/lit/ - Literature

>>17611524
It's only gotten magnificently worse in the twenty years since this came out.

On another note, it's interesting that virtually all the trends discussed in the book began to decline right around 1965, which is also the year the Hart-Cellar Act was passed. In the book, Putnam conducts a half-hearted attempt to indicate that areas with high social capital (Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota) are more tolerant of racial minorities, but ignores that in these states there are few minorities to tolerate. As such, this "tolerance" that he highlights is mostly theoretical.

>>17611581
>It's only gotten magnificently worse in the twenty years since this came out.
And there’s no slowing down what’s going to happen when VR becomes omnipotent. Humanity is dead.

Which is more prescient: Bowling Alone or Culture of Narcissism?

>>17611581
Has anyone compiled stats for the last 20 years to compare with the book?

>>17611842
Both really important, they feed into each other. They're also both so fucking dense with argument that they get pretty dry at times, like every sentence is excellently lucid and salient so it becomes difficult to not just reread the sentence or paragraph over and over again. Bowling alone in particular uses an immense amount if quantitative evidence to support its theses.

>>17611855
I'm not sure. But just looking at individual data categories post-2000 such as suicide (which Putnam devotes a section to, and which has increased in the U.S. since the book's publication when adjusted for population), my guess is that nearly everything except for perhaps voter participation (specifically 2018 midterm, 2020 general election) has likely worsened.

>>17611842
Is Bowling Alone actually prescient if it's mostly describing phenomena that occurred prior to the book?

>>17611524
Becoming acquainted with statistical data regarding people is the actual black pill. This book just highlights such data.

>>17611581
diversity is the depletion of a resource. from the perspective of game theory, there's really only thing that's important here: trust. trust that my fellow neighbor wont fuck me over. trust that hard work will allow me to improve my social status. trust that honesty and fair play will be rewarded in some sense. trust that you wont engage in ethnic nepotism when hiring people

capital has attached itself to the brainstem of elites and it's telling them exchange trust for more people, more consumers, more capital in the system. any other argument that follows is merely rationalization, they're serving capital. much like the oil in the ground, they're depleting a resource they haven't created and a resource they can't make reappear
this game is going to continue until the trust is low enough for violence

>>17611524
>>17611581
He actually showed that more diverse communities have less social capital. I think he either coined or originated the term social capital, which is important to understand if you're going to talk about his work.

>>17611919
btw, the crux of the issue here can actually be understood by staying in the realm of game theory. the production of elites requires defection. you can't become really good without devoting less energy to some imagined tribe which isn't defined by capability. their defection is what makes them leaders to begin with. their "defection" mentality is then reflected in how they see all other areas of life. they didn't need a tribe to thrive so why would you? then there's the added issue of status signaling. you still want to signal high status even if you aren't a brilliant inventor or writer. so you've got a whole bunch of elites and would-be elites saying the same thing: you don't need a tribe to thrive, diversity is what makes us stronger, the more the merrier. it all adds up to an even speedier depletion of trust

threads like these make we wish I had the money to drink myself into oblivion, cursed ruins...

>>17612299
Can't afford rubbing alcohol?

>>17611929
>come up with an actionable solution

each day it's more apparent that it's probably time to shoot up a federal building

>>17612598
Be the change you want to see anon.

>>17612598
and what will that accomplish? Fuck all.
If your problem is lack of community, go out and make a community.

>>17612816
t. Fed

>>17612999
Feds tell you to blow ship up, dontcha know

>>17611929
>which is important to understand if you're going to talk about his work.

Thanks for the (you). If you’d read the book you’d know he didn’t invent or coin the term social capital. Having read the book is important if you’re trying to understand or talk about his work.

>>17611524
>personnel
personal*
If I start posting like a newfag, will I get 15 years of my life back?

>>17611919
lol i'm not american but i don't bother applying for a job at a place that has foreigners in management because i know they only hire their friends and relatives, who are all a specific ethnic group.

>>17614148
me neither but these last years have really given me the crash course on what america is about. ethnic clientelism and decline management. we basically imported america's discourse to handle our own diversity and that's when I understood how fake it is, how there's really something else going on beneath the surface

>>17611581
Bingo.

>>17611919
>>17612036
Well said.

>>17612816
The problem is that our society has become so hostile to the creation and maintenance of communities. It should be clear to anyone with a brain that terrorism won’t fix this, but I don’t know what will.

>>17612816
>Just make your own community bro
David Koresh is calling

>>17613810
you already are. do you feel younger?

>>17611524
>>17611581
>The Collapse and Revival
>it only gets worse

>>17615078
We're still in the collapse phase. Wait for Barron to grow up.

I agree with the sentiment of this novel, and it reminds me of that study about that town in the US with signicantly lower than expected rates of heart disease because they had a strong community.
But when it comes to me personally engaging in group activities with friends or colleagues, I seldom do. I don't take initiative to do group activies. Can certain people be happy with being a loner/schizoid, or is that just cope for lonely people?

>>17615162
I know I can but I lost my mother when I was 3 years old so I never really grew up with any of that shit people look for in a relationship later in life.

Most people I know that live like me just suffer though.

>>17615162
When you have a more natural community it's easier to go out and be involved compare to our schizo isolated society where there basically aren't communities unless you force yourself into them.

Must be nice going to idk the local grocer and everyone is chill and knows each others names, cracking jokes with the deli counter guy, cashiers maybe dont look like they want to kill themselves the whole time (or at least less obvious about it)

>>17615078
The “revival” part of the book was really half-assed and was probably only put in there because Putnam’s colleagues likely pointed out (justifiably) that the book would have been too depressing without it. In these kinds of social studies projects, it’s typical to offer “solutions” even if they’re basically worthless. Putnam’s list of things that should be done by 2010 to rivive American social life reads like wishful thinking written by some female undergrad.

>>17615418
I recently moved from an urban area to a town with about 16,000 people. Unlike my previous city, when I go to the gym here in my small town all the guys know each other and talk to each other about their work and lives. Back at the gym in the city basically no one would do that.

>>17613810
It's a meme ya dip

>>17615418
It depends on the people. I live in a college town in the middle of nowhere. The students are usually insufferable but they’re all home. All that’s left is stuffy, obnoxious progressive University employees. So while everyone knows everyone, I’d rather they didn’t.

>>17611524
I've been thinking about picking up this book, has anybody here actually read it? Would you recommend it?

>>17611524
Daily reminder that Putnam is pro diversity and opposes racism. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12802663

>>17615570
>I do need to step back a minuet and say I think that the - it's not merely a fact that America's becoming more diverse. It's a benefit. America will - all of us will, over the long run, benefit from being a more diverse, more heterogeneous place. Places that are more diverse have higher rates of growth on average and they have better cuisine. And it's just a more interesting place to live.
What a sellout, this literally sounds like he read it from a script the Harvard faculty forced him to read.

>>17615570
> is pro diversity and opposes racism.

Most diversity advocates are extremely racist.

>>17611524
Can this book apply to Europe as well given that it's similar to US in almost every way?

>>17615435
It also depends on the people. I’m in a big city and normal gyms everyone was an asshole. When I joined a small hole in the wall power lifting gym everyone was like, and I kid you not, vin dessel levels of ‘family’. It was pretty rad. Everyone would share tips and help out and hang out.

>>17615626
>better cuisine
the memes write themselves

>>17615901
He’s right though

>>17615633
we all live in america

>>17616870
fuck cuisine

We truly are men among the ruins.

