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>>17526136
based...

>>17526136
No one cares about your crypto atheistic jew

>not a member of the wood shitters
How can he, Spinoza (PBUH), be stopped bros?

>>17526170
>n-no one cares
>athiestic jew
Hard cope

>>17526136
no one cares guenonfag

>>17526136
Who are you quoting? Post your sources

>>17526223
its a cringe trad meme

>>17526205
Amazing rebuttal, keep seething plebian

>>17526245
>information posted in the context of a meme automatically means the quotes are false
You are an actual fucking idiot lol

>>17526257
dilate guenontranny

>>17526136
Greatest philosopher that Portugal ever had

>>17526245
This flatlines the dumb hieratic tradposters

>>17526136
>BTFOs Mosaic authorship of the Torah
>still unanswerable
Love this Yid.
>autodidact
Proves that all you need are time, books, and a trade, ideally solitary

>>17526417
You need to be very intelligent too though, most people perform better with a mentor/teacher

>>17526136
>"Spinoza wanted to post a placard at the site of the massacre with the words ‘Ultimi barbarorum‘ (the lowest of barbarians), which would surely have gotten him killed. Fortunately, his landlord realised the danger and locked him in the house, thus saving him from being torn to pieces by an angry mob."
What is this referring to?

>Spinoza was ugl-
You will never have a cutie Femnoza gf

>>17526136
His real name was Baruch Espinosa

>>17526179
lol why do philosophers keep shitting themselves when they see a bear?

>>17526136
>After stating his proof for God’s existence, Spinoza addresses who “God” is. Spinoza believed that God is “the sum of the natural and physical laws of the universe". He was frequently called an "atheist" by contemporaries, although nowhere in his work does Spinoza argue against the existence of God".
This is literally just atheism, accomplished by redefining the term "God" to mean nature. You're an idiot and don't understand Spinoza.

>>17526437
I wouldn't be on this board if I weren't highly intelligent

>>17526457
My day is ruined, thanks anon

>>17526451
>A few months before Spinoza’s death, he was visited by the young Leibniz, and they spent several days in intense philosophical discussions. Spinoza told Leibniz about his anger when, four years earlier, rioters had tortured, lynched and partially eaten Jan de Witt, the leader of Dutch Republic who fostered a climate of religious and political tolerance during its Golden Age, along with his brother. Spinoza wanted to post a placard at the site of the massacre with the words ‘Ultimi barbarorum‘ (the lowest of barbarians), which would surely have gotten him killed. Fortunately, his landlord realised the danger and locked him in the house, thus saving him from being torn to pieces by an angry mob.

>>17526136
Try as you may you just CAN'T dislike this man.

>>17526474
It's not atheism. Atheism is the lack of believe in a God. Just because you think the laws of the universe are God rather than some anthropomorphic version doesn't mean you're atheist.

>>17526508
Bodhisattva tier

>>17526474
Spiderman is the samson option against theologians. They have to prove god isn't nature, ie. prove they made him up as something beyond reality that appears only in their minds.

>wrong about everything
>still based

>>17526563
>400 years of pantheism living rent free in every notable philosopher or theologian's mind
>not based
No it's all literally based on Spinoza. Cope and seethe before the Prince of Philosophers

>>17526136
Spinoza wasn't properly pantheistic, although I understand how that's a little confusing.

>>17526474
Spinoza was absolutely not and atheist. His belief is not that God=Nature, it's that every aspect of Nature exists as part of and within the infinite flexible substance that is God.

>>17526474
You're a retard that doesn't understand the concept of atheism and Monism/Pantheism. How in any way is belief against the existence of god comparable to the theological framework found within Pantheism?

>>17526595
>Spinoza wasn't properly pantheistic
Citation needed

>>17526533
>>17526557
>>17526595
>>17526662
A God that creates out of pure necessity is not Good. A God that is not Good is not a God. End of story.

>>17526670
He is closer to Panentheism. They are very similar, but Panentheism basically argues that everything is not God, but *within* God, or a modification of an aspect of God. Pantheism doesn't have this nuance.

>>17526774
thomist tranny

>>17526136
>Spinoza (pbuh)
Can this be a thing? I love it.

>>17526779
I seem to remember clearly that Spinoza said God was Substance, and everything is either of said substance, or an essence of the same singular Substance. That, to me, would categorise Spinozas beliefs into BOTH Pantheism and Panentheism, as God isn't separate from everything but at the same time it's existence is derivative from his existence.

>>17526827
Your mockery is lost on me, troll.

>>17526670
Try reading part 1 of The Ethics

>>17526829
"Him" implying substance, obviously.

