/lit/ - Literature

>>17514840
Can you at least pick good anime art? They get worse every thread. What the fuck is even happening with her face.

>>17514857
>What the fuck is even happening with her face.
I think that's just called being Asian.

>>17514857
this, if you're going to post it, at least make it normal. don't post anime porn. this is a writing general!

>>17514864
>white skin
>blonde hair
>blue eyes
>asian

The state of /wg/

>>17514896
She's an inhuman fairy creature designed purely for pathetic incel NEETs to fap away their money to, she has no race.

>>17514896
>blonde hair
>blue eyes
Are you colorblind?
Also do you not see the shape of her face?

>>17514906
You just defined a basic white bitch.

>>17514913
>w-wrong hex code
>b-but her face shape

I know that you aren't an artist, but that doesn't mean you are allowed to be a retard.

>>17514840
I don't write novels, but I am planning on writing about two chapters for one project and start another.

>>17514928
>admits it's the wrong color
I really hope pic related is relevant and that you don't legitimately think she qualifies as white.

>>17514840
FUCK YES I'M GONNA COOOM

>>17514961
>posts a selfie
>agrees that it's blue
That's what I assume you're doing, yeah.

>>17515025
The eyes are clearly green and there is 0 trace of yellow in the hair, take a color blindness test

Your waifu is undeniably shit

>>17513990
On your latest chapter: Calm down with the adverbs unless you like cheating words.

>>17515047
What program is that?

>>17515052
hemingwayapp.com

>>17515047
Soulless

>>17515056
>long sentences bad, make brain go hurt hurt

>>17515047
what is that program?

"The blacks are coming! The blacks are coming!" Paul shouted from his lifted F-150 as he rolled coal down the street. The whole neighborhood sprung into action. Every porch had a noose and a sentry standing guard with an AR-15. The air was still and filled with quiet tension. In the distance the thumps of bass were approaching.

>>17515078
nevermind this
i forgot to refresh the page, so i missed these >>17515052 >>17515056

What about grammarly? How does hemingway compare to it?

>>17515078
>>17515085
Delete the post so they won’t clutter the thread.

>>17515091
>>17511723

>>17515091
hemingway seems legit

>>17515111
>Readability
>Grade 13

>>17515117
>missing the "OK. Aim for 9"

>>17515138
Oh I saw it alright.

>>17515056
Ignore the paragraph count. It fucked it up when I pasted it in.
How bad is this?

>>17515187
Maybe cut down on the adverbs a little.

>>17515187
Adverbs are great if you're writing for children and YA. It allows them to imagine things their own way.

They should be used sparingly for adults. Creative writing 101 is to avoid adverbs wherever possible.

>>17515205
Why shouldn't adults be able to imagine things in their own way? Does this speak to our limited capacity for imagination in adulthood?

>>17515197
>>17515205
It's narrated from the perspective of a fifteen year old, if that holds any relevancy. Though it most certainly isn't aimed at children.
Why exactly is it that adverbs are seen as something to avoid?

>>17515213
>>17515225
It cheapens the storytelling. You can say, "He held his sword tightly," and it would still be correct.

Say, "He gripped his sword with vengeful fury," and it becomes a much more impactful line.

>>17515250
I see.
That's something I'll definitely have to consciously work on fixing.

>>17515250
What if he gripped his sword tightly with a vengeful theory?

>>17515256
That's still correct. However, adverbs can always be expanded upon.

"He gripped his sword, his knuckles whitening, with vengeful fury."

>>17515287
"He gripped his sword tightly, his knuckles whitening with vengeful fury."
:^)

>>17515256
What if he theoretically gripped his sword tight with a vengeance?

>>17515187
>>17515197
>>17515205
>>17515213
>>17515225
>>17515250
>>17515255
>>17515256
>>17515287
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>>17515292
Stop posting such low-effort bullshit or go to >>17511723

>>17515309
Just because you don't like discussion doesn't mean it's not on topic, retard

>>17515309
>short discussion about adverbs
>low-effort bullshit

>>17515309
He furiously typed with vengeful fury.

>>17514840
>any progress
I'm at 32k words and it's further than I've ever gotten with anything I've ever made. I feel scared and exhilirated.

>>17515328
I like, "He typed with fervent vigor," more.

"Furiously" is still an adverb.

Sorry for those who replied to me. I went to bed.

>>17513009
Extreme non-adherence to MLA. If they fuck up supremely on this, their actual writing will most likely be incomprehensible. One look at Page 1 tells me all I need to know about the situation at hand. It goes in hand because if they're too dumb to work with fucking MLA, they're too dumb to write a paragraph.

>>17513071
>>17513453
It varies. Some I like to think of as "dead-on-arrival" students. Their writing is so broken (due to ESL issues, usually) that they'd need years of daily help before they're at the level they need to be at. There is absolutely no salvaging these papers.

Most college students are absolutely awful at grammar. Only like 10% of them should actually be in college. This isn't even considering the ESL students. The native English speakers cannot write. I do work at a community college, so this definitely has something to do with it.

>>17515461
I'm glad that most college students are this retarded. Just knowing how to string sentences together makes you look like a genius to jaded professors.

>write a bit
>get sick of it, not feeling the sequence
>go to another sequence, write a bit
>end up with page after page after page of small fragments, some even ending mid
Is this okay or do I need to write things in order and finish each chapter before moving on to another?

>>17515519
You can always go back and fill it in later.

>>17515519
You're doing great. The important thing is to get to the end.

>>17515525
>>17515526
Thanks bros

>use a semicolon
>editing software's face when
NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST PUT TWO INDEPENDANT CLAUSES IN THE SAME SENTENCE YOUR READERS ARE RETARDED AND IT WILL CONFUSE THEM NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

>>17515577
>use two semicolons in a sentence
>Word is okay with it
The best, smuggest feel of them all

I didn't think it was possible for these threads to get any worse, but they did

>>17515614
Contribute?

>>17515577
It's right, you know.
>>17515614
Let me guess, the wojak?

How do you be genuine without coming across as tryhard

>>17515666
I don't see how those conflict aside from possibly overdoing it.

>>17515626
Nah, play by yourselves, faggots

Writing my first erotica.
Is 'Molten folds' a good way of describing a woman's clunge?
Kind of sick of referring to it as 'her sex'.

>>17515904
Fuck no.
Even "her sex" isn't great. Just try to not mention it directly too much.
Just like how if you say "they fucked" it's assumed that means vaginal. If you say "he stuck it inside of her" or whatever fancy other way you choose to phrase it everyone will understand that that means he put his dick inside of her pussy.

>>17515930
What do I say the car battery cables are attached to then if I'm not to mention it?

>>17515949
Labia.

