/lit/ - Literature

For what purpose? He has zero practical advice to offer anyone.

You notice the Junger guy has a little fan club because he actually posts quotes from Junger and even uploads of Junger's writings? Why don't you try that? Instead of starting every thread like this, start with a quote and some discussion of it to get people interested. He has books other than Decline, you know. Hour of Decision, Man and Technics. You have lots to choose from. People who like Spengler will actively avoid a meme thread like this because the content is irrelevant when the form itself is puerile.

>>17773803
The Audiobook of decline of the west is 55hrs. I need to prepare myself.

no

>>17773816
Based Spengleranon. What do you suggest I read? I've read Man and Technics, but have Hour of Decision and Prussian Socialism lying around.

>>17773815
>practical advice

read a self help book lol

>>17773803
Read Alfred Rosenberg instead. The allies literally murdered him for writing a book.

>>17774454
Definitely an impressive looking book. I hope it's not unreadable esoteric nonsense like The Ultimate Avatar.

>>17773815
Go back to cleaning your room.

>>17774386
>>17774586
> can’t understand that some people aren’t yet infected by the appeal to address grand world theories that have no bearing on your actual life
So when will you be organizing your rally to fight climate change or stop racism? Or I guess you’ll be out picketing for the new Caesar or something...

>>17773803
Can someone fill me in on the content of DOTW? I started it and didn't really get that far because I have no idea where he's going and it's super long. Is it mostly a series of unbiased observations of European history and modernity? Is it political in nature or is that just Imperium? I know he's somewhat of an nrx fag, does any of his philosophy seep through the rest of this book or is that just his other works? Is there really much it even offers?

>>17774544
The problem with this kind of book is that if you manage to read a different kind of opinion than the predictable standard "nazi racism hitler baby eating cannibal six million evil book" that you can find on Wikipedia, reddit, or /his/, you are likely to get uncritical praise from RWs, who are the only people who would be willing to give it a fair judgment. It's very hard to find objective criticism on something like the Myth.

>>17774544
Ultimate Avatar isn't unreadable, nor nonsense

>>17774544
It's definitely not unreadable. Rosenberg was a cynical realist who had no time for mysticism.

Great Spengler quote from Man and Technics

>>17774809
>Goyim you have no future, it will all come down, everything you do is pointless, just stay the course and don't fight back against us
Funny how everything (((they))) say to us is negative and demoralizing.

Where can I actually buy a physical copy?

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>>17774361
Prussian Socialism after man and technics, then on to decline and hour of decision I'd say.

>>17775192
Thanks anon, what's a good translation/edition for Decline? And what's your take on Hour od Decision?

>>17774654
I was going to reply with a random paragraph from my pdf, but the one I found was pretty reasonable. Perhaps I will try to read it again.

>>17775243
Good stuff, you've probably grown since then and read more. Do remember it's part 2 in a series of 3, it builds off of The Golden Thread.

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>>17773816
Isn't this the depressing truth? That these authors works aren't and end, not an answer, but just more questions to make clubs around, so that people can 'be something'. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe teamwork is the way to the answer.

>>17773803
I don't like German writers, they always come off as patronizing and know-it-all assholes

>>17773803
i am
rn

>>17775159
he was right
maybe you will accept this in 30 years when it will be undeniable even to you

>>17774544
Don't bother, It's fucking retarded. He talks about how every civilization was founded by aryan vikings from Atlantis. I'm not kidding.

>>17776603
That's what white people actually believe though

>In the modern theory of the will one find the entire formal language of electrynamics
>Only dreamers believe in an escape. Optimism is cowardice.
>rather a short life full of deeds and glory rather than a long one without content.
>act as though your maxime ought to become trhough your will general law
>not the created "effects", but the creating "takes on"
>The word capital denotes the centre of this thinking, not the notion of the values, but that which keeps such in motion
>the machine is of the fevil
>the limit of art, as of the spirit, is the mortal enemy of the will to power.

>>17776603
There's more historic (and especially mythological) evidence for it than against it in all fairness

>>17776603
>>17776971
Yes? That's because it's true.

