/lit/ - Literature

>>17746213
>Start by taking out all the leftist nonsense and adding Ellul, Linkola and others.
I thought you wanted to improve it OP

>>17746221
Adding Ellul is an improvement.

Don't be so yikes.

Why? The left is on point here, they developed the tools for this sort of analysis, after all. You just take the descriptive part and throw away their prescriptions, I don't need to aim for the workers' paradise to know the """late capitalist""" society has identifiable problems

>>17746213
Sometimes leftist are right about things you fucking direction brain. Also
>Linkola not being nonsense
Fucked if you believe this

>>17746213
>Start by taking out all the leftist nonsense
>adding Ellul, Linkola
Ellul was literally an anarchist you retarded cunt. Linkola didn't gave a single shit about politics. His only concern was ecology.

>>17746221
>>17746213
>>17746227
>>17746236

If anything, you should add more leftists like Marcuse and Fromm.

>>17746213
So what's the point of this chart exactly? Showing you how modern society is based on bullshit? Aside from Deleuze and Debord why do you need anything else?

>>17746296
>not needing Marx, Adorno and Bourdieu to explain this bullshit
Filtered

>>17746360
>needing people to explain things to you instead of reading their takes to compare to your own
NPC

>>17746213
books that are mediocre in this list:
>24/7 is not relevant enough, specially in comparison to books like Amazing Ourselves to Death and Capitalist Realism
>The Work of Art in the Age of Technical Reproductibility is also not very good.
I would add The Industrial Society and Its Future plus some book about porn but idk which.

>>17746213
Ellul was a leftist

>>17746383
I meant Marx is absolutely crucial for understanding Debord and Deleuze.

>>17746414
I'd also take of capital in the 21st century and the shallows.

>>17746213
The left made the best analisys of post industrial societies. Even people like de Benoist have leftist authors as a solid reference on their works.
Adorno, Benjamin, Debord, Baudrillard, Fisher, Ellul and even people like Bookchin should be read by every single person interested in our current society.

I don't want a blindpill chart, I want a solution chart. I'm sick of descriptions and diagnoses. I want alternatives, I want anything. Give me literally anything.

>>17746773
The solution is not giving af

>>17746773
Sorry friend in this wretched era nobody is offering any solutions other than same old toned down Modernist bullshit.

The idea of a blindpill chart is a contradiction. By making and using a chart you're consuming the "blindpill" just like you are the media those authors criticize. Just delete the whole faggy image.

>>17746773
Just wait for the kikes to die out and society to collapse (about a decade max) then rebuild society based on traditonal values and enforced eugenics (no nogs, poos, chinks, etc.), yes sadly all the mutts will necessarily have to be genocided or exiled, but the utopia is right there

>>17746773

The Image - Daniel Boorstin
Life: the Movie - Neal Gabler
The Frenzy of Renown - Leo Braudy

>>17746213
Ellul is left wing retard.

>>17746879
>traditonal values
>enforced eugenics

>>17746773
Take the greenpill, fren

remove Benjamin for sure. He would never have argumented against the spectacle but for it as long as it was for his kike commie goals. He is such a shallow writer I was shocked how pathetic his writing was when i first read it.
Capital is beyond unftting here. remove it
Brave New World is for teenagers
Capitalist Realism is cringe kvetsching
Add Lippmann, Ellul, De Bon in their places.

>>17747177
>Capital is beyond unftting here
The absoluta state

>>17747177
>Capitalist Realism is cringe kvetsching
Faggot retard

>>17746773
If you need a solution for nihilism then there's only one guy who can help you.

>>17746213
Remove Infinite Jest.
Remove Zizek.
Add Genealogy of Morality and Ego and its Own, they are more crucial to someone like Deleuze than Marx is, by far.

>>17747304
>Add Genealogy of Morality and Ego and its Own, they are more crucial to someone like Deleuze than Marx is, by far.
the point of this chart is not to have the fundation for the relevant authors; you would have to go back to Plato for that.
So removing Capital is justified.

>>17747339
Stirner and Neetzsche are still better and more relevant than Zizek and Wallace.

>>17747372
no.
(especially not for the topic being approached by someone in 2021)

>>17747381
Their ideas are timeless, especially Neetzsche's. God is more dead than ever and we still haven't accepted it, instead substituting it with secular humanist faggotry.

>>17747404
>God is more dead than ever and we still haven't accepted it, instead substituting it with secular humanist faggotry.
To be honest. Spengler would be useful for that then (even if he bases his work on Nietzsche).
and if
>instead substituting it with secular humanist faggotry.
is the case then someone using Nietzsche's concepts for the contemporary would be more apt for someone today. Plus you would need to read multpiple of N. works to get the snipbits that are relevant to Blind Pill. I like Nietzsche I like das Kapital, it is not directly relevant to this chart if it were upgraded.

