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17424183 No.17424183 [Reply] [Original]

How come he has never been refuted?

>> No.17424204

>>17424183
He got refuted in a footnote in Bataille's accursed share

>> No.17424252

>>17424183
He was the greatest and most relevant writer of the last century. Idc what haters think about him.

>> No.17424269

>>17424183
Books that expose Western Civilization for the scam it is?

>> No.17424291

>>17424269
my diary desu

>> No.17424378

>>17424204
No he didnt, Bataille was just seething at his own mediocracy in comparison to the great French metaphysician

>> No.17424879

>>17424269
society of the spectacle

>> No.17424897

>>17424269
Atlas Shrugged

>> No.17424904

>>17424378
Guenon is to philosophy what peterson is to philosophy an illiterate pseud

>> No.17425018

>>17424378
Yes he did lol

Anon I hope you didnt waste time reading Guano

>> No.17425105

times guenon was refuted
>refuted when he got kicked out of university for writing an "I love cryptobuddhism" essay as his thesis instead of writing a source criticism and sylvain levy said "That's very nice but you were supposed to write a source criticism, you are just repeating outdated theosophical interpretations of advaita vedanta into the upanishads like an amateur enthusiast, you can still appreciate advaita vedanta and finish your thesis properly, the two aren't mutually exclusive you know" and he replied "I love cryptobuddhism"
>refuted by bataille in footnote
>refuted by evola about kshatriya
>refuted by coomaraswamy about buddhism
>refuted by himself by being a muslim hindu accepted by neither muslims nor hindus because he was really a crypto-buddhist
>refuted by his main representative on this board being a faggot who sees "guenon was refuted" and has to rush to his defence like guenon is his waifu

>> No.17425118

>>17425105
All his books are self refuting. I've had the displeasure of reading him.

>> No.17425126

>>17425105
>refuted by his main follower Frithjof Schuon starting an amerindian-themed sex cult in Bloomington Indiana where he was repeatedly accused of fondling underage girls while he was naked, and making people's moms dance naked in front of them while he jerked off
>refuted by his other follower Hossein Nasr being a CIA informer

>> No.17425175

>>17424904
>american education

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>Frithjof Schuon started an amerindian-themed sex cult in Bloomington Indiana where he was repeatedly accused of fondling underage girls while he was naked, and making people's moms dance naked in front of them while he jerked off

>> No.17425241

>>17425126

these two alone are enough to seriously question the truthfulness of the religious man

>> No.17426252

>La dernière phrase de Guénon, à sa femme, a été : « N'ai-je pas assez souffert ? »

What did he mean by this? Why don't guenondicksuckers mention this?

>> No.17426268

>>17425105
Don't forget his pajeet vedanta teachers broke off all contact with him when he published the very cringe King of the World, where he argued a midget in an underground Tibetan cave controls the spiritual influences of the world.

>> No.17426323

>>17425105
>>refuted when he got kicked out of university for writing an "I love cryptobuddhism" essay as his thesis instead of writing a source criticism and sylvain levy said "That's very nice but you were supposed to write a source criticism, you are just repeating outdated theosophical interpretations of advaita vedanta into the upanishads like an amateur enthusiast, you can still appreciate advaita vedanta and finish your thesis properly, the two aren't mutually exclusive you know" and he replied "I love cryptobuddhism"

My sides. Guenon had extremely poor argumentation. Every other line in his books is "muh tradition mothafucka. muh intuition mothafucka. muh initiation mothafucka. believe it or you're a modernist. WE WUZ GURUS N SHIET."

He fried his brain on opium (look up his freemasonic teacher Matgioi, known advocate of heroin for meditation purposes" and constantly looked zonked out and gullible frenchoids mistook this for profundity.

He told everyone to search for initiation but when they asked him where to find it he had no clue. The supposed initiatic Catholic cults he spoke of where made up by Charbonneau-Lassay because he wanted to stop people from converting to Islam. They never existed.

