/lit/ - Literature

This is going to be your last year young, after this you are officially old.

>>17328452
>people now have quarter-of-life crisis
I wonder if in 20 years people will be talking about the 7-year-old crisis.

>>17328460
and I can spent it locked indoors because of this fucking virus

>>17328452
Idk what it is about that age. Quarter life crisis etc but your brain finishes developing then. In my experience at that age ppl spend 3-4 years coming to cope w the fact that they're older and why they're living etc and about the age of 29 30 you build up a good cope against it. I think pewdiepie went through same thing and I think that's normal but I haven't seen literature on it. I do know quarter life crisis is real though but yeah once you hit 25-26 the worst part ends and you're biologically okay. Before that high chance of a major mental illness relative to other ages.

>>17328475
It has to do w biology. It's normal and how our culture is set up. Idk what happens at mid life except your body deteriorating

>>17328475
>>17328507
For millions of years, even as humans, we never lived past the age of 21

>>17328499
tfw went the mental route.

>>17328475
>people now have quarter-of-life crisis
Living to 100 is by no means the fucking norm lmao, you're blessed if you reach 60 beyond disease and accidents.

>>17328539
Excuse me, the 5/16ths life crisis

>>17328452
unironically get married. even if it is to a brown girl

>>17328571
she's ignoring right fucking now.

>>17328452
Read Nietzsche (Start with "On the Genealogy of Morality" and then proceed to "
Thus Spoke Zarathustra")
Don't worry, I just saved your life.
And don't let your brain get washed, there is no half life or mid life crisis, there are only politics and other covert influences to manipulate you and which will fuck your head if you don't start to get to the bottom of the real causes of your issues.

The problem with the new generation is that they only soak up what they think sounds good, but that doesn't mean that it's automatically good. Never forget that true development takes effort, pain, and insight. But this will make you a true and free man who can do what he wants without having a stick up your ass or being ashamed of who you are.

Don't forget, you can still be what you want afterwards, but you first have to accept reality and not deny yourself. You should also google what the term "constructivism" means and do some more research.

Here's a vid to get u interested yo - take this serious - pz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpxHFNvlUmU

>>17329234
Just do the opposite of what this guy says.
The less you know the better.

>>17329234
P.M. Dawn pic posting bro, can you tell me the source of this sample?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykE6Kqya240

>>17328499
This wasn't the way it worked for me. I was fine throughout my 20s until I reached the age of 29. Then I had my crisis. I'm still 29 and in the midst of the crisis. Wish me luck, boys.

>>17328452
Just remind yourself that only God is eternal

I wish I could be as young as that again

>>17328539
>you're blessed if you reach 60 beyond disease and accidents.
Do Americans really?

>>17329263
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdR3CNy8rbA

nevermind, found it, it's from The Doors movie

>>17328539
In Western Europe the life expectancy for men is 79 and for women it's 84.

>>17328452
OP you have to learn to recognize what is behind messages, what this person wants from you and what argument this person can bring up. If it's nothing but hot air then the comment looks something like this. >>17329253 There are many insecure people these days who let themselves be persuaded of all kinds of things because they cannot pinpoint the intent. Sometimes these intentions are insidious and hidden, but the more a person reveals about themselves, the more likely their intentions will come to light.
But in this example, you can easily see that this person doesn't want to help you, they just want to post memes and feel smart.
It is so easy to let something influence you, but in the end you have to ask yourself if it was really your decision that you made rationally and was not influenced by emotions, like impressions or music >>17329263 , because all of this can sound & look good in the first moment but at some point it will catch up with you.
If you don't acquire knowledge yourself from several sources and compare what, in your opinion, comes closest to reality. It also has a lot to do with personal experience, everyone goes through different things at different times. But 25 is an old one that you slowly really start to think about what's behind it.
You have to put the needs of others behind your needs and first only think about what you want. That might sound selfish at first, but in truth it is the only way you can become a real individual who makes his own decisions.
I can tell you, Nietzsche is a good start, but you can form your own opinion.

>>17328523
That's not true you liar.

>>17329320
Life expectancy estimates are based on idealised predictions that take into account societal factors like obesity rates, healthcare quality etc. They have absolutely no way of taking into consideration things such as accidents, sudden illness, chronic illness, murder etc. It's not a concrete "you are likely to live to x age if you live in y country"

I'm a 29 year old European and have known something like 7 of my friends growing up that have died. Some things out of their control (car accidents, murder, cancer) and some things in their control (drug addiction, suicide). This is before taking into consideration older friends and family that have died before my country's life expectancy.

Tomorrow is never promised and frankly I wish I was sheltered enough to believe that it is.

At 25 i realised that spirits are real. Not as some intellectual concept, but experientially. Started having some precognitive dreams and so on. Now it has sort of mellowed a bit, but yeah, it definitely changes you. Good luck OP.

>>17329414
>At 25 i realised that spirits are real.
Oh awesome, when are you publishing your findings and collecting your Nobel prize?

>>17329393
>It's not a concrete "you are likely to live to x age if you live in y country"
It quite literally is, your retarded anecdotes do nothing to disprove this.

>>17329271
Gl bro everything will be fine

Houellebecq to realize that westerners overvalue youth

>>17329423
Mock me all you want, I was the same way before.

>>17329446
Actually maybe not houellebecq if you’re depressed. He’s insanely pessimistic

>>17329392
I'll take my Nobel

>>17329392
>>17329466
Citation: https://frederic-38110.medium.com/gerontology-how-long-will-you-live-4c9fd2704377

Im turning 32 soon. Leave this place kid. Before it is too late.

>>17328452
Think about my tip, deal with Nietzsche
(Start with "On the Genealogy of Morality" and then proceed to "Thus Spoke Zarathustra").
Stop being on 4chan so much, it just makes you more insecure and doesn't cure your fear.

I was on /lit/ for a while when I was feeling very bad mentally. (2019) I felt so indescribably miserable, but thanks to 4chan, I ordered a few books at that time that sounded interesting. Maybe you do the same.

Believe in yourself.

PZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=corY-FZAZog

>>17329434
Again, it's entirely idealised on the assumption that you've perfect health and navigate life perfectly. Just because it's a reassuring cope that your death day is far off doesn't detract from this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Life_expectancy_vs._maximum_life_span
>Life expectancy is commonly confused with the average age an adult could expect to live.
(You) are here.

>>17329508
> This confusion may create the expectation that an adult would be unlikely to exceed an average life expectancy, even though, with all statistical probability, an adult, who has already avoided many statistical causes of adolescent mortality, should be expected to outlive the average life expectancy calculated from birth.
You could literally just have read the next sentence of the article.

>>17329316
Why are there so many oldfrogs here who are seemingly knackered about their lives? Do you have no thing or person you love? Are you poor? Ill? What happened?

>>17329546
Yes, and getting to that stage isn't a guarantee. That's the point I'm making lad, keep up.

>>17328452
Read Nietzsche and start with ice cold showers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV0GLklpO8c

>>17328452
About being young and having literally all of your adult life ahead of you?

Get married, anon. No sex before marriage.

>>17329669
>No sex before marriage
You're either an Arab or a time traveller.

>>17328452


DO NOT WORRY; ONCE YOU CROSS THE THREE DECADE THRESHOLD YOU STOP CARING REGARDING AGE, EVEN THOUGH AGING IS EVER MORE PRESENT IN MIND.

>>17329585
Right, but if you survive the first five years of life, you are virtually guaranteed to make it to around that age. The cases you mentioned are absolute outliers.

>>17329575
>Do you have no thing or person you love?

Here y'go.

>>17328499
>i developed psychosis and learned I had ocd at 19

>>17329234
I'll check them out

>>17329663
a life filled with pain and suffering, just like the last 4 years

>>17328452
25 was a good year for me. Don't sweat your age, it really doesn't matter.

im 27 and the pandemic pretty much shaved off another 2 years. i literally wasted the best years of my life. books for this feel?