>>17515904
Jesus
Just say pussy if you're writing erotica for men and don't directly mention the existence of the vagina if you're writing it for women
Not hard

>>17515949
Pussy flaps.
Though "molten folds" might actually be applicable if you're talking about after the current is applied.

>>17515904
>clunge

I don’t know if this is the right place, but it’s too premeditated for wwoym. I also don’t know if it’s a journal entry, an anti-establishment WSJ op-ed, or just experimenting with styles, so just take it with a grain of salt.


I read an article today in the New York Times. "Will American Ideas Tear France Apart? Some of its Leaders Think So." The headline is a dubious question that the author has no interest in exploring. The author himself, Norimitsu Onishi, is a model example of the endless reach of Ameri-Canadian cultural imperialism. An immigrant rebuked by his homeland now modernly molded to drive the West into progressive decline.

In the fashion of modern co-opted media, each point is carefully crafted to defend the reader’s innate views. Onishi easily finds many progressive intellectuals to quote about their subversive "progress" in France, but not so much in defense of France and its rich history, culture, and pride. I will not bore you with the details of the rest of the article, but Onishi unknowingly gives up the game, “Behind the attacks on American universities — led by aging white male intellectuals — lie the tensions in a society where power appears to be up for grabs.” Power. Are the French ready to play a game where the rules are made up, points don’t matter, and you have everything to lose? And no, it’s not pétanque.

The French are sensitive, they are cunning, and they do not care about your sensitivities. Behind closed doors you will hear French versions of school yard racial jokes and some exceedingly clever new ones as well. Yet in this society speech is not free. It is not written into parchment by quill or extolled conveniently by lame duck congressmen. There is an expectation that speech must be good for the Republic, and luckily that Republic is made up of the French. Contrast that to the technofascist society of America, where middle managers live in fear of teenage twitter products. The highest moral good is walking around with a phone hoping to catch glimpse of the Mothman shouting the n-word.

A constitution will not protect your modern livelihood, so what will? Your fellow citizens of course, citizen! If the spores of American intellectual decadence so sporadically take tendrils in French society, France is fucked. Fair intellectually discourse worked out horribly for American society, so I suggest the French bully the hell out of progressives, nuke their hard drives, and stop anymore immigration.

>>17516013
What's tearing France apart is muslim immigrants lol, not "American ideas".

>>17505457
it expired. post it again, i want to read

>>17514840
I'm outlining my entire novel before writing it. The story was developed over a few years and I think it's strong enough to find an agent. I hope I can finish the outline and execute it in time to find an agent this year. I want to move ahead with my writing. I'm outlining each chapter as its own scene with a beginning, middle, and end and aiming for around 100k words. I'm uncertain about the pacing, if events move along too quickly. I guess I'll find out.

>>17516156
I wish I had the patience to outline stuff. I just write and keep everything in my head.

>>17516206
I wish I had the patience to write stuff. I just think and keep everything in my head.

>>17516206
I used to outline the first 5-10 chapters and go from there, with a general idea of what happens next. My problem was that the chapters after my outline were wandered and didn't hold as much tension or purpose. This time I want each chapter to hit hard. I also really want to sign with a good agent. Wish me luck.

half way done writing my next story, pretty satisfied with how it has turned out so far

I couldn’t find a list of stuff kindle self publishing allows in regards to smut. Does anyone know offhand? I assume no underage characters and probably no outright zoophilia, though I don’t know where the line would be for that and aliens or monsters. What about things like rape?

>>17515577
People are idiots. I try and use a hyphen instead of a semicolon most of the time since more people will understand that.

>>17516013
>>17516031

It is both those things, really. Muslims are tearing it down because it is their most logical target. American ideas prevent (up to a point) dealing properly with the crisis. But more importantly, we Frogs have cucked ourselves through continuous compromise. Yes it is a society were fathers can't gene test their own son's without a judge order, but it is also a society were most women with a male supervisor is expected to be sexually available to him. We let our insane loud feminists be insanely loud and obnoxious because in the end they don't matter and the vast majority of women still objectify themselves for men.
But over time compromises grow and they do end up mattering more and more. And eventually you become incapable of not compromising.

Is it really necessary to describe how people look?

>>17516699
Depends

>>17516708
In this scenario everyone has the same haircut and the same clothes.

>>17516733
You should probably point that out because it sounds weird enough to be notable.

>>17516846
It's kind of a given in the military

If anyone could offer any feedback on this passage from my short story, I'd appreciate it.

Chapter 3 is up. Continuing with the daily release schedule until chapter 10.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40361/erased

>>17514857
I like the images...

>>17516937
I like anime coom as much as the next degenerate but get some better standards.

Can a work be both character driven and plot driven?

>>17516699
depends how emotionally close or perceptually present you want us to be

i think of these things - forgive me - like camera angles. wide angle impersonal army soldiers doing a maneuver, don't bother describing their individual appearences beyond what's needed for the plot. close up talking head individuals, people are going to want something to work with picturing these guys so yeah give them each an appearence or at least a comment on their similarity.

>>17516983
Strong inciting incident and backstory on everything + strong impact from the choices of an active protagonist

>>17516699
Yes if you’re writing porn.

>>17517070
Alas I am not.

>>17516867
Adverbs removed.

"Inching forward, Burns saw that hair was the fringes of a fur-lined jacket stuck inside to give the appearance of a human head."

"Burns's own ears were ringing and the gun recoiled, kicking his palm with the shot."

"He raised his cocked pistol and fired three shots into the bounty hunter, the bullets whizzing and biting deep into flesh." -actually not sure what you were going for with the sound bit.

I like the prose. It's good.

>>17514044
Thanks anon I appreciate it a lot. The publishing world is an intimidating thing. I'm not quite ready for it yet.

>>17514773
When I was starting out there used to be tons of run-on sentences and short sentences, which is still evident in the earlier memory toscana chapters. Like the other anon suggested, just keep writing, read stuff that interests you and eventually you'll find your own voice.

>>17515047
I don't think about it too much, but I'll keep it in mind

Does anyone know of a good source that explains in detail the different ways in which one can handle dialog? I have some grammatical doubts that I need to clear up.

>>17515047
>Adverbs 135

What is an adverb?

>>17517578
Words that end poorly, in that accursedly annoying -ly

>>17516699
Not really.
At least not to a minute detail extent, I don't think.
I usually leave my characters looks pretty ambiguous apart from distinct scars or features, so that the reader can self insert or imagine whatever they want.