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>>17426323
>Every other line in his books is "muh tradition mothafucka. muh intuition mothafucka. muh initiation mothafucka. believe it or you're a modernist. WE WUZ GURUS N SHIET."
nice try hylic but that's wrong

>René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

>“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

>“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

>“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

>“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

>“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

>> No.17426358

>>17426348
>“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy, which presupposes firstly a Divine Revelation and secondly a Tradition that has handed down with fidelity what Heaven has revealed. He thus restores to orthodoxy its true meaning, rectitude of opinion which compels the intelligent man not only to reject heresy but also to recognize the validity of faiths other than his own if they also are based on the same two principles, Revelation and Tradition.”
—Martin Lings, author of Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions

>“If during the last century or so there has been even some slight revival of awareness in the Western world of what is meant by metaphysics and metaphysical tradition, the credit for it must go above all to Guénon. At a time when the confusion into which modern Western thought had fallen was such that it threatened to obliterate the few remaining traces of genuine spiritual knowledge from the minds and hearts of his contemporaries, Guénon, virtually single-handed, took it upon himself to reaffirm the values and principles which, he recognized, constitute the only sound basis for the living of a human life with dignity and purpose or for the formation of a civilization worthy of the name.”
—Philip Sherrard, author of Christianity: Lineaments of a Sacred Tradition

>“Apart from his amazing flair for expounding pure metaphysical doctrine and his critical acuteness when dealing with the errors of the modern world, Guénon displayed a remarkable insight into things of a cosmological order. . . . He all along stressed the need, side by side with a theoretical grasp of any given doctrine, for its concrete—one can also say its ontological—realization failing which one cannot properly speak of knowledge.”
—Marco Pallis, author of A Buddhist Spectrum

>“Guénon’s mission was two-fold: to reveal the metaphysical roots of the ‘crisis of the modern world’ and to explain the ideas behind the authentic and esoteric teachings that still [remain] alive.”
—Harry Oldmeadow, author of Traditionalism: Religion in the Light of the Perennial Philosophy

>> No.17426428

>>17426348
All the people you cited are hacks. Guenon is HUGE among baby boomers. Big fucking deal.

>> No.17426435

>>17424183
this is just sad
Evola and Guenon posters are just sad

>> No.17426440

Multiple States of the Being is one of the worst books I've ever read. This guy can't argue worth shit. It's pretty bad because this is his purest metaphysical work, so it should have been his best, but instead it's all filler and no killer.

At least just read Ibn Arabi. Guenon is an idiot and a fraud.

>> No.17426445

Has Guenon written a single argument in his life? Has he done anything other than question begging and dropping terminology that he never fully defines, in order to impress confused, deracinated baby boomers? The answer is a resounding, eternal, absolute, NO.

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>>17424269
>'Crisis of the Modern World' - René Guénon
>'The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times' - René Guénon"

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>>17426445
>Has Guenon written a single argument in his life?
Yes, he retroactively refuted Kant

>Before passing on to consider time, however, it may be pointed out that the inexistence of an 'empty space' is enough to expose the absurdity of one of Kant's too famous cosmological antinomies: to ask 'whether the world is infinite or whether it is limited within space' is a question that has absolutely no meaning. Space cannot possibly extend beyond the world in order to contain it, because an empty space would then be in question, and emptiness cannot contain anything: on the contrary, it is space that is in the world, that is to say, in manifestation, and if consideration be confined to the domain of corporeal manifestation alone, it can be said that space is coextensive with this world, because it is one of its conditions; but this world is no more infinite than is space itself, for, like space, it does not contain every possibility, but only represents a certain particular order of possibilities, and it is limited by the determinations that constitute its very nature.

- ريني غينون

>> No.17426465

>>17424269
I don't know but I think the term "Western Civilization" in general needs an update. I personally believe Western Civilization died when Rome Fell and Christianity took over. Everything up until that point has been something new and hybridized, and modernity being literal clown world.

>> No.17426466

Reminder that Marco Pallis and Ananda Coomaraswamy visited him in Egypt to disprove him on Buddhism, which he grudgingly accepted but still couldn't go all the way.

He's a complete hack and shit historian. Even the westernized half-indian (still a fraud) knew more than him.

>> No.17426476

>>17424269
Marx's Capital
Debord's SotS
D&G's AO

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>>17426440
>"Multiple States of the Being is one of the worst books I've ever read."

>> No.17426483

>>17426464
I don't even like Kant but this is not good argumentation. I would never cite Guenon in refutation of Kant. It's a roundabout way of saying "Kant is wrong because he's, like, so obviously wrong. Just think about it!"

>> No.17426507

>>17426477
It's shit. At least Man and His Becoming (although still flawed in terms of argumentation) was readable and engaging. His love for Vedanta really comes through and if you want to recommend someone a book on what advaitins believe, this is not a bad choice.

