/lit/ - Literature

>>17378649
What do you guys think about the essayist Thomé Cadieux? I recently read an essay of his titled The results of artificial structures of speech, within the essay he argues that all advances in language since the 20th century have not been organic, but rather imposed by an advanced method of media distribution. He differentiated between pre-modern media and modern media in that, while media of the pre-modern era used to have a clear division between aristocratic and peasant originated media. He says that now there has been a conquest of media in that the aristocratic model of media creation has taken over. He believes that, while this may not be inherently a negative thing, outside of it's context and without a contradictory opposing force aristocratic media has deteriorated.

Hoping for more interest than the last couple of threads.

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>>17378662
I personally find Cadieux to be one of the most entertaining essayists out there. He has a clear mastery of language, which is fitting since language appears to be his favorite thing to talk about.
In that particular essay I can't find myself disagreeing with anything he says, though the topic he's addressing does seem to be sort of low-hanging fruit. It's not too much of a profound revelation, but I do appreciate how skilled Cadieux is in writing out his ideas so they are clear and absolute, which differentiates him from the earlier Bantic philosophers.

>>17378662
Thome is a pseud he got retroactively btfoed by Hibbles’s treatise on crypto meta linguistics.

Just copy some Jordan Peterson thread into this one.

>>17378875
>I personally find Cadieux to be one of the most entertaining essayists out there. He has a clear mastery of language, which is fitting since language appears to be his favorite thing to talk about.
>In that particular essay I can't find myself disagreeing with anything he says, though the topic he's addressing does seem to be sort of low-hanging fruit. It's not too much of a profound revelation, but I do appreciate how skilled Cadieux is in writing out his ideas so they are clear and absolute, which differentiates him from the earlier Bantic philosophers.
He wears his influences on his sleeves but his poetics are unmatched imo.
>>17378884
>crypto meta linguistics
What? I've heard of Hibbles but I've never heard of that term.

>>17378884
Hibble's works are only validated by schizos and feudal-developmentalists, stop coping.

>>17379098
>feudal-developmentalists
Wdym?

>>17378662
I would have to strongly agree. However, since the turn of the 21st and the internet epoch, there has been a new aristocracy forming with differentiated dopamine structures and agony induced self control. Teetering at the edge of hyperspace, they command superhuman flows of data and still touch nuance of each element. These beings will be the saviors of the human race.

>>17378884
Hibbles? More like Babbles, can never tell what the fuck he's saying the silly pseudo-soothsayer.

>>17379262
As beings who have escaped their human contexts, they can no longer be called human. We can't even say more certain that this development is beneficial, we thought having this vast ocean of knowledge would be revolutionary but it's contextless existence has created an expansion of reality in all directions until it has begun to split at it's seams. I've mentioned Feldman Thurnbel before, and he expands on this in An Expansion of the Plane in All Directions: The Path to a Post-Faustian Cartesianism.

>>17379248
the only people who took Hibble seriously is Nugrenstein and the feudevs when he wrote about the division between the aristocratic and peasant originated media.

>>17379418
What are your criticisms of the aristocratic and peasant originated media divide.

>>17379011
How have you not heard of Crypto Meta-linguistics? It’s the in-depth framework which dissects the postfuture twitterbookspeech by attaching neofutureligsms while incorporating prehermentic psycho deconstructivism. If you want to learn more about it I recommend reading his treatise,
Being a Post Bipoc Caucasian on Social Media.

>>17379098
>>17379290
Filtered

>>17379418
What are your criticisms of the aristocratic and peasant originated media divide then?

>>17379442
>Creating empty speech framework just to deconstruct it
Highly cringe

>>17379456
its a larp created by the aristocracy that makes no sense in the real world, just read Giovanni Nero's The new division.

>>17379418
>peasant media
Retroactively refuted by Sneedagoras

>>17379501
>be Giovanni Nero
>be a complete pleb
>get absolutely destroyed by Cadieux
>OoOoOoH you're not valid because you're an aristocraticist
what a cuck

>>17378662
Well, a large chunk of his work has very questionable sources because he bases his aristocratic-peasant model on the writings of the pseudoscientist linguist Gorges Lerrida whose theories have been refuted by Ferdinand Salazar's book Matrix of Language Symbols. Even if the whole theory for Aristocratic vs Peasant media is correct, his understanding of modern language is based on doubtful theory.

>>17379501
>>17379566
Cadieux's whole point is that neither media originally from the information aristocracy nor the information peasantry is superior or inferior, but that the distinction was useful for analysis of soceital information flows. Now especially, with the every expanding mass of contextless information that is the internet, the origin point of information is made an obsolete concept entirely. The conflict between aristocratic media with it's method of transportation via the written word, and peasant media and it's symbolic myth forgery created a system in which a group could create systems of inquiry and analysis that could work frkm the ground up by the origin of information. Alienated from this, we cna only estimate and approximate the trajectory of information.

>>17379308
Er, anon... We arent using dimensions anymore...

>>17378662
>>17379308
>>17379262
>>17379456
what's with the "new aristocracy" though? When has that become a thing? Is that just the new hip marxism?
Like Cadieux, Thurnbel and even Nero (although he was highly critical he still spend most of his time debating neoaristocraticism) wrote hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of papers on aristocratic vs peasant "realities" and "objects", but the clash between classes is not a new idea and has been around since forever.
Are they trying to be post-marxist and create a more universal way of dividing society and frameworks?