>>17515577

Get back on yer meds Ed

>>17517424
Ask here

>>17516867
The first three sentences have the same rhythm and it becomes distracting.
>Feeling bolder,
>At the head of the bag,
>Looking more closely,

>>17517424
I generally have the characters fleshed out a bit so I can understand their voice and then I just pretend to have a conversation between my friends or people I've met that are similar to those characters. I'll type out the whole thing and then go back and cut it down so that it has that rhythm to it. I heard once from some interview that you should write dialogue as if it skips every other line, and while that works for movies, I really don't enjoy the way it plays out when the whole point of what I'm writing is about how the characters express themselves. Anyway, I'll clean it up a bit and then go back and add action of what those people would be doing while they talk. But I think the thing youre asking about is more "how do I write dialogue like people actually speak instead of as a tool to get to the next plot point" and my advice is the flesh out the characters so much that you know how they would react. Be empathetic to made up people and be nostalgic about all the people you have ever met.

>>17516699
If it's really relevant, sure. Generally it's best left fairly vague, but you know, unless.

>>17516699
At most I might describe their hair/color, height, maybe weight if they're an absolute unit. I read somewhere that characters are gray blobs wearing wigs or something, and it stuck with me. For nameless characters, I use these attributes until I get fed up with repeating the epithet(s) and introduce them as a proper character, at least to mix it up a little.

>>17516699
I have my own doubts about that. To be honest, when I read books I rarely even use the character descriptions to create my mental images of the characters. Unless there are pictures of the characters, I just come up with my own visualizations with no regard for what the story says they look like.

>>17515963
>don't directly mention the existence of the vagina if you're writing it for women
this isn't necessarily true but you definitely shouldn't be so crude as 'clunge' and 'pussy' etc if you are writing it for women

How the fuck am I supposed to come up with character names I’m losing my mind

>>17517966
Just think of random names. Alex, Johnathan, Matthew, Jessica, Miranda, Susan, etc.

>>17517981
Ok but what about character’s that don’t have traditional names or places

>>17518039
I assume you must have some kind of format for how their names usually go if you're getting outlandish like that. For stuff like orcs, I usually just string some harsh sounding syllables together with some apostrophes thrown in. Nal'Gazzak, Zu'Kalab, Ny'Jussu, stuff like that.

>>17517660
>>17517731
Thanks, the thing is that most of my references on how to set up conversations are from other novels and short stories. Specifically, the one that I’m using for my main project is from another novel. Whenever I have doubts I just pick it up and look for a similar dialog. But, as I write more, unique cases that I can’t cross reference start to pop up. I also don’t want to feel that I am plagiarizing this particular formula. In addition, I’d like to try other methods on short stories and drafts, a list detailing other ways to tackle dialog would be useful. Pic related is an example from the novel I mentioned.

It is worth mentioning that this is a purely structural and grammatical problem; I am not “copying” style, voice, individual personalities, etc. ...

>>17515225
>It's narrated from the perspective of a fifteen year old
Fucking yikes. Imagine writing a children's book.

>>17517128
Those sound a lot better anon. Thanks for the help!
>>17517702
I see what you mean, re-reading it. Thanks anon, I appreciate the feedback.

>>17517966
Where does your character come from? What is their ancestry? People tend to have names that are derived from their native language.
Like that anon earlier who was asking about whether or "Guy" is a good name for his character. The answer is obviously that it isn't a good name because "Guy" is a French name and I don't like the French. But if your character is French or has French heritage, then I suppose it would be acceptable to name him "Guy."
Just go with that as a general rule of thumb and look up names from your character's intended background or heritage to find one you like. Right if you're not a linguist, don't stress too much about inventing original names because you simply don't know enough about linguistics to come up with names that sound natural.
And if you don't feel right simply stealing names from a phonebook, don't be afraid to switch the letters around. Right take a simple name like "Edward," just switch out one letter and it can become "Enward." Still a stimple name, but somehow more exotic and dare I say provocative. All I had to do was swap one letter and it became something new.

>>17518230
>"Enward."
Oh boy, I hope the character isn't black, or else he's going to get a bunch of jokes thrown his way.

>>17518230
>just switch out one letter
Oh, I can place this game. Let's turn Guy into Goy. Or Gay. I like it. Simple, but exotic.

>>17517806
This is how I am and I am inclined to write characters the same way but I try not to. Usually I will say hair color, maybe eye color. And I might say something like a character has sad eyes. What that means is up to the reader to interpret, what sad eyes look like to me might be different from what they look like to them. But it they will tie something personal to it and the point will get across better than if I tried to describe "sad eyes".

I posted my work in the last thread but if anyone likes here it is again, i would love some feedback.
https://theanthill.carrd.co/

>>17518148
I think you're being too calculating and should listen to the cadence of the prose. If it flows and the reader knows who's talking, then you're ok.

>>17518230
>Enward
I'm going to say it

Quick!
Post your writing playlists!

>>17519193
You should only read and write. All other forms of leisure are distractions.

>>17517966
use your favorite brands

>>17519256
God I wish I could be a bad ass type monk like that. Would be neat.

/wg/, I'm having some real issues with naming conventions in my story. there's a handful of characters whose names were just google-translated words because I couldn't find anything better on the naming sites, there's a handfull of locations that just don't have names and then there's cases with shit like a character with a russian accent coming from a place with a mesoamerican name

I'm in a little over my head

>>17519492
>russian accent
call him Ivan
>its a girl
call her Katya

>>17519618
anon. you really need to read the whole post before you make suggestions, not just skim

>>17519634
And you should do a five second google search instead of wasting posts in useless shit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Mexicans

>>17519667
deepest lore

>>17519667
at no point did I say this character is a russian mexican. Read the damn post retard

>>17519764
well if he's neither russian nor mexican, why does he have a russian accent and why does his homeland have a mexican name?

>>17516013
It's definitely nothing that would pass as a journal op-ed. Not in its current shape at least.
>>17519492
If you're going for a realistic setting, I'd just look up common names for whatever ethnicity they're supposed to be. If it's a fantasy setting, something I found useful was just looking at medieval names from certain cultures and pulling from those.
>>17518581
I'm not a big poetry reader, so take this with a grain of salt, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. I especially liked the lines,
>If nothing else allow me death today
Just as you had to those who now decay
Can't finish it now, but I'd like to at some point.
One suggestion-not related to writing-is that you shouldn't have the, "Dedicated to bad writing," at the top of your blog. It seems like a cheap way of trying to lower the reader's expectations.