But when it's time for Guenon to deliver on the supposedly "pure metaphysics" he won't shut up about, it's fucking terrible. Good job owning me with a me-me picture. Good job, retard.

>> No.17426513

>>17425018
>>17424204
Source?

>> No.17426516

>>17426464
>'whether the world is infinite or whether it is limited within space' is a question that has absolutely no meaning.
Kant's argument is exactly this, that space and time is fundamental to how we conceive of the world but that this doesn't necessarily have to do with the world in itself. This rings very much like Guenon has only read secondary lit about Kant. Fucking pseud.

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>>17426466
>visited him in Egypt to disprove him on Buddhism,
If by convincing him what you mean they got Guenon to concede that its possible that Buddhist was originally a spinoff of Upanishadic absolutism and that it didn't deny the existence of an atman, then yes; but scholars such as Stanislaw Schayer and C.Rhys Davids had already been writing about such a possibility for a while.

>> No.17426530

>>17426516
>This rings very much like Guenon has only read secondary lit about Kant.

The dude just parroted whatever he heard his buddies say at his midnight seances. He never provides real sources or engages critically with texts. It's always a "just fucking believe me, I mean, WE the tradition."

>> No.17426531

>>17426513
Accursed Share Vol I, look in the footnotes at the end.

>> No.17426551

>>17426483
>It's a roundabout way of saying "Kant is wrong because he's, like, so obviously wrong. Just think about it!"
When a high-IQ person reads it their third eye activates and they have an intellectual intuition of its meaning, by hylics and many modern people have lost the capacity for it. Sad, many such cases

>> No.17426562

>>17426507
>(although still flawed in terms of argumentation)
like?

>> No.17426567

>>17426551
So he's on the level of stoner teens.

Got it.

>> No.17426579

>>17426567
t. hylic

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>>17426464
Reminder Guenon was obliterated so bad that guenonfag couldn't even respond.
https://direct.warosu.org/lit/thread/S14395216#p14397350

>> No.17426586

>>17426551
>OOOOOOOh I'm a schizoooo! IM SCHIZOOOOO! I'M oOoOOOoooOOOOOO! SCHIZoOooOOOooooOOOOOOOoooooooooOoooooooOooOoooOooOOOOOooooOOOOOOO!

>> No.17426611

>>17426584
Wow...that's devastating. Guenonfag always degenerates into name-calling when he's lost the argument. No surprise he can't respond.

>> No.17426614

>>17426584
that post ranting about mundane continental bullshit and Kantianism was probably made by one of our local whiteheadian discord trannies under one of their nom de guerre

>> No.17426631

>>17426428
>Guenon is HUGE among baby boomers
Yes, wisdom tends to grow with age

>> No.17426650

>>17426614
No argument, much like Guenon's entire oeuvre.

>> No.17426692

>>17426650
>No argument
neither was that post, it alludes in a vague way to "the problem created by Kantian thought" but it never elaborates on how this is relevant at all to Guénon's thought or why he should even care about it. There is no contradiction demonstrated in Guénon's thought or in his position by it, you're basically just whining about him not caring more about western philosophy.

>> No.17426835

>>17426348
>>17426358
>a bunch of guenon's fans like guenon
no shit, every one of them is a traditionalist or para-traditionalist

what is it with pajeets and muslims and thinking this convinces anyone, it's like when you go to the wikipedia article for some random brown guy and random sentences say
>He was admired by all for how great he was. In fact he was so great that everyone who met him thought that he was the greatest. He was so wise. I love him.

you brown motherfucker do you not realize that means nothing? it's just gushing, you sound like a woman

>> No.17426850

>>17426584
Not him but as per the question of religions helping you reach a totality one must not forget that we live in the Kali Yuga, where man is fallen and all our creations fail to attain wholly divine fruits and have to constantly combat universal Evils.

This always realization always swoops in at me whenever I try to be a dick about Christianity and Abrahamism in regards to it's misanthropic creation myth and the negative consequences for mankind. It would only make sense that Mankinds most accurate analysis of himself would be a creature fallen from grace plagued by sin. Christianity(or something like it) taking over the world is more of a deterministic factor in this age than we'd like to think.

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>>17426835
>René Guénon was admired by all for how great he was. In fact he was so great that everyone who met him thought that he was the greatest. He was so wise. I love him.