>>17378662
that's literally a blantant McLuhan ripoff.
in the book i'm currently writing I dismantle Cadieux's notion regarding distributed media paradigms and prescribe Cervillissiimo's parables as a cranaesthetic substitute to media polarity in the context of Bantic standards.

>>17379418
finally somebody talking about Nugrenstein and the feudevs.

>>17379670
It's less about class analysis than it is about information flow anon, as previously information had a trajectory that could be followed from it's contextual origin to it's many endpoints (though Cadieux believed that this form of information flow didn't really have a conclusion, one of his main concerns over the internet as a context free soace is that it's warping of data points will collapse information travel itself until we can only experience phenomena as a presentation from a extra-chronological object).

>>17379676
Cervillissiimo's neo-Futurism just proves Cadieux's point imo, a previously firmly contextual movement now detached and floating in a sea of originless ideas.

>>17379732
actually you make a good comparison which is specifically noted:

>That is why one who understands something cannot perceive it; that is why another can
never learn anything about a thing. So long as we do not allow this ignorance to be
admitted on our part, but pretend that things have no knowledge (for so far in fact they
possess none), then what does Plato mean when he says: "Since all words come from
God," or else:—"All speech comes forth from some true beginning"? To us there remains
neither reason nor proof [the necessity of which has now disappeared] save through
faith alone,—so much more if nothing ever existed except such arguments—and those
cases would suffice without need of any doubt.

that actually makes sense to me, i should include that in my research. thanks anon

>17379732
actually you make a good comparison which is specifically noted:
>That is why one who understands something cannot perceive it; that is why another can never learn anything about a thing. So long as we do not allow this ignorance to be admitted on our part, but pretend that things have no knowledge (for so far in fact they possess none), then what does Plato mean when he says: "Since all words come from God," or else:—"All speech comes forth from some true beginning"? To us there remains neither reason nor proof [the necessity of which has now disappeared] save through faith alone,—so much more if nothing ever existed except such arguments—and those cases would suffice without need of any doubt.
that actually makes sense to me, i should include that in my research. thanks anon

>>17378662
>if I post about him often enough I will succeed

Cadieux is not going to be the next meme, Cadieuxfag. Just give up already ffs

>>17379788
checked, unfortunately.
the dubs have refuted Cadieux.

>>17379566
>be Cadieux
>not a single sucessfull writen book
>write some shitty larp to please the aristocrats
>instantly gets awarded as an expert about crypto meta linguistics
why are aristocraticists so retarded?

>>17379812
God I hate Nerofags so fucking much

>>17379628
Burghaupt's Cantilever of the Sacerdotal addresses the emergence of expanding information in decreasing context with his theory of autohieraticism. In short whoever manages to successfully lean over these data pools can canalize them into data flows and take control of their downstream consumption, without even interacting with the source. The question then becomes how one reaches this vantage point of suezopanamaniation. This is Burghaupt's famous cantilever: one must go vertical to control the horizontal. Power is not about nodes and networks but about gateways, which combine both network and node into a single processional-locus.

>>17378649
>Neo-Cervillissiimism
>Von Hjarkmann's psychological crantonology with Djront's Nefadism
>the ideal philosophical system
>people disregard it because Cervelissimo went mental in his old age
I hate to break it to you, but you can't hold him off forever. His last written words were "No man, no matter the thickness of the veil he may hath covered his head with, shall hide from my truths! Be not proud in the face of encroaching truth - they shall not be so merciful to the deniers!"

>>17379812
his adaptive narrative on the proletariat counter-uprising of the Canadian west was pretty comprehensive though the ending where he concludes in his usual aristocratic rhetoric was typically dry.

>muh aristocratist/peasant media
I miss the noomarxists. F. Chuck’s In Hypno’s Goblin Market may be so weighed down in allegory that it was better as the chivalric romance it was only pretending to be; but at least he could use the word bourgeois when it’s called for instead of bending perfectly good words out of shape.

>>17379868
extremely based post

>>17378662
How the hell can he look at the history of class relations and think that it's the aristocratic mode that has taken over? What's clearly happened is that a bourgeois mode of language has developed and dissolved both the aristocratic and proletarian organic development of speech with an artifical system that treats speech as commodity. Read Gründer.

>>17379828
Cantilever is fucking kino, just got pic rel;ated from the library.

>>17379986
Holy based... I need to get in on the Kingston University Press 75% off sale...

>>17379676
The Parables are really great.

>>17379812
>be Ulysses V. Hibble
>come from the appalachians, drink moonshine throughout puberty
>give my halfsister herpes, notasinglefuckwasgiventhatday.jpg
>save all my money to study in France
>meet Cadieux
>become best friends
>"hey Ulysses I've got this idea about futurohegelian synthesis of media frameworks"
>mention media distribution and how it affects information trajectories
>"oh cool hehe"
>graduate, still best buds
>then one day
>"oh hey Ulysses I just published my first essay on what I call crypto metalinguistics"
>basically stole my whole concept of context deterioration and information deconstructionism from a decceleractionist viewpoint instead of acceleracionist one
>epilogue is Cadieux jerking off to his half-algerian and half-french-aristocratic ancestry
>meanwhile my cryptic twitter ramblings are read by 20 people at max
is Hibble the most underrated philosopher of our time?

The modern way to look at the world should be Anarcho-ruralism. Calling it anarchy has no meaning but states a point. By going rural you’re essentially cutting ties with the state, therefore turning anarchist instantly. You recognize the modern need for technology and a market with multiple suppliers by being within a nation without subscribing to this nation laws(because law enforcement doesn’t have the logistics to reach the proposed communities). However you’re not constrained by laws. You may think in this context laws are necessary, but we also assume ruralism brings along small communities rather than societies. So instead of written laws we just work with a mutual set of tacit agreements. The plan is also to limit the grow of this communities by promoting emancipation from one's own family.
I’ll keep on building into this ideology as time passes by.