>>17616870
If better cuisine is the upside of diversity, it is not worth all the downsides.

>>17617098
It’s better in the long run

>>17617120
How?

>>17616984
Maybe the true Traditionalists were the friends we made along the way

>>17616870
Anyone who cares more about 'cuisine' than the future of their nation (ethnic group) is a selfish hedonist. What kind of shallow moron bases their politics on their food preferences anyway?

>>17617120
No it's not

>>17617145
Cuisine

>>17615570
>>17615626
>muh food
>muh gdp
Lol there's no way he actually thinks that.

>>17617145
if diversity wasn't our strength, why would biden and the NY times say it is?

>>17615633
I mean idk I know a handful of people who just up and moved to Europe after high school/college and maybe I'm being bullshit but Austria and Germany look great

>>17617197
Reminds me of that murdered girls dad who said he likes tacos or whatever

>>17616870
You can have foreign food without foreigners. I mean, I've never seen an actual sushi restaurant ran by Japs.

>>17617205
When you put it that way...

>>17617220
>The killing of University of Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts has prompted criticism of the U.S. immigration system because the man charged in her death is a Mexican farmworker. But the victim's father told mourners he's been embraced by the local Hispanic community.
>"The Hispanic community are Iowans. They have the same values as Iowans," he said. "As far as I'm concerned, they're Iowans with better food."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-mollie-tibbett-s-father-defends-iowa-hispanic-community-20180827-story.html

>>17617221

>>17617397
Lol the absolute state of whites

>>17617397
Is he supposed to blame millions of people for one man’s actions?

>>17615632
>Most diversity advocates are extremely racist.

And they spend a lot of time attempting to change the meaning of words so they don’t appear to be, yes.

>>17617397
like those people praising comrade stalin as they get put up against the wall.

>>17616870
Seeing people lose confidence in local cuisines and begin to favor foreign ones says more about societal decline than anything else. There really isn’t any way to meaningfully claim that one kind of cuisine is better than another.

>>17617604
>Is he supposed to blame millions of people for one man’s actions?

Considering that none of them should be in this country to begin with, yes.

>>17615633
There are probably certain parts of the book that are applicable, but the book is thoroughly about the U.S. and not other countries. The premise of the book is based on Tocqueville's observations on Americans, and it explores U.S. data while regarding the effects of American economic booms and busts, the U.S.'s involvement in World War II — especially with regard to civic engagement — and the post-war expansion of the country's population.

>>17615570
He's a spiritual Jew (yes I know he converted you don't need to tell me). The findings of his book contradict diversity, though he does make an attempt to claim otherwise (though these sections of the book are usually the most brief, and easily refuted).

>>17615626
>Places that are more diverse have higher rates of growth on average

I guess no one's noticed that the growth happens prior to the influx of immigrants, who typically go there to exploit the consequences of growth. I'm sure Putnam would have a lot to say about immigration—and he does in Bowling Alone—though he happily ignores that the immigration he discussed was almost exclusively from white and christian European nations.

>>17615570
>>17615626
It's honestly hilarious how the most controversial opinion you could ever have, to the point that expressing any sentiment adjacent to it will have you banned from public life, is "Maybe people would be better off in ethnically homogeneous communities." Over and over again you see people whose work and life show facts that would prove that theory, yet invariably in some public statement they fall over themselves to gush about how much they love the immigrantarinos. The George Floyd protests only exacerbated this issue as now the standard requirement to participate in public life is constant promotion of whatever new grievance the black community has.

>>17612299
Rob a liquor store. It happens all the time, they won’t mind.

>>17612816
>Just make your own community
You know funny you say this, and yet the multiple times this has been attempted, they've been firebombed, assassinated, baited in to frivolous gun charges, all by the fed. Every single time a community wants to escape the chokehold of the globohomo, they come in and crush it as totally as they can, and then high five each other for a job well done afterwards.

>>17618201
The evidence is obvious, but on an individual level a given professor doesn't have much to gain by drawing attention to it. People like Putnam know how lucky they are to have landed professorial positions in the highest echelons of education, which are extremely difficult to obtain, and so they are unwillingly to rock the boat.

>>17611919
see also: patrick deneen for the idea of civic virtue as a nonrenewable resource

>>17612036
this also is rooted (at least in america) by anti-catholic politics in the last two centuries. ethnic catholics are considered a threat by the ango-protestant elite that rely on their labor so are encouraged to shed their ethnic identities in favor of "americanism". it's telling how now that's no longer required of new immigrant groups now that ethnic catholic political power has been squashed

>>17612816
>so what if a species goes extinct? just go make your own species bro
you

>>17615162
loners buy lots of stuff to be happy, that's why everyone is encouraged to be a loner

>>17618777
Build stronger communities i.e more rifles
>>17619324
Obviously not what anon is saying

>>17616870
>people from other countries come with a built-in cookbook
lol no

>>17619334
What part of "firebombing" did you miss anon? The fed will literally airstrike a neighborhood because you decided you don't want to pay taxes for niggers to shit out more future prison slaves

>>17619334
but he is, though. a real community is a living thing, like a species, a product of generations of energy and effort. you can't just wipe out a community and replace it at will any more than you can wipe out a species and replace it overnight. the time dimension is the key factor

>>17619314
>ethnic catholics
wut?

>>17619353
Build tunnels like the gooks did, invest in anti air.
>>17619372
You can't replace it overnight but you can plant the seeds to create a new one. Start by meeting like minded people in your town.

>>17611581
>Hart-Celler
Implying the actual change wasn't integration not immigration. Immigration really only went up massively after the Reagan amnesty.

>>17619406
>just live like fucking gremlins underground bro!
All because you don't want globohomo shoved down your throat. It's over, the jews won. There will not be a comeback for communities, not for a long time, and certainly not in America.

>>17617604
No of course not. But there is something off about saying they have better food. It sounds like he is going out of his way to prove he isn’t racist. Painting someone as an evil racist because they want the laws enforced is fucked up.

>>17619422
You don't have to live in the tunnels, just go in there during the air raids. Don't you know wealthy people? Invest in SAM and buy a cheap fighter or two.

>>17619392
Italians and Irish were both Catholic but very different groups.

>>17619314
this is E. Michael Jones-tier Hibernocentrism, the reality is that the US is and has always been a cheap labor colony and nothing else. nobody is thinking "we've got the Catholics deracinated now, mission accomplished!". They're thinking about where they can get cheaper labor.

>>17619392
like italians, irish, germans, czechs, polish, etc. non-protestant immigrants used to viewed with great suspicion which is a holdover from the english civil war

>>17619447
so how come postwar immigrant groups are no longer encouraged to shed their ethnic cultures? we don't even insist on them speaking english anymore

>>17619462
Since they're not white its assumed they're too stupid to speak English and encouraging "assimilation" wouldn't be very nice.

>>17619462
Because industry and bleeding heart liberals get the same result and don’t have to argue about patriotism. Industry wants cheap labor and the left wants victims dependent on the state.

“Don’t force people to speak English!”
“Okay, can we bring in millions of workers to depress wages?”
“Only if it causes more low skilled citizens to be dependent on the state and out of the middle class!”

>>17619531
The wealthy non-Western countries make money off immigration while Western ones lose money, on top of that.

>>17615626
>Muh food
Is getting "authentic" ethnic food really the only benefit to destroying your quality of life and community?