>> No.17426867

>>17426614
>Schmitt
>continental
I don't even care that much. Kantianism is really only one great method of modern thought and being, so it should be obvious that very few would be able to escape it, or the other variants. Plenty of great thinkers fell short of seeing the essence of our age, or what lies behind it, because of the strength of nihilism and the nomos which creates it. Kant and his detractors are one in this - and in fact a blind opposition to him may only worsen the same effects. The 'kantian humility' is lost, and moving forward even less strata remain from which the human destroys the metaphysical and real world.
Technical rationalism, poetics, and even theology/religion are equally prone to falling into nihilism, which suggests a much greater force behind it all. Guenon, as is much of the second religiousness, participates blindly in the initiation to this force.
Guenon was just a useful target because I was annoyed with all the spam. Not really against his thought, however, people should be aware of his shortcomings.

>> No.17426892

>>17426867
I see, well that was gay of you to refer to it as "obliterating Guenon", because it didn't

>> No.17426893

>>17426692
For the stupid, it's saying that Guenon was searching for God via eBay reviews.

>> No.17426915

I wish people would stop associating Guénon with guénonfag. There have been several threads and individual posters proving he has terrible knowledge of Guénon, among other things. He is a troll.

>>/lit/thread/S17343890

Look at this thread then look at this one, also look at his replies in this thread. He is not serious at all. He is a moron and probably a false flag.

>> No.17426960

>>17426915
I associate Guenon with Guenon and Evola and both these people are morons.

>> No.17426998

>>17426893
>searching
That's the thing about the Tradition, you don't have to search but things are revealed to you esoterically, among various gnostic churches, masonry etc, Guénon received initiations into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad as well as into the al-'Arabiyya Shadhiliyya Sufi order

>> No.17427083

damn.. it seems like people entered this thread to attack the fabled René Guénon, only to see their attacks feebly fail time after time, his reputation endures as bright as the sun...

>> No.17427112

>>17426892
Nice cope.
If you knew anything about it you'd be able to say something more, but...

>> No.17427148

>>17427112
There is nothing to say, Kant is forever reduced to abysmal unimportance and insignificance by the doctrines of the Tradition which eluded him when you really understand them, which Kant only remain disaffected and estranged from due to his being born into the modern western world.

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>>17427083
>it seems like people entered this thread to attack the fabled René Guénon, only to see their attacks feebly fail time after time, his reputation endures as bright as the sun

You could say that the more things change the more they stay the same

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>>17427247
True, guenonfag went from being a buddhist to a cryptobuddhist.

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>> No.17427291

he hasn’t been refuted because anti-discrimination laws make it illegal to refute gay people. otherwise, he’d be long-since btfo. if he weren’t gay i would call him a cryptobuddhist but he is, so i won’t.

>> No.17427310

>>17427271
Hello old friend. Remember when you said this?
>It's been 24 hours and none of you ming-mongs have replied to this. All the more embarrassing considering YoU CaN't HaVe Up WiThOuT dOwN mY dUdEz loooooollzzlz lmafaooo :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!1!111! was intended to be the epic GOTCHA retort. Writhing animals.

Then remember when you admitted it was you saying it, a bunch of times, and got mad that people kept reminding you of it? Then, just recently, you switched to saying it was not you who said it?

You still haven't explained why you said it. Explain to me why you said "ming-mongs." Why did you say it?

>> No.17427317

Guenon was based.

>> No.17427355

>>17427310
>Remember when you said this?
It was not me, the guy who posted that told you so too.

>You still haven't explained why you said it.
I don't know, I didn't say it. The reason I surmise he said it was when he was intermittently participating in one of my many sessions of refuting and explaining the inherent contradictions in Buddhism on this board, when in a context of arguing about consciousness and Atman and Anattahe was arguing with a Buddhist about whether or not you can have up without down, and he explained why in a very thoughtful way, and the Buddhists being their usual sophistic selves were unable to come up with any meaningful reply. I think the post is quite insightful, you can tell it's not me because its not my writing style. Looking back on his post, I find myself charmed by how he refers to Buddhism as 'bad phenomenology', as I similarly having a distaste for Buddhism.