>>17776998
Big if true

>>17773816
Decline is his worst work

>>17774608
Life cycle of Civilizations. You'll see how things are tied to the culture, even mathematics.

>>17773803
Fuck off.

>>17773803
https://www.leesspengler.nl/videocolleges/

for the dutch fags

>>17776603
I bet you're an effeminate scrawny male in real life.

>>17776603
He never said that

Shut up, Schwert. Nobody cares.

sex gifs

>>17780069
I care.

>>17774544
>>17774454
>>17774629
It's a pretty keyed-in work, he really saw the course of history at the time. But it's also packed to the gills with a sort of small-souled
>waaaaaah, all of history is just everyone being MEAN to GERMANY for NO REASON waaaaaah
kind of butthurt you find among Euros. The Nazis had a certain energy and vitality to them, and at times it feels to me like it comes dangerously close to a certain kind of low-nationalism that sees all of history as nothing more than bickering with some other ethnicity over twenty square miles of river valley on the border. It's a sort of high-time preference nationalism, focused solely on the "us vs them" of tomorrow rather than having any sort of conception of race or blood or ethnicity or soul or group-being as a sort of enduring thing.

It isn't always like this, but again, it comes close to it. It raises the worry that the Nazis would have gone from
>WE WUZ HYPERBOREANS so lets catalog the precise variations of the human body across the world to better understand the DEUTSCHE VOLKISCH SUPERIORITY
to
>WE WUZ HYPERBOREANS therefore all of history is about fighting with the french for a turnip field, FUCK YOU RUSSIA

To put it another way, the sort of mentality I'm being critical here is one that, if Germany were picked up and dropped on some alien planet with no other humans or intelligent life, would result in Space-Germany just sitting on its hands and not doing anything with the treasure-trove placed before it, but instead just endless butthurt over no longer being able to bicker with the French of Alsace-Lorraine.

All declinism is projection and cope.

>>17773803
But I'm not well-read enough just yet to get him.

>>17780605
Go check out a Pleiadians thread on /x/ and you will be ready.

>>17780533
That's a lot of ressentiment in your post

>>17780464
I don't, and that's what matters.

You can't make me :3

>>17774338
based

mfw reading DOTW and have ~100 pages left

>>17781316
Would you say it is worth it? Did you gain anything out of it? I have it in my shelf and started reading it several times but never managed to truly take it seriously.

>>17781316
What do you think of it then faggot?

Go on, give me a summary and your opinions on it if you've ACTUALLY read it.

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>>17773816
>Junger guy
who is this ?

>>17780976
nobody cares lol

>>17773803
I read Spengler. It was boring!

Anyone have access to Spengler's unpublished works? I heard he was working on a thesis that adjusts his philosophy from considering civilizations as isolated and accidental to looking at the broader human timeline, with each culture being more sophisticated than the last. It sounded apocalyptic.

>cycles of history
Pure autism.

>>17780576
It's also correct.

>>17780576
>projection and cope.
Anyone who unironically uses these concepts in their prose should have their cock and balls physically removed.

>>17784973
Want to know how I know you never read Spengler?

>>17773803
I think this was unanswered in my previous question, but what did Diocletian do to turn Rome into a "caliphate" from an Apollonian Imperium?

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>>17785022
Did I hear somebody say DESU? I could of sworn I heard someone say DESU!

>>17784973
Spengler didn't really have a cyclical view of history. His view was more like a newly dug garden where you drop in a seed, and the seed turns into a flower then dies. Then you drop another seed. It turns into a completely different flower because it's a different species, but like any living thing flourishes then dies like the first flower. Then you scatter a handful of seeds, each a different species. Each seed is a culture. History "repeats" only if you consider the "lifecycle" of each culture following the same stages a repetition, but it isn't a cycle because civilizations don't "reproduce" so for each civilization it's just a single line that ends, and overall there is no larger cycle connecting between the civilizations. His view was more like "there is no line to history nor does history as a whole repeat in cycles, but civilizations within themselves follow a single line then die." Toynbee I think adapted Spengler's ideas to be more cyclical.

>>17784451
Based. I don't either. The masses are vindicated, as they always are.