/lit/ - Literature

>>17563619
Venus in Furs

>>17563619
why would you want to cure that?

>>17563619
Your Brain on Porn: Internet Pornography and the Emerging Science of Addiction - Gary Wilson

How are these Japs so good at *subtly* drawing the female form? Are they born with this gift? Do they undergo some sort of training?

Hit rock bottom first

>>17563636
there are no women that are capable of being dominant without it being cringe and the man consciously limiting himself

t. used to be into femdom before realizing it was a dead end

>>17563636
When I'm horny I feel such an overwhelming and intense desire that I forget all conceptions of dignity and lower myself into the most servile, base, grovelling animal imaginable. Then when I ejaculate I come to my senses and feel immense shame and can't even look at my girlfriend without wanting to disfigure her face. I feel it is a perversion and lack of masculinity.

>>17563650
dude it's just a clothed girl. not even particularly well-drawn. but some of them are proper artists and really good, yes, most hentai and manga has really bad art though it's sufficient for the coomer.

>>17563658
not to mention most women absolutely despise men who aren't dominant and somewhat oogabooga unfeeling.

>>17563619
It's the most patrician fetish.

>>17563724
sadism-madochism is usually paired i.e. someone who likes to be a sub also likes to be a dom

>>17563658
>there are no women that are capable of being dominant without it being cringe and the man consciously limiting himself

Try pegging with ropes. You don't have to limit yourself since you won't be able to break them, and she'll be dominating and taking advantage of you.

>>17563676
hm. sounds like you're going to be a serial killer once you hit your 40s

>>17563712
>dude it's just a clothed girl. not even particularly well-drawn.

Technically perhaps "not particularly well-drawn," but I just don't see the same feel for the subtle nuances of the female form in, e.g., American graphic novels.

>>17563812
fham...

>>17563812
That's still you adopting an artificial limitation. I'm talking particularly on the psychological level, btw. Women do have their own ways to manipulate men but after a while you can easily see through it. Being the dominant one is simply not their natural function.

>>17563831
>but I just don't see the same feel for the subtle nuances of the female form in, e.g., American graphic novels.

Anime has no subtle nuances of the female form, they're all just anorexic card-board cutouts.

>>17563839
>That's still you adopting an artificial limitation

No it's not. It's no more an artificial limitation than slavery was for thousands of years.

none, hope this helps!

>>17563676
Sounds like you have deep-seated, possibly repressed, anger towards women that humiliated and/or dominated you in your childhood.

>>17563906

>>17563676
>When I'm horny I feel such an overwhelming and intense desire that I forget all conceptions of dignity and lower myself into the most servile, base, grovelling animal imaginable. Then when I ejaculate I come to my senses and feel immense shame and can't even look at my girlfriend without wanting to disfigure her face. I feel it is a perversion and lack of masculinity.
are you a conservative

>>17563964
Kek

I wish women had the same upper body strengh as men instead of only 75% so they could beat me up without me having to hold back.

>>17563676
Inverse the fetish and masturbate to the idea of absolutely dominating and destroying the woman.

>>17563676
cringe, be the good goy you know you're supposed to be

>>17563942
>>17563906
>bitches in spandex

stop

>>17563972
We need to begin a feminist eugenics project. Also,
>relationship goals.jpg
R00fles!

>>17563619
>What books will cure my desire for female sexual domination?

>>17563935
I was bullied in school but I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I remember from a very young, possibly pre-sexual age I derived pleasure from imagining myself as a servant for my schoolmates and one time I even asked my father to beat me "because it feels nice". Another time I came to school dressed as a girl on a non-uniform day (for some reason my family never stopped me). Maybe it has something to do with my being a social outcast as a child, I don't know, but I know that this sexual desire is a form of terrible weakness and effeminacy which is not restricted to sex but infects my social life and character as well. Every time I act sexually submissive with my girlfriend I feel anger and shame at myself afterwards. This is why I desperately want to eradicate it.

>>17563942
Are all superheroines hoes? I get the feeling each of them has hopped on at least a dozen superhero and supervillain dicks. Fuck, even Louis Lane cucks fricking Superman with at least Batman.

>>17564018
I started working out every day for a year almost and it hasn't changed it yet. Maybe it'll come through soon.

>>17563619
>>17563906
>>17563942
>>17563972
you all have awful taste

>>17564040
You have to stop watching sissy hypno too.

>>17564068
Lesbians are boring.

>>17563619
It's just a kink anon, you don't have to act on it if you don't want to.

>>17564068
>crossdressing with tomboy domme gf
based

>>17563619
edged so hard to femdom it hurt to coom last time lads

>>17564113
it's the dom that's interesting. the sub is irrelevant in this instance.

Anyway I prefer a different blond from FA:B, but that picture is hotter.

>>17563619
Diversify your interests.

>>17563658

This

>>17564159
So you prefer dominant women to be a bit more masculine/butch/tomboyish. That's why you say our taste is "awful". A girl doesn't have to lose her feminity to be dominant.

>>17563619

I replaced my femdom fetish with cuckolding, I imagine that's not quite the advise you're looking for though.

I have this mind virus too. It has ruined my life. I'd rather be incel than sub.

>>17564023

It sounds like your a natural sub. I think the tension might come from not having an alternative outlet for wanting to serve/help others and so it becomes fetishized. Try to steer it out to non sexual outlets that aren't humiliating, lile volunteer work. I can't say I relate to your circumstances so I'm just hazarding a guess with armchair psychobabble

>>17563676
Go. Outside.