>>17515469
>>17515461
I think I can explain why most college and highschool students these days have a poor grasp of the english language. As a zoomer, I attended public school in the 2000s, and upon middle school I noticed that our school's english classes were extremely lacking.
Every year, we were taught the exact same lessons. We learned how to write a paragraph (specifically the 5 paragraph essay format), we learned hoe to write a research paper, we'd go over elementary level grammar and punctuation lessons, and then finally we would read 2-3 books. Every single year, from the 6th grade all the way to the 12th, we followed this pattern without any sense of divergence.
Basic punctuation was something most of my peers never mastered. For instance, if you pulled a student aside from my middle or highschool, they would not be able to define a semicolon or an em dash.
The education for my generation was so bad that we were never encouraged to stray from the formulatic five paragraph essay format, nor were we put upon the path to learn the more complex aspects of grammar. For example, in the 9th grade I was in Honors English, and yet we still did not know what a linking verb was, when the teacher asked us to identify what part of speech "is" was, no one could answer but me.
And yet, I consider myself subpar to most writers in spite of my teachers constantly praising me for my "incredible" writing. I aced all of the standardized tests for English and consistently got "A"s on my essays and yet my writing was still choppy, stilted, awkward and full of comma splices until recently. In some respects, I feel like an ESL even though I excelled in English throughout my academic career

>>17519941
that's the fucking problem you mongoloid. Read the fucking post!

>>17520026
just answer the question

>>17519963
>I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Thanks man, i don't want to sound like someone making excuses but the dedication (to bad writing) is there as a reference to Bukowski and that i have tried writing this poem for the past 5 years without success and the only way i could bring myself to write it without deleting it in a rage is to accept that it will never be as good as the poetic epics of times past. I have never finished college, i don't read Latin/Greek/Italian, and i know that poetry is for the most part reserved for the upper class, because of that i dedicated the work to my role as an outsider and not as the one who should be writing this sort of art.

tl;dr i'm coping

>>17520052
it's a fantasy setting. The setting itself was inspired by native american mythologies, but this character who I developed separately was someone I pictured as a gruff, scarred veteran whose name sounded awfully similar to "Rus" as a result I made him russian before the two narratively connected and now I need a way to reconcile this

>>17520179
>fantasy setting
>I need a way to reconcile this
ignore it

>>17520216
based

/wg/, I just accidentally stumbled on the most wordplay-heavy family name possible for my characters

Loch is a scottish last name, but it's pronounced the same as "lock", and in yiddish can be translated as either "cavern" or "pussy".

Constance Loch, was buried in a cavern, her tomb sealing away an eldritch abomination in a region of space that's unchanging (or constant). Her adoptive son Wilhelm Loch was born and bred in that same cavern but was rescued by her, the living will of all those who died there. He really hates being called weak (or a pussy). After she died, her sister Sandy Loch abused him, and always acted like she had sand in her vagina

>>17520441
Yes. Hmm. I have decided this is valuable information. Okay.

>>17515069
Well it's literally named hemingway

>>17520007
I can relate, I was always praised by teachers for any low effort thing I shat out. I'm not going to say I'm terrible but I definitely know my writing isn't particularly impressive, and I was always confused how everyone else could be doing so much worse than me when I was barely even trying. Even if I could use grammar I didn't really know shit about technical definitions of it either. I'm not sure how I ended up "better" at writing than my peers. My only guess is that I read a lot as a kid, but I had friends who read just as much and got straight Ds on all their papers.

>>17515069
Contemporary writers in a nutshell

>>17515250
>>17515197
>>17515205
>>17515430

Nineteen century and Mid-twentieth century writers rolling vehemently in their graves. Strunk and White, gods damn you! What idiocy have brought unto the modern world.

Seriously, adverbs are okay, it should not be a taboo. Change my mind.

Reddit has tainted your minds.

>>17521217
They used them way better than modern writers generally do, because their language was less cucked than modern English

>>17520007
What should I use to self study proper Englisj grammar?

>>17521258
spellcheck, for a start

>>17521217
modern writing emphasizes action and dialogue over description. removing adverbs is clearing away clutter for narrative thrust.

>>17521385
>modern writing emphasizes action and dialogue over description
And that's a bad thing

>>17521393
It depends on the writer and what they're trying to describe. There is no maxim for style writers should prioritize

>>17521393
>bad

>>17516699
I'm writing sci-fi and I describe the looks of the different alien species. Other than that, I don't really.

>>17521244
I know. But this feels like furthering the dumbing down of the English language.

>>17520007
Yep. I have a similar background to you (I'm 20). It was always the same dumb shit, nouns and adjectives, past participles and dialogue tags, x-tense etcetera.

The books we read were classics, but the pages short and the prose lacking.

I always passed my essays with flying colours, rarely did I put in any effort. It was always the most boring and toneless essays we had to write too.

Only recently have i begun to learn of about word choice and syntax. Only recently begun to grasp sentence structure and proper grammatical usage. I literally learned what linguistic meant, last year.

I'm copying some of Nabokov sentences word-by-word, perhaps I can learn a thing or two.

>>17521258
Read the OP. It literally gave you a boatload of recommendations for improving your craft
>>What Editors Do
>>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>>Garner's Modern English Usage

Is it really that important to know the theoretical side of language, rather than just developing your skills intuitively?

>>17521466
depends on your goal.

>start dieting
>depression lifts
>start writing a novel
>every session is productive
>but there's still so much weight to lose
>still so many words to write
>keep getting distracted by hunger & cravings while trying to write

I am so tempted to succumb to the cravings and become a fatfuck again as motivation to finish this book, but I know that the depression would come back and I'd make no progress
Why is it so hard to do two good things at once
I just want to be DONE REEEEEE

>>17521770
you must first defeat samsara

Is there any proven way to break out of bad writing habits? I've been writing like a retard for 4 years now (10 novels) and just realized I need to reset my brain and start from scratch. Do I just need to stop writing for a few years and just read all day? Please advise. The habits I have are 100% a roadblock, and they are foundational.

>>17521949
What are your bad habits?

My ongoing story over multiple books has, as its protagonists, a group of four teenagers who are extremely close friends, and for each of them, the other three are the people they trust most in the entire world.

I've begun to debate what to do between them erotically. I want to write a great story, good literature, not schlock and definitely not straight-up porn. But I also want to be as realistic as possible in my depiction of these characters. If I'm writing fourteen year olds, fifteen year olds, sixteen year olds, I can't escape the conclusion that they'd all be extremely horny a lot of the time, and the temptation to fool around within the group would be extremely high. I feel like, purely in the interest of depicting teenage boys and teenage girls realistically, I am going to have to be a bit erotic at times. Perhaps MORE than a bit, sometimes.

>>17521956
Basically, I don't understand story structure. I'm good at writing a scene, sometimes even great (feedback from the workshops I'm in) but, I can't write anything beyond three pages without completely disconnecting the characters, narrative, point of views, past/present fuck-ups, etc. It's like I can't plan out a story because I don't understand how to. Because of this, I'm good on a line-by-line basis, but I'm unable to form cohesion.