>>17619648
I, for one, like burgers.

>>17619473
>>17619531
you're both proving my point

>>17619648
>Is getting "authentic" ethnic food really worth destroying your quality of life and community?
"Yes".

>>17615088
Trump and trumpish are too weak and misguided. Barron is cute but the trump family is not gonna save us.

>>17619331
What? If anything social animals buy more shit because of conspicuous consumption. Those are the types who want everyone else to know how high they are in the social hierarchy based on the value of the goods they own. I don't see loners giving a single shit about this. I personally don't.

>>17619782
You’re probably right but it’s crazy how half the country was prepared to crown him king just to save us from what’s coming.

>>17619462
how come you ask your dad for money and not your cat? our societies are being built with the acquiesce of one group. it doesn't matter what postwar immigrants do. they're just fuel for the furnace

>>17619782
You’re probably right but it’s crazy how half the country was prepared to crown him king just to save us from what’s coming.

>>17611524
What's so blackpilling about it?

>>17619994
>it's impossible to build up communities anymore!
>is a terminally online Internet "traditionalist" loner who doesn't go outside and spends his days whining about the death of community while not lifting a finger to build one

>>17619994
Brown ppl bad (unironically)

>>17620020
This one’s going in my cringe compilation.

>>17619945
If non-white people and their Jew overlords are kvetching this hard when white people are still the majority in the U.S., imagine what they'll do a decade from now. Time for white people to grow some backbone.

>>17619994
The fibers that bind society and make it run properly are breaking down, and as a result people's life outcomes are getting worse.

>>17612816
>go out and make a community

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

>>17615626
>food
>GDP

>>17619331
>loners buy lots of stuff to be happy,
I hardly buy anything. I horde my money.

>>17619715
Happy to do it motherfucker

>>17620381
Don't you know that hoarding money is bad? Due to inflation, the money you hold in the bank depreciates all the time, you have to spend, consoom to keep the economy going!

>>17620381
Not only is capital sentient, it's also very angry with you at the moment.

>>17619331
Yea, cuz parents with 5 kids and 12 nieces and nephews don't buy shit.

>>17620397
>Due to inflation, the money you hold in the bank depreciates all the time

That's why when you're an adult you learn how to invest your money.

>>17620431
Why invest when you can get yourself a brand new iPhone? Just get a loan from your friendly neighborhood (((bank))). Debt? Who cares, just put off paying it and let the next generation foot the bill.

>>17620454
>Why invest when you can get yourself a brand new iPhone?

I don't really care about phones. I'd rather take the money to buy a new iphone and spend it on more Apple stock. I get that you're joking though but I'm not.

>>17619277
>atrick deneen for the idea of civic virtue as a nonrenewable resource
Can’t find anything ?

>>17615626
>and they have better cuisine

THINK OF THE FOOD!

>>17620887
Food and drink are some of the great sensual pleasures in life.

>>17611929
>public american life is dead
says the 4chan loser - lol!!!

>>17614508
>thinking your black/chinese built convict melting pot was ever ethnically homogenous

retard

>>17621013
Post hands.

>>17617197
Yeah seems like an odd turn from his thesis of declining social capital. He writes hundreds of pages based on years of analysis on the decline of social capital in the west, including noting that 'diversity' contributes to this, and decides that nah we can just ignore social capital in this case because of le food and GDP.

>>17617183
I don’t give a fuck about my race.

>>17621222
And for some weird reason, the fact you said this makes it obvious you're white.

>>17618201
Because the only way a homogeneous ethnostate in the U.S. can be achieved is through genocide. The projection that white people will be a minority is based on numbers already in the country. The only 3 options are to embrace diversity, to embrace genocide or to be blackpilled.

>>17617183
what if your personal culture is distinct from that of your co-ethnics and you consider them violent and untrustworthy?

t. spic

>>17618990
Unfortunate, because the whole purpose of tenure is to allow professors to research/publish on "controversial topics". But academia has been in decline for a long time...

>>17621248
Could be worse, imagine being black and intelligent. Now that's some alienation right there.

>>17611524
>>blackpills you for life
>Heh, nothing personnel
Join the Freemasons, join a book club, go the park, take coffee with both boys and girls, meet someone of a different ideology, don't believe the traditionalists on what makes society, the trans folks are probably more united than many Christians.

>>17621246
They’ll be a minority unless they can foist feminist anti-natalism on non-white women as well, which is currently underway. More and more non-white women are going to college. I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong, but predictions of the future often are. There was a period in the ‘80s where people in the U.S. were convinced Japan’s economy and culture would eclipse that of the U.S., but that didn’t happen.

The only answer is obviously political cults that bring people together for the common cause of uprooting a decadent social order

>>17617397

>>17618201
Did you know that BLM is a Jewish run sting-operation to infiltrate and subvert the Black community and turn it to the interests of the Jews? There's also the quite recent Black Jewish Entertainment Alliance that you can research.

>>17619406
>>17619441

>Just like, live in a underground tunnel bro, to escape globohomo, and buy your own anti-aircraft systems and your own fighter jet armada bro, you don't even have to live inside the Vietcong-styled underground tunnel network you only need to run and hide in there when the government is firebombing you with remote contorl drones, it's so easy you can escape Clown World! Just follow these simle steps dude bro

test

>>17615570
he spent like 5 years trying to amend his findings (which showed that diversity is really, really bad) because it went against the narrative.
I wonder what he genuinely thinks of it, and what is simply an opinion he's forced to express to not lose his job.

>read the word food
>NPCs start screeching and mechanically repeating memes

>>17623772
It’s not that food was mentioned, but how the most fleeting and least impactful of all earthly pleasures is used to justify large scale social policies.

>>17623824
>is used to justify large scale social policies.
Not just that. Murder.

>>17613810
retard

>>17615570
Of course he'd have to claim this, otherwise he'd be shunned. It's more of a survival tactic. Even if he genuinely does believe that bs, that still doesn't detract from the book itself.

>>17614508
"Hispanic" wasn't an option on the census until the 1970s, IIRC.

>all these butthurt /pol/lacks

>>17623844
Who's justifying murder?

>>17624116
that guy whos daughter got raped and killed

>>17624116
Yeah, I think that's a really unfair interpretation of >>17617397. That being said, the way he expressed it was pretty cringey.

>>17623486
When larping goes too far.

>>17611919
you just need enough money offset the value of the trust loss
if it wasn't a net gain they wouldn't do it

>>17621246
There are states that are still 99%+ white. It's mostly cities that are 'diverse' although that's such a loaded word one shouldn't use it. Of course...all of those white teenagers in the country or wherever are going to be listening to rap music and watching black television because it's centrally promoted and distributed to be consumed. It's not as simple as ethnic composition.

>>17621202
It's career and social suicide to say otherwise.

>>17624116
>>17624253
It's weird how many examples of this exist, I know you're referring to an American incident but pic related is one I'm familiar with. This is so unthinkable to me that I can't begin to imagine how these people exist.

>>17624386
Here, have another
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/01/opinion/london-bridge-attack-jack-merritt.html

"This weekend, Jack’s father, David Merritt, wrote a tribute to his son, who he called “a beautiful spirit,” on Twitter. He wrote: “My son, Jack, who was killed in this attack, would not wish his death to be used as the pretext for more draconian sentences or for detaining people unnecessarily.""