1=interacting with a bunch of real life men and women and not letting yourself idealize/fantasize. Just look at them plainly as they actually are. Your fantasy is just that, a fantasy.

2=detoxify your mind from the sexual, focus on more colder and more rigorous reading, Stem is fine, more systematic philosophy, religious lit.

3=embrace your most base masculinity, whether that’s going to the gym, drinking with the boys, watching shonen shit, reading Conan the barbarian, watching action movies while listening to low quality metal, whatever. Just embrace your more bestial masculinity.

4=stop jerking off or if you cannot do this, do not desire to do this, jerk off to stuff which you believe to be of a higher quality in terms of your morals, ideals, raw artistic quality/cultivation and so forth.


Stop wanting a mommy to baby you, stop feeling like crap. You have the phallus, you are the dominator. Embrace yourself.

>>17563830
>Submissive pussy boy
>Serial killer

Pick one.

>>17564291
>Dude just go to the gym and pretend it's not real.

Holy delusion.

>>17564237
I honestly believe a good chunk of cucks are just homosexuals in denial. Beginning with femdom, moving to cucking what’s the next logical progression? Sex with a man where you’re the bottom. If it is not homosexuality, why do you desire to see another man? It is because you sexualize the man in some level.

I do not mean to be offensive, and of course tell me how I’m wrong, but it just seems like a cover up for homosexuality in many cases.

>>17564298
you're an idiot. watch more true crime. most serial killers are pussies with mommy issues that hate women, and a lot have psychosexual issues, which is why they finally snap.

>>17564078
well fuck

>>17564305
It’s not pretending it’s not real, it’s simply not feeding the bad behavior and replacing it with behaviors more acceptable. What is wrong with replacing his desire that he clearly doesn’t want with going to the gym, hanging out with the lads, dealing with real women and so forth? Is it better if he pays a woman to step on his balls until they burst?

>>17563906
>FIERCE! STRONG! AMAZING WOMAN!
litteral hucow

>>17564357
What's a hucow?

>>17564336
Show me a single serial killer who was sexually submissive. All serial killers are sexually doms with psychopathic tendencies. Sexual submission anti-thetical to the act of killing someone.

>>17563619

>>17563650
theyre the best yeah but it ruins it how I cant shake the thought of some lecherous weird looking dude hunched over his own drawing with a boner, wiping off the drool. every. time.

>>17564306

For some cucks yeah probably. But it's an incomplete explanation and doesn't apply to everyone. I have no desire to take anything in my ass or be feminized. For me I'd say the root cause is emotional masochism. As another poster mentioned however female domination is really contrived, but to be dominated/humiliated by getting cheated on does not.

Another aspect to it is that cucking is basically porn translated to real life, enjoying either, the enjoyment is vicarious. When you jerk off to porn you usually self insert, the flip side of this is that you are training your brain to associate watching sex is as pleasurable as having it.

>>17564277
what's the end game for natural subs
>inb4: lifelong involuntary celibacy

>>17564377
https://youtu.be/yrbZxtuUdsQ

>>17563676
Get help. No, seriously, that is not healthy.

>>17563917
not really. slavery developed out of prisoners of war (supporting people who don't do anything is quite costly) and selling oneself into servitude to pay debt or survive.

>>17563724
As long as you can dick her down ungabunga style 80% of the time, she's usually more than happy to accommodate sitting on your face 20% of the time.
Femdom is an eroticization of real life dynamics, such as the erotic tension found between male students and their female teachers, male employees and their female bosses, male youth and friends of their mom (or even their mom), but actually doing femdom with a sexual partner is very much you getting what you want from her- she's doing something she wouldn't have come up with on her own to make you happy. That erotic tension lies in the dominant woman concealing a submissive inner persona, her idea that you might bring it out and reveal a symbolic dominance over her. The domination comes from her making you reveal that internal submission in her. It's very interpenetrative, complicated, and fucking hot.
But don't kid yourself- actual real-life femdom roleplay has always been the domain of good-natured or financially motivated women doing what men want them to do, it is decidedly un-feminist, and is not actually "women in power," as a lot of lifestyle adherents like to believe. She wouldn't be doing it unless you told her to.
I would love to find a genuinely sadistic, possessive woman NOT motivated by a desire to please me or take my money with whom I could engage in some of my fantasies, but she doesn't exist. That's life.

>>17563631
Shiny shiny, shiny boots of leatha

The desire for female domination arises out of sexual inexperience and ungratified lust. In primitive societies where promiscuity is the norm men lack that idealistic, worshipful view of woman that is common in our culture. It is only when womanly chastity became a virtue and men's lust became hard to attain that man put woman on a pedestal as the object of supreme beauty and frustrated desire. He began to seek ways to impress her, to win her favour, and in the heat of passion to worship her. The most extreme examples of this come from the medieval knightly tales, representing a time of intense sexual prudery, where the knight quite literally becomes analogous to a submissive in a BDSM relationship, performing all sorts of tasks for his lady, kneeling before her, and pining away in a forest at the thought of her absence/rejection.
In short, your issue is that you are probably an incel (I don't believe you have a girlfriend as you've said in this thread) with very little experience with women. This has made you sexually frustrated and so you've conceptualised woman as an object of yearning and worship. It is okay, all men do this in our society, it is just that in your case it has become extreme.

>>17563619
Is it weird that I don't have a specific fetish but understand and can enjoy most of them? People always seem to be focused on one thing. Same with women in general, I don't have a type. Anyone can relate?