>>17329720
>The cases you mentioned are absolute outliers.
Just because they deviate from the average doesn't make them vanish. You are not "virtually guaranteed" as you put it. Think of it like a bell curve - if the average life expectancy is at the top of the curve, you're conveniently ignoring the entire area of the graph to the left of it. Those "premature" deaths still exist even if you choose to focus on the average.

every birthday after 18 sucks. you should be well used to this feeling by now. in fact, you should be numb to it.

>>17329865
Any random grouping of years could be the best years of your life. No way to know until it's older. Personally I can't wait to be 50 with a few grown children. Shit's gonna be great.

>waa waa I'm turning 25

You Zoomies are something else. Totally ill-prepared for life and frail as fuck about everything, even turning 25.

itt /lit/izens reveal themselves as a bunch of youth-worshipping normies in thought but not in deed. Go gather your rosebuds while you still can if you feel like 25 is somehow old

>>17329888
im already suffering from health issues which are only getting worse, i work a dead end job, i have never had a gf or friends. it's not going to get better. once you're past a certain age everyone knows that you're a fuck up

>>17329906
This was Elon Musk in his late 20's. He was a hairlet with an upcoming company. Not that I respect him all that much but the point is you can't look at where you're at in life at the moment and extrapolate that as being permanent.
You can make it (not just financially I mean), it just requires hard work.

>>17329906
You're kinda right but focusing so much on your failures is just gonna fuck you over

>>17329414
>>>/x/

>>17328452
>Youth was the time for happiness, its only season; young people, leading a lazy, carefree life, partially occupied by scarcely absorbing studies, were able to devote themselves unlimitedly to the liberated exultation of their bodies. They could play, dance, love, and multiply their pleasures. They could leave a party, in the early hours of the morning, in the company of sexual partners they had chosen, and contemplate the dreary line of employees going to work. They were the salt of the earth, and everything was given to them, everything was permitted for them, everything was possible. Later on, having started a family, having entered the adult world, they would be introduced to worry, work, responsibility, and the difficulties of existence; they would have to pay taxes, submit themselves to administrative formalities while ceaselessly bearing witness--powerless and shame-filled--to the irreversible degradation of their own bodies, which would be slow at first, then increasingly rapid; above all, they would have to look after children, mortal enemies, in their own homes, they would have to pamper them, feed them, worry about their illnesses, provide the means for their education and their pleasure, and unlike in the world of animals, this would last not just for a season, they would remain slaves of their offspring always, the time of joy was well and truly over for them, they would have to continue to suffer until the end, in pain and with increasing health problems, until they were no longer good for anything and were definitively thrown into the rubbish heap, cumbersome and useless. In return, their children would not be at all grateful, on the contrary their efforts, however strenuous, would never be considered enough, they would, until the bitter end, be considered guilty because of the simple fact of being parents. From this sad life, marked by shame, all joy would be pitilessly banished. When they wanted to draw near to young people's bodies, they would be chased away, rejected, ridiculed, insulted, and, more and more often nowadays, imprisoned. The physical bodies of young people, the only desirable possession the world has ever produced, were reserved for the exclusive use of the young, and the fate of the old was to work and to suffer. This was the true meaning of solidarity between generations; it was a pure and simple holocaust of each generation in favor of the one that replaced it, a cruel, prolonged holocaust that brought with it no consolation, no comfort, nor any material or emotional compensation.

he is right about everything.

>>17329906
People like you just don't listen and complain all the time, instead of trying to learn something, their behavior slowly develops a slave moral and blames the system that their life is not going as it should. i can't understand how you can write something like this while valuable tips are being passed on for free all the time. Maybe you should ask yourself that or just look for a new job.

Take care of yourself and take care of your health. At the latest, when it affects your health, you should realize that you did something wrong and did not live for yourself but to meet expectations from others.

>>17329575
You see time go by really fast and remember how good times used to be, especially with this lockdown bullshit going on. I tend to stay indoors and keep to myself, but I can't even go shopping for room decoration on thrift stores, so I have to live in a place that doesn't feel like home. Because of all that and the fact I'm not in my home country I spent Christmas, New Years and birthday by myself crying with depression and watching old movies, and I don't even care about special days. This lasted for about a month, and it was the longest and worse depression I had, but perhaps it was necessary. I identified the things that were making me unbearably sad, and I changed them. Now I feel much better and try to see life in a different, better way. Even if it's raining or cold, I try to embrace the elements and see the beauty in it. Just let yourselves go, without worries, since in the end we'll all be dead.

>>17329931
Not him and I don't even believe in "spirits" but I honestly think people like you are the dumbest people on the planet, to already assume you have full context of reality is stupid and has been BTFO time and time again all throughout history

>>17329906
LISTEN TO THIS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-pu-hzWsNU

>>17329953
i took tips all my life. i picked up a bunch of hobbies, switched a bunch jobs, lost weight, hit the gym, forced myself to interact with people i hate just to make friends. it's just never enough and i never seem to take a single step forward despite all this. im just bitter and exhausted at this point

>>17329972
Become stoic. One with the universe. It's the only way to find peace.

>>17329941
>>The physical bodies of young people, the only desirable possession the world has ever produced, were reserved for the exclusive use of the young, and the fate of the old was to work and to suffer.
>tfw turning 30 this year and I choke anf mouthfuck a 19 year old twink on the regular
He doesn't sound right to me

>>17329895
while 19-21 is the age you start learning all your naive delusions about life and people were wrong.
at 25 you start realising your life is not going to go anywhere. At 25 your path has largely been decided. It is inherently depressing.

>>17329931
stop taking your meds

I'm 23 and already feel done with life, and since it just seems to get worse and worse I don't see myself making it the full journey.

>>17330032
>At 25 your path has largely been decided.
You're mistakenly making it sound like some external outside force has decided it when this is absolutely not the case. I'm aware that certain commitments might hamper the ability to change in the short term (looking after elderly family, children etc) but those situations themselves aren't permanent. You are, after all, a person with the capacity to make choices.

>>17328523
Not really, the average was low in the past mainly due to high infant mortality. The average life expectancy for someone who lived past 15 could be as high as 40 (and as 60 once you enter antiquity proper and the middle ages).

>>17328539
See >>17329342 also in East Asia the average is possibly even higher. In China (which holds almost a quater of humanity) the average life expectancy is above 75.

>>17329466
>>17329483
Key word is average. This includes a staggeringly high proportion of dead infants. For those talking about midlife or quarter life doesn't even make sense. Look into the life of those who made it into adulthood and you'll probably see a much higher average. In fact extreme infant mortality + average lifespan as high as 20 suggest the minority who survived infancy probably made it past 40.

>>17330009
30 is like the beginning of being old, and being a gay hedonist doesnt count.

>>17330057
At 25, for almost all people, your friends are set in stone. You've got the ones you are close with and can only sustain those relationships or lose them.
Friends you gain past 25 are shallow work-relationships that hold no intrinsic value. Everyone is seeking to fulfill the void in their lives by finding the ""love of their lives"". They don't care about finding a best friend to form a meaningful relationship with.
At 25 you start having to be self sufficient. You can't just decide to go to college and start over from 0. You have chosen a degree and you can't deviate from that path aside from working shitty wageslave jobs or other non-degree work.
Your financial situation becomes clear to you. It is obvious where you'll be for the rest of your life within society. Most of us are not entrepreneurs with great ideas. The daily slaving is all we know and are capable of doing. At 25 you have a pretty good picture of what your societal status will be going forward.
At 25, for the first time in your life, you start to know yourself. Most likely, you are a disappointment to your younger, more empathic and driven self. You realise you are a 6/10 at best and the chances of having to settle for somebody you do not really love that much at all are very high.
25 is disappointing in every aspect.

>but muh stoicism, if you stop caring you are free to change your life.
Lifechanging trips to India are for delusional 19 yo girls. The real world is not that kind.

>>17329393
If you live in a first-world country it's pretty easy for the state to collect the age of every death person with a high accuracy, just like it's easy to assign everyone a birth certificate at birth. It won't be 100% accurate but it'll still be pretty accurate, in fact national statistics can pick yearly variations of a few months in overall life expectancy.

