/lit/ - Literature

>>17378484
>Music is as immediate an objectification and copy of the whole will as the world itself is, indeed as the Ideas are, the multiplied phenomenon of which constitutes the world of individual things. Therefore music is by no means like the other arts, namely a copy of the Ideas, but a copy of the will itself, the objectivity of which are the Ideas. For this reason the effect of music is so very much more powerful and penetrating than is that of the other arts, for these others speak only of the shadow, but music of the essence.

>>17378497
/thread

>>17378484
Literature is not about emotions you absolute nigger

>>17378510
It's about people feeling intellectually superior, right?

>>17378520
>being*
yes

>>17378520
>Music is the purest form of art, the best way to convey emotions

>>17378497
>the effect of music is so very much more powerful and penetrating than is that of the other arts

I was a successful indie musician in my 20s. Made enough to live, at least. I can tell you this: people who nothing about composition say stuff like this, but it isn't true. Music seems to dazzle non-musicians but there is no secret magic to it. I grimace when I read Nietzsche or Cioran talking about music. They sound like fools. Music is a bag of tricks and image is a huge selling point. Sorry. But enjoy it.

>>17378595
Silence

>>17378595
I don't know. Music seems to be the only art form that really touches me. It's the only art form where I can find refuge and support when I'm feeling like shit. And it's the only art form that I can actively share and experience with other people. I like literature but it never touches me like music.

>>17378599
It's sort of humbling, in a way. Even the greats are looking for some meaning in art. The less we understand about the art, the easier we are memorized by it. I think Cioran days this explicitly but then in the same book praises music. Ironic I guess.
If you believe music is connecting you to something deeper and unknowable you're naive. If you don't believe me, start making music. It's not as hard as they say

>>17378617
All of that will go away with age. What type getting from music is something more than the art itself. You get community, tribal identity, sublimation. Most people unknowingly collect "favorite artists" that either compliment or enhance the listener's social status/tribal affiliations/class. They'll deny it but it's there. There is also the sexual aspect.
But when you're old, at some point, you don't be able to connect with new music like you do now. In time music becomes a nostalgia trip almost entirely. Old people relive their glory days through it. Then it's not really about the music but the nostalgia

>>17378617
Whenever someone says shit like this they always have a terrible taste in music. If you are too stupid to be "touched" by written words you are also too stupid to enjoy meaningful music.

>>17378673
>Whenever someone says shit like this they always have a terrible taste in music. If you are too stupid to be "touched" by written words you are also too stupid to enjoy meaningful music.

>>17378702
I bet you won't post your top five artists

>>17378673
>meaningful music
Imagine saying this right after calling someone dumb. incredible

I don't see the point of listening or making music when you have furry porn. Furry pornography is the purest form of art, the best way to convey emotions. Nobody will listen to your songs but there is a chance that people will actually like your drawing of some kind of human shaped badger-fox getting dicked down by a rhinoceros and resonate with it. Why is music so inferior to anthro porn?

>>17378725
Post top five artists, faggot. Prove me wrong

>>17378738
lol this

>>17378741
I'm the anon saying music is meaningless, who used to be in a band. I'm not posting my favorites for you. What In saying is that you're as wrong we the person you're insulting. But you're also more rude, so you lose

>>17378738
Wouldn't even argue with that.

>>17378671
> You get community, tribal identity, sublimation. Most people unknowingly collect "favorite artists" that either compliment or enhance the listener's social status/tribal affiliations/class. They'll deny it but it's there. There is also the sexual aspect.
I know virtually no-one with whom I share a music taste, and none of my close friends have a similar taste to me really. My music taste isn't that cool or trendy and hasn't ever gotten me laid or anything. So I wholly reject your suggestion that music taste is just aesthetic posturing.

>>17378595
wow, an "indie" musician who didn't understand music
maybe try some other genres

>>17378617
I'd say it touches me more often than other art forms
still, I experience the same with movies and books, just not as often

>>17378784
The internet brings us the age of meta posturing, posturing to no one but ourselves, posturing without even knowing we are. You post about your taste on 4chan, then deny that you use your taste to posture. I wish I could give you a hug, you depraved, isolated incel.

>>17378825
Meds, schizo, you know the deal.

>>17378852

>>17378484
music was BTFO by Plato and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

>>17378484
Does anyone still have sneering bloom face guy and his stack of books, with the accompanying text going on about the supreme pleasures of literature, while anyone can hum a few bars of Mozart while eating their spaghettios?

>>17378771
Oh, even better, a guy writes shitty music instead of just listening to it. You know the truth about music, creator of consumer products.

>>17378933
>Books aren't consumer products

>>17378595
I'd rather trust Beethoven, Wagner, Mahler etc. on music rather than some 21st century indie musician with awful nihilist sentiments, just as I won't ask Rupi Kaur instead of Goethe on the meaning of poetry. Why does it matter if it*s just "a bag of tricks" if at the end it ends up being able to express what it does. The thing that Schopenhauer is talking about isn't supposed to mean that you as a shitty song writer are a divine creator, but that the nature of music itself is inherently like the will. Not being able to hold serious and passionate believes about the nature of reality doesn't make you more mature, it just proves Nietzsche's point about the nihilism of the last man.

Why are you guys falling for such shitty, shitty bait?

>>17378944
>Rupi Kaur and Lana Del Ray are the same as Plato and Beethoven!

>>17379005
Yes. Beethoven as well as Mozart are essentially consumer products. No one cares what is behind the music, how much the artists have suffered for their art, or if there is a deeper meaning behind the music. Millions of artists make money by covering or sampling Beethoven or Mozart for people who are looking for light music. Beethoven and Mozart are music for consoomers.

The only genre of music that hasn't degenerated into a consumer product today is Noise (Merzbow, Masonna, etc).

>>17379142
>noise
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you are retarded. goodbye from this slide thread. I've spat out the bait.

>>17379207
>he got filtered
fucking pleb enjoy your fucking consoomer music and be a slave to (((them)))

>>17378825
So true. I resent my friends for complimenting each other's Spotify playlists. I intentionally make my playlists private because I want music to be personal and it feels phoney to display my musical preferences to the world. But even the act of creating a playlist is an effort by my ego to identify with a collection of "artists" and "cultural aesthetics." I also recognize an instinct to collect and hoard music, which has been magnified by the digital commodification of music.

That being said, I think there is something wholesome about sharing music with friends and family. Maybe we can explain ourselves through our musical preferences in a way that we otherwise cannot.

This has been stuck in my head for a week: https://youtu.be/qvemVU1PLBA

>>17378671
For most people thats true. I grew up in a dadrock household and only listened to rock, folk and country until I burned out on music completely in my mid 20s. After several years of not really listening to any music I discovered classical and have been as obsessed with it as I was over rock bands when I was a teenager. People seem to get to a point in their 20s or 30s where they stop giving a shit about learning anything new and just stick with what they know, but for better or worse Ive never been able to stick with any one hobby for very long so I'm always on the lookout for novel stimulation and probably always will be.

>>17378484
absolute dipshit

>>17379142
>Beethoven
>light music
>I only listen to the finest Noise and I DONT do it to be edgy
oh come on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFTTaQyGnvQ

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