>>17624415

>>17611656
VR is going to implode human socialising so hard the 'global village' will be a singularity of monkey noises

>>17624421
The only two friends I have are online, so if I can hang out with them in some kind of simulation that would be way better than what I got going on now

>>17624386
>>17624419
This is just vicarious narcissism

>>17615418
I grew up in a town like this, maybe 4,000 people at most in a rural area. 98% white as I was growing up. It's amazing but it honestly ruins you for life. Having that slice of paradise and then leaving it is depressing because you know how good things could be.

>>17624432
What, on the part of the anons or the fathers?

>>17624442
People looked different back then. Their faces were more unique than modern people. You know that "basedboy" character, who is often made fun of, I don't remember many of those from my childhood, and when growing up. I remember faces which today, I cannot see anywhere. I look at the faces of people today and they all look the same, they are blending into one and the same "type", and yes there were types back then, when I was young but there were so many more different types. I think we are moving towards the uni-type, the interchange:able cog in a global machine. did Nietzsche predict this? "The Last Man"? ...

>>17624364
>comparing states where no one lives vs states that have more citizens in a single city

>>17624457
I miss my town every day

>>17624457
women having the right to choose their mates means everyone is looking the same. Notice how on online dating all women want the same type of person. No variety to be found.

>>17624364
Can confirm: I lived in a 95% white suburb. But all the kids watched or listened to was hood trash. Music was rap, TV or YouTube was black or sometimes Asian, some even talked like niggers.

If it weren't for history books you would think that white culture boiled down to some foods and the pledge of allegiance.

>>17624496
might be something to that.

>>17611524
Yeah you Amerisharts are fucked but at least you aren't like us leafs up here in maple syrup land.

>>17611524
Wasn't all the diversity / trust related stuff from his journal article "E Pluribus Unum"? Does this get recapped in Bowling Alone?

>>17611842
CofN is probably one of Lasch's most jumbled and least important books. Haven in a Heartless World which was sort of a prequel to CofN is much more lucid and has a clearer mission statement. Both are mired down in endless Freudian mumbo jumbo, which is why his 90s work is best - he finally stopped trying to psychoanalyze America

>>17624108
Yeah I know. I mean why would anyone want to live in a high trust society with healthy life outcomes? I guess we’re all obligated to be nice to you just because your family left their dump of a country to come make our country a dump as well.

On another note: people keep saying here that he highlights how diversity is antithetical to social capital, but this is only if you read between the lines. Putnam definitely doesn’t draw attention to it as a positive attribute in his opinion, but the evidence is there.

>>17624454
The parents

>>17624661
How fucking disconnected do you have to be to try and profit off of your childs murder?

>>17624740
There was that woman selling nudes of her dead daughter on onlyfans a couple weeks ago

>>17624740
Man have you even been reading the news for the last 3 years

>>17624457
Can you describe the faces that disappeared?

>>17624253
Doesn't look like it.
>>17624386
South Africa's transition to democracy saw a lot of people given amnesty.

>>17624496
More like it's the media and advertising.

>>17624656
Homogeneity =! health and trust. You can have a 99.9% white community ridden with alcoholism, domestic violence, depression, and so on, and a 60% white community with better health.

>>17624928

Except we have a 60% white community with depression, anxiety, self-loating, opiate addiction, and alcoholism.

>>17624928
this 99% white community you're talking about has had its elite members siphoned off and they now live in cities. do I seriously have to educate you on how elite production works? the entirety of this discussion is basically about how elites are obfuscating the actual mechanics pertaining to depletion of trust, you don't have to tell me that it's magic. I already know that it's magic, that's why people like you don't understand it

>>17624974
Those are problems to be addressed, but obviously expelling non-whites with the goal of making the community homogeneous won't solve them.
>>17624980
There's entire countries that are almost entirely white but still have low quality of life.

>>17624991
once again, you're acting like a midwit leftists, we're not talking about the magic trick as if it's real magic. we're trying to understand the actual mechanics behind it
you're not addressing the actual issue of population stratification, elite production and trust depletion by pointing to some bad "white" eastern country, you're just reproducing mainstream dogma

>>17624457
i don't know, anon, when i was growing up the bald middle aged guy with a beard and acceptably liberal politics was a stereotype. the consoomers however were old rockers who just couldn't give it up

>>17624442
it's a mixed bag. if small towns were paradise then i have some questions as to why so many of my classmates who stayed in ours OD'd or committed suicide

>>17625074
Mine was hugely, massively religious. As in two drink max at the bar and no hard alcohol allowed to be sold in the town limits, so we didn't really have problems like that that I can relate to but I have heard many people say that.

>>17620635
try "why liberalism failed"

>>17625080
that just means people were better at hiding them. everyone knows baptist ladies get blackout drunk at home on gin like respectable christians instead of on beer at a bar

>>17625106
Mennonites and Catholics actually, but catholics certainly do like to drink I'll give you that.

I notice that most people like to assume that people that seem good on the surface are just better at hiding it. I think it just stems from wanting to believe everyone else is as lowly as whomever is saying that. I don't know that it's necessarily true.

>>17625116
>I notice that most people like to assume that people that seem good on the surface are just better at hiding it. I think it just stems from wanting to believe everyone else is as lowly as whomever is saying that. I don't know that it's necessarily true.
Every time I've heard someone say this it's been a drunk or a junky trying to cope with being a piece of shit by comparing their life to a hypothetical 'bad christian' strawman.
My two cents anyways.

>>17625116
>I notice that most people like to assume that people that seem good on the surface are just better at hiding it. I think it just stems from wanting to believe everyone else is as lowly as whomever is saying that. I don't know that it's necessarily true.
I notice this as well. Makes me kind of sad desu, to see such cynicism. I know that cynicism is connected with a decline in social trust and optimism, but I don't know if it's a cause or an effect.

>>17624974
What I always wonder in cases like these is what it is about literally just looking alike that can foster social bonds. Do you think that if we erased the population of i.e. France and replaced it with Spaniards, Russians, Germans, Irish, and Greeks at 20% ratios that we'd see a rapidly commercializing culture and low trust the same way we do in the states?

>>17624928
>Homogeneity =! health and trust.
Homogeneity is one of the best predictors of health and trust, yes.
>You can have a 99.9% white community ridden with alcoholism, domestic violence, depression, and so on, and a 60% white community with better health.
>You can have
Nice midwit argument, I'm sure it works with 105 IQers at your state school. Yes, highly stratified neighborhoods in major cities definitely work as a model. Statistics bad, outliers good.

>>17621246
>Because the only way a homogeneous ethnostate in the U.S. can be achieved is through genocide. The projection that white people will be a minority is based on numbers already in the country. The only 3 options are to embrace diversity, to embrace genocide or to be blackpilled.
America already is a homogeneous ethnostate, just one that looks like pic related. What's happened in the last decade is that ethnically ambiguous consumerist mutts are easier to integrate and homogenize than a blond haired blue eyed family of four with two cars in the garage.
Reject the American within you, it makes you a more niggardly, more selfish, more angry person. Immigrants aren't your enemies, they're victims just like you. What you need to do is free yourself from the Fed by any means necessary.

>>17620887
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T JUST APPRECIATE MEXICAN CUISINE
Cope. America isn’t your country anymore whitey

>>17619342
They do

>>17625344
True that sudaca, I'm using my intergenerational wealth to move buy property in pristine rural Europe. Enjoy living in Brazil 2.0 lmao

>>17625333
I sympathize with the immigrants but its us or them

>>17624477
Such a cute town! I wished I lived there . . my town is like pic related.