>>17330106
and this is all already asuming you have been blessed with a good family, no deep health problems or traumas etc.
It is, on a worldscale, a good life. An average depressing life, but one with comfort.

But even that thought is deeply depressing.

>>17329941
pfaahahahahahaha

>>17330103
lol comfy ur sucha fag

>>17329941
comfy I'm going to rape your boyhole

>>17330106
At 25 you've had SEVEN (7) years of adult life to build. If you haven't become somebody who you're vaguely proud of in SEVEN years then you're simply bound to be an unsuccessful waster who complains that life wasn't fair to them. I'm not saying you need to be rich or have everything figured and planned out, but you can't be "finding yourself" at 25. It's exceedingly hard to rebound from seven whole years of bad habits and even worse decisions.

>>17330032
Only if you let it, the one way to guarantee your life is decided is inaction.

>>17330032
>19-21 is the age you start learning all your naive delusions about life and people were wrong
Truly is the blackpilling phase of life unless you're incredibly good looking, wealthy, or a woman.

>>17330085
This is not even close to true. If you lived past the infant stage you had a very decent chance of making it to 60-70 in nomadic hunter gatherer times. Civilization actually cut the life expectancy drastically for the masses, due to high concentrations of people transmitting disease much more readily

>>17330142
It's impossible for you to understand it if haven't experienced the same feeling.
I'm about to graduate with a masters in a good field. I used to be suicidal but am generally content (for some periods like this month not with shit like this). I overcame my shadows through finding value in self-improvement and developping my interests. I got in great shape and I love working out.
I've become less ignorant and a far more rational person. I don't just blurt out opinions on shit I'm not informed on...
I am proud of who I am. But the vision for the future is still disappointing. Because life itself is inherently disappointing from most perspectives. Most philosophies and lifestyle changes people recommend simply feel like a gigantic cope when you're in that mindset.

>>17330168
>But the vision for the future is still disappointing
At least you had the stones to work towards something and prepare for the storm of existence. For that, if nothing else, you should be proud.

>>17330106
>At 25, for almost all people, your friends are set in stone.
They're not at all. You can take up new hobbies, join new groups, meet new people etc. I'm 35 and only knew a small minority of my friend group at 25.
>Friends you gain past 25 are shallow work-relationships that hold no intrinsic value.
Why are you assuming friends made in youth are somehow more meaningful? If anything it's the opposite - you're usually friends by circumstance at that age and not by choice.
>At 25 you start having to be self sufficient.
What? I started at 17.
>You can't just decide to go to college and start over from 0.
You quite literally can, whether it's a good idea or not is a separate issue.
>Your financial situation becomes clear to you. It is obvious where you'll be for the rest of your life within society. Most of us are not entrepreneurs with great ideas. The daily slaving is all we know and are capable of doing. At 25 you have a pretty good picture of what your societal status will be going forward.
If it's clear to you that your current trajectory is unfulfilling then you can, shockingly, change it. You just don't want to because it's more work than your soulless wage slaving.
>Lifechanging trips to India are for delusional 19 yo girls. The real world is not that kind.
With this attitude no wonder things are going shit for you.

>>17330106
Is this how people actually think on this board? Lmao and lit is supposed to be one of the more intelligent boards

>>17330230
0 arguments provided and simply applied your own arbitrary experience to what is reality for most (age to be self-sufficient at aside on a worldscale)
You also didn't even read my other post. I am pretty content and only am because of many changes I made and risks I took.
I dropped out of social work to start a way harder master. I started to socialise when I was depressed as fuck even when it took everything out of me.

As I said. I am both proud of myself as relatively content with life right now.
Doesn't change the fact that life is disappointing.

>>17330289
>Doesn't change the fact that life is disappointing.
Your life specifically is disappointing because you've a broken brain.

>>17330289
>0 arguments provided and simply applied your own arbitrary experience to what is reality for most
As opposed to your arbitrary experience and "reality" that's pulled from thin air?

Get the fuck off 4chan you fucking retard! Thats the only thing you gotta do. Nothing else written in this thread matters. Just leave and don´t come back bitch

>>17330099
Just found a nice link that shows estimates for a variety of societies across centuries: https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality-in-the-past..

Average estimate (across 43 cultures) for death before the first year is 26.9%, for death before 15 it's 46.2%. Let's round that down to 25 and 45% respectively.
That 25% dead in one year, 20% more dead in the years 1-15. Assuming those 20% died exactly at age 15 (a ridiculously conservative assumption), then to reach an average of
>15 years
You need the past-15 survivors to live to be 21 on average
>20 years
You need those survivors to live to 30 on average
>30 years
You need those survivors to live to 48 on average

This means men in their 40s would have been a common sight as early as the Paleolithic by the estimates in >>17329466

But as said above, this would be ridiculously conservative. Before 300 BC the average mortality at 1 was closer to 30-35%, at 15 it was closer to 60%. Furthermore we can assume those who died before 15 didn't die on the eve of their 15th birthday, so let's set an average life expectancy of 8 (mean of 15 and 1) for them.

30% dead at age 1 and 30% more at age exactly 8 gives you:
>for a total average of 15 years
Survivors would have to reach on average 24 years
>for a total average of 20 years
Survivors would have to reach on average 36.5 years
>for a total average of 30 years
Survivors would have to reach on average 61.5 years

Remember that those are averages, meaning you could see men much older than that, though the majority would probably die a bit younger. So as early as the Paleolithic, you would not uncommonly meet people well over 50. I let you imagine how old people could get in later ages (iirc the dates for Aeschylus, which are for once pretty accurate, put him dead at age 75-80, for Sophocles it's closer to 90, and for Euripides it's around 75).

The single biggest contribution of the modern age to life expectancy is by a landslide the extreme reduction of infant mortality. Everything else is just bringing the average from 60 to 75-80 (in most developed countries) thanks in no small part to hygiene and more safety measures.

>>17330294
obviously. hard to change that.
pills make shit worse. I've been on antidepressants 3 years ago and it sucked dick.

I've done well all things considering. I'm relatively content with my life but I don't own the idea that my life will be great from here on out.

>>17330289
I hope I never end up as someone like you

>>17330103
>and being a gay hedonist doesnt count
Why not? And anyway people itt are acting like 18, 22, and 25 are all the beginning of being old. Defeatists will find any excuse for inaction, it seems.

>>17330285
/lit/ is full of mentally and emotionally retarded adult children who think they're geniuses because they read Plato

>>17330305
yeah mine's arbitrary too. It's different for many people.
generally speaking I'd say my points about making friends, realising your own attractiveness, smarts and personality as well as seeing a general path before you is a truth for many people.

Of course I agree that you can actually change your life if you really want to. But many people are quite literally stuck in their positions. Not because they can't try anything new, but because they're convinced that trying those new things won't change anything in the long run.
some are probably right in that way of thinking.

>>17330316
I hope you can be happy, but I doubt it

>>17330350
I already am loser

>>17330361
doubt it

>turning 26 soon
>everything just keeps getting worse
>unrepentant sperg, never fit in
>childhood fucked me up, was put in a school with retard kids (autists lumped together with these because hey you're all freaks right) even though I could've easily skipped several grades
>since then I've never had any friends and only recently started working through my issues
>now realize there's no place for me in society
>legit don't even know how people my age socialize
>starting fourth semester at uni now but hating it immensely
>no social medias so don't even become informed about what happens at uni
>will probably not be any physical/IRL aspects at all this semester
>made absolutely no friends during my time at uni, a number of failed attempts at getting into social activities but it's too late for all that now
>idk if I'll even bother studying beyond this semester, thought It'd help turn things around, going to uni and moving out, but it's just been more of the same

>>17330346
>generally speaking I'd say my points about making friends, realising your own attractiveness, smarts and personality as well as seeing a general path before you is a truth for many people.
Of course you'd say that, it validates your pessimistic perspective. I'd say the exact opposite, but that's likely because I've surrounded myself with people that don't lie down and die when confronted with a fork in the road.
>But many people are quite literally stuck in their positions. Not because they can't try anything new
Then they're not "stuck", they're choosing to stay still on the assumption that they can somehow tell the future.
Frankly this just reads like you trying to extrapolate your chronically depressed perspective as being common to all people when that's very much not true.