>>17564736
There is a whole lot of cope here and also you are wrong, vicious, evil, possessive, cruel women exist but they are nothing like you what you think they are, they are not a pleasant fantasy they will legitimately attempt to destroy your life if things don't go their way. Women don't "dominate" in the way men do, she will use violence, insults and manipulation in private as she wishes, but in public she will lie, cheat, defame, divide, isolate, destroy and broadly speaking plot harm with zero restraints. She'll play the victim. Speak to any narcissistic or BPD bitch. These sociopathic creatures are nothing like you think.

>>17564843

Where do I sign up?

>>17564843
there's zero cope in my post but I can tell you've had a rough history with chicks so I'm gonna let your blatant faggotry slide

>>17564736
I disagree that femdom is an eroticization of power dynamics. I think the "domination" involved in femdom is worship, and the submission that you can create through such worship. This goes for both femdom and regular bdsm. This worship stems from the sexual impulse, aka in Stendhal's words "To love—that is to have pleasure in seeing, touching, feeling, through all the senses and as near as possible, an object to be loved and that loves us". This is the first, most basic stage of sex. This can evolve in either of two directions: pleasure in worshipping, or pleasure in being worshipped. When thought about this way, it becomes clear:
being a sub is enjoyable because of the pleasure in worshipping something you like
being a dom is enjoyable because of the pleasure in being worshipped by something you like
This is the second stage. As this worship gets more extreme, the ways of worshipping also get more extreme: piss drinking, scat play, ballbusting, the use of painful tools, etc. This trains the mind to enjoy being in a state of pain around a loved one, or to enjoy the other being in pain at your hand through conditioning. This is the third stage. The final stage, where the mind has connected feeling pain with pleasure, is the most extreme. People at this stage do not even need the other torturing, or even need to be the torturer of the other, in order to get off. Beating, cutting, bruising, self-humiliation, all become attractive. If I was to model this, it would be like so:
Pleasure in others being in pain <- Pleasure in torturing <- Pleasure in being worshipped <- Pleasure in touching -> Pleasure in worship -> Pleasure in being tortured -> Pleasure in oneself being in pain
Other fetishes are just odd things which your mind has been trained to associate with sex (examples: inflation, furries, children).

>>17564818
I don't think you can equate yearning with worship. By not having something, do I thereby worship it more? I don't know, but you haven't thought to demonstrate that.

>>17564872
You do not understand. You are still high on intellectualised and fantastical forms of sexuality. You may find this hot, but this is only because you desire it. Unfortunately, real life does not go according to script and things will happen that you absolutely do not desire. Then it will be too late to fix things.
>>17564884
There is definitely a lot of cope in your post, but no, my history with this type of women has been at the sidelines. I've seen how they operate and what they can do, though.

>>17564890
See but that whole "worship" idea exists only in your own head. Anyway if you want to examine it psychoanalytically, all fetishes are a misfire.

>>17564818

Eh. Some fetishes are learned by association. I believe my female domination/latex fetish kicked in when I watched Power Rangers as a kid. But who knows...

>>17563972
75% is very generous bro

>>17564919

I was only kidding. But I do believe that female domination is really just male domination (men demanding women to dominate him). As for truly female dominants of the kind you describe--yeah, no thanks.

>>17564920
What do you mean by the "worship" idea existing only in my head? Why would the idea of worship exist only in MY head? Are you implying I am wrong? If so, show me in which way I am wrong. Are you implying that worship is fake? If so, that can be refuted by me desiring something (or you desiring something). What do you mean by "fetishes being a misfire"? A misfire of what?

>>17564938
Even if it is, what turns the man on is not him dominating the female to dominate him, but the female dominating him. Because the former is involved in sex does not mean it is the object of desire in sex.

>>17564023
This might be hard for you to hear, anon, but I do not believe this type of thing is easily eradicated. As you have already figured out on your own, it's not subject to merely rational commands. It operates on a level beneath rationality and eludes rational control. You can not determine when and how it manifests, but you can determine your reaction to you, even if that may prove challenging. I do not know if it can be eradicated, but it can be neutralised. What you need to do is assert control over what is in your power - namely, your personal life. Just because these degrading forces have wormed their way into your inner life, does not mean that they get a free hand to express themselves as they see fit. There are various ways to ensure your control over what is and is not allowed to manifest in your life - one method would be strengthening your concentration and willpower with something like meditation, another would be living your life in a way that prevents you from coming in contact with triggers that awaken these forces. Another thing that helps is a counterweight that can neutralise these forces in the moment. When temptation arrives, you need something of equal or greater force in order to move forward. God can be one such solution. I believe the reason people would "submit to God" or in non-Abrahamic traditions accept the authority of the divine as supreme was precisely in order to avoid the situation where dark and degrading, non-rational impulses seize control of their lives.
I can't offer any more help right now, but I hope this is useful to you and I wish that you may persevere and eventually find peace, tranquillity and self-control free of these problems.

>>17564945
There's no way to show you you're wrong, you invented the whole thing, this isn't something you can debate rationally. Best I can do is indicate that, if you were correct, we wouldn't have to pay dominatrixes or seek out partners who indulge us. There would be plenty of women hunting down guys to sexually worship them. I buy that there's an insignificant tiny group of them but that's not who actually engages in femdom activity.
To your question, desiring any sexual activity other than vanilla penis in vagina heterosexual sex is a misfire, psychoanalytically speaking- secondary to some derangement or imbalance in normal developmental process. Read Freud.

>>17564669
Suicide because it turns you on so much, as I explained in >>17564890

>>17563676
That's like the most masculine thing I could possibly imagine, and you need to find love.

