. I think as consoles become more powerful, making stuff lik RDR2 where you can do everything will become less and less relevant. The focus is already shifting towards game design, where the idea on how to play the game makes the game interesting, and possibly artistic. The medium really isn't that important, as long as you use it well.

I don't know if videogames could be art, but for sure some of them can give strong emotions, aesthetical sensations and teach you something. Currently I'm playing Victoria II and I'm really enjoying it. Like Factorio, another game I love, I appreciate it does implant in me a way to think that could be useful. Of course it something abstract, but it's the same feature that books give.

>>17826582
I dislike a few on his list but I'd rate his taste 8/10 but I'm not typing any more

>>17823029
>>17824440
Pathologic, no other games come close to being really artsy without being trite.
Make sure you play HD, and all three of the character routes before you play 2; only brainlets who never finish the first game think that 2 is a remake and not a sequel.

>>17827360
Even if a game isn't real, the interaction that you have with them, and your emotional response is real-- it's like a conversation between you and the developer, much like how a book turns into a dialogue between the author and the audience

>>17823029
Only games I can think of are Pathologic 1 and 2, and maybe The Void.

"Yes, he is ugly and incoherent enough, lets make him an icon. BURGERS??"

deus ex
system shock 2
vampire the masquerade: bloodlines
prey
thief 1/2
fallout new vegas
and underrail
are all very good games that /lit/ users might enjoy
pathologic however is one of the best pieces of art i have ever experienced and everybody in this thread should be tied to a chair and forced to play all 3 routes. i havent played pathologic 2 yet though.

>>17828141
Add Elder Scrolls to the list. There's even hundreds of books to read in the games that expand the lore.

Sounds like I need to play Pathologic.

I haven't played many games, but Soma, What Remains of Edith Finch and the Dark Souls & Bloodborne series were all fantastic games I think everyone should try.

>>17828152
but is the lore any good? ive never played an elder scrolls game, been wanting to get around to it for some time. where to start?

>>17827723
I really need to finish Pathologic

>>17828169
Not him, but the lore in Skyrim is actually really cool. I'm not that fresh on it, but there's something along the lines of an Elven supremacist group that captures their government and begins to pose an existential threat to the human Empire. They fight a war to a stalemate, and one of the peace conditions is that an important god to the Nords (people of Skyrim) can no longer be worshipped. This causes a civil war in Skyrim between the Nord separatists, led by the charismatic Ulfric Stormcloak, and the Empire, who are trying to keep their fraying coalition of humans together against the rebuilding Elves. There's even evidence in the game that Ulfric Stormcloak is an unwitting Elven plant, and that the civil war was fomented and being prolonged by the Elves to mortally weaken both Skyrim and the Empire.

Not exactly high lit, but it's fun to read about nonetheless.

>>17828169
Not him but I'm so very glad you asked. The games' plots are very distinct so you can play them in basically any order. And despite what pseudo-hardcore /v/ermin will tell you, almost all of them are worth playing; the only genuinely bad Elder Scrolls game is Arena. Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim are the "modern" ones and are all fantastic, though Oblivion is the weakest of the trio.

Elder Scrolls lore is some of the deepest and most complex of any fantasy setting, and certainly the deepest in all of vidya. I'm pretty sure /tg/ still has weekend TES lore threads. The series' mythology is heavily influenced by Buddhism and Hinduism, and the guy behind much of it (Michael Kirkbride) is a big fan of psilocybin so the influence of that definitely shows up. The ingame books are often heavily biased to their authorship, so cross-referencing and research is needed to decide what is actually true, and because of the way the setting works what is true is determined by what is believed to be true, sorta. There are a lot of esoteric concepts involved that can't be properly explained without a lengthy discussion.

>>17828214
You're not wrong but then there's the part about how the Thalmor seek to negate Talos worship because he was a Man actually three people - Wulfharth, Hjalti Earlybeard, and Zurin Arctus that used the process of Mantling to attain divinity and so is an aspect of Lorkhan whose Heart is required to keep the flow of Time moving because it serves as an anchor to Akatosh's own Tower, and by unmaking Talos they would be able to take a first step into unmaking Lorkhan and thus reducing time from a river to a still pond to allow the Altmer to return to their pre-creation status of essentially liquid consciousness.

>>17824710
you're too retarded to figure out a toy

>>17823170
This.
In that interview Blow he basically say "well Gravitys Rainbow is hard, so I want a game that is hard." It honestly feels like he just namedroped it to sound smart and probably hasnt even read it. MGS2 on the other hand is actually Pynchonesque in its themes about control, modernity, information and technology, and Kojima does this without constantly trying to impress the player by shoehorning in random quotes from philosophers that have nothing to do with the actual game the way that Jonathan Blow did in The Witness

>Are there any video games you approve?
Beautiful games (Anno 1602 and Simon the Sorcerer), games with enjoyable movement mechanics such as flight simulators and exploration games (Zelda, Metroid Prime) in general.
Sadly the trend of the last fifteen years have been movie games and games that are based on getting dopamine by having gotten another upgrade.