>>17330388
Well to be fair I still feel like this and I definitely didn't lie down when confronted. Although It has definitely improved my situation and mindset.

very few people are actually stuck. Maybe they have some disease, financial debt or whatever, but that's a small amount of depressed people.
Most have the means to change their life. But they are stuck. They are stuck in a depressive perspective that makes them feel with all emotion that no action they'll take in their lives will change their state of mind.
I don't even believe it now, but trust me when you're actually depressed all the self-help books, advice and philosophies seem like a cope that will only temporary change a permanent feeling.

I think if you've been depressed you should know what I'm talking about.
But I don't disagree with you. It's just that a self imposed prison like your pic is very much a real prison to the person within it. There is no logic to it because all your 'rational' and 'logical' thoughts are consumed by an overwhelming emotion.

>>17328452
turned 27 a few days ago
feelsbadman
just kill yourself
consider this a warning from the future

>>17330106
>Most likely, you are a disappointment to your younger, more empathic and driven self.
No way, my teenage self would think what I'm dong now is rad af, too bad my adult self doesn't find it quite as rad, but what can you do, you can only please so many of yourselves at a time.

>>17330366
For one, it sounds like you have some mental health issues and should probably seek counselling. Im serious, I know counselling is treated like a meme on here, but proper therapy can be the difference between getting your life on track and spending 5+ more years in decline.
Second, it sounds like you thought going to university would simply fix all of your problems. Thats not the case, a change of environment can help but only so much if you arent working on yourself.
Yes you are older than average college age. No, it doesnt mean a degree you gain will be of any less value, nor does it mean you cant socialize with other students. Dont give up on uni if its a necessary part of the end goal you are seeking. There are lots of older students at any given college, when I was 21 in my first program I made friends with a guy that was 30 and we still talk regularly. He went on to get a phd and now has a great job at a University near where he grew up.
So my advice is don’t beat yourself up. Dont listen to the retards on here that read a few paragraphs of Neitzche and proclaim life is over at 25. Wallowing in self pity and defeatism will do nothing but guarantee your life stays shitty.
Dont forget, the most financially successful author in the world right now did not have a word published and was living on welfare at the age of 28. So long as you can help it don't let anyone decide the limits of your potential except yourself.

>>17330449
Why does it feel bad? What is so much worse about your life now that you're 27?

>>17330366
A good friend of mine went to a retard school for like 10 years even though nothing was really wrong with him (mildly spergy, plus social anxiety stuff) because his mom had a bit of a munchausen-by-proxy thing going on. It fucked him up for sure but after awhile living independently he's mostly a pretty normal guy

>>17330596
Not him but every birthday feels like a bitter reminder of how nothing is happening, and that the oppurtunity for something to happen is getting slimmer.

>>17330106
Cheer up mate, I'm 24 and have neither friends, nor a degree, nor job prospects, nor respect, and I still like to tell myself that life can change around somehow. Most old men I hang around with tell me life doesn't really start till thirty anyways.

>>17330142
Shut up.

>>17328499
It's the age where you no longer have any excuses for being a fuck-up, you're judged by the standards of the adult world. It was pretty tough for me around 25, but I'm 31 and I'm okay now, mostly because my life has improved by a lot in the past few years.

>>17330628
>nothing is happening
Nobody's fault but your own

>>17329575
unironically "mans search for meaning" by vicktor frankl outright states that life is essentially unbearable without purpose and rightfully predicts this issue will become more prevalent the more autonomous our society becomes with more time for us to do nothing.
i agree with him, even now living in a first word country is surely like a paradise as opposed to what life was like hundreds of years ago, but without purpose you aren't living, your existing and it gets harder every day not to just regress yourself into a vegetative state when faced with such a endless meaningless.

>>17330651
To be fair, unless your wealthy and have good university connections it's not like there is a plethora of opportunities out there. Most decent jobs in academia, government, art, etc. have become pay-to-play pyramid schemes that require parental support through till thirty while you 'get your foot in the door' and for everyone else the door is shut and bolted.

What should he do exactly? Sure, he could start his own company, travel, write a book, etc. but all of these things are a crap-shot and 9/10 times will end with you moving back with your parents while self important rubes making passive aggressive comments about how you wasted six months working on a failed novel or startup while they worked a dead end job and put new rims on their truck.

>>17330319
lol being a fag doesn't count, shit doesn't turn into babies which is why sex between a man and a women is how it normally should be and why men and women can fall in love or have purpose to falling in love
enjoy aids

>>17330669
Everything we do in life is COPE. Having a family, fucking lots of tight pussy, eating delicious food, reading good lit. All cope.

>>17330651
Yes, thats why it hurts.

>>17328499
>>17328475
I learned to cope after being demonstrably more healthy and athletic than my classmates (doing a 2nd degree after working).

Also fucked a few 18 year olds though

>>17330106
>Most likely, you are a disappointment to your younger, more empathic and driven self.
i remember specifically finding racist and sexist behaviour completely abhorrent when i was 12-18 and often wonder how the younger me would feel knowing at 25 i entered full on nigger hatred mode after seeing their niggering on a daily basis

>>17330740
Being a nigger is cultural

>>17330749
it is, but theres a lot of niggers around now

>>17330695
Its true getting thru uni is a lot easier if you come from money, but that doesnt mean its okay to just write yourself off if you dont. I barely had enough to finish undergrad and could not afford post grad so Ive been working since I graduated to save up. The way I see it it will be all the better when I get there knowing I did it myself. Sure its not fair but thats life, instead of comparing myself to those who had lawyers and doctors for parents I consider myself fortunate when I think of kids born in the projects or trailer parks who never had any chance.

>>17330669
kaczynski knew this. with the bare minimum in the western world easier to obtain than ever for most, any action further than that is mainly directed at women, something that you cant control. working out, going to college to get a better job, having good assets etc. mostly stems from this. so many steps, for happiness that is not guaranteed. its why a lot of people cope and get by with porn.

>>17330669
>it gets harder every day not to just regress yourself into a vegetative state when faced with such a endless meaningless.

this is me right now.. fuck.. I got into a very prestigious uni, in medicine, achieved some other stuff in the same month but right after I was done I just reclined in the couch and started watching youtube videos..
Any books to help understand this, or to help me get out?

>>17330789
Sure but I'm already in my mid-twenties. Working my ass off and jumping through hoops just so I can be a thirty year old with 40 grand in debt and a piece of paper the middle class expects you to have received by 21 hardly seems worth it. In my country just applying to university after a certain age bars you from entrance scholarships and many academic programs.

Alexis de Tocqueville has an interesting quote on this point,
>“Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.”
It seems that we have largely reached this point these days. At least I can live in a trailer park and remain financially independent, which isn't something that can be said for most 'respectable' career paths

>tfw you get to the state of alienation that you wouldn't even be able to realistically articulate to someone just why you are so sad and angry even if they cared to ask
>all you can do is stare at other people and fantasise about them accepting that you are not just some shy ugly antisocial freak but a person like they are without immediately writing you off at face value or choosing to believe you don't have feelings and are incapable of caring for other people
that is the worst level of loneliness to descend to anons, then you realise you've done the exact same thing to other people and you really start questioning why you should still bother existing anymore.
its easier to lean into the incel stereotype when you know people will see you that way no matter what you do or try to convince them otherwise.
but then you just make the world shittier as well.
nuke us all from orbit and end it plz so we don't have to think about these things anymore.

>>17328452
This book won't necessarily help you 'cope', but it will make you face what has happened.