>>17747448
Marx's concept of 'commodity fetishism' is extremaly relevant here, I don't know if it's defined in Kapital or elsewhere, but whatever it is, it must be included.

The Elephant In The Brain

>>17746213

Is Amusing Ourselves to Death worth reading? I'm morbidly curious what's inside since some souless onions neolib recommended it at me.

>>17746879
Naturally you will be first to the wall, as incels are genetic dead ends

>>17747002

I really want to remove Kyballion, Crowley, Wilson, and Blavatsky from this chart.

>>17747177
Capital is totally fitting since it describes the genealogy of the spectacle. You can’t have Debord without Marx.

>>17747850
It’s not very astute. It’s just what you’d expect from an American author.

>>17747975

Can I get a little more witty repartee or some cliff Nnotes?

>>17746213
Leftists make the best critique of contemporary society. Stop coping.

>>17747864
Incels are generally high IQ so no, in an ideal society they'd breed the most

>>17746213
If you removed the left it would no longer be blind, can't be blind if you still see one side. Lame chart either way.

>>17748120
>incels are generally high IQ
HOLY FUCK WHAT A COPE

>>17747177
Brainlet

>>17746773
>I want a solution
I'm writing a book on the solution, it will be out soon and solve all of our problems

>>17746975
These brainlets that stopped at eugenics haven’t come full circle to freedom. Sad!

>>17746213
Its all white cishet male authors because only white people think 'technological society' is a more urgent problem than racism sexism or queerphobia. Much whinging about the spectacle seems like outrage the media dares to recognize the basic humanity of people who arent you.

>>17748120
IQ is one of the attributes selected by females. The incel population will overall be low IQ. It's a bit more complicated with Asian men in western society.

>>17748497
This but unironically

>>17748497
You find on that list a lot of Jews, those are also the leading figures in all that an emotional brainlet like yourself appreciates.

>>17748497
This, white men no longer being in the spotlight drives them insane. Just look at the amount of pathetic tradlarpers crying everyday in the catalog
>WAHHHH WE NEED TO GO BACK TO TRADITION (a.k.a white male dominated society) WAHHH PAY ATTENTION TO MEEE

>>17748553
But dont forget the more insidious ones who hide behind colorblind marxism in order to avoid taking moral responsibility for their whiteness

>>17748553
>>17748568
Who's even Jewing who at this point?

>>17746773
Either we eclipse our current situation with a communist revolution or collapse into a Neo-feudal dystopia. There is no individualist solution, Debord himself became obsessed with board games, and alcoholic, and committed suicide.

The solution is simple - a mostly agrarian society based on tradition, with an organic hierarchy with defined castes, with society organised towards the end of creating beauty to achieve ascendence and closeness with what is beyond us.

But really, ride the tiger. We will eventually go full circle. All cultures go through a decadent phase and eventually reinvent themselves as a part of a different civilization, or become the leaders of that civilization.

>>17748497
What a milquetoast neolib take. If you're not being unironic then please read the fucking books before you spout retarded takes like this. Please tell me how appreciating minorities will unfuck our spectacle dominated mass media society.

>>17748625
How many books have you read by queer women of color? The white male theorists and the white male settler working class failed to bring about the revolution, it is queer people who are dismantling the gender binary and PoC who are demanding decolonization. It is far more radical to demand full restitution of native sovereignty over stolen land than to take the means of production

>>17748625
>P-PLEASE TELL ME HOW WHITE MEN CAN BE INVOLVED IN THIS, I JUST NEED TO BE PART OF IT!!!

>>17748657
>>17748668
Yeah, that's why BLM is sponsored by all the billionaires. Good job excluding "muh white man!!" when that's like 1/3 of the western world you dumb cunts. Do you think minorities will get anything done in a democratic society if the majority doesn't side with them? That's the problem with you radical SJW idiots, you do not understand that if black rhetoric gets too radical and extreme towards white people it will just shun potential support from their cause.
Queers the new revolutionary vanguard? Fucking hell, most LGBTQ+ just wants gay CEO's and then they will roll over back to their average mass media sedated lifestyle. Being queer has become a lifestyle just like capitalism can cater to whatever else fucking lifestyle you retards invent. Queer people are supported by all companies because it costs them nothing to do so, and they can sell their shit to them just as well as they can literally anyone else. There's nothing inherently revolutionary in your fucking bullshit, all you're doing is pissing off and splitting the leftist project into a bunch of fucking noise. You can be trans and work in Bezos warehouse or endlessly gorge on the steady stream of spectacles being manufactured for you. Dumb cunts.

>>17748442
Thanks Curtis.