>>17564958
this is /lit/, you fucking turd

take that garbage you just posted back to /adv/

>>17564938
There are some bits of truth in your argument that most women find this type of sexuality repulsive, but this idea that being sexually degraded is actually somehow an expression of assertiveness and dominance is untrue.

>>17564972
This is obviously not a /lit/ thread so go cry more about it retard

>>17564960
If I was correct you wouldn't have to seek out partners to indulge your fantasies? Everyone has to seek out partners to indulge their fantasies! And when did I imply that the split between sub and dom for each sex is 50/50? Because I certainly never did in my post. The reasons you have for disliking my post are not contained in my post.

>>17564961
i don't want to die but i would like to be choked by a lady

>>17563812
No I dotn think I will lmao

>>17564976

I dunno anon, me paying a domme to stomp on my balls is sorta assertive.

>>17564991
I know, because you are not at the final stage yet. >>17564890 demonstrates the development of a sub. A 10 year old who just started liking girls isn't going to suddenly want to cut off his arm to get sexual pleasure jfl.

>>17564971
That's not masculine at all, you fucking tranny. You have a twisted view of the sexes, which is why all your advice ITT is so utterly pozzed.

>>17564960
>>17564958
kys

>>17565003
The real question is what is being asserted and over who exactly? The domme isn't being dominated by you, she's engaging in a transaction. At the same time, a parasitic, pathological sexual desire has asserted itself over you to the extent that it can dispense with your money.

>>17564908
>By not having something, do I thereby worship it more?
No but lust is such a powerful desire in men that having it regularly frustrated by rejection leads to an idealisation and worship of woman. We see this all the time in our culture. Men engage in a form of worship by lavishing praises on the woman, buying her gifts and flowers, paying for her meals, opening doors for her, thinking of her as an object of sublime beauty, and so on. The reason men are driven to act this way is because of women's power to reject them. I also gave an example of medieval tales of romance, where sexual frustration becomes so extreme it makes men literally act like devoted slaves. I suspect OP's case is analogous to that of the chivalrous medieval knight.

>>17565007
I am the last posted you tagged and I am really not sure why you are telling me to kms. Did you read my post at all?

>>17564960

Not the anon you're talking to, but it excites me to no end that, due to my fetishes, I harbor some inner derangement. I don't mind. Really. Such petty perversions add a little color to my gray world.

>>17565006
where does autogynephilia fit in with all of this

>>17565013

Parasite screams invective to me. I'm not sure I've been taken over by any one thing. Like I said somewhere above, I know exactly when my fetishes kicked in. I guess the difference between me and the OP is, I don't see any problem with succumbing to fantasy/desire.

>>17565014
It certainly is an interesting thought. I believe the gap can be bridged between "yearning" and "worshipping" by realizing that, as you said, by being forced to yearn for something, you have to go "lavishing praises on the woman, buying her gifts and flowers, paying for her meals, opening doors for her", which creates an association between sexual desire and this desperation, which creates this attitude we describe as worship. Being a simp could actually make you addicted to femdom. How much is simping different from being a paypig?

>>17565030
>autogynephilia

It's just a mental disorder like OCD or schizophrenia. Nothing to freak out over.

Call of the Crocodile

>>17565023
well I don't think any analyst would try to "cure" this derangement unless it was causing some type of difficulty in your personal or professional life, or putting in you legitimately dangerous positions. it's just abnormal and so they seek a mechanism for it, and that mechanism tends to be some sort of over- or under-developed libidinal stage or defense mechanism.
But so are most aspects of our personalities, you know? No big deal, didn't mean to make it seem like some kind of deep flaw or whatever. The homosexuals got all pissed off about this too, but we still don't have a mechanism of homosexuality rooted in evidence that doesn't include some sort of childhood trauma. Doesn't mean it's "wrong" or "unhealthy" to be gay, especially now that it's seen as normal.

>>17565030
There are many different ways you can be turned on through crossdressing. One is in a stage 3 humiliation through the other type way. That is very common in porn, when a man is demasculinized. Another way is through stage 1 touching, where you desire the other sex and so just become them (this is an innocent one which is probably most common in children who haven't understood social norms yet). Another way is because you are gay and want to submit, please, and worship another man (stage 2 sub).

>>17565064
it's a paraphilia, nor a disorder per se until it starts fucking with someone's quality of life or safety.

>>17565023
Remember, it is freud who is calling you deranged, which is really based off of nothing but a naturalism fallacy.

>>17565085

No worries. I just sort of laugh off my peculiarities. What else am I to do?

>>17565140
Deeply soi sentiments in this post.

>>17565147
uh, just chill about it, maybe seek to understand it a little more and thus understand yourself a little more, rather than seeing it as a positive thing like some kind of reddit guy indoctrinated by globohomo

>>17565057
Yes but it doesn't just change the way men act towards women but the way they see them as well. A sick man doesn't just yearn for health, he idealises it ('When I get better I'm going to start appreciating life!'). Similarly a sexually frustrated man idealises woman and puts her on a pedestal above him, which in extreme cases translates to femdom...

>>17564958
>>17564890
This guy knows what's what. This is the voice of wisdom in this thread.

>>17565163
Keep on engaging with purely vaginal sex while Freud tells you what sexual positions you can and can't do while my "soi" ass anally rapes your mom.

>>17564840
I think tis because some people have a fetish rooted in some weird experience when they were younger so it is what they fixate on and the logic often doesn't make sense as opposed to an eclectic who can logically understand most of them but has no irrational compulsions

>>17565190
you've gotta go back.

>>17565173

Kek. Who said I wasn't chill? Maybe you mean the OP...