>I don't see how it would be relevant one way or the other, (bad) Phenomenology being the last place I would look to answer such questions, but you can have up without down. If one would start ascending and reach the apex of up and find one's self looking up at the one's initial position, but look down and see nothing, and upon descending from the same initial position find nothing still, then one would have to assume that up is and down is not. That is, not as a thought experiment about naming conventions otherwise parallel to the Phenomenal, which would ironically probably prove the Buddhist right by disregarding the Phenomenal, but in the most literal sense of a man ascending from the Earth, ironically acquiescing to the Buddhist Phenomenal fetish,

>>/lit/thread/S14177852#p14180773

>> No.17427519

parmesan

>> No.17427916

>>17427165
Imagine being as cringe as the guy who writes all capital letters

>> No.17427940

>>17424879
I heard about it a couple of years. What am I in for and do you guys recommend. I am french so I could read in its original.

>> No.17428223

>>17425105
>>refuted by himself by being a muslim
I find this criticism to be baseless and unfair and it's usually brought up by white identitarians, /pol/tards, and other criticizers of Guenon. Even if he wanted to, he felt he couldn't be initiated into Hinduism because there is no rite for initiation found in the Vedas. Also, Islam is intrinsically Western since it is an Abrahamic religion, but his justification for converting was that it has one foot in the East.

>> No.17428244

>>17425126
Schuon was acquitted for these charges because the key witness had given false testimonies in the past and was proven to be of dubious character, and therefore have retroactively refuted herself.

>> No.17428262

>>17424183
He believed in Agartha. Ie an underground civilization that has steam locomotives and secretly controls the world
Guenon was a retard

>> No.17428311

>>17428223
>Even if he wanted to, he felt he couldn't be initiated into Hinduism because there is no rite for initiation found in the Vedas.
He could only not have take the Upayanam or investiture with the sacred thread, which is only open to twice-born castes. But the Samasrayanam initiation in Sri Vaishnavism are offered to anyone without caste, ancestral, racial or other requirements. Similarly the Hindu Shaivite and Shaktic Agamic literature is considered as a separate revealed body of scriptures alongside the Upanishads by various schools of Hinduism, and in those Agamas are prescribed alternative initiations which have no requirements, and which foreigners can take if they join certain Shaivite or Shaktist schools. So there were actually multiple options available to Guenon.

>> No.17428318

>>17426584
Extremely based.

>> No.17428342

>>17428311
>Agamas
Guenon had no interest in tantra because he saw it has a heterodox form of Sanatana Dharma.

>> No.17428358

>>17428342
Have you read him? In his various letters and shorter essays he refers to the Hindu Tantra as being a grey area where there existed multiple bodies of teachings, some of which heterodox, and others of which as being in conformity with the Tradition despite outward differences.

>> No.17428583

>>17426507
A quick rundown on his shit "pure metaphysics"? I was thinking of reading Multiple States of Being

>> No.17428599

desu I prefer Schuon but I still think Guenon was cool

>> No.17428824

>>17426584
Wow so traditional religions with 1500-6000 years old are all Kantian now after Kant, fascinating.

>> No.17428996

>>17426584
>Schmitt correctly points out how the Christian conservatives retained Kantianism as a method even in their reaction against modernity.
>Kantianism
>against modernity
>the rest of the post just tries to impress the audience with constant namedrops
>the original post is literally just pure ultra autism
why am I still on this fucking board
>>17426867
>Guenon, as is much of the second religiousness, participates blindly in the initiation to this force
Spengler is officially the fucking 12th percentile filter. Every Spenglerite I have spoken to has been smarter than people who haven't heard of Spengler, but ALL of them were fucking retarded when compared to people who engage with metaphysics properly.

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The Unrefuted Champion (pbuh)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQOvpLUoYxw&ab_channel=%CE%93%CE%B5%CE%B8%CF%83%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE

>> No.17429205

>>17424183
Every thought he ever had was refuted in Thus Spoke Zarathustra: the Book That Kills Copes.

Every section destroys a different aspect of Traditionalism, i.e. the priestly ideal. 'Contemplation' of an imaginary perfection is what these botched men settled on, and it's pathetic. For thousands of years we took Squidwards for wise men. Pity for the higher man! That was the root of all of it. 99 times out of 100 the spiritually endowed, the intelligent, the intense, the creative go WRONG. So they become monks. Forget them. Just turn out RIGHT and grow in real power, not command of some woo-woo 'eternal doctrines.'

>> No.17429283

>>17426268
I would love a souce for that.