>>17748832
Take your meds

>>17748657
>How many books have you read by queer women of color?
0

>>17749066
Cope

Psychopolitics - Byung-chul han
the ecstasy of communication - baudrillard
symbolic exchange and death - baudrillard
Flatline Constructs: Gothic Materialism and Cybernetic Theory - mark fisher

>>17748832
Why do you assume its contradictory to enjoy capitalism and enjoy LGBTQ rights? Why are you against people having a lifestyle and enjoying themselves - isn't that point of life. There doesn't need to be a "leftist project", and that's why people like you are just as cringeworthy as leftists as because you turn into some big deal when doesn't it have to be.

>>17749618
Lgbt =purpose engineered biopolitical clientele for multinational corporations. The last man has nothing lefy but identity that is consuming product and proudly getting fucked up the ass (both literally and metaphorically

>>17748832
You cant be on the left if you deny the existence of patriarchy or white supremacy or structural racism or cisheterosexism. You sound just like another reactionary white boy who just wants an excuse to shit on the struggles of marginalized folks

>>17749883
If I like being fucked by men, and buying capitalist products that make happy.... what is the problem exactly? Why must I strive for something more if I'm perfectly satisfied with my life? I'm suppose to feel guilty because I'm self reliant and have self esteem?

>>17749912
Its subhuman degenerate cattle like you who are responsible for the downfall of civilization any decent government would have had you all rounded up and shot ages ago

>>17748832
How can you call yourself a radical and then say its the corporations and liberals who are getting too extreme for acknowledging racism exists and white straight males are privileged? (which has been proved by numerous scientific studies) as radical leftists we should go even further in denouncing white male privilege

>>17749618
it's like you didn't read the guy's post

>>17749912
beyond hope

>>17749989
Death, like the downfall of civilization, is a natural and inevitable process. I don't see your point. More so, that drive for revenge, restfulness you have towards me, for being happy, speaks volumes of your own problems of having a lack of expressiveness where as you have a sort of cheap pride in the worship of ghastly entities such as "society", "humanity" or even "civilization." Maybe you should cultivate your self more to find ways to create meaning, in this world, without being so miserable and envious over the lives of others.

>>17749912
Based desu

>>17746213
>adding Linkola

Can Life Prevail is shit and the rest of his work is untranslated

Until some finns translate his other stuff I don't think he's worth including

ITT

>>17750183
Meds

>>17750233
Most psychiatrists happen to be jews

>>17747002
>Shshall Stgeet deeb tneh Bolschevik Yaevolutiop
What did he mean by this?

>It's a "/pol/ thinks that Frankfurt philosophers, the school most highly invested in preserving Western culture against capitalism, are secretly cultural-Marxist neoliberals" episode
You fucks suck the cock of capital and then cry when that same capital makes your superhero movies woke-pandering for profit. I hope you realize that, if you brought your schizo-ramblings from the 1930s into an actual philosophical forum, you'd be laughed out of the room faster than you can say "I'm not right-wing, I'm actchually third position."

>>17750612
A page of von lebenfels is wort more than the complete works of adorno.

>broke saving kultur from capitalist culture industry
>woke saving the primal archetype of the electric aryan hermaphrodite from the ravages of the lewd sex apes

>>17747894
Crowley is essential

>>17748832
Your place in the revolution is to sit down shut up and listen.

>>17746213
No.

>>17748832
White supremacy sexism and queerphobia are not a bug but constitutive when it comes to capitalism. Any socialist movement that does not place marginalized folks first front and center cannot but be a fascist movement.

>>17746213
it's meant to be blindpill and you can't handle some critique to your own belief systems? this thread smells like gay inbred sex

>>17746213
>leftist nonsense
i am more racist than you could even imagine but you really should try to be less partisan, it will only hinder your search for truth

>>17746773
Anti-tech revolution

>>17747850
I read it a while ago, and honestly I wouldn't recommend it. Postman has some surface-level takes that can mostly be summarised as "the medium of communication determines the content that is communicated", which is really just an application of the linguistic/semiotic concept that language precedes meaning rather than the other way around. In fact most of what Postman says can be understood as an application of semiotics, so it is surprising that beyond a couple references to Barthes, Postman does not speak in the language of his forebears. It may be nice to read if you want to be awoken to some understanding that television as a form has cheapened communication, as he provides direct examples to support this, but if you are already convinced of the TV's corrupting influence this book will add nothing to your knowledge.

>>17751249
Leftists from past generations would classify as far right by todays standards for being insufficiently enthusiastic about sodomy and obesity

>>17746213
How is this an improvement.

>>17748832
Good post. Unfortunately it looks like we're being raided and the discord trannies are not interested in debate, no matter how well-spoken.