>>17526774
>A God that is not Good is not a God. End of story.
lmao this is the logic that tranny atheists use to explain why there’s no God because their feefees get hurt when people die.

>>17526774
>a god that is not """good""" is not a god.
Absolutely spook pilled, embarrassing.

>>17526829
Kinda, it's a little more complex than that but you're right that he isn't pure pantheism. For a while, his concept of God was just called "Spinoza's God" because it's kind of its own thing.

>>17526847
It does say that though, maybe you need to read it again.

>>17526136
>"On 27 July 1656, the Talmud Torah congregation of Amsterdam issued a writ of cherem (Hebrew: חרם, a kind of ban, shunning, ostracism, expulsion, or excommunication) against the 23-year-old Spinoza."
No one cares, still a jew so he's a non-entity

Jewish atheist who made up an enlightenment thought fetishizing religion
no thanks

>>17526858
Likewise a forced ''goodness'', forced liberty, no free choice to choose even what is not good is not good. You are proving my point.

>>17526865
The absolute state of people I talk to in this shithole.

>>17526876
>>17526879
Don't you have some extremist sect of Islam you should be occupied with pretending to believe in? The adults are busy with philosophy.

>>17526900
>Spinoza
>PHILOSOPHY
Start with Plato.

>>17526900
kys subhuman

>>17526876
How can he be a Jew whilst simultaneously denouncing Jehovah and mocking jewish tradition and culture?
This reddit atheist needs to go back

>>17526912
Plato started with the Egyptians. And Spinoza's repudiation of Abrahamism is fundamentally a return to Egypt.

>>17526914
What's the matter? Was that too accurate?

>>17526923
By being born one

>>17526886
Good and bad don't exist, Spinozas God doesn't require these arbitrary labels to exist.

>>17526940
>arbitrary
>>>/leftypol/

>>17526935
Moot point, retard.

>>17526949
0 IQ

ITT: genetic determinists argue for Abrahamic god despite being gentiles because Spinoza is living rent free in their heads

>>17526947
Great rebuttal.

>>17526964
It's all you deserve

>>17526959
It's a religion, not a race.

>>17526924
>reduction of all theological symbolique into rationalistic causality within mechanistic nature
>rejection of hierarchy and theocratic state in analogy to the ascent and representation of the Pharaoh as Imago Dei in favor of an enlightenment contratualist democracy
>complete misunderstanding of religion in the common sense of the scientism of enlightenment, failing to grasp the metaphysical and anthropological supports and extension of human culture from religion

spinoza is pure cancer and everyone should recite every night before sleep the proclamation of his excommunication.

CURSED BE HE WHEN HE LIES DOWN AND CURSED BE HE WHEN HE RISES UP.
''Cursed be he when he goes out and cursed be he when he comes in. The Lord will not spare him, but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven. And the Lord shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law. But you that cleave unto the Lord your God are alive every one of you this day."

>>17526979
>thinking they're right
>cannot refute a simple statement
Pathetic.

>>17526991
Rent free

>>17526774
A God that does not act through necessity in a determined manner is not perfect, which unlike goodness, is a universal determining capacity that God must display, God must be perfect, God needn’t be good by the standards of an insignificant human.

>>17527001
Keep begging for enlightenment subhuman

>>17526991
>>17526924
oh forgot to mention that merely the symbolique and procedure of christian architecture is much more a revival of ancient egypt theosophy than anything the atheistic jew has ever thought about.

>>17527012
>he thinks "good" and "bad" matters in a theological debate

>>17527010
>noooooooo god is not good because this is a human construct!!
>god is perfect!
go on, keep trying, but if I were you I would just start reading philosophy.

>>17526940
Yes that explains why spinoza's ''''''god''''' is just product of his own fantastical imagination.

>>17527050
You have no way of refuting his points, so you divert to firing low shots at him. Not only do you not understand simple ontological arguments, you insist that Spinozas Ethics are contradictory because God has to be "Good" to even exist, despite the fact the inherent prosperity of Spinozas substance is intergrated throughout his Ethics. You're the worst scum on this entire board

>>17527064
>everything related to any concept of God is just imaginative thinking, for the idea is inherently ineffable. Read more Philosophy.

>>17527126
>>17527141
I explicitly employed ''Good'' in capital G to denote its Platonic implication, but as the very ignoramus you are you missed it, no wonder you consider something like Ethics to be philosophy. That said, bear in mind that the apophatic nature of God does not prevent kataphatic expressions of His nature. To say that God is Good is not to say that He is as good as the taste of chocolate, a particular notion of Good, but that He is the Good in its universal name. All things want what is Good no matter how misguided they are into thinking where they can find It. The particular does not nullify the universal, but the universal comprises all particulars. You can see how he fails miserably with his nominalism, he rejects what is ''good'' but not what is ''perfect''.