>>17625055
No need to get political about the left. I don't support open borders.

>>17625465
>omg it's literally me!!11
it's about time starter pack memes fucking died

>>17625255
>Yes
You clearly don't know what =! means.
>highly stratified neighborhoods in major cities
I'm not thinking of New York City.

>>17624928
>>17625255
>>17625517
it's != lmao

>>17625366
>its us or them
Because you live under a corrupt kleptocracy that robs you and spits on you and pits you against each other.
Immigrants dont want to spend decades working to scratch without any rights, being stuck into ghettos and used as disposable labour for rich boomers. If you had a functioning immigration system they would have no reason to resent you, and you'd be able to take in educated hardworking immigrants while deporting the trouble makers. Why doesn't this happen? Its more profitable for big companies to keep a lot of disposable illegals living in slums for cheap labour-- urban decay and crime is an inevitable consequence of that.
And those lefty organizations that hate white people, where do they get their money from? It's not from the poor immigrants they're targeting to mobilize politically, its from the political elites, who need to keep a mobilized voter base in order to manufacture consensus.
Why is it you don't have healthcare? Why don't you have a welfare net? Why do your leaders treat you as disposable, send you to die in foreign wars and spit on you when you make it back alive?
The problem is your federal government has no skin in the game, they take and steal and nothing touches them because you, the american people, the patriots, the silent majority, allows them to get away with it.
You want to see change? Make your ruling class afraid of you. Make them afraid for their families. Make them afraid for their communities. Make them afraid when they go to work in the morning, and make them afraid when they sit at home in the evening. Target their schools, their workplaces, their neighborhoods, and force them to respect you, Joe Average American. Lobbying works in your country because your leaders are not held accountable and as long as you blame scapegoats and ignore the reality of your situation nothing will change.

>>17625517
>>17625526
uh oh midwit bros... we got too cocky

>>17624427
>The only two friends I have are online, so if I can hang out with them in some kind of simulation that would be way better than what I got going on now

>>17625550
I haven't read about programming in a long time.

>>17625547
This is how you get thrown in jail. What on earth do you think happened in january? People did exactly that, and now they're going to jail for a long time. If you give the powers that be any reason to fear, you are going to be crushed.

>>17625570
You also haven't read the OP book in a long time, if ever. Putnam is pretty clear that homogeneity in a community, religious, racial, income, is a very strong metric to determine ambient trust and social capital.

>>17625598
>genocide is totally cool but don't go to far and do something illegal
you deserve the society you live in.

>>17625611
Putnam discusses the repercussions of this idea as well - they don't support something /pol/ would like, if that's what you're implying.

>>17625674
Nice backpedaling and strawman. I think we're done here

>>17625679
This is called the fallacy fallacy.

>>17625465
Here it was this christmas, everyone pitches in a decorates main street. There's christmas music playing over speakers "downtown" during business hours all day

>>17625646
Thank you for putting words in my mouth. I never once mentioned genocide, I replied to your initial idea that fixing the current state of elite domination of the US would require taking actions against the US state or at least make them afraid. I'm not the guy you replied to.

>>17625696
cringe

>>17625727
>I never once mentioned genocide
The guy I was originally replying to did, but tell me, how do you propose to fix the problem?

>be America
>whine about immigrants since the war of independence

>>17625806
>implying it hasn't been downhill since then

>>17612816
>go out and make a community.
i already did and Georgetown was a mess

>>17625781
Fix? What makes you think it can be fixed? There's no fixing this. The dominos have already started falling, the US is thoroughly rotten to the core. The comically absurd inequality will continue, the importing of laborers to drive down wages will continue and even spread into white collar fields, the infrastructure will still be falling apart, we'll still continue to be an overextended military power with a demoralized and unfit populace that's hilariously obese. I could go on, but you get the idea. Our problems are far too numerous, complex and difficult to solve in time to stop the US from going off a cliff. The time to stop it was years ago. The time to leave for the sake of any kids you might want to have is now.

>>17625896
Leave and go where? In case you haven't noticed every white majority country now has to be multicultural.

>>17625932
Thats the tricky question, and I don't have an answer. I've considered working for enough time here and moving to eastern europe then setting up a company with the money. Who knows, I might just drink myself to death.

you may not like it but the Frankfurt thinkers wrote at length about this exact phenomenon of degraded social bonds and alienation of the individual in the 20th century. Read or read about some Baudrillard, Debord, Fredric Jameson, Marcuse, Adorno and Horkheimer, Lukacs. Probably stay away from Gramsci, Lacan, Deleuze and Guattari they are pretty esoteric for the uninitiated. You all are right though that at the end of the day answering the question of 'what is to be done' starts with you and your local community.

>>17625806
even waaay before, right when the Mayflower landed

>>17625366
When you bring in people from the third world you get third world living conditions. Look at Los Angeles.

>>17625957
Do they place any stock in the continuity of ethnic bonds as a means to counteract this degradation?

>>17625932
Stay in America, nobody else wants you.
>>17625896
You're alright, but where is your national pride? Even after America has ceased to exist, it's founding people and the legion of mutts they've incubated will still be there.
Don't shirk your responsibilities.

>>17625465
Fuck. That's paradise compared to most of America.

>>17626050
National pride? You mean the pride that sold god knows how many kids into fighting pointless forever wars in the middle east? Or the pride that compels its elite to see America's citizens as just cattle for milking money out of? I've seen enough of American pride. I live in the decaying northeast, and this place was passed over by pride a long time ago. The irish catholic northeastern culture I grew up with is well and truly dead now, and I'm one of the last to actually be raised in it. It's been in its death throes since the 1980s, now its over. My hometown is dying out, everyone young is leaving for other parts of the country if they have some sense otherwise they just become substance addicted losers. I can't afford to even live here on my own because rent is so high despite the high crime, trash wages and pitiful job offerings outside of the giant cities (which are extremely nepotistic in employee selection) What pride is there to try and save a culture that's hit its end? I'm compelled to leave economically from here, and the rest of the US just isn't the same. I've been to other parts of the US and I can honestly say that I don't want anything to do with them. The vulgarity of american culture is on full display in places like Texas, Florida, California that workers are going to and I can't stand it. There's good people there for sure, but their flaws don't make them worth moving to when I'm already coming from an equally flawed place. So if my pride for my local area and my nation are gone, then what am I clinging to? I'm intelligent and in my prime working years, I'm in the process of gaining valuable skills and work experience. Why would I stay in this country that's on it way out if I have no concern for it in any way, the government and business elite see me as something that can be milked endlessly with nothing given in return and the expectation that I'm grateful for it? Other countries are in need of skilled workers to pay taxes and will actually get something in return for it in the form of functioning civil services and healthcare. I can accept being a foreigner for life if my kids will be able to be part of a society with a future, I'll make that sacrifice and learn a new language and culture. I just can't stand to keep seeing things decay like this, and I won't let it drag me down with it.

>>17627011
well said.