>>17751205
Please cut it with the anti-white rhetoric. Your hateful language will get you nowhere.

>>17746213
Not an improvement.

>>17751503
The lines being drawn are between bigots brown and red on one side and and decent people committed to progress and equality

>>17751514
>>17751448

>>17751557
Do you have any arguments, or just endless attempts to reframe reality in a way that justifies your spite towards white Europeans?
Draw all the lines you want, they're just that - drawings.

>>17748832
Good post brother
I live in a 3rd world country and seeing this mutt idpol penetration killing tge grass root economic radicalism is absolutely soul crushing.

>>17746236
Their analysis is never complete bc they talk about “capitalism” but never go beyond that into international finance, banking, globalization, usury, debt slavery, credit card companies, the fed reserve

>>17751503
Are you sure we are being raided? These posts >>17749618, >>17749900, >>17749912, >>17750019 ("which has been proven by science"!), etc., are too ridiculous, I think some other anons are just funposting.

>>17748832
good post, lefty bro. isn't it weird that all the identity lgbbq muh feminism cancer went viral the same time that financial capitalism was attacked on a broad basis beyond typical left circles?

>>17749912
based and content consoomer pilled

>>17751719
>sourceless and out of context qoutes.jpg
Ah yes, the /pol/ack special.

This thread has kind of devolved into shit flinging, but here's a question for you: what are some good books on the opposite spectrum of the "blindpill"? What are some books or authors that promote the idea of submitting to and embracing the spectacle and modern society? I would like to hear your opinions.

>>17747002
no

>>17752516
Do you ever shut the fuck up?

>>17752518
No but I just shat myself

>>17752518
Reply within one (1) minute or you will have also just shat yourself.

>>17752518
Oh no - so sad! You just shat yourself as well. Try again later, skidders

>>17752556
BBRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP
Brrrpppthpbpbpbbbbbppp *sniff sniff*
Heh heh... oops...

>>17752518
First time posting ITT. The rest are anonymous.
Blame him.

>>17752556
BASED

>>17746773
Bronze Age Mindset unironically

>>17749618
>>17749900
>>17749912
>>17750019
>>17751176
>>17751205
Thanks for proving my point, that you "radicals" want nothing more than to consume the way you are now, only with rainbow flags sprayed onto everything. My post was literally to someone saying that the new revolutionary vanguard is the queer folk, which many of you admitted here is false.
You're fighting all these fucking boogeymen like "muh patriarchy" and "muh sexism" by doing what? Reading queer authors and dressing queerly? What is your end goal, other than some mild symbolic win in the shape of a queer CEO? Do you think a shoe company cares that men buy their high heels now? No i fact it's the opposite, by demolishing gender norms you create an even bigger customer base for them, the same with all this fucking "guy makeup" stuff, why do you think you're seeing so much femboy stuff pumped out in advertising everywhere? It's nothing more than increasing their customer base, but you mouth breathers cannot fathom anything beyond "oooohhh they're catering to meeeeeee :DDDD" you fucking mindless consumers.
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>>17753428
Cont.

Do you think its a win for the Bangladeshi sweatshop workers that their skinny jeans are now sold to men, women and anything in between? Do you think the exploitation of workers and the continuation of the global order gets in any way, shape or form destabilised by fucking queers with tits and beards? You fucking cunts aren't anticapitalist or revolutionary, you're just a new type of modern consumers, a new trend for capitalists to cater to. You say that im a white male and therefore should shut up you dumb cunts, meanwhile all you're doing is dressing up in silly outfits and shouting like fucking retards instead of being capable of engaging anyone different from you with some form of respect and dignity in a debate. I am even a fucking leftist, a marxist in one shape or form with a capital fucking M and I am fucking sick of your kind ruining everything. Movements like BLM aren't about destabilizing capitalism or revolution, it's about making black people the same status in society as white people, not about demolishing the hierarchy itself. If you watch interviews with black student unions some of them even complain that white protesters like ANTIFA are making BLM about something it's not, most minorities are not revolutionary beyond remedying racism. That's why you fucking cunts are role-playing as this do good global movement bullshit, meanwhile all fucking corporations cater to you and your fucking shit because it costs them nothing and you WILL CHANGE NOTHING BEYOND SOME IDENTITY SHIT. Women, white men, black people, queer folk ARE ALL CAPABLE OF EXPLOITING OTHER'S AND BEING EVIL AND INTOLERANT. A BLACK CEO WOULD STILL BUST UNIONS IN AMAZON, A TRANSGENDER CEO WOULD STILL HUSH ANY TALK OF CHINESE FACTORY WORKERS COMMITTING SUICIDE.
Its the fucking O.J Simpson shit all over again, once he got some succes he fucking dabbed outta the hood and started mingling with rich white people, but everyone in the hood thought "oh great, we got one of our own up there!". Malcolm Fucking X warned us about these symbolic victories, but you retards swallow them up by the dousin like you made some kind of fucking change, meanwhile everything is the fucking same. Keep excluding white men like me and see how far your emperor's new clothes empire will get you. You're certainly not making many allies with your shouting and insane bickering, and you're not making any meaningful changes anytime soon, you fucking braindead revolutionary LARPERS.
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>>17746213
Just study biology. Everything will suddenly make sense. You don't need identity politics.