>> No.17429292

>>17424269
Carrol Quigley’s Tragedy and Hope

>> No.17429326

>>17426358
Anon, most of these people either sell Guenon’s books or write books based on Guenon’s books. Fr. Seraphim Rose and Phillip Sherrard are legitimate and that should be enough to take Guenon seriously but c’mon.

>> No.17429341

I think in regard to Guenon, Evola, and other Traditionalist authors, people who read a good amount of them and understand them are able to recognize that there are in fact valuable insights and are thus able to separate those from the confused ramblings of authors, who for the most part, were very clear about the fact that they were searching through muck and a bit confused themselves. In fact, it’s that fact which makes them valuable. They wandered the desert so you don’t have to. That doesn’t mean they found the oasis.

>> No.17429342

>>17424269
Why would you need a book, the product of civilization, for that? Its because many words have the appearance of superiority over the few. Because your vague ideas and definitions are not accepted by the complex of civilization. You want to set yourself apart from civilization by participating in something that will only serve to entrench you further, you actively want to conform by settling into the most civilizational niche of them all; nonconformity. Books are for those with high enough IQ's that flipping through one and absorbing every word is as easy and thoughtless as walking. For everyone else, without your own internal guide, it becomes a dependency, like suckling on mothers breasts past the age of two, or three. You prolong the scam by posting again the same question asked most likely more than any other question. You pollute the collective consciousness with your populous rambling. So long as you act like this, you will never find the answer.

>> No.17429355

>>17429205
This is one of the more pseud posts I’ve read here. Please don’t do this again.

>> No.17430431

>>17425105
You just BTFO guenonfag like no one ever did.

>> No.17430482

>>17428262
Didn’t Blavatsky believe in the same thing?

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Retroactively refuted by Jesus Christ

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>>17429326
fellow orthodox guenonposter

>> No.17430923

>>17428996
Retard

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>>17426584
the root ontology of Traditionalism is a hodgepodge of late 19th century esotericism and hermetic syncretism, post-Kantian Religionswissenschaft and Protestant theology, the Religionsgeschichtliche Schule and its early 20th century offshoots, which also had a post-Kantian epistemology, and a healthy dose of Romantic theory on religion and myth, which has been described by Beiser and other scholars as "neo-Platonist," or as the "archetypal" strand of Kant interpretation. Read any myth-related text of Schelling and you will see Traditionalism. Actually, read Paul Bishop's book _The Archaic_ for a decent discussion of the core concept(s) from which Traditionalism sprang. Its ontology is part of a general response to Kantian rationalism that involved a re-introduction of archetypal (i.e., Platonic) metaphysics with a vaguely emanationist structure -- that is, bootleg neo-Platonism.

This movement was (and remains) deliberately syncretic because when you identify the primary forms or archetypes with a symbolic and mythic structure (as ALL of the traditions I just outlined did), you get a philosophy and history of religion that makes all traditions into particular instantiations of underlying immutable principles (as all of the traditions I just outlined concluded). Just read _The Oriental Renaissance_ by Schwab, which was praised highly by Mircea Eliade, about whom both Guenon and Evola complained in correspondence that he was a Guenonian Traditionalist who wouldn't cop to the fact and that he was getting credit for Guenon's ideas especially. Eliade agreed; so Guenon, Evola, and Eliade agree that Eliade is a reasonably faithful transposition of Guenonian philosophy, and Eliade embraces Schwab's diagnosis of syncretic, Fruhromantik neo-Platonism as the basis of the Traditionalist worldview, e.g., as its syncretic neo-Platonist framework effortlessly reduces and re-appropriates Hinduism, Islam, Platonism, and everything else to be simply an emanation of its own "central, really real" myths and archetypes. That is why "Hinduism looks like neo-Platonism," a favourite line of Traditionalists -- real similarities between the two systems, perhaps owing to some real underlying Indo-European metaphysics, are in fact bowled over and destroyed by Traditionalism's extremely lazy neo-Platonist framework, which has been called "all-reducing." Traditionalists did not save or invent the method of comparative religions -- they killed it, and laminated its corpse.

tldr: Traditionalism is an esoterically-oriented synthesis of scholarly paradigms that go back to Kant, under which paradigms traditional neo-Platonism, and Christian and especially German mysticism were reinterpreted by the early Romantics. And it's a late-comer to the game at that.

>> No.17432042

>>17424904
>Guenon is to occultism what peterson is to philosophy

fixed

>> No.17432047

i dont know who the fuck this is. maybe read real books??