>>17828244
Pretty big Gnostic influence in them too.

>>17823294
>Yes motherfucker, representation matters to us too.
top fucking kek
>boo hoo waa waa this videogame is making fun of me for being a retarded wignat boo hoo
youre not gonna save us from your boogeyman like that buddy, try roleplaying on discord if you cant make it through a videogame

>>17828244
I think newbies should always start with Skyrim. It's easier in difficulty, mechanics and navigation. There's references to Oblivion and I assume the others too, so if by the end the person is curious, he can proceed to the others.

>>17828307
He has read it. He's read more books and watched more films than all of /lit/. Look at his insta, guy is always reading something

>>17828307
>It honestly feels like he just namedroped it to sound smart and probably hasnt even read it.
this reveals more about you than you think

Thought about making a chart for /lit/ vidya but I have a few vidya charts that essentially serve the same purpose.
Here's 1/4:

>>17828374
post more

>>17828374
2/4

>>17828374
>>17828386
3/4

HA! O' MAYNE! IT'S YA BOY SOULJA BOY TELL'EM! AND DEY GOT THIS GAME RIGHT?! FOR PEOPLE WHO SMOKE, OR PEOPLE WHO DRINK - LIKE IF YOU DRINK BEER AND YOU GET DRUNK, OR IF YOU SMOKE WEED AND YOU GET HIGH, AND YOU JUST...ANYTHING! IF YOU IF YOU JUST BE GETTIN FUCKED UP (HAHA)!!! DEY GOT DIS GAME RIGHT?! I DON'T KNOW, ITS CALLED BRAID...HEY WATCH THIS SHIT! ITS ABOUT THIS LITTLE GUY IN A SUIT AND HE WALK AROUND - IT AIN'T EVEN GOT NO POINT TO DA GAME, YOU JUST WALK AROUND JUMPING ON SHIT...IT LOOK LIKE MARIO IN DA FUTURE...ITS MARIO IN A BUSINESS SUIT WITH HIS HAIR DYED ORANGE

>>17828374
>>17828386
>>17828389
4/4

Here are some games I think are /lit/

Dark souls 1,2,3 and Sekiro
MGS 1-5 and Death stranding
Stalker cop and soc
Deus ex
Disco elysium
Final fantasy X
Persona 3 FES and 4
Dark cloud 2
Odin sphere
Morrowind and Oblivion and even Skyrim to a degree
Fallout 3 and NV
Half life 1 and 2
Portal 1 and 2
Ico and SOTC
Amnesia
Resident evil 4
Silent hill 2 and 3
Devil may cry 3
Bioshock

>>17823029
jonathon blow is the literal embodiment of cringe and that's exactly what makes him so powerful

>>17824205
>>17824217
>the story
A game with a good story and poor gameplay is just a novel with cool graphics. Honestly, nobody gives a fuck about the story: the point is the gameplay. If the gameplay is shit, a good story won't save the game. Also, both literature and movies are vastly superior when it comes to storytelling.

>>17823547
but DE sucks

>>17828424
>Fallout 3
I very much disagree, and this is coming from someone who likes 3. I want to hear why you think so, though.
>Resident evil 4
Also want to hear your thoughts on why this is /lit/ as well. RE4 feels essentially like a B-Movie made into a game to me. Maybe I missed something about it, however. Either way it's a great game, I just don't see the /lit/ quality to it.

>>17823771
2 is cringe and is only loved by faggots

I mostly play games from my childhood like Sonic and Mario or games that mimic that kind of platformer gameplay, such as a few indie games and fangames. Had a moba phase but I grew tired of it. I don't really play much nowadays.

>>17826973
Not at all. They're interactive flicks.

>>17828424
>Devil may cry 3
I love DMC but this is just wrong. Naming characters from Divine comedy don't make you /lit/, the series is cheesy as hell.

>>17828409
Witcher 1 is more atmospheric than Witcher 3 but I don't expect nu-/v/ to know it.

>>17823029
Last of us part 2 was pretty good.

You are a bunch of plebs always name dropping the same reddit approved shit

>>17827114
Turn off the device you use to play it.

>>17829069
did you even 1cc these, poser?

>>17829222
Yes, I am even on one of the super dvds

>>17829069
I don't know how people can play shmups let alone 1cc them, they're so fucking hard, I think you need to be naturally good at dodging stuff to play them.

Inquisitor. There's a lot of reading and even the most mundane items have lengthy lore descriptions to them.

>>17828905
Witcher 2 is better than both but you're a faggot so I wouldn't expect you to know.

>>17823208
Completely fair assessment desu. Dude is defo a bit of a tool but braid and witness were p. based games and he's got good vision, i give him that.

>>17829365
Witcher 1 has the best atmosphere in the series but you are a retarded zoomer so I won't expect you to know.

>>17829432
doesnt matter when all the backtracking and the drowner swamp ruined it

>>17823029
Majora's Mask and Yumi Nikke are pretty /lit.

>>17829878
Never said it was better, infact gameplaywise it is just above clunky garbage.

Someone suggest me a good game, and I'll play it right now