>>17380299
In that case you should read Gorkoniker's 'Self-Transcendence & Self-Immanence.' He pretty much spearheaded the Transcendentalism Revival with that work. You would most likely be interested in that.

>>17380299
>law enforcement doesn’t have the logistics to reach the proposed communities
Imagine thinking rural communities are not just the redundancy-bearing failsafe structures of the breeding program of Feudal immanence. Have you even read Seaman's essays? The entire family-community-me triangle exists to reproduce the organs of Sovereignty. There is no socio-sexual arrangement which does not serve the interests of Sovereignty assembling itself through sexualized identification. Exfamilial paternities exist even more strongly in rural communities because they are closest to the primitive Feudal. You won't need cops where you're going; the vertical eruption of agriculture ensures a hieratic orientation without the need for billy clubs.

>>17380299
checked. see >>17380346
Gorkoniker was all over this.

>>17378662
>>17378884
>Cadieux
>Hibbles
Actually consider rope. This Aristocraticists bullshit is just intellectual masturbation and is completelty and utterly impractical in real life. it's already been tried in the Jeodosia and it's not fucking happening.
>>>/x/

>>17378662
>>17379501
>Aristocraticism
>Hibbles
>That shill fuck Nero
De ardiz retroactively resolved your whole conflict concluding in martial Unificationism you idiots are still stuck in neo bastille dialectics wile philosophy has advanced leaps
>>17380299
Ruralism died with correnaux, you are a larper and probably a warlordist too, industrial Unificationism will triumph over your sophistry.

>>17380711
While*
Shit

Pal-de-Louise is the single greatest Basque neo-Babylonist out there and you cant refute me.
His 1247 proof of enlightened voyaging has not been refuted to this day EVEN WITH the discovery of Easter Island, not even to mention his multilingual translation of Homer's Odyssey from its original Chinese.
Im written my thesis on his 5 volume books about dropping rocks but im afraid my study counselor is too much of a pseud to approve it. ffs

>>17380762
btw him brutally slaughtering a Romanian village does not automatically refute his works

>all these faggots seeing Cadieux say the phrase aristocratic originated media and fucking going brain dead withiut thinking about ehat he meant for a second
Yep lads, the info-collapse is imminent.

>>17379828
This just changes how the flow will be randomized, it'll randomized all the same. I'll stop talking about Cadieux since I've done that plenty already but nah man, his shit is raw.

>>17380762
Neo-Babelics > Neo-Babylonism anon, your theories lf travel coalescence and ur-migration make no sense. How the hell do human epochs always end in a single hyper-populated city? Nonsense. In Guilt and Civilization Pugliesi goes into how Babylon's story can be understood to be a guilt of metropolitan communication failure and nothing more, more so Icarus than Innsmouth.

>>17381133
>Taking the word of a literal voodoo cultist who believes the moon is made of salted ice
Opinion discarded you filthy guilteraniac

>>17381133
>Neo-Babelics > Neo-Babylonism

What are you trying to accomplish here anon? The two aren't even related in any way.

I have no idea what freontology or the linguistics of jacquedom is. I know I'm a brainlet, but can someone help me here?

>>17381215
They have a similar name and I'm memeing.
>>17381173
Adriano Pugliesi was a man of science, he did not believe any such nonsense. Become, non-reader. Read On the Anti-Form.

>>17380711
>you are a larper and probably a warlordist too
There's unironically nothing wrong with warlordism. Take the neo-Ghengist pill.

>>17381133
Didn’t Michael Menelach completely BTFO this guy with his Anarcho-Bicameralism theory? I read Civilization’s Ouroboros and it shot Pugliesi’s theories full of holes

>>17381287
Menelach is actually one of the few critics of Pugliesi I respect, Civilization’s Ouroboros is definitely an interesting read. I think his argument that civilizational mythmaking loses it's reason for existing by design is interesting, and Menelach writes a lot about information loss, but ultimately I don't think that really undermines Pugliesi's core thesis or most of his points. I explained Civ&Guilt in more detail a good few threads ago, might fish around for that thread.

>>17381278
>muh the only way to escape the instrumental logical of modern civilization is riding a horse in Uzbekistan

>>17381333
But Pugliesi’s theories on the nature of society’s ability to process information are directly refuted by Menelach’s evidence of stop-start cycles in the literacy of ancient civilizations. Also I think all the substandard copper being discovered at Babylonian sites further proves Menelach’s theories about information loss in such societies.

>>17381451
Pugliesi is more so concerned with the ability to become literate, and less so with what periods literacy arose or fell. He believes we trend towards literacy by way of myth forging.

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>>17378649
Where do I start with Pugliesi?

Amirault's anti-craniology is grounbreaking and needs more attention. No doubt it is certainly unconventional but it is the most important concept to come out of the Metaconfucian hyperanalytic tradition since the mental fusion of KKKripke, cyberHegel, and Steampunk Pyyrho.

>>17383715
(laying it on slightly too thick, most of the stuff hear could possibly be seen as legitimate things. Appreciate nontheless)

>>17383895
I like Steampunk Pyrrho it's just a shame all we have of him is summaries by Cast-Iron Claudinius. But the notion that we can't actually know for certain whether our locomotion is due to steam or electricity is pretty well-argued. The hydraulic basis of the human body makes sending electrical signals across the nervous system an obvious problem, so us being made up of miniscule steam engines is just as possible, antinomically and anatomically.