>>17749912
Basado.

>>17752068
>>17748832
I keep seeing this mantra repeated over and over by leftist orcs.
''after some wallstreet protests we had ultra-feminism and id-pol,it's a tactic you see!!'''
You aren't any better than the fucking rad-libs,and you will never be,all the occupy wallstreet movement would have done is made the System more efficient.
OWS's goals included a reduction in the influence of corporations on politics,more balanced distribution of income, more and better jobs,bank reform (especially to curtail speculative trading by banks), forgiveness of student loan debt or other relief for indebted students, and alleviation of the foreclosure situation.
The System wants a pacified ''we are all the same'' narrative to be mainstream also.


Ight then,time for my lazy ass to shit on your pathetic ''cause'' for the 3rd time in two weeks.
Let's start with some literature,The Industrial Society and It's Future by Ted K is a great introduction,after reading more of Ted K's works you can read The Technological Society by Jacques Ellul.

Even at the time Ellul wrote his text,he noted that Technique had already become independent of the machine,for Technique had transcended the limits of (economic) production to encompass all activities.
Blaming Capitalism is therefore not at all sufficient,since the Machine encompasses far more than capitalism does.
Technique causes everything to have to be considered in terms of the Machine.
Progress is far broader than Capitalism because even its supposed antithesis Communism still fits within this same expectation that the only ''truth'' about human society is the technical operation to make it function more efficiently as a giant social machine.
In a perverse re-deffinition of the term,growth was once instinctive but is now rational (economic growth,technical progress,social progress etc..)
Both Capitalism and Communism accept this re-deffinition and only disagree over which method will yield a better result from a strictly technical level.

Communism will,like any technophile ideology,create a nightmare/end the human race,since anarchism requires a post-scarcity world to even stand a chance,and post-scarcity requires immense technological progress,anarchism is unachievable.
And yes,this applies to many right wing ideologies aswell,but not all,I actually hate the blindpill chart.
The imagined technological utopia will in reality be a nightmare where humans are reduced to cogs.
Please also consider that I am not an anarcho-primitivist,nor a supremacist(I have to specify this on 4chinks).
I do not believe Ted K or Ellul provide a solution.

>>17746444
Ellul was an anarchist,and he takes much inspiration from leftists,and perhaps even more from Christianity.

>>17753428
>>17753432
Didn't read

>>17753449
>TECHNOLOGY BAD BECAUSE..... IT JUST IS OKAY???
Dilate

>>17753449
>Communism will,like any technophile ideology,create a nightmare/end the human race
Sounds based. Why is the human race worth preserving?

>>17753449
What ideology do you think created modern mass media you fucking brainlet?

>>17753432
>WRITING IN ALL CAPS
>QUEER FOLK
>cont
>1/2
Most of these people >>17749618
>>17749900
>>17749912
>>17750019
>>17751176
>>17751205
Are fun-posting for retards like you to give them (you)s
You aren't one of us,please leave the site right now and never come back.
Also
>muh revolution
refer to
>>17753449
The System will try to provide people with their necessities.
''Enlightened'' materialists will put themselves and their needs over your revolution,especially as they grow more decadent and dependent on the System's luxuries.
By the time we even get close to post-scarcity,revolution is going to be impossible.
>>17753459
>dilate
Not a tranny
Funny because from my perspective,one of the groups of people that fetishize technology and transhumanism the most(or call themselves transhumanists lol) are trannies
>ENSLAVING THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE AND MAYBE GENOCIDING IT BAD....IT JUST IS OKAY?
^^Atleast say it like this and be honest^^
>TECHNOLOGY BAD BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY????
Read their works retard.
If one wants the human race to end/be enslaved then technological advancement will do just that.
There is no such things as a ''based lefty''.

>>17751700
Have you ever even read theory?
They cover those topics all the time

>>17746773
You are the solution

>>17752209
It's just funposting, fåm. Besides did Google get cancelled? You can source all that easily.