Come to Europe, friend

>>17627039
Europe doesn't want him

>>17627039
I think I'm considering Australia or Germany. I generally like Australians and working holiday visas are available for americans where as its not available in the EU barring Ireland for degree holders (I dont have one). I'd ideally like to do that and save some money and maybe go to university in the EU or Asia. I'm 23 now and starting a decent job I can save money at, but I plan to leave the US in 1-2 years. It's up in the air at the moment, but once I decided I wasn't getting bogged down in my state (NJ) for life I felt a lot better about the future. If you want to understand what I mean by this place being in decay, there's a few ways I can demonstrate pretty easy. About 50k people 18-35 leave NJ yearly, the state's debt is over 200 billion dollars for a state of 9 million people and will soon require tax raises and further cuts to public services to avoid total bankruptcy. But, if you want a more tangible example of how this state has gone to shit then look no further to my closest city, Camden NJ. This is a city of 80,000 people, and was at one point the most dangerous city in the US. This isnt a picture of one isolated neighborhood, entire city blocks are like this. To adequately explain how badly my home is well and truly fucked would take an entire book, but this should be enough.

>>17623449
Blacks were already pretty aligned with Jewish interests before BLM, so I'm still really puzzled about the group's endgame. (Not disagreeing with your premise, though. I'm aware of Susan Rosenburg and those connections.) If I had to guess, BLM basically makes blacks (and retarded white people) a sort of Brownshirt strike force to ruin cities and force businesses out so their real estate can be scooped up by vulture investors. In terms of racial relations it almost seems like their objective is to make blacks so insufferable and demand so much that whites get cleanly split into self hating cucks and viciously racist ex-normies. The group is so disgusting that I can't see its media strategy being anything other than bating whites into open racism so the government has the excuse to take down """""extremists"""""

>>17627011
This, where I live in the rural south ain't getting better either.

>>17627116
Europe is slowly turning into(if not already) that

Pic unrelated

>>17625080
Utah?

>>17627189
Ohio actually

>>17625957
>you may not like it but the Frankfurt thinkers wrote at length about this exact phenomenon
you're not on /pol/. we know. you're allowed to recommend jewish writers here

>>17612598
Hello, Glowie

>>17627141
Neighborhoods in this region are interesting to observe from the outside. Distinctive Anglo architecture, long since abandoned by actual Anglos, now the ecosystem for African Americans and a hodgepodge of immigrants who crawl around in the decaying husk left by a once vibrant and inspired society. I imagine living here would be suicide inducing.

>>17627206
Nice, I generally think of Ohio as the epicenter of white working class drug addict malaise, so it's nice to know there are still some good communities there.

>>17625333
You need to croak, you worthless traitor

>>17625896
>>17627011
>>17627141
>>17627154
Die

>>17611524
It's sad that things are declining, but the Freemasons and some other organizations still exist. There's nothing stopping you from joining and hanging out with the friendly boomers.

>>17627490
How do I join the freemasons? They're such a mysterious organization.

>>17627490
The book talks about how fraternal orders being in decline but I never hear about any of them trying to recruit younger guys to prevent this.

>>17627604
they're really mundane. one of my exes was one. you need someone to sponsor you, so just go to their site/call them and talk to them and show that you're serious about joining.

>>17625555
kek

>>17624457
this is a nice and well written post of nostalgic longing. if you removed the memespeak that dated it this might serve for the base of a really great monologue in a novel or a poem or song lyric

Relevant I guess but I do not think I hate immigrants into the US, they are as much tricked and like pawns as we are. I could even say that many are at least decent people looking to safekeep thier families, and come from lands it would fit ill a Christian to consign returning to. In a perfect world the US could just withdraw all support to Israel, like thatd happen though, and use it for peacekeeping and reconstruction of Central/South America a la China in Africa to aim towards some stabilization of population stability while placing a temporary ban on birthright citizenship for the children of noncitizens. But this isnt that kindve world, and at this point I guess my political outlook is working enough to live remotely in the woods.
Book seems great though, I will likely get it.
>>17627184
Fellow Southerner here. I can only assume that the pangs resultant of consumerism are especialy powerful because we had an actual culture, in its infancy though it was.

>>17624500
Yeah I honestly can't discern between most blacks and whites purely because of this, they all share the same mindlessness. The last few generations of Americans have been raised by television , there's no culture left to save even if you could somehow change the tide of replacement. I have family members just like like this, and although it's a terrible thing to say hate them a little.

>>17628234
Southern culture (and I don't mean Black culture) died around at the end of the Civil rights. And because of that rap and other negro culture has taken root

>>17624469
>>comparing states where no one lives vs states that have more citizens in a single city
Most of New York state lives outside of New York City, it's almost entirely Republican outside of NYC and the next biggest city Buffao.

>>17628353
I would argue it well and truly died somewhere between the time of Faulkner and the 2nd generation of country music. I will still feel guilty for leaving the South when I move somewhere cold and low population up north.

>>17614491
>we basically imported america's discourse to handle our own diversity
What country? UK?

>>17625932
>>17625955
I've been learning Mandarin for the past 3 years, when I graduate I intend to go to China for work. The future is in the east and the sooner you make peace with that the sooner you can begin to meaningfully build your future. All things considered the Chinese are not so bad, most people don't realize this but living in America you are heavily indoctrinated against the Chinese in all kinds of small ways from the moment you're born.

>>17628403
France maybe
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/europe/france-threat-american-universities.html

>>17628431
>>17628403
Most of Europe has seen almost total demographic replacement in very young people the last 20 years. There are no European children being born in Europe anymore. The effect of this is exponential and delayed, so when it happens it will really fucking happen. Thanks America.

>>17628429
I don't need to be indoctrinated to hate bugmen with a passion. I'll go down with the ship before I move to Chinkville

>>17628494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-fWDrZSiZs

...
But I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be
...

>>17628461
No shit retard. You don't have to tell me.

I was asking what country he was talking about, specifically relating to 'American discourse'

>>17628431
France is an odd place. Extremely based on some accounts and extremely pozzed on others

The ships sinking, boyos. Keep an eye out for when the rats start to flee.

>>17611929
Imagine not having heard of Pierre Bourdieu.

>>17628461
Why are Americans so ignorant?

>>17628494
>>17628537
>posts some shitty hollywood fiction a and music video as his defense of culture
lmao
You can cry bugmen all you want until the bitter end but there's greater originality, creativity, and diversity of thought in the average Chinese city than the average American city. At the same time they enjoy a unifying identity and culture too with actual authority and principles. My children will be beautiful, your children will be damned if you have them at all.

>>17628610
I hope you're not trying to suggest this isn't true? That would be the delated effect I was speaking of.

>>17621246
It doesn't have to be a genocide. We can peacefully separate either into our own ethnically homogeneous cantons within a reformed ethnopluralist United States or into separate countries.

>>17628655
The CIA killed people 60 years ago for suggesting this. Its too late.

>>17628635
Chinks are literally the definition of bugmen

>>17625547
Yes. The super rich and the politicians are the real enemy and they're the enemy of all of us, not just Whites. The anti-White narrative being promoted by media will make it very difficult but it is possible for us recognize our common foes and work together to defeat them. That doesn't mean giving up our distinct identities. It means we see each other as allies in one struggle.

Bros im genuinely trying to stop being a normie online should I order this book? Also, can someone recommend books that properly articulate the managerial state/neoliberalism from a paleocon perspective? People like Francis, Buchanan etc.

>>17628635
Your entire plan is just to copy America but treat your citizens like disposable shit right off the bat. Instead of a boiling frog its a squashed bug. I'll take my chances jumping out the pot.