>>17383158
Civilization and Guilt imo, then On the Anti-Form

>writing actual /hyperlit/ makes the work ‘real’
>work can no longer be discussed because it exists

>>17384806
Kek

>>17384183
Cast-Iron Claudius was actually a composite as well, so it's uncertaon which oassages about Steampunk Pyyrho. But, the descriptions do fit with a description about a Greek homunculus eritten by E-Niggarjuna in his work "E-SUNYATA AINT NO THANG," Which remains the greatest exploration on the ontology of deleted files to date.

>>17381270
stop memeing then, we're trying to lead a real discussion here.. fucking decivilizationist, start with Kaczynski before you try Pugliesi

>>17385728
>Kaczynski instead of Heidegger or Ellul
I scoff in your general direction

unironically best thread on /lit/ rn

>>17385764
>thinking Heidegger and Ellul are more entry-level than Kaczynski
lmao full retard alert. I bet you read the Greeks before the Sneeds right?

>>17385950
I wasn't saying they were more entry level, I was saying they have value, unlike Memezynski.

>>17385950
Also Esoteric Sneedism was refuted by Esoteric Retardism, read the Nitwit mystical sages dummy.

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>>17383895
(hey man, /hyperlit/ is supposed to be about absolute freedom, the wackier and more out-there the better, though it does make it harder to reply in some cases)

>>17378649
Why does no one ever want to discuss Alfred Maryanne with me?

>>17386396
I don't know who he is anon, I'd love to hear about him.

>>17378649
Thoughts on Thomas De Selby, bros? Some of his ideas seem pretty implausible (the universe is DEFINITELY not sausage-shaped), but he's had some strokes of genius in his career. I especially like the idea that the darkness of night is the result of industrial pollution, and that the only reason we sleep at night is because we asphyxiate ourselves on the smog.

>>17386459
He was a philosopher who wrote the Oneiric Deja Vu, which specifically predicted his own death, which at first doesn't seem to strange, lots of people know they're going to die of illness and write their own sort of eulogies. However, it gets strange that Maryanne did not just die of some illness, he was shot in his own bed by fanaticists while he was studying in Northern Africa.

>>17386546
His biological function historicism is interesting, the idea that our cogitative abilities change with historical epochs isn't too unique but he definitely is one of the best rhetoricians in favor of it.
>>17386587
Ah I actually have hard about him, all of his rivals died mysteriously didn't they? I've heard he was a shaman of some sort. Can you elaborate on the subject matter of Oneiric Deja Vu, I think I'm getting a feeling that I can discuss it if I know a little more about it.

>>17386546
I think you've got it bass-ackwards. Who are you to say the universe isn't sausage-shaped? I think that's one of the best theories he's had.
Those other ideas you mentioned are just fucking bunk. People slept and the nighttime was dark for thousands of years before the industrial revolution. It's true that in industrial areas it is darker at night than in rural areas, but that's only cause of the light pollution, and any fifth grader could tell you that.

>>17386612
Give me the down low on sausage ontology anon

Cultural marxism is destroying western society from within. Even though what I mean by this term has nothing do do with marxism, that word scares people so that's why I keep using it. The idea that minorities should have rights or that there is anything bad about western history or how it operates is obviously a ploy to overthrow society. Never mind that not a single word about the "means of production" or "class struggle" is spoken of by these lefties or in fact even insist that's irrelevant and to be ignored. It's marxism! Boo!

>>17378649
>ITT we pretend to argue about an ideology and philosopher/s that don't exist.
>Jesus thread

>>17386805
>>17386829
C'mon guys derail someone else's thread, only frens are allowed

>>17386805
2015 called and wants its talking points back
>>17386829
Ditto for 2003
>>17386891
Based

>>17386941
"Frens shall inherent the earth!" ~ Cyberkant

>>17386954
Maybe for our next work we should write 'The Philosophy of Frens'

>>17386954
Have you read Frensen's Capitalism and Camaraderie? He argues that the emergence of a 'best friend' as an interpersonal relationship is due to the overcoding of class-based solidarities by commodity fetish. Everyone should be friends according to Frensen, and camaraderie is an intensity of friendship rather than a declension from best friends to acquaintances. These intensities are nonlinear and defined in terms of Spinozist affects and bodies. He also borrows significantly from the vocabulary of Charles Van der Sneed's magnum opus, The Germination and Cultivation of Platonic Life.

>>17386985
Frenological Ontology by Nerfud Frensen.
>>17387011
I'm more of a fan of Esoteric Retardism and I am a fan of Esoteric Sneedism but I respect it. Frensen's analysis of fren enclosure is very interesting, the anti-fren forces of r00d dualism and meanie linguistics shall not prevail.

>>17386805
extremely on topic, actually

Frenomenology. The Fren In Itself.

>>17387124
Seaman had an early essay about frenoumena but it was a bit underdeveloped and I didn't really see what the movie Gladiator or Sovereignty had to do with friendship-in-itself. He may have been put up to it by a colleague.

>>17387011
Frensen is a fucking retard and a cuck.
Chads read Ottomery instead

>>17387145
Okay I get that it's a meme but he doesn't mention Gladiator THAT often. Also fren enclosure interested Seaman as it's part of the sexual organization pattern of feudal linage creation. The sovereignty lineation process is sexual in nature but Seaman says that since sovereignty is in a a large part a sexual process, all human relations are structured around it. to Seaman, frenonomics and fren enclosure is an anti-feudal process that could possibly challenge feudal sexual lineation, as actual enclosure destroyed the common land of the peasanty. While he sees such a thing as being positive, he does posit that fren enclosure isn't necessary to reach that goal.