>>17526467
sounds like a starbucks coffee

>>17526475
so true, average IQ here is in the mid 130s

>>17527017
>muh cathedrals
Shoo thomist tranny

>>17526457

M8 why have the feminoza when you could play Spider Beyblades with the actual spinny then cuddle and talk about the Univocity of being after?

>>17527366
pic related is just one of countless examples

>>17527682
>suppressed pseudo-neoplatonist "hermeticism" surviving despite its persecution by the church proves how based Christianity is

I once skipped work for 6 years to read this guy. Totally worth it, I'm better for it.

>>17527366
whats the connection between being a tranny a thomism anon

>>17526557
>Spiderman
great autocorrect for Spinozism. Nietzsche would approve

>>17527967
The people arguing for the thomist God against the Spinozist god are uncritically indulging in hyperreal fantasies and then applying them as persecution frameworks.

>>17527833
>neoplatonist
>occult knowledge shouldnt remain hidden
yes im talking to a literal retard

>>17528013
Wasn't autocorrect

>>17528057
>thomist God
holy fucking shit you are cancer, that conception of God differs nothing from Kabbalistic, Platonic and Christian (even though the latter is higher from the point of view of the Trinity).

>>17528066
>the rote application of great lies by the hieratic churches dependent on scriptures for authority hasn't rotten and gutted them as spiritual institutions

>>17528088
>shit let me just edit out all of Aristotle/Plato that contradicts my basedbook
>whew there it's fixed god is his own son and so forth

>>17528098
>this purely political reading of a tradition
yes i forgot for a moment we are in a thread by spinoza

>>17528069
The average lefty meme

>>17526876
>>17526935
>>17526959

I fucking hate kikes. You're a fucking moron tho, and you should probably fuck off this board. Spinoza is one of the based jews, stop thinking in dualities and absolutes you fucking tard

>>17526136
based.

>>17526136
>He is objectively the best philosopher
>says nothing about his actual philosophy

>>17526475
Sorry bud confirmed 111 IQ here, we be midwits in here

>>17527237
>rejects 'good'
>embraces 'perfection'

Not true at all, Spinoza vehemently denounces both in favour of a more utilitarian substance. Which only works towards the preservation of the substance, and negates all the arbitrary problems of Good and Perfection.

>>17529530
Pay attention to what you are responding, that was directed to the anon who said good was arbitrary but not perfection to refer to the spinozist god.
>utilitarian substance
lol, but this is interesting since it will nonetheless imply a value of what is good or bad, or if you prefer what is ''preferable'' or what is ''not-preferable''.
>arbitrary problems of Good and Perfection
again, you have no idea what you are talking about. this gullible nominalism can distort the signifier but the signified will always conduce things, even irrational beings. spinoza himself declares this value judgement in what increses one potentia and what decreses. the problem is he stays in the particular, not universal, that is why he is a nominalist.

>>17526457
>I WISH I COULD SAVE HER IN SOME KIND OF TIME MACHINE

>>17529621
How is this in any way contradictory to what God should be?

>>17529621
The objective value of Spinozian reality derives from the uncontested pursuit to exist, therefore the substance doesnt have meaning. It simply is within itself.

>>17529846
Don't you think that God or the idea of God should constitute the greatest thought one could have, that is, God shouldn't be what it is meant to be a God?

>>17529921
Yes and from objective facts we derive objective values. We want to keep living, or existence, or what is the best to our existence. Even anthropologically all the ''primitive'' interditions, rites and sacraments, followed this objective sense of preservation. As for the substance of spinoza I don't have anything to talk about, that is not God as I have proven here.

>>17530014
You haven't proven Spinozas substance isn't God, you just proved that it cannot be a nominalist deity. The substance doesn't inherently conform to these axioms, since it is purely existence in itself, and only seeks to exist in itself. You should be really arguing against the necessity of reality.

>>17530134
>you just proved that it cannot be a nominalist deity.
what are you even talking about? are you really understanding what I'm posting?

When I say the spinozist '''god'' is not God it is because it is not what God Himelf is, that is, Good, Omnipotent, Intelligent, Beautiful, Lovable/Love itself, simply by reason of its not being free, not being free it is not lovable, nor good, nor omnipotent, nor intelligent, nor beautiful.

he was obviously the ultimate atheist. man is not a chicken just because he says so.

>>17526876
Damn, Spinoza got excommunicated at age 23. I'm 30 and I haven't done shit with my life.

>>17530181
How is Substance not freedom? It literally contains infinite essence.

>>17530281
You know what freedom means and have read Spinoza's Ethics?