>>17521963
Just write romance and fade out whenever things get explicit. Unless you really want to do horny writing with teenagers, in which case be honest with yourself

>>17521963
no. stop writing.

>>17521986
You don't need to reset you're brain, if you're good with scenes you're halfway there already. You just need to practice thinking about the story as a whole. Try outlining or studying other stories from a macro view.

>>17521987
I suppose here I have Joyce as my role model. Joyce got pretty dirty sometimes, but I wouldn't say that the more explicit scenes in, say, Ulysses would qualify as pornographic. I guess that's what I'm aiming for, something that's very intimate and realistic without being expressly titillating. I think perhaps of "Sirens," when Bloom is depicted as jerking off to the bathing women.

Although I know Joyce disguises that with a lot of his language efforts.

>>17521997
I'll try that, thank you.

>>17521963
just don't be realistic and don't bother with it you horny bastard

>>17522008
Joyce was definitely a coomer though going by the fart letters. Do what you want but if you're going for traditional publishing, getting too steamy with under-18 characters is going to be a barrier most of the time even if you try to be literary about it

>>17522038
I mean one of my other main influences on this story is Neon Genesis Evangelion... which presents its own problems.

>>17522059
>joyce and eva
lol
Anyway Eva might trigger normalfags somehow but there isn't a lot that's really ""problematic"" about it's sexual content in terms of story or anything, it's not like the kids are fucking on screen, most sexuality is implicit or fails before it gets anywhere real. It's also relevant to the themes of the story and there's a lot of moral ambiguity there, while you sound like you just want to tack this onto your story to be "realistic" (aka get off).

>>17522081
Well, yes and no. I'm trying to avoid anything that's explicitly erotic and that serves no overall purpose to the story. I don't just want to write porn. On the other hand, I am trying to write a very intimate portrayal of my characters inside and out. Not objectifying or erotic, I just want people to know them, and the interactions between them, extremely closely.

In reality, I probably will not be anywhere near as erotic as I've been intimating in my posts. I'm not stupid. I've been published before, I know what flies and what doesn't. But it is a thing that I feel can't go UNMENTIONED, since I remember enough of what it felt like to be a teenager that I know it would come up. I know how teenagers are. But there is probably a way to depict it that doesn't cross lines.

>>17521963
Stop writing, weeb.

>>17522159
You seething only makes us stronger

>>17522181
>>17521963

Yo fellow weeb, would ya read a short story I wrote heavily influenced by an anime?

>>17522225
I'll read it as long as it's good.

>>17522225
Seconding >>17522229
Lay it on us

>>17522159
Would it bother you, Anon, to know that I am writing a story in which several characters have anime hair colors? I have characters with blue hair, white hair, green hair, purple hair, pink hair. All this in my work of literature. Does this discomfort you?

>>17522181
I'm not angry I'm disgusted.
>>17522235
Not at all, all of you sound like you're little kids too is that on purpose?

>>17522229
>>17522234

Thanks anon, wonder if ya lads will be able to guess the anime. Do tell how you like it.

https://pastebin.com/ZpXyBtDy

Please rate my dialogue.

Jen knew he couldn’t see her face so she raised her eyebrows and sighed softly. Her
expression had the effect she’d hoped for as she watched Heather’s face soften and relax. “I’m
just go take a quick walk-through and then we’ll get started, okay?”
Heather nodded. “Sounds good.”
Jen turned around as Baxter started through the door.
“Whoa there.” She reached into the pocket of her coat for a pair of blue nitrile gloves
and a set of shoe covers. “You bring yours?”
“Right,” he said. “I almost forgot.”
She considered pointing out to him that he didn’t almost forget but in fact actually did
forget, but decided to let it go.
She took a deep breath and watched as he bent over to slip the booties over his Italian
oxfords. “If you were the lead on this, what’s the first thing you’d do?”
He wobbled as he turned to look at her. “Look for a suicide note?”
There were so many things wrong with that answer she wasn’t sure where to start. “What
are the chances you’d find one?”
“I don’t know. Pretty good? Don’t most suicides leave them?”
“Suicides?” She didn’t even try to hide her disappointment. “No. Less than a third of
suicide victims leave notes. And more importantly, people aren’t ‘suicides.’ They’re victims.”
“Look for signs of a struggle?”
Was he even listening? “You’re getting ahead of yourself. Don’t assume anything.
What’s the first thing you’re going to do?”
Baxter thought for a moment. “Document the scene?”
“Good,” she said. “How?”
“Photos and notes.” He knew the answer, but still looked confused.
Jen almost let it go. “What?”
“But the body’s down on the street.”
“And where do you think we’ll have to look to find out how she got there?”
He nodded as if he had understood all along and Jen knew that nod was going to get old
very quickly. “When we get inside you don’t touch anything and you don’t step anywhere I
haven’t already stepped. Clear?”
“Yes,” he said. “Got it.”

>>17514840
Keyboard and converter cord is working for me. I need to touch the screen to direct things, but if I get a bluetooth adaptable mouse, I can have a weird lap computer set-up.

>>17522249
>trip on
>grammar mistakes in the prose
Embarrassing

>>17522511
No shame Anon! I share in order to get better!

>>17520134
>accept that it will never be as good as the poetic epics of times past
Doesn't have to be anon, don't hold yourself to such a high standard. If you can get it to a point where you (and other people) get something from it then that's good enough. That being said,
>not as the one who should be writing this sort of art
Shakespeare wasn't at all from the upper class, but he's the greatest poet of all time. People from all walks of life can create great literature.
If someone like me who doesn't read poetry likes your stuff, then I think that shows you're doing something right!

>>17520134
Anon remember you can always go back and re-beautify it if you aren’t satisfied with it. Even now that poem you’ve posted, I’m sure you could refine stray lines with more ornate methods now that you’ve done the bulk of your work and your mind can rest.

Is there any hope if you're only good at soulless technical academic style writing but suck at making stories and beautiful prose?

>>17523089
Write future histories.

>>17523089
worked for david foster wallace

>>17515250
>"He gripped his sword with vengeful fury,"
This sentence is in many ways worse than just using adverbs.

>He gripped his sword.
Conveys the same information as
>He held his sword tightly.
but in less words, and THAT is what makes it more powerful, being able to convey MORE information with LESS words.

The essential problem of flowery language isn't that it's "too beautiful" or whatever people want to think, but the fact that it's WEAK, spending lines upon lines to express things of no importance and still not getting the point across.

Ironically, most of the old classic writers wrote flowery prose while ALSO making it effective, using many words to convey many more things. But most readers are too STUPID to see the layers and meanings. They see only the style and seek to ape the aesthetic, without understanding the philosophy behind it. How could they? They weren't alive 200 years ago, they didn't receive the same education and experiences.
And that's why we get only SHIT, SHIT, and more SHIT by such writers.