>>17387380
There is definitely an anti-Feudal current to fren enclosure, for the simple reason that friends don't impregnate lineages into one another to retroactively perpetuate Sovereignty. It may be the only relationship which produces nothing in terms of exfamilial paternity. According to Frensen, friendships are fraternalized, horizontal, and planar, so this would be quite perpendicular to Seaman's feudalizing lineation-husbandry.

>>17387551
Seaman's paleo-Spinozan dialectic projects that a collapse of sovereignty creation can lead to other methods of seperative sexual organization though, so he can be reconciled with Frensen.

>>17386612
>People slept and the nighttime was dark for thousands of years before the industrial revolution
This is factually untrue. Before industry there was no such thing as night. People just laid down and shut their eyes, no one actually slept and there is plenty of genetic evidence to back this up. That's where the expression "to rest ones eyes" come from. It's not figurative language, they are still awake, its only their eyes that need to rest. But because of all the smog and fumes in the air, people are actually suffocating and passing out.

>>17378649
What is the difference between Fren and Apu?

>>17387575
Seaman and Frensen are both Spinozists at heart so that makes sense. There really needs to be some proper survey done of paleo-Spinozism. It's probably the only school genuinely resisting hyper-Thomism.

>There is definitely an anti-Feudal current to fren enclosure, for the simple reason that friends don't impregnate lineages into one another to retroactively perpetuate Sovereignty. It may be the only relationship which produces nothing in terms of exfamilial paternity. According to Frensen, friendships are fraternalized, horizontal, and planar, so this would be quite perpendicular to Seaman's feudalizing lineation-husbandry.

>>17387894
>hyper-Thomism
I shudder at the name.
>>17387734
Apu is but a snapshot, fren is the whole collection of snapshots in motions, backwards and forwards.
>17387906
The anti-fren forces of r00d dualism shall not receive a single (you) from me. Tfu tfu.

>>17387906
Typical rudeposter. Frensen thought rudeness was actual provident for establishing friendly relations among those who were mistreated anyway.

John Laubauns new work about sophistians is pretty neat,anyone here read it yet?

>>17387965
I dunno I get the feeling Laubaun just wants to be a modern Plato and rek sophism epic style. Gorgias is more complex than Laubaun gives him credit for, he isn't saying that rhetoric can justify genuinely anything, he is saying that within social relations it makes sense that Helen is swayed by rhetoric. He is conveying the power of rhetoric, not it's value.

>>17387940
>hypertomism
>I shudder at the name
seethe more, we all know that where the spiritual dialectic invariably leads.

>refuted Ingrīda and Vipin
>literally proved Hemingr right about everything
>single handedly brought fascism back
honestly if you haven't read everything by based Eižens you're not even white as far as I'm concerned

For me, it's Gregory Berrycone.

>>17383715
If you enjoyed Amirault's works, be sure to check out Dick Lamb, he works on similar grounds + boosted autism levels.
Entry level: Farted Sneedmena

>>17388006
>Gorgias
>Complex
Lmao next your going to say Chamon is your favorite philosopher

>>17388352
Chamon is alright

>>17388201
Why do northern european names sounds so retarded? “Vipin” lmao

>>17386396
Maryanne is incredible.
Lots of really good stuff coming out from his deep cuts now.

>>17386954
I think the frenpill oughta be supportive of drinking (at acceptable levels) there's nothing quite like cracking a Guinness with the boys at the ski mountain, or cheersing with a couple coronas at the cook-out.

>>17388235
>he's a logical positivist and yet he thinks intuition creates a physical essence that flows outside of the individual
Bruh

>>17378649
extremely based thread

>he hasn't synthesized nelson's physics of the soul with goldberry's anti-topos of the subject yet

I swear I'm the only fucking dude who reads here

>>17388415
chamon is brilliant and only roeper and his fucking stooges hate him. you're not a verisimilist, are you anon?

>>17388476
What do you think about coronavirus being an anti-fren hyperfiction designed to spread rudeness among otherwise gentle posters?

/lit/ is a desert

>>17388779
I'm not sure what you mean fren?

>>17389810
People are forced to stay home to prevent the spread of the virus but this also prevents people from making frens. Isolation also makes many people anti-social, which will be a barrier to making frens in the future.

If we put all together, that the school-boy rehearses, that the rabble relates, and that the philosopher demonstrates about spirits, this would seem to constitute no small part of our knowledge. Nevertheless, I dare assert that all these gossip could be placed in a most awkward embarrassment, if it should occur to somebody to insist upon the question, just what kind of a thing that is about which these people think they understand so much. The methodical talk of universities is often simply an agreement to beg a question which is difficult to solve, by the variable meaning of words, which the most obvious pseuds profess. For we seldom hear at academies the comfortable and ofttimes reasonable “I do not know.” Certain newer philosophers, as they like to be called, overcome this question easily. A spirit, they say, is a being possessed of reason. Then it is no miracle to see spirits; for he who sees men, sees beings possessing reason. But, they continue, this being in man, possessing reason, is only a part of man, and this part, the animating part, is a spirit. Very well then. Before you prove that only a spiritual being can have reason, take care that first of all I understand what kind of conception I must have of a spiritual being. Self-deception in this matter, while large enough to be seen with eyes half-open, is moreover of very evident origin. For, later on and in old age, we are sure to know nothing of that which was very well known to us at an early date, as children, and the man of thoroughness finally becomes at best a sophist in regard to his youthful delusions. Let us all reflect the reflections of the great thinker, Kanthegelschopenneitezche.

i want everyone who contributes to these threads to consider sitting down and rambling for a few thousand words and then self publishing what you wrote on Amazon Kindle Direct Publishing (or any easy af selfpublishing service) and contributing it the greater /hyperlit/ canon.
if we all took part and worked at it independently, together we could build our own literary universe and one of the greatest memes of the 21st century.