>>17330846
mans search for meaning as the post mentions.
it helps breakdown suffering as an essential part, if not the primary way of existence whilst stressing true purpose cannot be arbitrarily decided and is more so something that occurs naturally or not at all.
it can be a particular person, lifetime project or other reason, but essentially you cannot wake up one morning and decide "this is ny my purpose" its something that subconsciously occurs.
in the case of the author his purpose for living was to survive through the internment camp he'd been imprisoned within to finish his book he'd been writing his whole life, even when his wife and family died.

>>17328452
I'm 23 and I can feel it coming. Luckily I think my literary habits and a few older friends broke it down for me so I've been very adamant in staying as focused as possible. But it looks terrible for some of my friends who I urge to try and do something w their lives because it will only get worse. There's truly nothing you can do past a point for people.

>>17328530
All the descriptors in that image are supposed to be vague enough to lead anyone to believe they are schizo, right...:/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwR5OP4jtwA

im slowly facing the reality that i dont procrastinate and waste time and let life pass me by because of trauma or something out of my control predetermined by genetics. I just choose to live this way because being in purgatory is preferable to being in hell. It seems to me like all you can do is choose between depression or anxiety.

just enjoy life lol

>>17329681
Neither, but nice try, Shlomo.

>>17328452
It's my birthday tomorrow too anon.

>>17331009
I think schizoid is pretty different from schizophrenia

>>17328452
Behead All Satans
darling, take IT out of the freezer. DUMP everything.
these communications are compromised. switch to A>E e-fil: gro-b

>>17328452
I feel like I've only started truly living after I turned 30... and read Fantômas.

>>17330285
people who consider themselves intelligent are usually retarded. this guy is so obviously talking about his own situation but I hope he’s just trolling

>>17330740
for me it's just a general loss in empathy.
I was genuinely a kind kid and believed in everybody until they truly proved me wrong.
But I had a sheltered uprbringing and the world hit me at 19 and now I feel like fucking shit because the world is shit and most of all I'm a shell of my former self

>>17331650
happy birthday bro

This was the most retarded thread I've ever read on this board...
You people have some serious persecution complexes.
It's always in absolutes with you fucking insecure idiots.
I know former drug addicts who used to literally get pissed on for drug money well into their 20s who are now married, with kids, a stable income, and a mortgage.
Just fucking do what you want to do, get good at it, and life will hand things to you.
Fuck, you kids, it's not a fucking race.

>>17329234
>>17329503
Why should I start with "On the Genealogy of Morality" and then proceed to "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"?
I've been meaning to read Nietsche anyway so might as well do it now.
But I'd rather start with The Birth of Tragedy?

>>17333532
it's about perspective. That guy turned his life around and achieved what he probably never thought possible.
My parents have a fuckton of money, I have a masters and I'm not ugly.
I'll get a house, kids and wife but I doubt that will bring me happiness

>>17333532
For me the pain comes from not having autonomy (referencing industrial society and it's consequences).

There's always some motherfucker telling me what to do. It feels like you don't get to make choices, most of life is totally outside of your control.

anybody who legit think anything is set in stone, "life is over", or that you are old under the age of 40 is brainwashed and/or retarded. This whole thread is absurd. 25 year olds aren't shit. 25-35 is literally male prime in every conceivable way. If you are a healthy, not in debt, and have no dependents you could do whatever you want and learn whatever you want. All of this moping stems from this idea that the directionless and "carefree fun" of extreme youth is somehow the top of the pyramid in value, ie: you brainwashed and retarded. You aren't even a full human until 25. Keep coping with your laziness with this pathetic "WOE IS ME I WANNA LIVE IN A LATE 90s HIGH SCHOOL MOVIE" until you're 40 and realize how fucking stupid you were for not cherishing be fucking 25. Jesus Christ

>>17328452
if you're a male your life begins at 30.

Different folks, different strokes. Personally, tiny instants of immense joy are enough and those instants haven't diminished in quantity as I've got older. There are all sorts of ways to uncover them. Some are fortuitous, some take work, concentration and patience.

>>17333604
Well, fuck, quit your job and become a Subgenius and acquire Slack for a while.
OR delve into Hermetic Kabbalah and literally give yourself schizophrenia and talk with Goetic spirits or something. Quit ya bitchin. There are many ways to make your lame life exciting.

>>17328530
I am for sure on that spectrum. I have the genetics for it and everything.
Has to do with workings of particular receptors in the dopaminergic system.

>>17330704
A creature that is aware of it's own existence in this terrible, dismal world full of evil needs a really, really good reason not to terminate itself.
Saying "just accept your death bro and live to the fullest" is also cope.

>>17331009
i really fucking hope so :|

>>17328452
you're gonna be a boomer in 5 years m8

times running out

>>17330142
you're not an adult til 24-25 according to neuroscience

I don't think I will make it to 25. I can't take being alone anymore. If I can't even get one woman, I don't see the point in living.

>>17328452
you're having a 25 crisis? What the fuck lmao

>>17329575
The only difference between old fags on 4chan and you, is we did the stupid shit you are doing right now longer.

I would hope you would wise up and stop doing it and go live your life, but I wised up and just still kept doing it too. You're fucked.

>>17330106
>the chances of having to settle for somebody you do not really love that much at all are very high
Now what the fuck are you talking about? Getting married isn't an obligation that must be met. That sounds desperate and pathetic.

>>17334343
"Adulthood" is a cultural concept which has only a passing relationship to biology

>>17328452
Casanovas memoirs. Youll learn from it that you are actually quite young.

>>17333565
Birth of Tragedy is a good starting point, though he moves away from its ideas as time goes on.

>>17333569
What would bring you happiness?

>>17330857
>the most original minds and the most energetic characters
Let's be real, few if any of the people on /lit/ fit this description

>>17328452
>turning 19 in a couple months and I haven't even begun studying german when I've planned on being fluent at 21 so as to have time to learn latin, ancient greek and classical hebrew as well

>>17328452
Here's a motivation clip, I watch this every time before I go skate!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFGwTNP_cLE

>>17328452
"Lolita." When you turn 25 you'll be closer in age to Humbert than Lolita, for the first time.

>>17328452
25 really isn't old. Say this to someone who's 50 and they will laugh at you.

>>17329926
Elon Musk had very wealthy parents, most of us here don't. Elon is also a lot more intelligent than most people and very lucky. What a stupid point to make.

>>17333532
>just do what you want to do bro!

and what if what i want to do is avoid the world?

>>17328452
>24 this year
>5th year of Uni
>haven't passed anything since the 1st
>tried, got fucked over
>stopped trying
>started trying again; got fucked over again
>stopped trying entirely, paralyzed by fear
>got a last chance to pick up from where I left this semester
>half the time was lost on hospitals
>too afraid to move
>didn't study
>exam is 6 days away
>I didn't even sign up, because everytime I did I ended up messaging the professors to write me off because I wasn't ready
>waited until the last day just in case, maybe I'd read something (didn't)
>panic set in, went to sign up and figured I'd study 6 days and just try my best
>the Uni's websites are down
>if I lose this semester I won't be able to study the subjects of the next semesters because it's STEM and they all build up on one another
>staying with parents and they think I've been studying all this time, in my tiny room, and are expecting me to pass this time
>mfw
I just don't know anymore. I feel nothing. I want nothing but the ground to swallow me whole and this charade to stop. I'd say I can't take anymore, but, in all honesty, I'm apathetic towards it all. Life treated me like shit, and personally I'm also a shit, so what's the point? I am nothing. The world's going to Hell. Why am I even trying to finish a Physics degree? I'm nothing special. I've got no connections. What am I even doing here? I won't be revolutionizing science. I won't be able to contribute anything. I can't even get a "manual labor" job because I'm physically fucked all over from genetics and accidents. From wobbly knees to faulty backs. I'm balding. Braces ruined my jaw. My glasses make my large nose appear even larger. My stomach's fucked. I've been friendless for a decade. I'm obviously a KHHV. This is it. This is the end. There's no way to unfuck this.

Sometimes I wish my parents were dead so that I could off myself. But then it passes, and I don't care enough to do it, so... Eh. Fuck it. Just go with the flow, I guess...