>>17565209
You want Freud to put you into chastity on what you can and cannot do and are calling me reddit? Stop coping.

>>17563812
Good luck teaching a girl how to tie you up; I do 90% of the work for my wife and she still does a sloppy job.

>>17563619
The shame about this thing is something I will never understand. I'm rather submissive when it comes to sex. What's the problem with that?

>>17565241
you're the one who interpreted me pointing out your peculiarities as some kind of attack against your stupid preferences. I didn't start insulting you until you responded to a completely nonjudgmental post with obvious defensiveness, you fucking faggot retard nigger nigger nigger monkey chimp ape reddit beta cuck.

>>17565098
>you desire the other sex and so just become them
ETLE (erotic target location error) is frequently cited as a cause for agp it's hardly considered innocent though

>>17565262
You don't know my preferences. I made an argument against Freud's valuations and you immediately called me soi through an ad hom. That was our first interaction: you being a completely insufferable moron spouting jibberish. I then BTFO'd you twice but you still wont shut up and now are just going full delusion mode.

>>17565054
I am not calling you a parasite. I am saying that this desire is parasitic, which it is, IMO. How does it enrich your life? All it does is generate desire and demand a resolution. This is why it is parasitic. If you have no problem with that, then you are free to ignore it.

>>17565273
By innocent, I mean it is done by the inexperienced. ELTE seems to be a very hard thing to develop late into a fetish. I believe autistic people would probably be more susceptible to it because they have difficulty percieving social norms, hence the common meme of CS majors being trannies.

>>17565283

It's a silly desire to be sure, but a desire nonetheless. Like any desire, I've taught myself to ignore its call.

>>17565280
Arguing against freud's valuations in your cunty manner of pointing out a "naturalism fallacy," when the natural state as a baseline to which abnormal states are compared is taken as a given- on which the rest of his analysis is built, rather than some sort of conclusion, is inherently soi and reddit. You also keep on mistakenly pointing out fallacies, which is faggy and you're a retard with a gay little liberal posture who can't argue about ideas without appealing to some kind of reddit-tier ideological framework. Stop replying, stupid bitch.

>>17565283
But the resolution is enjoyable. If you truly do think like that, then why aren't you a monk trying to escape samsara? Are you a Schopenhaurian, compaining about the futility of the world? I don't understand why you just wouldn't kill yourself if you don't believe in reincarnation, since desire itself is "parasitic". It is either you are suffering from strong anhedonia and will soon come to your senses, or just have not thought enough about the beauty of fetishization because of prejudice or inherited christian-american discomfort with sex.

>>17565312
>when the natural state as a baseline to which abnormal states are compared is taken as a given
but he doesn't justify why abnormal is bad. It is a naturalism fallacy. You are just mad because reddit sometimes uses the word "fallacy" to refute things and so lash out like a baby whenever someone uses the word. The naturalism fallacy is a reddit tier ideological framework? The naturalism fallacy has been known before reddit even existed, jfl at your subhuman IQ.

I do believe there is something in femdom, though I pull a line between the playful and the pathological, which Sacher-Masoch crossed for instance.
There is something deeply romantic in giving over the reins to the woman, letting her (ab)use you. Though being still aware it's just a game, albeit a very intimate, between lovers. I am reminded here of a phrase in Schlegel's Lucinde, I recall from memory: in trying the thousand ways of love I shall become the female and you the male.
It gets pathological, id est perverted and sick, when a man reverts the roles for good in his life and becomes submissive. I am aware that many men are like this today due to lack of role models and education, so many of get attracted to femdom, but before they can properly evolve sexually and morally, thus they become pathologically submissive.

Why do you guys have so much trouble finding dominant girls? I find them all the time, just this week a long time friend of mine called me up to give me a slave-name, set me punishments and control my orgasms. Another long time friend just broke up with her boyfriend and is making me call her mummy/restarting our flirting. Another keeps teasing me with the offer of beating me up. I've also had several long term f f/m relationships in the past - and the girl I'm speaking to seriously atm is hinting that shes that way inclined. Whenever I want to be a dom it's open to me too.

It always shocks me how many men go through life with these desires unfulfilled when it's so easy.

Have you guys tried just being more attractive to women in general? Failing that, adopt the push-pull power dynamic technique of flirting.

>>17565338
Nah, you have no idea what you're talking about. Which is why I told you to stop posting, retard faggot.
If you're wondering why I'm getting so abusive here, it's because I can tell you're a reddit faggot- therefore, with my powers of logic, I can conclude a few things. You probably are overweight and hypertensive, thus, if I speak to you abusively enough, and get you feeling angry enough, hopefully you'll stroke out and die right here at your keyboard.
Otherwise, being a reddit faggot, I know you probably have acute on chronic depression with suicidal ideation- so, if I tell you what I know about you (which is that the world would be better off without you, and you'd be doing humanity a favor by necking yourself), maybe you will actually finally commit suicide and rid the world of your noxious presence. THAT's how you use logic.
Faggot bitch. You don't know anything.