Truly, the anarcho-shepherd is a man who lives on the brink, who tames but does not dominate nature, he who is above the world but part of it, he who subjugates the earth but does not owe it anything in return. What can the herd hope for but the care of the Shepherd?

>>17388415
>>17388778
>Be Chamon
>Have crippling autism so the only way you can explain your philosophy is by singing it in concerto
>Solve the meta-ethic Uyghur conundrum in an act.
>Disporve Baltan, Heebs and Zivizov for the proto-sino shills they are
>Synthesize the neo-transcendentalist humouristic framework with Seaman's paleo-Spinozan dialectic solving the Karakas issue.
>All in a 3-hour concerto
Post-Heebsians will never recover.

>>17379828
This is such shit anon. Burghaupt and those other turtleneck pedophiles at the Sorbonne weren't able to formulate any real objections to Cadieux, so they just did their usual bullshit of making up an entirely new and gay terminology to talk around Cadieux's concepts. Even Nero recognizes this. There's a reason feudevs don't even mention Burghaupt, Flaubentle, Gern, or especially Carol Ebenezer Salazar, who is so gay i regret mentioning

>>17391331
cringe,

is this lit’s new Guenon?
all you got to do is greentext
>disproves x, y, and z
without saying how and somehow you are a god? once you fags get a catchy meme like
>Uyghur Bogyar recondition your ethics-dar (radar)
or some shit you will be shitting it on each others face in a jerk off thread for WEEKS, before you get board and move on to the Finnish school like most meta-steppe fags.

god lit is dead and you autists are dancing on its corpse.

Im doing it, im finally leaving forchan
>inb4 see you next week anon.

>>17391357
Though i will admit Gerhardt Flaubentle at least seems like he's having fun. While the other turtlenecks are stuck writing tomes that only the must tryhard grad students will ever finish, Flaubentle gets away with publishing one 50pg meme book of aphorisms every 10 years. Gotta respect a guy who has written more op-ed defences of his surprisingly based supervisory "weekend tutoring session" scandals than he has philosophy in the last decade

>>17391357
Burghaupt was notorious for his affairs with older women so I am not sure where you are getting that from. He prefered teaching night classes especially, since the students skewed older.

>>17391480
>be Burghaupt
>write impenetrable tomes that are hailed as as ushering in a 'copernican revolution' in contextual linguistic vector dynamics, but that nobody understands
> use weird ill-understood fame to write popular commentary column that's just an excuse to brag about his 'active social life' nailing older french legal secretaries
> somehow attract the following of dozens of weird 70s perverts who attempt to coalesce around you to create a continental reaction to the then-dominant 'feudal developmentalist' school of CLVD, but just end up being pedos and dilletantes
> Flaubentle shows up, writes two tiny books, and becomes most popular writer in this school despite barely participating and openly hating every other Burghaupt school adherent and endlessly critiquing their shit while boning as much as Burghaupt

Gotta respect it, i guess

>>17380216
This Cadieux is a hack

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>>17391369
Imagine being filtered by Chamon this fucking hard. The meta-ethic Uyghur conundrum was in fact solved by him, here's an excerpt.
>"If we take the situation at face value, the Uyghur man eating mutton in front of his flock is indeed performing cruelty in order to define himself as a overseer of their lives and deaths. In the comparison however, between this and sacrifice to a higher power being a similar ritual between God and his creation, one must understand that the assumption made that sacrificial rituals create an essence of moral deeds that is transported to God. In reality, the sacrificial ritual is not the flock definition itself as the flock of God, it is a wholly self contained issue. We cannot say therefore that such rituals are distancing us from our own humanity as such."
AND he sung it. Can't outdo the Greek master Chamon.

>>17390870
>anti-Heideggerian anarchism

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>>17392569
Lmao imagine shilling that eunuch when Patigül Balasaghuni destroyed that nigga millenia ago:

>The goal of the ritual is to transcend and therefore ultimately annihilate the human. The human is a part of nature, yet he insists he is not; therefore, his soul, which is not human, begs Tengri through ritual to be cleansed of this hubrice. Human sacrifice is therefore the most logical step forward. We the Uyhgers are in flux because we are human. I propose that every meta-ethnicity faces this flux. Chamon's people most of all.

She then went on to call Greeks small sicken faggots and noted how retarded their gods were.

>>17392856
>The flock undoes itself with the ritual
Once again, the assumption here is that the ritual creates a moral essence, she hasn't proved this, neither has anyone else.

Kilmoth's "georgist-deaccelerationism" is pretty good. Flawed in some chapters (especially 'On lightweight citizens'), but otherwise worth checking out.