>>17628635
>concise cultural identity
>Chang never learned about the Great Leap Forward
>Decisive Tang Victory

>>17628655
Yeah it does, since the merest mention of trying to maintain white American identity is instantly met with revulsion and ostracization. Overt action like you describe is totally impossible, it can't be done as public policy.

>>17628429
I envy anons like this who have an actual plan. For most of us the greatest actionable plan we take to avoid the total obliteration and collapse of the country we knew are these very posts on random internet cesspools, totally futile farts in the electronic wind. That will be the death rattle of western civilization, the furious but impotent clicking of keys in thousands of dark rooms, separated by both distance physical and spiritual, whose only real act together is fading away.

>>17624457
Yes I've noticed this too. The effect is really noticeable in films. We really are getting blended together in one big phenotypical omni-slurry.

>>17628762
Why does it have to be a genocide? Why can't we just Balkanize, gain political power, and spread propaganda to make people adopt pro-White views? If the Bolsheviks were able to accomplish what they did in Russia, anything is possible.

>>17628762
Apparently Hitler praised our pre-1965 immigration policy in Mein Kampf? Lol

>>17628392
Sometimes you have to do whats best for yourself

>>17628832
Yes. Perfectly normal American beliefs in the early 20th century woud get you called a Nazi today. America back then was not only white nationalist but nordicist and promoted eugenics.

>In 1902, U.S. President Roosevelt called race suicide "fundamentally infinitely more important than any other question in this country" and argued that "the man or woman who deliberately avoids marriage, and has a heart so cold as to know no passion and a brain so shallow and selfish as to dislike having children, is in effect a criminal against the race, and should be an object of contemptuous abhorrence by all healthy people."

>>17628743
This is the propaganda and indoctrination I was referring to. I would wager anything you've never actually been to China or really engaged with Chinse culture, everything you know about them is the second hand result of western resentment and fear originally cultivated for political ends but manifested for you in the 'epic memes' you regurgitate on the internet.
Forgive me for making the joke but, the west are very jaundiced when it comes to China. I had a trip to Shenzhen for 6 weeks, it was a wonderful place (in particular I was in awe of how clean it was compared to American cities) and I can assure you Chinese culture and humanity are quite in tact, not that you're capable of considering this let alone accepting it.
>tfw had better discussions of Greek philosophy in Chinese than in English
The topic of translation was very rich, pic related is a very liberal translation even reinterpretation of Aristotle's words, but unironically it would conform better to this sentiment if you tried to translate it into Mandarin. But from Greek to English to Mandarin? Now that is something. That's in essence how you get your understanding of China as the average American.

I will be leaving this rat race behind soon and never look back. At first I was afraid of having to start a new life and being on my own for the first time but this thread reminded me why I'm doing it. The West is dead. I'll be seeing you brothers

>>17628848
Funny considering the next Roosevelt was a criminal socialist most responsible for sterilizing America as an institution, causing Americans to depend on their rules rather than the reverse.

>>17628403
sweden. the george floyd protests opened my eyes, the fact that our minorities can be mobilized so easily by foreign media in one direction tells the whole story, no other domestic party could get that reaction and no other political issue could bring forth such fervor. 9% of the population does at least half of the rapes, the only thing I know for sure is that the raping will continue
I'm beyond the point of talking about demographics or the intricacies of navigating post-colonial trivia in service of finding out the exact amount of deference one should have towards minority group x. I live in a vassal state of a decaying empire, all major narratives are in the service of ethnic clientism and it's not going to "get better". I'm mostly interested in inoculating myself against bad ideas and looking for air pockets that allows for real growth, this ship is sinking fast

>>17628848
And now Teddy's descendent wants to take his statue down. How far we have fallen.

>>17628893
>guys who wants us to multiply and consoom was a pawn of the demiurge
yeah wow really percolating those pistachios. it's hilarious when tradtards appeal to the same attitudes and policies that got us where we are in the first place

>>17628923
Learn to read.

>>17628866
Your post reeks of either you convincing yourself utterly that China is a new utopia or the Beiling smog. Dubs, which I must check., aside, you are not worth engaging with. Good day to you, sir.

>>17628953
holy, shit, you, are a, faggot. Good day, burger.

>>17628933
I wasn't talking about you

>>17628847
Thank you, anon. I intend to learn as many folk songs on the violin as I can to take with me. And Lord willing, my children or grandchildren will return someday.

>>17628953
The mark of an uneducated and ideologically possessed mind. When confronted with contradiction you simply dismiss it all and run away to your baseline.

>>17628762
>For most of us the greatest actionable plan we take to avoid the total obliteration and collapse of the country we knew are these very posts on random internet cesspools, totally futile farts in the electronic wind. That will be the death rattle of western civilization, the furious but impotent clicking of keys in thousands of dark rooms, separated by both distance physical and spiritual, whose only real act together is fading away.

>>17628879
Where are you headed, fren?

>>17624477
West Haven?

>>17629124
Far enough away for now fren. Won't be as glamorous but I won't feel like I'm contributing to a system I hate.

>>17628762
It's difficult to stage any sort of meaningful effort against it since our social ties have almost completely disintegrated. This is perhaps why the disintegration of social ties has been pushed so hard by those who shape the culture. A nation full of armed men counts for little when they're all ostracized from one another.

>>17628848
Good.

>>17629181
Good luck, fren, I will pray for you on your journey.

>>17629105
>>17628762
That's a good quote. Well put, anon.

The last thousand years have been a mistake for the most part.

>>17628953
you sound like kind of a loser mate, just as a third party observer talking

>>17628866
>I was in awe of how clean it was compared to American cities
So you visited the tourist areas in a highest tier city and took it to represent the entirety? Didn't even go into the dingier backstreet wet markets that exist even in the shiniest of urban centres? Didn't even realize how much the Chinese value outer appearances over internal stability?
You saw the facade and ignored the insides, the rot within. Good for you, you gullible fool. Move into China like this and you'll be utterly crushed by the reality hiding behind that thin veneer of civilization.

>>17624421
VR will be too inaccessible to all the masses if they cant fix the motion sickness issue a lot have with it

>>17625957
there is no local community asshole. there's not even a 'Me' anymore.

>>17628866
bro you're straight up insane. china is a fucking dusty hellhole of a country. why the fuck would anyone think fleeing to china is a good idea. insane man. country of bear bile cages, horrible government, crimes against humanity
no thanks man.
>inb4 yeah but its better than america fallacy
bro you dont know where i live or where i think people should go
China is just such an obviously bad idea

itt: 100 people anonymously complain about atomization, using simple text and the internet to decry the death of tradition.
The irony is killing me.

>>17631814
Holy fuck how do people like you exist? You read all this shit and you were like
>holy fuck this is SO IRONIC
>why cant anybody see this?
>i have to point out how ironic this is
you are hell. You are actual Hell.

>>17631819
ok fine, I'll use different words.
The hypocrisy of moaning about social ills while using a language and platform which actively promotes those social ills makes it difficult to take you seriously.

You say people are becoming more withdrawn and atomized, while maintaining a withdrawn and atomized stance yourself by interacting without names, faces, or social consequences on a fringe website. Even your discussion of issues actively contributes to those same issues.

Rather then wax poetic about a nostalgic theory, you should try to make connections with the people physically near you, and prove that your complaints and your solutions have merit. Until then, I cannot see you as anything but children whining that "the man" has it out for you, and waiting for someone else to fix it.

>>17631814
>Bro just make your own community

>>17631897
So, just complete masturbation on your part.