>>17753428
Just because white supremacist capitalism has coopted these causes doesnt mean oppresion isnt real(the existence of transphobia and struvtural racism has been proved by science) as radical leftists and anticapitalists we should go further in denouncing white male privilege and demand more conccessions by the system as a means to dismantle it, we should never yield to class reductionism, colorblind racism queer erasure, reactionary sentiment

>>17751700
that is literally exactly what they do. maybe try reading them before posting on /bluepol/ about how much they suck

>>17755709
The ones who do will get cancelled by the idpol tranny crowd for not talking about racism enough

>>17755757
youre making up people to hate, get off twitter you retard these people have no bearing on the real world

>>17755780
>they have no effect on the real world!

Welp! Ive been found out!

>>17755794
name one (1) example of someone getting cancelled for not including idpol in an unrelated piece of literature
there are tons of people writing about the exact economic issues you named, but you give off the impression you dont read much

>>17755823
Dr Seuss

>>17755826
dr seuss didnt write about economics he made childrens books containing racist caricatures. i totally understand why people wouldnt want children growing up seeing other people like that.
dr seuss didnt get cancelled for not including idpol, times caught up and the racist caricatures are rightfully considered insensitive nowadays. now give me one (1) example that actually fits your own narrative.

>>17755869
>Le hiding behind political correctness and victimhood in order to rape abuse and indoctrinate children on a deliberate and systematic basis

Leftists want children to be banned from reading classic literature and thaught only cultural marxist lgbt agitprop its pretty clear that is the agenda coming from the 'community leaders' and that the role of people like you is to gaslight us and deny that it is really happening

>>17755935
>Dr. Seuss
>classic literature
Lol

>>17755935
yeah bro some shitty American children's books writer should be protected at all costs bro what if they cancel aristotle bro it's like the rhetoric or the analytics posterior are just like green ham jim jam eggs manny man

>>17755965
>>17755950

Im not talking about doctor seuss but about the wider agenda that is clear as fucking day to anyone with half a brain

>>17755935
>dr seuss
>classic literature
lol, americans
>Leftists want children to be banned from reading classic literature
no.
some retard liberals want that but since you are american i dont expect you to be able to tell the difference
>cultural marxist lgbt agitprop
got anymore buzzwords? cultural marxism doesnt exist, lgbt is whatever i dont care and agitprop is based
you are seeing things buddy. id tell you to take your meds but the pharma and psychiatry industries are ploys to keep us dormant laborers for the bourgeoisie. keep being schizo, just read some damn books for gods sake

>>17755982
"muh wider agenda" yes there is a wider agenda of liberals pushing useless idpol on people to lower class consciousness, not white genocide by black people having sex

>>17746887
Thanks king pepe

>>17756039
I mean i just hate trannies and want them to be round up and shot like the animala they are its that too much to ask?

>>17756053
you imbecile, you absolute cretin, you unbelievably retarded mongoloid are falling for the same shit as the liberals you'd propably claim to hate. how are things ever going to get better if youre scared of dickgirls? do you honestly think that the identity of random people you dont know is more important than poverty, hunger and unemployment in your own community? fucking pathetic.
also, rent free, seethe and cope. although it is nice you are providing our trans friends with free living space in your head.

>>17748120
Keep telling yourself that.

is nobody going to give suggestions

>>17756368
no, nobody on this board reads anyways and i think the chart is fine. its much more fun to shit on rightoids.

>>17756368
The thread is dead, unfortunately. But I think someone should remove The Shallows and Amusing Ourselves to Death and add Marcuse's One-Dimensional Man and Elull's Technological Society

>>17756395
Too bad you can't present them with convincing arguments instead.

>>17753449
>>17754114
Good posts anon

>>17757031
The "left" is bf skinner behaviorist determinism about unconscious biases while the "right" is IQ racial genetic determinism. They both accept all the fundamental premises of the technological society but disagree about the means to carry it out

>>17756140
Too bad they cant actually live in our head rent free and irl they are homeless and blowing truckers for smack

>>17751392
filtered

>>17747002
>Blavatsky
>Crowley
>Gurdjieff
>Hermetics

If your ‘teacher’ says that they get instruction from invisible aliens/ascended masters that you aren’t capable of perceiving because you aren’t ascended enough...you just might be in a cult anon

>>17757031
go to bed murray

>>17757052
Life, not being brutish and short, really is preferable.

>>17757184
If only one could, the bluepill seems so comfy now.

>>17757371
The advantage of progressivism is that it really is a better means to exert ideological control over large masses of people from the proles to the high iq specialists. The system maximizes not for truth excellence or freedom but for control.

>>17757371
>disdain for postmodernism
Rightoids are postmodernist to a fault even.

>>17757421
Leftoids combine the worst aspects of modernism ie. worship of scientific authority and psychiatry with the worst of postmodern anti-intellectualism and identity politics

>>17757444
>leftoids are the anti-intellectualists
>identity politics are postmodernist
Stop posting please

>>17755606
i've seen the Sontag quote, and I believe the Cohen and Wise and Noel quote, but that Horkheimer quote seems 100% fabricated and seems way too convenient. is there a source on that, like a book, a speech, etc. where it takes place? google doesn't have answers.