>>17392873
Wdym? She did so,on the next page.
>I insist that the Ritual of Tengri Allah creates moral essence by definition. This can be easily proven. First of all, the definition of a ritual is a human activity in which a medium is used to transfer a spirit. Let us call this “spirit medium” as human being. And the essence of human being is that he is a medium, which in the whole life of people involves itself in the process of time to time. In this time of mankind existence of man is then traced back from his childhood to the future time of his departure. The eternal balance, which connects man to the process of time, is constituted by his human essence. By definition, the essence of human beings is morality, and the essence of the world is morality. According to the “ideal perception” it is necessary to believe in the Religions of Tengri Allah and Shamkhors. It is necessary to believe that every created being is a spiritual energy, which connects him to the purpose of creation. However, this belief is in contradiction with the knowledge of the universe. In the essence of the universe existence of moral, and consciousness-satisfying energy is stated, but it does not exist in one way.

The universe is meaningless in terms of its materialistic definition. It is a complicated process of the process of the continuous exchange of energy, which occurs between the cosmic center and the planets of the solar system. According to the classical formula, materialism and spiritualism, for the same God and moral can exist together. So, it is necessary to believe that in the world, moral, and ethical energy is not the human soul, but in its essence. By “essence” I mean some permanent moral law, which unites humanity into a single object, and through the morally and ethically intelligent man, the universe appears as a whole. According to the fundamental definition of spirituality, the essence of man is moral law, and it is not in contradiction with the cosmos. I.e. the moral law, which creates the universe in a certain way, is not the brain of the moral consciousness of the creation.

>>17392908
Pales in comparison to Mkheidze's Goergian neogeorgian georgist multidirectional accelerationism

>>17392936
>First of all, the definition of a ritual is a human activity in which a medium is used to transfer a spirit
Is it though? Another assumption with no basis in reality. This is definitely how it may have been thought to work, but there is no proof of the spirit within the internal logic of the sacrificial ritual.
>And the essence of human being is that he is a medium, which in the whole life of people involves itself in the process of time to time. In this time of mankind existence of man is then traced back from his childhood to the future time of his departure.
Honestly this more so disproves the existence of any such essence, all this proves is that rituals aren't ahistorical and are subsumed by causality.
>The eternal balance, which connects man to the process of time, is constituted by his human essence.
What does this even mean?
>By definition, the essence of human beings is morality, and the essence of the world is morality. According to the “ideal perception” it is necessary to believe in the Religions of Tengri Allah and Shamkhors. It is necessary to believe that every created being is a spiritual energy, which connects him to the purpose of creation. However, this belief is in contradiction with the knowledge of the universe. In the essence of the universe existence of moral, and consciousness-satisfying energy is stated, but it does not exist in one way.
Once again, a confusion of casuality with essence, and a confusion with transcendence and deterministic machine operation.
>The universe is meaningless in terms of its materialistic definition.
It isn't "either there is an essence to rituals or materialism is correct", you are arguing with an individual who doesn't exist except in straw form.

>>17392964
(If this bored is still up later today i'll try to defend this largely ai-generated take, its pretty late)

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weird thread is weird

>>17378662
Cadieux is literally a nazi and used to hang with nazi skinheads in the 80s

though he is correct in the new media vs old media, his later writings are really out there

>>17393695
excuse me that's Georges Cadieux you're thinking of, Thomé was famously critical of anti-Semitism in France.

>>17393726
You are aware that Thomé was part of the progressive skinhead school of thought, correct? he may have been critical of Anti-Semitism, but he was most definitely a Nazi, just a pro-Jewish Nazi.

>>17393775
Once again, wrong Cadieux.

>>17393695
>>17393775
Now I know I've said in the past that /hyperlit/ is supposed to mean absolute freedom, but it's also supposed to be a place for frens. And anti-semitism is not frenly, fren.

>>17394060
(I mean discussing unsavory things an author believes is fine, I'm not angry at that anon or something lol)

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>>17378904
absolutely the best post itt

>>17386829
It is inconceivable how anyone could take Mariposa's harebrained essays in support of Esoteric Gaytheism seriously after she shared her soiled panties on the forums of blackpeoplemeet.com. Even before that most people recognized anti-Perennialism as an empty, intellectually dishonest current created by a few hacks. It only ever became accepted (mostly among laymen) because of the post 7/11 heissgeit in which everyone ridiculed 80 IQ fundalementalist Hexacostalist pastors who insisted that pee is stored in the balls and that we are living on the inside of the Earth.

>>17380216
>basically stole my whole concept of context deterioration and information deconstructionism from a decceleractionist viewpoint instead of acceleracionist one
whoops seems like then it's original thought instead :)

>>17390870
Try taming the sodium molecules in your urea. Try not giving your body back to the universe. Your inane run-on sentences don't pass the Beldman Test and your shit's retarded. Never post on /lit/ again.

>>17395737
>Beldman Test

>tfw reading bolgieri's prenatal dynamics

definitely the blackest blackpill since postoff

>>17395812
>reading any mathematically based philosophy when Joseph Amirault refuted all harmonic philosophy as internally contradictory in his seminal work The Geography of Deeds
>ESPECIALLY that hack Bolgieri

>>17378649
Skub.

>>17395812
I'm pretty sure that book was actually generated by a Noam Chompsky nonsense generator. Read the first sentence in the fifth chapter and tell me if you honestly understand a single clause in that clusterfuck of a sentence.

>>17395845
lol he literally proves the concept of mathematical damnation you fucking retard. i know the tendency is to dismiss him as some meme philosopher because of his popular writings a la Ellison but everyone had to ham it up for the Nardesians then. amirault and the greco-positivists are fucking cringe

>>17395871
filtered. can't hold the bolg

>>17386587
Read the so-called "Underground Field Mouse Manifesto" they put out in Paris right after the fact and you'll find clear evidence that Maryanne paid for his own execution to further his own politics goals. But jokes on him. To this day, irreality studies have died with him.