>>17523305
But what about his vengeful fury?

>>17523317
His vengeful fury should be conveyed in a graphic description of how he hacks apart his enemy. Otherwise, it has no relevance to the narrative.

>>17523356
t. never felt vengeful fury

>>17523356
Anon, please just stop. The only people who are doing any writing in these threads are the animefags. Anyone else is just shitposting or seething due to the anime pics. Just converse the posts.

>>17523317
his vengeful fury should have been set up in the situations and plotting that preceded the fight. if he's vengeful because the villain raped his wife and killed her then it's redundant to describe it as it should be self-evident. the extra word only bloats your action.

please, if you have 2.3k words worth of time to spare.
or just skim it, look at the dialogue, anything. i need to know. thanks
https://pastebin.com/5etZAV31

>>17523405
You could just say the last class was over and let us know by context clues that Johnny is a little kid

>>17523375
I know FUCK. I just want some place where to talk about writing, I had to delude myself into thinking there's someone here who cares, how did it turn like this aaaaa

>>17523435
I care, anon

>>17523305
>>17523389
Thanks, anon. I realised this a couple hours after I posted. I'll admit I'm not a master at writing. Glad you pointed it out.

>>17523437
>>17523454
Nice, all the best to you

>>17523409
thanks

>>17523405
did he see all those shops while in this alley? also, all these shops are a step away from each other?

Don't use the word shilling ever again in your life and this "silhouette of the plane", idk but aren't those big? How could the silhouette of a plane be as big as a person's palm?

Just my thoughts.

>>17523716
>Don't use the word shilling ever again in your life
whynot?

>>17521963
>a group of four teenagers
>If I'm writing fourteen year olds, fifteen year olds, sixteen year olds
>the interest of depicting teenage boys and teenage girls


>>17521963
>I've begun to debate what to do between them erotically.
>straight-up porn
>temptation to fool around
>they'd all be extremely horny
>I am going to have to be a bit erotic at times.

You also have a weeb picture. Please, stop writing and posting. You do know what you're writing about right? gtfo creep.

>>17523734
Just because you didn't have sex in high school doesn't mean no one else did, try to contain your seethe next time

>>17523726
You're not using it right. The way you're using it, it gives off an anti-Semitic connotation. Don't use racist 4chan terms. Why couldn't you have used selling instead?

>>17523734
The YA genre is filled with these themes since they're such a common adolescent problem.

>>17523780
Where do you think we are?

>>17523785
YA authors are often closet pedos

>>17523785
Care to name a few? Do you read YA?

>>17523788
>Where do you think we are?
So that kid is writing just to post to 4chan?

>>17523819
I don't read YA but I did a quick search and found Bloom by Elizabeth Scott. The plot summary has the MC cheating on her boyfriend because he wants to maintain his chastity or something.

>>17523776
A lot of people still somehow consider it wrong and if you post a work depicting sex between minors in public, there's a good chance your work will be removed and the author branded a creepy pedo. Perhaps rightfully.

>>17523962
People having sex in highschool isn't wrong because they're underage it's wrong because they're never married.

>>17523962
Then somebody better call the cops on John Green already

>>17523968
I thought we're talking about writing

>>17523962
>depicting sex between minors in public
Whoa nobody said anything about that

>>17523990
Yes.
Don't write a story about a bunch of kids having sex all they want and then give them normal lives and a happy ending as though behavior like that will lead them there.
It's like writing a psychopathic serial killer who stops one day and then everyone just sort of forgives him.
Obviously do whatever you want and don't take any rules as hard and fast, but if you're going to have wildly unrealistic things then have very good reasons for them.

>>17524000
It may be immoral to have sex in high school, but it's certainly not socially frowned upon, and a lot of people who do it probably end up with relatively happy lives.

>>17524005
>but it's certainly not socially frowned upon
I'm not saying it is. If your story takes place in Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, or some place like that then go wild. Have your characters fuck all you want and have everyone around not give them shit for it.
>a lot of people who do it probably end up with relatively happy lives.
Change "lot" to "few" and then you're right. It's not impossible, but it's certainly not a safe bet to make.

>>17523375
And yet, people will mock them for daring to write something they enjoy instead of being the pretentious faggots and hacks like the rest of them.

>>17524014
>teenage sex only happens in big cities
Should we tell him?

>>17524034
Let him cling to this false ideal. It’s not like his seriously writing anything.

>>17524034
Can you read?
I was talking about where it wouldn't be frowned upon and gave some examples of places I thought it would be the least likely to be.
>>17524041
>

>>17524045
You probably think people here should just imitate novels of the past and not just write what they want to write.

>>17524049
That's almost the complete opposite of what I think.

>>17524057
Why do you do this? Stifle other people’s voices when it comes to writing their novels? Does the central theme, the actions, the character themselves make you uncomfortable?

>>17524066
What? What are you talking about?

>>17524073
Teenagers have sex when they’re in highschool. To deny it is simply ludicrous and Puritan. To say the only way they will ever live a normal and productive life is not to have sex when they’re at the age where they are their most hormonal is just plain wrong.

>>17521963
What is the point of coming here or even writing if your novels are not influenced by the western canon or by writers of old? What is the point of writing this? No one would read this. No academic academy will ever say, “This, author will be the next Shakespeare, the next Faulkner, or perhaps the next Joyce.” Instead, your book will languish in obscurity and you will never be recognized.

>>17524091
I'm not denying that they do. However, it's far from guaranteed and has even been becoming much less common more recently. Some do, many don't.
It's not about them having sex at that age, it's that they have casual sex outside of marriage, which has been proven to have a large negative impact on a person's life.
And none of this is about the immorality of it, it's about writing realistic, believable, and well-written characters. A prostitute won't magically become a good, loyal housewife and mother. People won't read about a character that is a prostitute and does become a those things without smelling bullshit. Breaking the rules is just as worthless as mindlessly following them if you don't understand how to do it well.

>>17524121
It's worth a try though, right?

>>17524121
>Breaking the rules is just as worthless as mindlessly following them if you don't understand how to do it well.
How can he break the rules if you’re telling him how to write his story in a certain way simply because of your own personal beliefs?

>>17524126
No, it is not. Walk the beaten path and do not stray from it.

>>17524121
The original anon says he's writing about 4 close friends, so probably either they'd pair off two by two or have some kind of love triangle bullshit, doesn't exactly sound like kids becoming town bicycles.

>>17524121
>Some do, many don't.
>It's not about them having sex at that age, it's that they have casual sex outside of marriage, which has been proven to have a large negative impact on a person's life.
You are trying to impose your conservative beliefs in that other anon and want him to write his story on how YOU want to and not him. Stifling his creativity on a subject you find uncomfortable unless it ends on a certain way.