>>17336230
Then do it, it's your decision, nobody forces you to do something and if you do, then you can always say, give a shit, I'll do what I want anyway. Everyone has to live with the consequences, nobody knows what will happen. Maybe you will be happy too. And being naive is not always something negative. But you know yourself that all sorts of things will happen and in the end you will look back at what you have decided.

>>17336230
>>17336358
and if someone forces u, then you can always say; I still don't give a shit*

>>17336230
sometimes it's the very things that make you act because you think it's being sarcastic. If you are paranoid enough, then you think every statement is sarcastic and it can make you lose your mind. In this case, it's not sarcasm, just do what you want. Why should you do something that you don't want? Do you live for someone else or do you live for yourself?

I know that we live in a time where insane people try to convince you of everything, but they only do that because they do power themselves and want to restrict one's freedom. You always have to look which intention is hidden behind an action. To do this, you have to concentrate, it usually doesn't come out directly, but always keep that in mind. But of course you also make mistakes and everyone is wrong.

However, this insane generation is so convinced of their own worldview and so arrogant that they would never admit they were wrong even if shown the facts. This is due to a lack of education. It's easy to hate these people when I think about how often I had to admit to myself that I was wrong. But I kept researching.

>>17328452
No books can make up for lost youth gramps. Are you looking forward to retirement?

>>17336546
Just seems like a trite thing to say thats all. Just do what you want? I do do what I want, and I'm miserable. Does that mean I'm not really doing what I want? Should I then change what I want? How? What should I want? If I change what I want then do I really want it? Is what I want my impulsive desires? Or delayed gratification even if it means enduring pain?

>>17337054
Amor fati

Amor fati is the ethical-aesthetic manifestation of a fatalism that is supposed to serve to overcome nihilism.

Amor fati (Latin for "love of fate") is a maxim coined by the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, through which he wants to make the state of the highest possible affirmation of life tangible for people.

That means; if you do what you want, it doesn't automatically mean that you will feel good and be satisfied with everything, but that you will be who you became because you did what you do. If you hadn't done it, you wouldn't have become what you will either. In that sense, say yes to the good and the bad. Because if the bad didn't happen, you wouldn't appreciate the good.

peaceeeeee bro

>>17328523
So untrue. You just misinterpreted average life span and average life expectancy

>>17337254
>you will be who you became because you did what you do. If you hadn't done it, you wouldn't have become what you will either.

and that is bad because? If the person I am and will become is a bad person by following what i supposedley want then what was the point.

>>17337054

I don't know about books to cope, but I always forced my friends to listen to this song when they turned 25. Here you go OP! It's almost nostalgic now that I'm nearly 30.

https://youtu.be/FHxZo-aSffQ

>>17336349
Not that anyone cares, but the websites opened and I signed up. Now I've got 6 days to get through an entire Semester's class, Electronics, and then another ~2 weeks for the other one, Electromagnetism. Wish me luck /lit/bros, I need it...

>>17337353
The point is that instead of being a slave, you are a sovereign individual and make your own decisions. Let us assume that a machine would manipulate and use you for specific purposes based on analyzes. Wouldn't that be inhuman? Are we in the world to serve others or to love ourselves. I tell you, only those who love themselves can love another. The good is present in people just like the bad itself. Learn to use it for yourself.

Oh yes, and you might be interested in this too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihhVe8dKNSA

>>17337405
So we are to be sovereign individuals by doing what we want? This is my whole point that your idea of 'want' lacks precision. Some people want to do drugs and jerk off, some people want to hide away in fear. Are these people sovereign individuals?

Also it seems odd that you would recommend Sapolsky, isn't he a determinist? In his view your mind is just an inhuman machine that there is no control over, it throws everything out of the window.

>>17329414
I had my first peek into the astral world just a few weeks ago. Around November 2020, it was fucking scary. I'm still 24.

>>17329486
When is it too late to start over?

>>17337470
You have to look at the scientific facts and consider whether you accept them or not. Because there are only mechanisms that are brought together to form a worldview, much is deliberately left out so that these theories work. We act according to premises, we see phenomena and classify them. Many of these constructs enable us to build rockets and a toaster. From this one draws the conclusion: that it seems to work.

But stop. Maybe there is more. What about the metaphysical? One could classify the premises in such a way that they would also fit metaphysical models. So that means that there are still gaps. Black holes were never actually photographed either, but everyone believes that it is real black holes that can be seen in the photo. But these are just machine calculations.

Everyone decides for themselves what they want to believe in the end and how they want to proceed. And it's not stupid to take science as a basis. It would be stupid, in my opinion, to just be spiritual without a plan. But I would say anything is possible as long as I have not been proven otherwise.

>>17329720
Only if the living conditions don't deteriorate rapidly, because of war, political turmoil or other catastrophes.

This is the most self-indulgent, whiney thread I've seen in this dumb hole for a minute, and that really is saying something.

>>17337622
We also missed you. =D

>>17328452
I used to be all hung up on getting older. In reality that is a sign of immaturity, so don't worry, you're still mentally young and especially these days 25 is still considered a baby. Now that I am a crusty 30yo boomer, all such gripes have left me like the spirit leaving an aged, near death body. It is futile to fear age as it is futile to fear the inevitable, one must instead tutor oneself to it and learn from it. When I was younger I would long for things with a vicious, hormonal hatred; the world needed to be mine and I was delusionally incapable of appreciating my blessings. As I like to say youth is wasted on the young. Nature fixes it so that you can only appreciate it once it is on the way out. Nature fixes it so that the body develops long before the mind. When you are at a time when your energy and capabilities are at its peak, it is swamped in blinding vanity and arrogance and lust and sheer confused inexperience. It helps me that I was always an old soul. Most of what I enjoyed doing in my younger years I will continue to be able to do in my older years. Any decrement in youthful physicality can be offset by staying in motion and exercising. Sometimes I miss being able to dart around as an 18 year old and absorb whatever life threw at me, and resent that I have to work for it to feel that way again. But I would not trade my stability now for the chaos I was in then even if I could get my prime body back. You can't work for a stable hormonally balanced mind, but you can work for a vigorous body even as you age.

>>17329972
For once do what you feel like doing. In the worst it will be a hell of your own making. In the best case you'll enjoy your life to the fullest

>>17337387
good luck

>>17337678

>>17328530

> No, anon. There's nothing congenital about shizo tendencies and certainly the alarmingly high number of suicides in your family has nothing to do with you! Just bee yourself!

>>17336230
I get that feeling. It creeps up on me every once in a while. Living in the woods is always a valid possibility. See video for example.
https://youtu.be/zdLAM-wChxY

>>17330669
>even now living in a first word country is surely like a paradise as opposed to what life was like hundreds of years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>17337372
based btmi poster
whatcha think of No Dream?

>>17331009
schizoid personality disorder is not the same as schizophrenic you retard.

>>17333569
Just do what you'd like to do, unless you lack the necessary balls.

>>17328452
Coming Up for Air by George Orwell, it's perfect for you situation

read MISHIMA and cultivate a desire to die young and glorious!

>>17337387
you got this dude!

I'm 23 and a virgin. I have some friends, a degree, and a career, but it feels meaningless because I have never experienced romance. My life feels empty without it because its one of the few milestones I have never experienced. I feel time is running out to find a woman that is worthwhile and I will be forced to settle for someone I am not attracted to just to feel romantic love for once in my life before I die

>>17338212
Don't worry anon, im 24. no friends, no degree and no career!

>>17329955
Good to hear you're doing better anon. I agree that paying attention to details and savouring them, particularly in nature, makes life more bearable

>>17338212
unironic, if there really is no other option, then try drugs and partying. Then maybe you can get some experience lol. It's not the best tip, but what the heck, if it doesn't work otherwise, you can always go to the hookers. Seriously, you don't have to be ashamed of that. As long as you have it under control. You can laugh about it later.