>>17565306
That does imply a certain level of opposition, though. Perhaps effortless and casual opposition, bu certainly some form of opposition.
>>17565314
Is it enjoyable? I have found that the drive to achieve orgasm is much stronger than the pleasure derived from the actual orgasm. Moreover, the pleasure itself is transient and temporary and does nothing for me. Just because something is pleasurable does not necessarily make it good.
>If you truly do think like that, then why aren't you a monk trying to escape samsara?
Incidentally, I am fond of Zazen practice. I do not think my purpose is to go to a monastery though. I might change my opinion on this in the future.
>Are you a Schopenhaurian, compaining about the futility of the world?
The world is not "futile", it simple is, IMO.
>I don't understand why you just wouldn't kill yourself if you don't believe in reincarnation, since desire itself is "parasitic".
I don't believe in reincarnation but I see no purpose in killing myself either. Why should I kill myself just because - some - desire is parasitic? There's nothing necessarily wrong with desire in general, so long as you have complete and uncontested dominance over it and are free to choose what you want to do. The issue with most types of desire is that they wage a war of attrition on you for your attention and lifespan.
>It is either you are suffering from strong anhedonia and will soon come to your senses, or just have not thought enough about the beauty of fetishization because of prejudice or inherited christian-american discomfort with sex.
Uh. Nothing about fetish sex is "beautiful". It's extreme, feverish lust in a refined form.

>>17563972
>75%
more like 50% if roided out of their minds

>>17565373
I do think entering the femdom dating game is a good idea for people who think mainstream dating is rough for guys. Forget 80/20, it's more like 90/10. Actually getting a domme (no, not one you paid for) does wonders for the confidence of a person. When it came to vanilla dating, I felt like I was striking gold with success rates others moaned about.

>>17565398
That's a good point, my mainstream dating has been massively improved since getting into femdom irl. Before my first domme I was pretty bad with women, since that relationship ended I've slept with models and 8/9s and usually (ok sometimes) get the girl my group of friends compete over.

I think it might have something to do with what this anon says, there's something about femdom that lets you understand the feminine and the submissive, and that experience gives you a certain confidence and bearing.
>>17565369

>>17565373

I'm sure these girls exist, I just don't make a concerted effort to find them. If I'm really needing someone to domme me, I'll just pay for it.

>>17565427
Totally fair option honestly, good way to get the really heavy stuff done to you without worrying about your relationship.

>>17565257
Cultural norms make it seem degenerate. Consider how most mainstream femdom pornography really is degenerate (like most 3DPD pornography is, IMO), what with the whips and the latex suits and extreme degradation. That is what comes to mind when most people hear femdom. If the less extreme stuff like in the OP image were more mainstream, it would be different. I consider myself extremely submissive but dominatrix porn is vomit-inducing to me. Also, there's a big difference between being submissive sexually and submissive all around. The former is fine, but the latter is a sign of mental issues in both men and women honestly.

>>17565484
>Also, there's a big difference between being submissive sexually and submissive all around. The former is fine, but the latter is a sign of mental issues in both men and women honestly
This is a good point I hadn't considered

>>17565484
>the rats
FUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOU REZE WAS BEST GIRL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

I thought I was into femdom for a long time but I think I have a mild case. I'm a mild footfag and I like eating pussy and ass, and I like when the girl is a bit selfish and self-assured, and doesn't act like it's all about me. The "worship" aspect is what appeals to me, my gf knowing she's so desirable to me that I would worship her, and then taking advantage of it and gloating about it somewhat.

But all this mommy business, the plastic penises, the costumes, I don't understand. It seems arbitrary. My fetish is seeing a girl be selfish and make it all about her. Why would I make her wear costumes and dictate how often I can fap? Why would she care?

>>17565484

Any reason why you'd consider latex and whips degenerate? Both are pretty common in femdom--really bells and whistles shit.

>>17565484
Yea I agree with this, I can't stand the porn for this fetish because it's so obviously a coomer man giving the women a list of ten things to do that they don't care about or understand. It's hard to find normal porn of a woman enjoying being eaten out but I can find a thousand videos of them swinging from hooks and slapping a guy's dick with a whip.

>>17565585
Romance/erotica novels are your friend desu

>>17563619
the bible

>>17565516
They were all best girl anon, there's just a lot more thread-related artwork of Makima. Here's one for you.
>>17565556
That stuff is intrinsically fetishistic. If a guy did it to a girl it'd also be considered abnormal and a little taboo. The way most anons describe femdom it's less a particular fetish and more an overarching sexual orientation or persuasion. You wouldn't necessarily say a gay man has a "gay fetish" would you? A straight, sexually submissive guy is just that, submissive.
>>17565585
It really needs a different name. Role-reversal is becoming more common but I dislike its association with stuff outside of sex. Femdom is fucking tainted though. I'd never, ever tell a girl I was into femdom.

>>17565684
Rather than "I'm into femdom", I find talking about what things in particular I enjoy. Perhaps I'm lucky though. My desires are VERY vanilla compared to the image of a femdom enthusiast.

>>17565540

Plastic penises, costumes, etc. are mere gradations to the fetish. Some people dig it, others don't. To each their own is what I say.

PLEASE beat me up.

>>17565373
I would rather be unsatisfied than to be so overcome by sexuality that I'm willing to degrade myself for a moment of sexual pleasure. You say this like it is something to be proud of, but your degenerate lifestyle won't lead you to any sort of long term victory.

>>17565373
Seriously what is your social strategy? Im only really good at attracting art hoes who are invariably extremely submissive, and I'm convinced I'm just putting out the wrong signals because that is not my go-to type.

>>17564377
holy fuck you're stupid

>>17563619
>>17563831
>>17563972
>>17564068
>>17564159
>>17563650
>>17564418
Seeing dumb kids who know nothing about art state how their preference for a particular aesthetic is proof of mastery of form is laughable and always makes me cringe in both hilarity and embarrassment at the artistic education our children are getting in Europe/US. Miyazaki can see it in nearly all anime/manga, and it sickens him, and one of the first things you'll be told in art school is to quit "drawing that crap" (when the weeb inevitably draws something). The modern style of Japanese pop-art (anime) was derived originally as inspiration from Disney, and developed over time to be produced more and more quickly, on tighter schedules and smaller budgets.

