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Anonymous Fri Mar 5 19:42:37 2021 No.17707387 [Reply] [Original]

"In Marx’s analysis, social domination in capitalism does not, on its most fundamental level, consist in the domination of people by other people, but in the domination of people by abstract social structures that people themselves constitute. Marx sought to grasp this form of abstract, structural domination — which encompasses, and extends beyond, class domination — with his categories of the commodity and capital. This abstract domination not only determines the goal of production in capitalism, according to Marx, but its material form as well. Within the framework of Marx’s analysis, the form of social domination that characterizes capitalism is not ultimately a function of private property, of the ownership by the capitalists of the surplus product and the means of production; rather, it is grounded in the value form of wealth itself, a form of social wealth that confronts living labor (the workers) as a structurally alien and dominant power."

Moishe Postone, Time, Labor, and Social Domination (1993)

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 20:02:33 2021 No.17707521 based

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Anonymous Fri Mar 5 20:40:57 2021 No.17707738

>>17707387
Funny how leftists always talk about these nebulous but somehow omnipresent abstract structures of racism or capitalism but when you start naming concrete actors and networks wielding power in concrete ways the suddenly you are a conspiracy theorist and an antisemite

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Anonymous Fri Mar 5 21:19:08 2021 No.17707981
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>>17707738
>Funny how leftists always talk about these nebulous but somehow omnipresent abstract structures of racism or capitalism but when you start naming concrete actors and networks wielding power in concrete ways the suddenly you are a conspiracy theorist and an antisemite

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 21:22:29 2021 No.17707991 >>17707981 like clockwork

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 21:22:41 2021 No.17707992 >>17707387 >A reinterpretation And another book bites the shelf

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Anonymous Fri Mar 5 21:23:35 2021 No.17707999
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>>>17707981
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>>>17707738
>>Funny how leftists always talk about these nebulous but somehow omnipresent abstract structures of racism or capitalism but when you start naming concrete actors and networks wielding power in concrete ways the suddenly you are a conspiracy theorist and an antisemite

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>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 21:29:35 2021 No.17708024 >>17707387 Pure leftist pseud virtue signalling. Fuck off back to leftypol tranny this wont become a meme as nobody here has any interest in larping as if they care about marxist economic theory from the 30s.

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Anonymous Fri Mar 5 21:35:54 2021 No.17708060

>>17707738
Lmao anti-semitism really is the socialism of fools. You do not have the mental capacity to understand how much of your life is determined by the actions of abstract processes, so you have to invent grubby little hook-nosed devils to whom you can attribute your very accurate feelings of being systemically buttfucked. It's exactly the same thing as american liberals who think the issues of capitalism begin and end with 'corporate greed,' and if only we could get more black women CEOs who cared more about the environment, then our problems would be solved. The inability to think evaluatively about the effects of systems except in terms of the moral qualities of the people involved in them is a dead giveaway of an absolute bottomwit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 21:37:56 2021 No.17708077 >>17707738 Leftists would hate jews if Hitler never rounded them up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 21:38:52 2021 No.17708083 >>17708060 >invent grubby little hook-nosed devils But they're right there anon, just look at them

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 21:44:40 2021 No.17708129 >>17707387 >Communist scholastic #738495 who cares

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Anonymous Fri Mar 5 22:09:19 2021 No.17708279

>>17708060
>abstract processes
Not anon, but I guarantee you that if people en masse started blaming jews for their problems those problems would go away. At least for a little while. Jews are the power structure right now and have been for at least half a century now. If they stopped preforming those "abstract processes" I'm sure some other group would take their place. But these processes require flesh and blood in order to happen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 22:46:05 2021 No.17708498 File: 338 KB, 680x593, 1615002362656.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17707387 >Mom I posted it again

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 00:09:43 2021 No.17709012 bump

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Anonymous Sat Mar 6 00:23:39 2021 No.17709093

>>17708279
call me a moral fag but if you care so much about the problems of the mob why can't you care about the problems of the jews??? especially when a section of the mob will become the scapegoat afterwards... it doesn't seem like you can claim to care

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Anonymous Sat Mar 6 00:48:10 2021 No.17709217

>>17709093
>You can't claim to care
I wouldn't claim to care. I don't think the current social/political situation really impacts my life too much. I'm just saying blaming jews would be effective and you would have to be playing dumb to deny it. My point is that the idea of immaterial abstract processes is cucking you. The best bet for someone who is upset with those processes is to start playing musical chairs and hope their in-group ends up on top in the end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 00:54:56 2021 No.17709236 >>17707738 >>17708024 >>17708077 >>17708083 >>17708129 >>17708279 >>17709217 go be a retard somewhere else

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:02:23 2021 No.17709260 >>17707981 its very amusing to see communists act like religious evangelicals. They can assert their "high brow" intellectuall dogma and as soon as someone retorts them they respond with personal rhetoric

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:03:47 2021 No.17709266 >>17709236 I can be a retard in multiple places at once

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:07:44 2021 No.17709289 >>17709266 Based omnipresent retard! >>17709236 no

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:09:59 2021 No.17709303 >>17709260 >as someone responds with a retort "durrrr but the juice bro" yeah ok

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:11:16 2021 No.17709310 >Where the bourgeois economists saw a relation between things (the exchange of one commodity for another) Marx revealed a relation between people. Lenin, The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism (1913)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:12:57 2021 No.17709315 >>17709260 >and as soon someone responds with a retort "durrrr but the juice bro" yeah ok

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:15:54 2021 No.17709328 >>17709303 >>17709315 Is your bot broken or is this some sort of meta joke?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:19:38 2021 No.17709343 >>17707738 Does he mean Jews?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:20:38 2021 No.17709347 >>17709315 you're proving my point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:21:28 2021 No.17709354 >>17707387 >post Commie shit Sorry Bro, I like being able to read books. Even ones the party doesn’t approve of.

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Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:22:53 2021 No.17709362

>>17707387
Under Communism how does the redistribution of wealth happen? How are the means of production seized and how are they re-distributed? Is it all property of the state? How do we know the people who hold all this power have our best interests in mind? If they are democratically elected what stops them from forming a corrupt system like we have now?