>>17395921
>serially molested young Arab children and masturbated inside the mosque during the height of the Egyptian Revolution
The idea that he assassinated himself is just a conspiracy put forth by Jean-Jacques Rouvier under a pseudonym to discredit Maryanne's prophetic ability after he revealed that Rouvier was having an incestuous relationship with his sister.

>>17396079
Ignorant clod of dirt and shit that you are, don't speak of things you know nothing about. Compare Oneiric Deja Vu's future for the three continents with the Pan-African sentiment of the Tenrecs, who supposedly killed him just because. Although their treatment of Europe is different, they exactly espouse the same so-called "future" and ideological framework despite that fact that not a single Tenrec has been proven to have the ability to read or write. Incidentally, a little odd that such a revolutionary forces with such a high degree of organization in foreign territory would immediately disband after killing some minor drunkard who wrote a few books in a language they supposedly can't even understand. Also mighty curious that this same group somehow had a connection with Rêves En Mouvement.

Read chapters three and seventeen respectively. Not only are the ideologies exactly different yet still agreeing to the future, but even some classic Maryannisms slip past and into the text. Who is the only person you know that has ever formulated the phrase "not towards the afternoon nap do I recline my aspirations, not wards the evening nap do I recline my fears."

Anybody know anything about Parrie? I’ve been thinking about reading his De Meretrix but don’t know what to expect.

>>17396211
a more acerbic and spiritually intense montaigne. late ducard without the philo-parnicism

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>>17396079
>>serially molested young Arab children and masturbated inside the mosque during the height of the Egyptian Revolution

What is this fucking blasphemy? Explain yourself

>>17396211
Parrie's writing style is certainly unique, but you'll get used to it within a few chapters or so. De Meretrix itself would build the foundations for modern bio-nihilism and some elements of harmonic synthetics, so be aware of that. If you can get past what it's become it's definitely worth the read. His Jam Jar Hypothetical is also quite compelling.

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>>17397775
>Jam Jar Hypothetical
Never heard of it, can I get a rundown?

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>>17396211
>De Meretrix
>Parrie
Pseudo-Parrie, more like. You got filtered by '22 Antemodernists, kid. Start with Baptiste and mind his Liber Orchidaceae

>>17399153
>Liber Orchidaceae
My fucking eyes. How can you seriously believe we perceive the thing in itself but we cannot perceive phenomenon?

>>17399168
>he hasn't read odell

>>17399232
Okay faggot enlighten me

Feels nice to know there are so many knowledgeable people on /lit/, some of whome are actually willing to share their knowledge instead of just shitposting. This thread inspired me to pursue a masters degree.

>>17399168
>My fucking eyes. How can you seriously believe we perceive the thing in itself but we cannot perceive phenomenon?
...Through the Transubstantiation of the Phenomenalism of the Ephemeral, you fucking retard. How are you getting filtered THIS FUCKING HARD by some opium smoking neo-Cathar from Andorra, who got kicked out of the Aurelian Society (Russian branch) for insisting that skippers weren't lepidopterans because they were "too chewy"?

>>17399247
If this is knowledgeable to you I bet that pseud Gottling’s anthrodimetrics theory really knocked your socks off, huh? Fucking retards in academia today

>>17399263
Anti-fren posting is punishable by getting scoffed and tooted at

>>17399236
odell laid the groundwork for baptiste. you know how baptiste says objectivity is an epiphenomenon of the subject? and everyone rashes on him for being a pseudo-kantian because of it? yeah nah, odell's got the better formula: the only thing i can be sure of is the consistency of the reality in front of me. inwardness is the principle of illusion. i perceive noumena directly, but when i look into myself, i see only phenomena. only the man who refuses who the pull of introspection can be called a sage.

lmao honestly if odell hasn't clicked for you why are you talking shit about baptiste? at least read the ethics of vision ffs

>>17399254
>Transubstantiation of the Phenomenalism of the Ephemeral
You use these words as if they have a meaning. I bet you don't even know what they mean.

>>17378649
What do you'll think of the epistemology proposed in Brosep DeSpanks' "mgtow for the weary poop sock", I think it presupposes an ontology utterly beyond the average mind and I can't even begin to get my head around it. Are the goblin lords merely analogous to turbo quarks or do they really churn the primordial butter themselves? If so where did they get the sticks?

>>17399268
>the only thing i can be sure of is the consistency of the reality in front of me. inwardness is the principle of illusion. i perceive noumena directly, but when i look into myself, i see only phenomena. only the man who refuses who the pull of introspection can be called a sage.
>lmao honestly if odell hasn't clicked for you why are you talking shit about baptiste? at least read the ethics of vision ffs
You know what anon, that's a fair point, this argument is more interesting and sound than I had anticipated it to be. I'll shut up and read.

>>17399270
>using words
>using
They aren't whores, anon.
Fuck off with that pretelelogicalism
Words use us.

>>17399325
Words have an origin, the origin is social relations. Language may use us, words are structures that language flows through. Read DeMelmoius.

>>17395737
Sounds like someone's flock was eaten by wolves.

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>>17395921
>Underground Field Mouse Manifesto
Unironically the only good thing about that text is it's title, it's dogshit and I've never read soemthign with such shitty sourcing.

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>>17378662
retard you misinterpreted the whole meaning of the text. did you not read the campion piece with it in which he explained he was being ironic

>>17403104
Bruh