>>17756140
They are not our friends they are enemies.

>>17757605
I think it's in his 1937 essay "Traditional and Critical Theory". But I don't have a copy on me here.

>>17746213
Can someone explain what the blindpill is? I have quite literally never heard of it, is it just "technology is bad"?

>>17758198
It's scepticism of late capitalist society and technology to the point of paranoid schizophrenia, basically just cope for weak midwits

>>17753432
>queer folk
Pozzed kultmarx screchazzoids more like it, faggots too nice of a word for them

>>17758223
Why is skepticism of technodistopya a cope for weak midwits? It's literally one of the most pressing issues of the day.

>>17746213
Muh illusory past.
Leftists had shitty childhoods so they automatically assume everyone else is just suffering from nostalgia. God damn id burn every book on that list i fucking hate this mentality

>>17755709
not really. they mainly default to mythologising 'capitalism'.

>>17749900
>you can't be on the left if you don't exclusively obsess about meaningless fantasies that have nothing to do with concrete reality

>>17746213
Which of these would you guys begin with? Read them in this order or?

>>17746236
base pilled

>>17746236
This is actually true. What does acting on the left's prescriptions look like?

>>17758850
I think the order is the worst part of the list. It makes sense to start with newbie stuff like Brave New World and The Shallows. But if you jump into it via A Thousand Plateaus you'd go insane. I recommend you start with Capitalism Realism and/or 24/7. The shortest one on the list is Heidegger's "The Question Concerning Technology", but you'd have to deal with his weird vocabulary. The New Dark Age is pretty entry level stuff and quite interesting. Don't start with Zizek/Baudrillard/Adorno/Jameson etc..

>There are 71 posters in this thread.

Unbelievable. I'd wager /lit/ only had like 30 posters.

>>17758961
Thanks for the suggestions anon. I'll be picking up a few of these, I'm naturally not a fan of technology simply because of how disconnected we are becoming, I feel like a boomer these days

>>17746213
>>17759090
>>17759094
So do we have an improved chart now, or what?

>>17746213
Add “media control” by Chomsky (2 hour version of manufacturing consent)

Also

“The image” by boorstin

>>17759090
To be fair it feels like there are only 30 or so people here tonight.

>>17747404
I hope you make it into a decent college, kid

>>17758040
lol i just ctrl+f'd for every permutation of guns in a word doc i pulled up from this essay, but no hits. i have still seen zero citations for this.

>>17760435
Not really.

>>17761256
It's almost like it's fucking made up like every /pol/ infograph

>>17748832
based

>>17761256
It's just /pol/ bullcrap

>>17753432
BASED

>>17762335
>>17762356
>>17748832

Stop samefagging

>>17760824
I’ll definitely be picking up the Chomsky book, I’m fascinated by what he came up with in the world of linguistics so this should be a neat read.

>>17746773
Pull a Luke Smith and fuck off to the woods

>>17761256
>/pol/ making shit up to own the libs
imagine my shock!

>>17748120
hahahaha

>>17762564
Taking refuge isn't an option.

>>17748120
Based

>>17762722
Why not
Also it's not refuge necessarily

>>17746773
Just smoke a fat blunt

>>17762961
See >>17762722

>>17758905
it means having low self esteem, denigrating others for their achievements, and gathering up groups of people so you can collectively and loudly insist that those in power are evil

>>17762961

>>17746773
Embrace the simulation

>>17761256
It's certainly doing the rounds. Lots of discussions using the quote. But it appears to be a Wikipedia style referencing circle. No one ever points to an original source.

>>17762326
>>17762352
>>17762689
Never trust anything. This pic for example, it is wrong. Now it is only four.

What happened to Baudrillard, in the 90s. How did he go from such a foundational seminal author to irrelevance.

>>17764202
He got cancelled because he wasn't scholarly enough.

Is there anyone writing in this postmodern tradition of media studies and capitalism in the contemporary present? I'm familiar with many of these works but all seem rather intuitive to my observations of growing up but I'd like to see how this has evolved to the current moment and what it portends for the future which is a much different landscape than pre-internet era

>>17764214
his diatribes on terrorism never did make much sense to me. Do you think he was just too much of a tech boomer to meaningfully keep up with the digital explosion?