I had my first time when I was 21, that was also my first and last real girlfriend and then I missed about 4 chances, where it almost happened, but I was too drugged. So I was too wasted. Not that I couldn't get it high but I was just gossiped lol. But then I was with 3 different hookers and it was cool. I'm 28, sober and relatively satisfied that I don't have a girlfriend, I'm optimistic about that. The main thing is that I am in good health and mentally and that I love myself. Then it comes naturally when you are ready for it.

Why I'm telling you this? Imagine you have no experience at all. To be honest, I would have regretted that and then I would be dissatisfied.

Time doesn't stand still man. I also know other people who didn't risk anything. Everyone has to see how he gets along. But at least I'm not a bitter hater.

>>17338294
also sry for the grammar mistakes, I usually check my text after I copy it from the google translator.

>>17338212
>>17338294
Oh, don't get me wrong, I didn't have a girlfriend because I started taking drugs haha. That was only years later. Yes...And the 4 chances weren't hookers either. But I've had experiences with 3 or 4 hookers.

>>17338294
Good point from this anon desu. Live a little, go to meetups and drink and smoke some fat doobies

>>17337387
don't think it's impossible. Study from morning till midnight every day bro. Good luck.

>>17338154
>Coming Up for Air
oh premise seems good. I think I'll order this. I liked 1984 and Down and Out in Paris and London so might as well read this too

>>17338212

I'm 28 and I missed out on being with someone I loved because I too took a victimised mindset like you. Not that this is an attack but please understand I was 23 too. If you think like this you will more than likely miss the boat if it comes around. Total cliche but you really do have to extend love to yourself first and things like your friends, degree and career are def something to be grateful for as a lot of anons here don't even have that.

>>17336349
How the hell are you still in college if you haven't passed a class since the first year? How don't your parents already know that you're failing?

>>17337254
Virgins will be like "amor fati" but they've never tried "amor fatty"

That guy who speedran life
>is born, start walking and teething during his first week
>finishes kindergarten in 2 months
>loses virginity at age 7
>finishes primary education at 16
>finishes uni in 2 years
>gets hired at company, spends 2 years climbing the corporate ladder, becomes vice president at age 20
>marries at 21, has first kid at 22
>bought house, paid off mortgage in full, no debts of any kind
>trades in stocks, retires at 25
>lives out twilight years, kill himself at 30

>>17334385
>I would hope you would wise up and stop doing it and go live your life
What is "it" I need to stop doing?

>>17338212
>I have some friends, a degree, and a career,
boo fucking hoo

>>17329941
>This was the true meaning of solidarity between generations; it was a pure and simple holocaust of each generation in favor of the one that replaced it, a cruel, prolonged holocaust that brought with it no consolation, no comfort, nor any material or emotional compensation.

Based boomers broke the cycle and flipped the table on their offspring.

>>17333737
best book learn more about Slack or related concepts?

>>17337498
I didn't go that far but I got way too high and had an intense panic attack followed by out of body experience and have been fucked up ever since. Still trying to rebalance my spirit I guess, it got thrown off

>>17338559
does it matter if there is no sex though?
id rather be a neet getting pussy than a rich virgin

>>17338584
Sex is overrated. Jacking off is fine.

>Feel bad about all that I haven't read
>Remember that I'm only 19
>Feel motivated

>>17328499
I just turned 21, tried thc once and had a very very bad reaction to it and now learned I had ocd and anxiety and the weed aggravated those to where I'm even more fucked mentally than I was.

any ideas on how to make my death look like an accident?

i feel like i am definitely entering the decline of my life. i couldnt even get laid in college, the easiest time to get sex. i barely went on any dates. i stayed at home reading shit, watching youtube, and getting high alone.

>>17338611
Put window cleaning stuff next to the window and jump

>>17338619
I don't live high enough

I haven't felt as good as I did at 19. I'm 24 and feel worse. I miss not having to work 9-5 and having friends you could party with.

>>17330106
Not really, at 25 I was only getting out of the military, then finished up my bachelor's in engineering with the gi bill, now have a decent 90k job years later.

>>17338629
buy weed then

>>17330310
>I've been on antidepressants 3 years ago and it sucked dick.
Helped me immensely. I was a nervous wreck with regular depressive panic attacks and derealization episodes. Now feel actually normal and good most days.

>>17330308
Best advice ITT.

>>17333677
Cope, most men are fat and bald by then.

>>17338342
Drugs are a terrible idea if you're neurotic they will fuck you up even more sometimes permanently

It's for Normies only

>>17338616
Easiest time to get laid is in high school actually not college

>>17338705
i couldnt get laid there either. im 24 and a virgin. how the fuck am i supposed to do tinder? i'll look like a fool

>>17328452
I turn 30 next year. reading in general helps me cope with that feel.

>>17328460
oh yeah, for sure. OP, I had this experience a few months after my 26th birthday where it hit me that I was no longer in the loop with youth culture, that they were listening to different music, dressing differently, using different colloquial language, exhibiting a different sense of humour, occupying different corners of the internet, spending time on different apps and social networks. it was a weird feeling for sure. I'd be fine with it if it weren't a constant reminder of how I peaked physically at 22 or 23 and it's all downhill from here.
when I piss, I have to reach under my balls and press my gooch to squeeze all of the piss out, real old man feel

>>17338713
You're probably ugly. I don't know. I can't really help you based off this little info

I'm 23, don't have a single real friend and never had a relationship.
I just want to kill myself, but my family would be hurt and I'm scared to die. It all feels terrible
All I want is to walk around at night, the wind to grab me and have my body just burst apart into a cloud of snow

>>17336230
why don't you start by avoiding this board. you're boring.

>>17338443

>>17338768
I had a falling out at 19 with my friend group when i was 20 and didn't really talk to anyone until 24, and now i have a good group of friends. don't feel to low. life takes weird turns.

>>17339076
Never had a friend group myself
At this point I really don't think it's gonna work out for me

>>17339076
>life takes weird turns.
pls happen soon

>>17328452
Fuck advice. People are full of BS. 4chan is full of BS. Fuck them. Fuck fuck fuck them. Do your shit you are 25. That's it. And your own context. And its logical conclusion. I don't know. But seriously, what you have been told, most of it, needs more interrogation. Along this board. Your hands are full of shit. Wash them, but don't forget the smell. You dirty porcupines!

>>17339343
someone is mad lol

>>17339343

>>17339343
NO POMEGRANATES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlI8r3nNUVw

Jesus christ you guys are so lame.
I'm glad I stopped literature and philosophy.
I'm glad I took the dialectic materialism pill.

pop culture's obsession with youth trends make people over 20 feel old because they dont relate to the zeitgeist any longer. this is a consequence of people being detached from authentic traditional culture in favor of constant exposure to the pop culture which is meant to sell things to dumb impressionable kids

>>17339362
BS
>>17339390
Sheep Sheepie Sheep sheep
>>17339493
This is a private base.
>>17328452
Seriously OP develop your own ontologies, fuck letting other people put you under their boxes and telling you BS that is only valid in their own context. Examine what paradigms are you working from, be curious and know yourself. Otherwise other you will live off other peoples dreams or expectations. Fuck them. Fuck fuck fuck them.

>>17338716
>when I piss, I have to reach under my balls and press my gooch to squeeze all of the piss out
I've been doing this since I was 16.

>>17339561
>authentic traditional culture
Please provide an example of what you mean.

>>17339603
look man i just want to fuck a girl and have her tell me she cares about me instead of jerking off every night but that is too much to ask for in this world

>>17339622
folk culture, organic traditions, independent self produced art not made under contract by a large corporation or promoted by one

>>17339611
It was a mid 20s thing for me. as a teenager I could piss like a fucking waterfall, give it 2 shakes and zip up without worrying about the hose dripping.

ok, now it's getting a little bit dumb over here, but we had a great exchange of ideas and experiences. some are not ready for it yet

>>17338716
reaching under the balls is literally some trick I learned on 9gag when I was 10 lol? It's not some old guy thing.

>>17339629
Yes. Seek greater meaning beyond love and sex. If you are not destined to achieve this, that is fine. Find something else to pursue.