These examples are fucking awful, and if we're talking about still images, the West absolutely reigns supreme. It's not even a fucking contest.

>>17563676
Have you considered that your arousal around being dominated stems precisely from some relation to your ideal of masculinity?
Either your stated ideal is not genuine and conflicts with your actual instinct, or it is actually your ideal but it conflicts with your self-image, or the whole duality is a screen to some trauma or somesuch fuckery. In any way you have some investigation to do about the whole complex. Therapy, psycholanalysis, meditation, religious conversion, speaking with your mother, and a variety of other common investigation methods might be tried.

>>17563619
Interact with actual women

>>17566750
We could go even further and just cut the pop part out entirely

>>17563831
Check out some higher end art, anon.

>>17566849
Or if you guys want to go full force erotic, check out konstantin razumov

>>17566839
>>17566849

>>17566863

>>17566866
Based

>>17566863
I have a decent collection of high-end art that's just nudes/erotica.

>>17566839
wow that's one of the nicest reproductions of that i've seen, usually they're overly red and you can't see the details on her dress or the people's eyes. if i ever end up in los angeles i'm definitely peeping it irl.

>>17566880

>>17564818
God I hate psychology

>>17563676
same

>>17566750
What kind of insecure pseud writes this drivel?
I'm not here to discuss Shostakovich's soulful etudes or Boticelli's masterful use of chiaroscuro, I'm here to post this art because it's hot and appeals to my fetish lmao.

>>17564418
This is exactly why I can't beat off to cartoons. Waifufags are true fags, masturbating to another man's fantasies.

>>17566921
whoever it is you responded to was responding to people who were saying the Japanese were superior artists of the female form, weren't really targeting you in particular

>>17564306
There's a number of reasons for it, including:
>enforcing power of the woman by telling her to sleep with other people
>inciting your masculinity to compete with another male for your wife's/girlfriend's attention
>wanting to be dominated by a woman sexually in a way that allows her total control over who she has sex with
>wanting to be dominated by another male

The fact you instantly go to "homosexuality" speaks volumes more-so about yourself than it does anyone into cuckolding. You should look into that.

>>17566880
Yeah I’m very much into gustav moreau’s works so I really dig around for nice versions to save.

>>17566875
Can’t say I do the same, I have a few pieces I would consider just high quality art in general though.

You guys should check out some of the work of pic related, it’s by Jean Delville. Very underrated and pretty high quality stuff.

But yeah, I think the problem guys is, there’s just not that much exposure for this kind of stuff. We have a ton of diverse depictions, styles and so forth with different subtle nuances.

>>17566921
>I'm not here to discuss Shostakovich's soulful etudes or Boticelli's masterful use of chiaroscuro, I'm here to post this art because it's hot and appeals to my fetish lmao.

>ignores the posts talking about weebs mentioning the SUPERIOR SAMURAI ART

Seems like you're the one that's insecure, bub.

>>17566944
By that logic, everything is another mans fantasy, since all fashion and images of beauty in media are shot/promoted by men.

I think you're just OCD.

>>17566956
Nah sorry, I simply don’t see women as capable of power, doesn’t register to my brain.

Inciting masculinity sure sounds like the turn on is the other dude.

Wanting to be dominated by a woman to The point she fucks other men for no other reason sounds so self hating and pathetic that I find the idea harsh. It’s easier for me to think people do not hate themselves and rather just don’t want to accept they rather fuck a dude.

>wanting to be dominated by another male
>not gay

Stop kidding yourself.

>>17563839
You don't want the real deal. The real deal is simply wiping out your bank account and then taking you to court on top of it.

>>17563676
not the heckin masculinity

>>17566985
>since all fashion and images of beauty in media are shot/promoted by men.
Worse, it's primarily the creation of *homosexual* men, so when you look at most commercial images of women you're looking at a faggot's hateful, mocking paradoy of femininity. Fashion is a machine evil queers use to destroy beautiful girls.

The fantasy sounds sexy in your head but try interacting couples like this irl. It’s actually disgusting. My friend started dating this fat Asian bitch. Let’s just say I’m not friends with him anymore. He turned into a complete faggot. Imagine a dude worshipping a 3/10 hog like chink bitch while she plays femdom songs in the car when they pick you up to hang out.

Last time I hung out with him was the last straw, I’d gotten a little rowdy with my other friend at this other friends beach house that we were staying at. When me and the other friend went to go get more beer the next day he chimps out starts calling me a faggot and shit. I decided better not to drink or I’d probably wring this kids neck, but the rest of the weekend was gay as fuck.

Anyway op point is it’s not nearly as glamorous irl and if you ever did get a femdom gf it’d be a fat hog bitch and you’d look like a total faggot and all your friends would hate you.

A woman can turn a man into a pile of goo just by tickling him. It's pathetic how irrelevant his physical strength becomes in that situation... especially when he's tied down with nowhere to go. Just has to endure it.

>>17567029
Well, if you let any fetish take over your life it's gonna end badly

>>17567079
The whole point of this fetish though is that a girl takes over your life.

>>17566949
>>17566974
This is a blatant thread about discussing our femdom fetishes, suck it up nerds.
And btw, Japanese art is SUPERIOR at making drawn porn. Take that >>>/aco/ shit where it belongs

The gender norms are norms for a reason. Women need a strong man to forge them a path to follow. The man's natural role is the leader, the dominant, the giver in the relationship while the woman is the follower, the submissive, the receiver. This fundamental truth is rooted in our biology and sexual organs. The man has an appendage that can penetrate, while the woman's organ is a reciprocal hole designed to receive. She takes it, he gives it.