>>17524121
Why would you project your personal beliefs into your writing? Brandon Sanderson doesn't feel the need to make his characters Mormons and all the villains religious heretics.

>>17524171
Brandon Sanderson isn’t even a writer to begin with. What he “writes” is not important to me.

>>17524126
Absolutely.
The most important thing in writing is actually getting something written.
>>17524137
I'm not. I'm saying what the rules are (i.e. reality is) and trying to make it understood that there needs to be reason given behind unrealistic things like these. Even if it's not something you ever let the reader know if that works for your story it's something you should know.
>>17524154
Then his situation requires less effort on his part to make work. It's much more believable that they fall in love, get together, have sex, and then still lead fine lives in this scenario.
>>17524165
Did you miss the middle of what I said? I'm not telling him to make his characters chaste puritans. I'm telling him to make sure to have good reason for what they do and what happens if it strays too far from reality.
>>17524171
I don't. Again, this isn't about making them act any certain way I think is best. It's about either not having unbelievable and unrealistic things happen or having strong reason for them to if they do.
Allow me to reiterate my primary point in plain terms: Write what you want and have believable reasons behind the things that happen. The more unrealistic the things that happen, the stronger your reasons will need to be for them to happen.

>>17524121
>And none of this is about the immorality of it, it's about writing realistic, believable, and well-written characters
>Dude, if you have pre-marital sex, you’re most likely going to have a shit life.
How the fuck is that anyway realistic, believable or even well-written? Fucking hell, read what you type.

>>17523435
Post in the /ffa/ thread

>>17524213
Your standards of what's believable don't really line up with the modern normie audience that reads YA novels.

>>17514918
Don't be so harsh with your mother.

>>17524228
I was saying that it isn't about whether or not it's immoral or if it is then how immoral it is.
If you have casual sex, there's a decent chance.
>>17524245
Very fair point.

>>17524264
>If you have casual sex, there's a decent chance
Why don’t you live life a little before espousing retarded shit like this.

The least I do is 500 words a session. If I go lower than that then it's a bad day. I'm aiming for 1.5k-2k words a night. Keep writing anons.

>>17524282
>Why don’t you live life a little
Sorry, but I'm not gonna become a manwhore just to get firsthand experience on whether or not having low self control will negatively impact my life.
I'm sure you're content waiting to meet another person who's "ready to settle down," but don't pretend that's what everyone wants.

>>17524264
>If you have casual sex, there's a decent chance
You’re taking something complete and nuanced and being reductive. Having casual sex is not what less people to have shitty lives. It involves economical, social, parental, and other multitude of problem to get there. The fact that you believe that having casual sex in of itself is what results a bad life speaks volume on little life experience you have.

>>17524241
Honestly, the anti-anime fags are what’s ruining /wg/.

>>17524328
Yes, there are indeed many factors that impact a person's life. Sex does have a big impact on people. It's not something people can just try out like trying on pairs of shoes.

>>17524367
>trying on shoes without buying them
Gross, whore

>>17519193
fuck that, just put on whatever music you like to listen to, like for me i listen to a lot of hiphop, and im also listening to everything by the beatles bc i havent properly listened to them before. fuck the classical academia bullshit, just play whatever u like

>>17524300
Same, though I mostly aim for just north of a thousand. Not almost or above two. I'm not quite there yet.

>>17524389
You probably don’t even read Faulkner, Hemingway, all the other greats to get inspired. You’re never going to make it.

>>17524389
Do you think playlists are classical academia?

>>17524300
Can’t seem to find the words whenever I’m writing.

>>17524426
Crack a dictionary.
It's literally full of them.

>>17524351
I’m just tired of their excessive bitching. Fucking hell, just stop meandering on stupid bullshit.

>>17524300
My word counts fluctuates day to day which pisses me off so much.

>>17524432
Is true!

>>17524403
>Faulkner, Hemingway, all the other greats
Who gives a shit about that. Fucking hell, just write what you want to write.

>>17523375
>The only people who are doing any writing in these threads are the animefags.
That’s incredibly depressing. But would explain the anime pic in the OP.

>>17524403
I only get inspired by reading the scripts of Werner Herzog movies

>>17524473
So you write shit and are proud of that? No wonder modern literature is going to shit when modern day writers are you accepting mediocrity.

>>17524483
People aren't "accepting" mediocrity, they love what you call mediocre much better than what you think is great

>>17524483
I don't write modern literature though, I have absolutely no involvement in anything that has ever been published.

>>17524495
Sounds like coping by the fact that they will never reach the heights of writers of old.

>>17524502
Sounds like coping that nobody thinks your dusty old farts smell good anymore

>start writing
>get into it
>producing content at lightning speed
>almost frantic
>read it back
>it's all ramble

I love the feeling of when I'm in the zone, but fuck, I produce some senseless shit.

>>17524505
So instead of improving and reaching your full potential you embrace the sorry state of literature of today? For what?

>>17524502
Let's be real for a minute, you just want to use words like nigger and are upset this is no longer socially acceptable.
I know how you feel, but get over it.

>>17524499
Why are you there if you have no inspiration to be a writer?

>>17524518
at least you're prolific
i struggle

>>17524529
But I am a writer. I write every day.

>>17524528
Is this supposed to stagger me? To make me self-reflect? Why attack my character with such baseless claims?

>>17524543
To remind you that nobody takes you seriously.

>>17524549
So you don’t wish to become a serious writer, instead post here to give yourself the illusion of becoming a writer and attack me because I take my future career seriously?

>>17524536
Wait, struggle to get in the zone? I thought everyone underwent it at least once?

>>17524561
You're a clown. You wouldn't be in the fucking circus if you weren't. If you wish to be taken seriously, go some place else. But here? With your white face-paint and your big red nose and your baggy pants and oversized shoes? You're a clown, surrounded by other clowns. The other clowns are having fun with their antics. But you? You think you're something else. Look into the mirror. Get some self-awareness.
Choose. Do you embrace who you are and learn to enjoy it, or do you leave the circus and seek after your "serious" career elsewhere?

>>17524579
I remember the early days of /wg/ in which people here were serious in their attempts to write. To see it fall so far is disheartening.

>>17524593
What attempts to write? All you're doing is complaining about how others don't like Hemingway

>>17524575
i did once. now i doubt every word and sentence and i'm really slow and i hate everything that came out

>>17524579
You know, I honestly thought having the Anime pic in the OP would dissuade people from taking themselves too seriously. Christ, what will it take people to write for fun?

>>17524602
There’s a story here and you’re not telling. What happened?