>>17631918
>Bro just knock on your neighbors door and ask if he wants to drink some beer or play backgammon with you

>>17628896
I agree, copycat protests of those in the US, with the usual banners and signs about slavery and police brutality. When none of our current minority population were ever slaves, and came to the UK of their own accord. And our police rarely kill or cause the death of anyone here.
Tbf, it didn't surprise me, as the 2011 London riots were caused when an armed drug dealer was shot.

>>17631920
He's right tho. Have you tried expressing these feelings to someone in your life? No, people just post shit here online in an atomized, anonymous environment that promises total alienation from consequence.
4chan is liquid hypermodernity made digital.

>>17631945
>someone in your life
Are you retarded or something?

>>17624421
fucking kek

>>17631897
You are a total pseudointellectual and nothing we say will get through to you. I can't imagine typing your post out without an ounce of self-awareness.
>implicitly equating hypocrisy and irony in your series of posts
>you criticise it, yet you use it, you are a hypocrite
>you have complaints, therefore I must conclude that you do nothing to improve your life
You are a child.

>>17631945
You are making unfounded assumptions on a person's character and actions in order to construct an enemy in your own mind and you argue with that to later proclaim yourself the victor.
Why?

>>17631952
Unless you live alone in the woods there are people around you. It can be as simple as sharing your opinions on the JQ with that cute barista at the local coffee shop. Just talk to someone real anon.
>>17631998
Because you know full well that everyone on this website is just a manifested reflection of my own ego. I can see right through the screen into your scummy miserable life because I may as well have typed out your responses myself. Just be glad I'm able to break the fourth wall and offer some life advice.

>>17631773
>regurgitates propaganda in reply to a post about regurgitating propaganda
I chose China for 2 reasons, first economically it is the best choice, I already have a positioned secured for when I graduate and I will be making more than double the average of what people near my age make off the bat. Secondly I respect the Chinese political discourse. It's a nation in the truest sense ruled by men, whatever European power or English commonwealth you prefer is undoubtedly in a state of decay because that is the essence of the western politique, ruled by the dysgenic or what I will call the feminine. It's comical to see you reflect everything I dislike about the west in its defense, all this concern for things like animal rights and 'humanity' is totally hollow, it's a way to avoid responsibility and snatch moral superiority and power NOT produce or fix anything, it's an eagerness for irresponsibility which has in effect sterilized the foundations of America and Europe by asserting rights over duties and progress over tradition. And this kind of demented psychology has completely possessed the western character, for which there will be no return but there will be an end, but I will be elsewhere.

So many anons itt readily disparage and question my plans but I'd be willing to bet they themselves are adrift, that these advice givers themselves haven't put nearly as much thought and especially action into their futures as I have my own. The average westerner is so quick to pedagogy, again because this allows to assume moral superiority and power without having actually done anything to earn or validate it, you have my contempt.

>>17631814
Something significantly more elaborate and involved is rquired to correct societal problems than bettering your personal affairs. This isn't a bad way to approach that answer, or at least no worse than other methods.

>>17628866
The propaganda spats from both sides is a circus for the peons of the world since the elites of both countries have no problems cooperating with each other at the highest levels to ensure that both see the continuation of arms sales

>>17632107
https://www.youtube.com/c/serpentza/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

>>17632107
You were clearly either fooled by the shiny exterior that the Chinese intentionally and falsely portray as reality; something Westerners often fall for because of how alien the idea of valuing appearances even to the detriment of real performance is to our values. Or you are Chink-shit yourself. To the Chinese upholding appearances is the basis with which all Chinese operate, from the peasantry to the CCP. The outer layer could not be further from the truth when it comes to Chinese culture and you can NOT understand them if you believe it to be true.
I hope, against logic, that it's the latter and you're a shill, because the former is saddening. You supposedly visited a high-tier city, spent time in its tourist areas and now you are here rambling about what a lovely place the Chinese Potemkin Village is and how much greener the grass is on the other side. Arguing about how the West is decadent, morally corrupt and rotting and the CCP-led China is supposedly better because they value the face more than the interior?

>>17624457
tbqh a big part of it is how common narrow faces and narrow palates are these days, with a large percentage of kids needing braces at some point. Poor modern diets will simply lead to poorer physical development, and unfortunately probably also stunted brain development compared to what was an individual's true potential.

>>17632072
Ramble like a schizophrenic to strangers who don't want to see or hear you is your solution to the erosion of local communities and atomization in society?
>bro, just build your own community lmao
Do you even understand the subject of what is being discussed, have you read Bowling Alone, or the studies involved, even a Wikipedia article on the subject?

>>17632275
forgot pic
Read this guy's book btw. He didn't know about the gut microbiome in his day but he was the among the first to see the trend of degeneration of modern people's physical development and attempt to seriously investigate and write about it

>>17632275
>>17632290
What's the book name?

And anymore books on this topic? I feel that I eat fairly well, as I have to track macros for muscle gain from the gym. But I'd like to know more

>>17632284
It's funny isn't it?

>Just reverse the nationwide trends of societal change bro!

>>17632403
Nutrition and Physical Degeneration
Basically, the worst retards or teen delinquents/young criminals he encountered always shared common physical outward traits of that narrow face and narrow palate with crowded or poor teeth. Sometimes extremely narrow.

>>17632446
Does it talk about how to avoid these issues through correct diet?

>>17632459
Yeah. Basically it just asks people to stop eating crap like sugar and tons of white flour (which we also now know fucks up gut flora, and if theyre fucked other things can get fucked) and eat more organ meats, fish (including fish liver and eggs), high quality fermented dairy from grass fed animals. Traditionally prepared grains like sourdough are preferable for carbs. Obviously it wont help teeth someone is already an adult with fucked up teeth, but nothing wrong with getting more building blocks to strengthen them

>>17632487
Thanks
I'm a britbong so my teeth are genetically fairly bad, had braces etc etc.
But I am still interested in improving my health through diet, which is already fairly good.
I wonder what kids of those who only eat chicken nuggets look like.......

>>17632737
Compared to his time decades ago the whole problem with public health related to junk food diets has only gotten worse. Especially since microbiome damage can worsen through the generations since children inherit gut flora directly from their mothers. Part of getting strong and mentally stable people has a lot to do with what babies get from their mothers' diets and flora for early optimal development but all of that is only increasingly jeopardized by things like birth control pills (terrible for gut flora) and western poor food.
Grandparents at least ate liver and onions or cod liver oil out of regular habit in their days, getting some bioavailable nutrient density from somewhere.

>>17632951
did you read that thing about how they found microplastics in a woman's womb lol

>>17631897
Do you think that because we posted in this thread that we don't have lives and goals outside of the thread?
Do you think that if we posted about the links between "diversity" and low social trust, and the inability of Westerners to discuss demographic anxiety without tripping the racism wire on a website where we DID have faces and names that smug losers with Stalin avatars wouldn't get us fired from our jobs?

>>17632951
I see, I will aim to improve my gut flora then.
Tfw gf is on birth control pills as she gets bad side effects from periods. Uh oh

>>17632951
So to improve gut and general health, whole foods, organ meat, fresh fruit and veg, onions, fish and other things dense in nutrients are required?

>>17633221
>>17633214

you might look into probiotics and things like kefir

>>17624116
me

>>17625074
Small towns are dying because the industries that used to support them have evaporated.

good thread guys, and God bless you all