>>17567127
nah dude, you are the sore thumb here

>>17565085
>but we still don't have a mechanism of homosexuality rooted in evidence that doesn't include some sort of childhood trauma

I doubt that all instances of homosexuality comes from childhood trauma.

Shut up

>>17563658
Females consistently dominate men in their everyday lives through humiliation and emasculation, my brother. So many women like applying makeup on men who dislike makeup for this very reason.

>>17564736
> not motivated by the desire to please me
Who would try to please you anon?

>>17567133
A leader is someone who is trusted by a group because she/he is capable and responsible to get them what they want.

Nice cope. I doubt anyone would want a leader who demands to be in charge because they were born with a deformity between their legs.

>>17567049
Man I wish I could find a cute male sub

>>17567029
You're a deeply repressed man. Overcome shame. Submit to your female overlords whome you worship from afar.

>>17566750
i think asian art was always 2d
west is obsessed with realism

>>17565585
>It's hard to find normal porn of a woman enjoying being eaten out
you don't know about womanworship?

The femdom porn pipeline is extremely dangerous

Seductress>Gentle femdom>Mistress>Whipping>Foot worship>findom>Ass worship>Sph>Cuckolding>Chastity>Pegging>Forced bisexual>Forced sissyfication>Actual homosexuality

In that order.

>>17563619
Prison School

>>17563650

10,000,000 hours practice culture combined with the sexual repression culture of mainstream japanese society

creates an amazing social underbelly of fetishes expressed with incredible dedication

>>17564818
good post desu

>>17565291
idk the idea of erotic target location seems autistic
the hormones in the womb shit seems more sound to me cause these things are present since childhood and thats also where the submissiveness stems from (feminized part of brain)

>>17567514
>findom>Ass worship>Sph>Cuckolding>Chastity>Pegging>Forced bisexual>Forced sissyfication
lol no
never gonna pay you roastie

>>17567133
This appeal to penetration is the most retarded thing to me. I get the natural comparison to a blade, stabbing, conquering, etc., but you can just as easily reverse it and talk about predation, swallowing, enveloping, consuming, etc.. It's a really shit line of reasoning and I'm tired of armchair evolutionary psychologists jacking themselves off with it.

>>17567601
This. How absurd. Anyone with any sexual experience knows that human sexuality can be just as much a predation on the part of the female. In fact this predation is what's hot about femdom to me personally, I'm a big guy 6'4 chad 8 inch dick and i get off on being seduced /manipulated sexually especially by older women. It's hot

>>17567630
I'll just add. What's sexy about it isn't being physically overpowered by a woman, that would be retarded.

It's precisely the inverse, the dance and innuendo of having her slowly manipulate you psychologically with small body language cues and psychological games, some of which you pick up on, and who knows how many more that you don't, it's especially hot if the relationship is taboo (boss - underling or age gap) until soon she had you wrapped around her finger to the point that you'd be willing to give yourself sexually no matter what she wants because you have slowly been groomed by her to see her as a sexual object, and the one with the power

It's mental domination, not physical

>>17564023
hot sub twink post ass

>>17567659
Having her present herself to you. Sometimes subtly, sometimes blatantly, but never to the point that you could call her on it or be absolutely certain about her intentions. Little glances, a timely stretch of the body, accidentally touching you in a way that sends shivers up your spine, a certain way of walking even... A skilled woman can seduce you even in the cold light of day in a room full of sober people without anyone else noticing.

Keen observers of human sexuality will realizes that it is the woman, not the man, who chooses their mate, and that the men have simply been implanted with the idea that the decision was theirs. In reality, the woman had most likely been working her black magic on the man's subconscious mind for longer than he could possibly realize.

>>17563658
My ex literally got me into it. Its as dead as you make it out to be. Or you don't live in the city.

>>17567514
i don't get why so many niggas can't just be happy with licking their gf's feet, why does it need to bring in all this gay shit

how can you be dominated by something weaker and smaller than you? their attempts to be tough are just cute at best, since i know i can pick her up and bench her

>>17567883
>how can you be dominated by something weaker and smaller than you?
credit and well placed lobbyists

>>17563676
lmao the replies are ridiculous and so fucking gay

you want to disfigure your gf bc you are projecting your perversions onto her. i end up wanting kill all my gfs too bc i get really into the sex and as it gets crazier i just start to hate them when i am not horny. you are basically turning ur gf into a fuck toy and ofc you are going to hate your fuck toy bc you know sex is your weakness. stop doing this to yourself and your gf. have less sex

t. have had lots of femdom and regular maledom sex w gfs, lots of sex always ends in hating the fuckmeat creature. would love to have a gf i dont have to constantly fuck the lights out of but havent met a girl like that yet

>>17567883
Domestic violence against men is a real thing, and it isn't even very rare.

a female led relationship sounds great until you realize no woman on this planet is worth that type of devotion

>>17567902
Damn, that was good.

>>17564377
so wrong

>>17567927
Great reply. I currently have a gf and as fucked and perverted as I am we are 6 years together because I keep the sex vanilla

>>17565484
the two types of femdom

>>17567975
>>17566674
Show me a single example of someone who was submissive in the bedroom and a serial killer. The two qualities are diametrically opposed.

>>17564418
lucky for you the future is AI generated cartoons

>tfw you just find a nice woman and be utterly devoted to making her happy
>tfw you know most of them will just think you're weak and abuse you