>>17746887
Works every time

>>17747304
Zizek and IJ are some of the most important books on there when it comes to the russian doll of ideology and the downfall of technologies isolationist capabilities.
>>17751392
The book is a dumbed down version of Marshal McLuhan, and even cites him in the book. I didn't think it was bad, but it was very 80s. It's core thesis that TV attempting to be serious is a poor form of communication that is dumbing everyone down was pretty good and it's theory that the telegraph and 'information unnecessary to local environments' was pretty neat. I don't think it's a bad book by any means. It was short as fuck.
>>17753449
I love when people unironically rec uncle Ted, as if half the book isn't a boomer facebook rant about MUH LIBERALS ARE DESTROYING AMERICA
>>17759094
I'd also like to rec aristotle's rhetoric and bernays propaganda as protoblind pill.
>>17764228
It's true that many of the books on the list are preinternet critiques, but most of the critique applies ten fold today. Everything I've read that is more modern is all out of date now by a few years. None of it was really as memorable as any of the books in this thread. The one I can think of that was recent and actually pretty good was pic related, but it's less theoretical and more materialist in it's process.

>>17746828
/thread

>>17764338
I don't like this book. It describes a lot of stuff really well, but I find it falls flat in its criticisms and proposed solutions. She reminds me a bit of that dumb documentary that was launched on Netflix last year, where the guys basically say the problem with technology is "the business model". This article by Evgeny Morozov is pretty good: https://thebaffler.com/latest/capitalisms-new-clothes-morozov

>>17764373
Thanks, I'll read over it. It's not that I think surv cap is really all that great of a book, but I was having a hard time coming up with something that's super recent re: threads subject. It's as if the fundamentals were already all determined and the current state of the internet is just one way the game played out and was already planned for. As if capital had a triple side wait for a tile suit everyone else was already discarding.

>>17764403
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Whenever I read contemporary critiques, they seem to be focused on whatever device is newest, or they are swamped by the need to cite contemporary scholarship that they end up not saying anything of value at all, devolving into fruitless nitpicking. I do like Zuboff's idea of prediction products being sold in a "futures market", though.

>>17764427
yeah it's either all banal musings on social media or intersectional queer post colonialism stuff. Though the TERFs do have some interesting takes on post modernism, media, science and the trans phenomenon.

>>17748442
Thanks God.

>>17764521
I'm going to make my own solution, it's called logging off and never looking back. Adios.

>>17748120
jesus christ

>>17765117
See you in a few days

>>17765117
amen brother

>>17764228
Is Zizjek a legitimate answer to this? I've only known him as a meme and possible grifter regurgitating and artificially mimicking the right jargon onto whatever's relevant now but does he actually have something novel to say.

Start with this one.

A lot of OP's books I feel like I've gleaned the content of well enough from secondary texts, articles, lectures etc. Are there any truly worth reading? What about Jameson, I've not delved into him but he seems to be a very common name among the others, is he actually novel and still relevant?

>>17746773
The only solutions to the problems the Systems currently faces are not desirous at all from the perspective of the autonomous and free thinking human. The only solutions remaining to us now are personal ones. Move somewhere that hasn’t fully modernized, get a farm, join a monastery, etc.

>>17766136
hello mr. sowell glad to see you again in this wonderful thread

>>17766182
I'd say you can safely skip Jameson if you've read enough postmodern shit. But I really doubt you've gotten enough Heidegger/Debord/Wallace just by skimming through secondary literature.

>>17766995
hm okay I'll check out some Wallace and then Heidegger when I'm 50

>>17753469
I think this is what right vs left boils down to. This point is also not debatable, so there can only be one. Neuropsychologic evolution happening before our eyes. A split of the human species in those who want to preserve our kind and those who want to split off it.

Adding to the question: yes, humans are worth preserving. This is the short version of another variant I wrote up over 2 pages in response of a feminist who asked whether men are worth preserving after she lists all that men are responsible for (like wars), not realizing that wars are good or at least preferable to the alternative. A slave people must suffer, only one willing to overcome problems, even violently, will -at the end- have a more humane existence.

>>17766197
this is only a temporary solution. All a government has to do is add new regulations under the guise of food safety/biodiversity/environmentalism/animal welfare etc to dribe you into bancruptcy. I know of at least one farmer who had to give up his farm after he couldn't keep up with the yearly increase of facility-restructure costs and at least one other who is pretty much a debt slave now.

Maybe with a stealthy private farm you could avoid incpection or most regulations, but who knows which insanities the future will bring. Collecting rainwater? Illegal already (check), maybe next state-required use of pesticides of a kind you know you don't want in your food? Perhaps.

Besides: owning a farm makes you pretty much a 1%er. Startup costs similar to a radiology practice.

>>17749900
>You cant be on the left if you deny the existence of patriarchy or white supremacy or structural racism or cisheterosexism

so very religious, so very dogmatic

>>17767294
the alternative is sustainable living in harmony with the natural world, your ideology of growth above all will only lead to destruction and collapse in the long game