>>17524610
>Christ, what will it take people to write for fun?
They just want larp and be pretentious faggots.

>>17524610
Writing isn't about fun. It's about changing the world. I'm an intelligent and insightful person. People should listen to me. I need you, ALL OF YOU, to try your best so you can help me hone my craft to the perfection that it should ever be my study to deserve.
Then and only then may I become the supreme artist and carve my name into the Rock of Ages, and you will all be richer for it, for it is you, you happy few, who may say "I knew him before he shook up the world", you who may say "the giant, the titan, he was once a man, and I knew his face as did Moses know the face of the Lord". Do you have the stomach for greatness, you dogs?
No, no I think not. Away with you! Go have your fun elsewhere, for this thread is the crucible for the crafting of my art, not a funhouse.
Good day, sir.

>>17524634
I just want to tell my story, anon. nothing more and nothing less. I don't give a shit about dead authors how they change literature with their novels.

>>17524646
STORY? You DARE utter such pedestrian words in my hall? Stories are for children! Stories are nothing! Plots and structures are for plays and movies, not writing. Writing is music, it's poetry. It has no story, no plot, no form. It's liquid, it's gas, it's the very plasma of your blood.
No wonder you like anime and fun you faggot.
Seriously speaking folks, never forget to have fun with what you're doing

>>17524657
Thank you, anon. Coming to this thread is my only hope in getting any sort of critique, As sad as that is.

>>17524646
And you shouldn’t. Only a vocal minority cares about that shit, and they usually shit up the thread with that bullshit.

>>17524404
im talking abt these dark academia playlists u retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie5koh4qvJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQMNer3PwUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1BJ4U9cJFc

>>17514840
Test

>>17524634
>I'm an intelligent and insightful person

240 pages into the next novel, gentlemen. I suspect I’m around the half point. Progress is slowing down due to distractions in life. Here’s hoping I can return to 5 pages a sit-down.

>>17524685
I mean, if I’m writing an epic, I’ll listen to that for inspiration.

>>17524612
i don't think i'm having fun writing anymore. i'm afraid of what people think because it's shit. my ideas are bland, my vocabulary is trash, i use similes too much. i still write /about/ things i want to but if it's not good then it's not good. and it's not good and when i look back at my old writing two years ago i thought i improved but compared to most of you i stand no chance. and i bet so much on the next word i'm going to put on the page, i hope they won't cringe, i hope it makes sense, i hope i'm not insulting their intelligence by overexplaining mundane shit. and it takes me hours to write what the rest of you can achieve in ten minutes and i just watched whisper of the heart again and i cried like a child and i didn't really sleep last night and i just finished the first draft of a very short story that i thought was pretty good but it's not and i knew that from the start, and i know that most likely i'm ngmi but i can't just stop so i'm just gonna keep repeating this cycle. sorry for the blog

Report that almost nobody cares about: I think I've found inspiration. Two years, and I think I've found some random ass thing that will bring me to finish a piece of writing for once without giving up since I find myself not skilled enough.

Question: What defines "good writing" to you? Anything in particular?

>>17524699
Honestly, it kinda sounds like something I underwent as well. I remember I was trying to turn my story into something it was not. and I just hated it. You know, I had the main character be like someone from the 19th and 20th century in the narration when he was a recently graduated high-schooler living in the early 2010s simply because that was what /wg/ and /lit/ would be best.

>>17524724
>What defines "good writing" to you
This shit is so subjective that I don’t even know. I read al the supposed great works /lit/ recommend me and hated them, save perhaps, The Great Gatsby. I feel in love with that novel.
>Anything in particular?
The great gatsby for me.

>>17524742
>You know, I had the main character be like someone from the 19th and 20th century in the narration when he was a recently graduated high-schooler living in the early 2010s simply because that was what /wg/ and /lit/ would be best.
Jesus, anon, why the fuck would you do that to yourself?

>>17524813
I can understand the thought processes that lead up to it - I read a lot of novels from early 1900s and the way they speak is elegant and well spoken. In casual conversation I can see why we got rid of it, but I miss that in modern novels.

>>17524813
Because I thought people here knew what they were doing and they were name dropping famous authors and their works and I didn't want to embarrass myself when trying to present my work.

>>17524837
>Because I thought people here knew what they were doing
Your first mistake

>>17524848
It really was because I just hated writing my story soon thereafter and made any and all excuses to not write. I was not happy one bit trying to reconcile the differences.

>>17524837
>Because I thought people here knew what they were doing

You now know that we've barely the faintest idea of what we're doing.

>>17524880
Just thinking about the amount of changes I had to make during a single paragraph just depresses me.

>>17524825
Sure, and I’m not going to fault him for it, but to the point he butchered his own story just to appease a small section of of pretentious idiots here is still something to call out.

>>17524910
I respect that resolve, honestly. The fact that you were willing to go back and do all that work is astounding to me. I can barely finish a first draft of a short story, let alone revise, edit, go over with others (who would I go over with?), etc. etc. I have my own issues that prevent me from even beginning, really, and I greatly respect you for not having them or otherwise overcoming them.

Is fixation about a character in your story a bad thing?

>>17524928
I was young and naive, and I really wanted to be a writer it's been a dream of mine since I was a child.

>>17524953
Like a character obsessed with another character? Voldemort.

>>17524976
No, like, I'm fixated on a character I'm writing.

>>17524988
Does it hinder your ability to write the story? That's the most important question you should be asking yourself.

>>17524988
Do you want to fuck it or is there something deeper?

>>17524988
No? First person stories exist and biographies are all about a single person.

>>17524995
>>17524996
>>17524999
I just thought the word fixation had a negative connotation associated with it. It's okay. Thanks for your help, guys.

>>17524999
Aren't there different types of first-person though? With specific styles?

>>17525013
Is there something you ain't telling us?

>too tired to write after work
Fuck, what should I do?

>>17525031
Write before work

>>17525038
I wake up early to go to work though.

>>17525040
You work 18 hours a day or what?

>>17524693
Congratulations. Can you tell us anything about it?

>>17525051
No, but my job is soul-crushing.

>>17525062
Do you scoop eyes out of living puppies?

>>17525014
Not really. You can have varying prose but first-person is always limited to the viewpoint of said character.

>>17525081
>A rare form of the first person is the first person omniscient, in which the narrator is a character in the story, but also knows the thoughts and feelings of all the other characters.

New thread

>>17525107

>>17524964
>>17524928
>>17524910
>>17524742
godspeed, lads

Well here we are; the future
A banal epidemic
Just bored of life
living to sleep,
sleeping to avoid living
Unexceptional in both achievements and lack of achievements.
At least it would be interesting,
if it were threatening