>>17329234
>read philosophy that most people get into when they’re 16

>>17328452
Read poetry!
Lorca, Cavafy, Mandlestam, Spenser, Merrill, Mallarme, ae housman, etc

>>17339654
how are these mutually exclusive? why wouldnt i be able to pursue some life goal and find a romantic partner?

>>17339653
yeah but I didn't have any need to do it when I was younger because there was no risk of piss dribbling into my boxers after tucking it back in.

>>17339656
you're embarrassing yourself right now but you just don't notice.

Read the book of life son and Don’t forget Garth Brooks-is a looser, traitor commie fag.

>>17328530
Never thought I could so closely relate to this, and the envy towards others' spontaneity, lack of assertiveness and uncompetitiveness did strike me, but whatever. I am willing to believe I can change my life around through taking chances and confronting the pain that will ultimately make me grow as a person, i.e. making more bold choices, become less compliant to the assumed wishes of others and keeping a steady discipline where I develop myself as an artist. I've always been an outsider, and that's never going to change, but at least I can attempt to attain personal equilibrium. I don't mind being reclusive, or at least living a solitary lifestyle, but I know that my sense of inferiority is crippling me and I don't have to live that way. One day, after this fucking pandemic, I will make my escape and travel the world, work low-paying jobs in warmer countries and enjoy life as I intend it to be. Maybe this is cope, but ignorance is bliss.

Oh now you are 25 you can never do things that 21 year olds who look exactly the same as you are doing.

>>17328530
Both of the ethics, standards and ideals apply to me. But who is to say whether something is amoral or even immoral just because it is illegal?

Didn't Murakami start writing in his late twenties? Aren't there many succesful people who started actively living their lives well into their twenties or even early thirties? If you think like a loser, you're gonna be a loser. Stop pitying yourself and grow some fucking balls.

>>17328452
Cope with being a weakling first. 25 is literally the mathematic golden ratio of male health and if you are so triggered by it s swift swipe across your throat with a bladed object might be the most expedient solution to your problems.

>>17340112
Murakami is a cutie in that regard. The way he tells it he never intended to be a novelist, and spent the greater half of his twenties as the caretaker for a bar. (Which sounds infinitely comfy btw, apparently his bar was cat-themed which is even more comfy.) One day he went to a baseball game in his late twenties and as legend holds, as someone hit a home run he had the equivalent in zen buddhism of a satori (my words not his). In that moment he felt that he must write at all costs. What a beautiful origin story.

>>17340404
Yes his bar was called Peter Cat.

>>17328530
are those just introvert personality traits lol

>>17337645
Underrated

>>17338716
>no longer in the loop with youth culture, that they were listening to different music, dressing differently, using different colloquial language, exhibiting a different sense of humor, occupying different corners of the internet, spending time on different apps and social networks
literally who fucking cares. Do not understand this obsession with "youth culture" Its just retarded shit made up by boomers to sell stupid shit to retarded kids who don't know any better. I realized it was all retarded when I was like 18. I'm 23 now and have zero interest in the ''''''''culture"'''''''''' of my fellow youth. I seriously cannot imagine anybody with a fully developed brain and actual interests/passions to languish their membership to the stupid circles of teenagers. Do you remember being 17? I would strangle 17 year old me if I met him. All of his opinions and ''''culture'''' was trash. They people under 21 shouldn't even be allowed to speak 99% of the time

>25 year olds think they are old
...what?

>>17329463
I don't like how I'm starting to believe in spirits near the tail end of 25 too.

>>17338205
>>17338380
Thanks anons. Just woke up, drank my cocoa, and I'm off. It's Electronics, so I figure if I just read the "Review Notes" they've set up, which is about 120 pages, then review them over and over, do some older exercises and the such, I'll be able to write a 6/10 and pass. I've just got to grind hard these 6 days.
>>17338436
Of course they know. Who do you think took me to the hospital all those times? They're just hicks who think it's all tough and I'm not studying properly instead of picking up that I'm doing nothing. But hey, it's their decisions that brought me here. I'm taking responsibility for being lazy after some point, but I kept following their advice and orders for more than 20 years now, and every single time things got worse. They never listened. If they had, I wouldn't be here. I would've already finished. So I don't feel bad about quasi-leeching off them. Until I'm done from Uni anyhow. I'm talking about special stupid people here
>saw that I had a fever
>too embarassed to call the doctor
>rush me to the hospital on Christmas Eve
>hospital barely working due to the holidays
>they dump me there for the night and I get worse
>doc comes and goes "it's defs a miningitis"
>parents freak out pin me to the wall and scream that I'm going to die in a few hours
>get a spinal tap
>doctor is a femoid and her femoid helper
>they can't find the spine
>get about 20 punctures
>I was just their lab rat
>lay immobile for two weeks
>can't even move my head because the fluid's missing
>have to piss in a bottle
>a crazy drunk escaped his bed and almost killed me before the nurse tackled him
>lost my exams
>lost a whole semester of studying and fell behind
>now have chronic back pain
>tfw I just had a cold
And that's the tip of the iceberg. They're unironic retards who scream and shout then put a facade of
>we just be workin for u, we be doin nothin for us, u be ungrateful
when you criticize them. They've ruined my academic years by forcing me to study things irrelevant to my direction. They stopped me from all kinds of sports then accused me of getting fat. They stopped me from hanging out with friends of 10+ years then accused me of being a friendless shut-in. They have been telling me to
>have sex
since I was 15. I had a lump in my balls that prevented me from sleeping for over a year, and they refused to let me see a urologist, saying I was just a virgin who needed to get laid. One time they blew up and gave me a rant of how I'd be sucking cocks on the street if I didn't become a doctor. And so on and so forth. This is my life. Every day. A pair of contradictory morons who burp, fart and scream on their phones 24/7, and then claim the moral high ground. But they support me with money, so I can't really say anything. They've micromanaged my life, took all the wrong decisions, never listened, and now ridicule me for everything.

So I don't much feel bad. I'm just sad I've been held back so many years. I need to get out of this...

>>17338572
I find that drugs tend to give you experiences you aren't prepared for yet.

>>17329414
Had some intense experiences interacting with powerful spirits I wasn't prepeared for at 18. I thought I was ready for stuff on that level but I was proven wrong.

>>17329465
I read a lot of Houellebecq when I got my first serious office job (26, now 28)
It helps to cope with the grim and ever disappointing aspects of the neoliberal way of life we are subjected to, if you are already someone pessimistic -- except Serotonin because the MC has a serious suicidal thoughts at the end but you shouldn't start with it because it's his worst book.
If you want a real blackpill, read Debord. I did when I was 22, understood the big picture and never recovered, still an alcoholic to this day.

>>17328499
Will girls accept a 25 year old virgin?
Just in case I should actually meet one...

>>17338716
> I was no longer in the loop with youth culture, that they were listening to different music, dressing differently, using different colloquial language, exhibiting a different sense of humour, occupying different corners of the internet, spending time on different apps and social networks.
What about if I was never in the loop? What about if I always felt like an outsider without a friend group to belong to? What if since I was 17 I would envy depictions of friendships in media, while my only "friend" at the time was someone living in a town an hour away who occasionally texted me on whatsapp only because we went to the same secondary school together, where the first interaction with him I remember was him making me cry when we were 11 because of how ugly I was, and the only reason I didn't tell him to fuck off later was because of how lonely I was? What if he enjoyed his highschool years with dozens of his own friends who were strangers to me while I woke up wishing I was dead on most days? What if I felt completely out of touch during the one time I heard my "friend" and his friends discussing snapchat when he invited me out with them out of pity? I'm turning 25 next month, the only reason I haven't killed myself is because I don't want to make my family sad. I wish my family could completely forget about me so I could kill myself without feeling guilt. The world is a horrible place.

>>17338716
> I was no longer in the loop with youth culture, that they were listening to different music, dressing differently, using different colloquial language, exhibiting a different sense of humour, occupying different corners of the internet, spending time on different apps and social networks.
I'm turning 25 next month. What about if I was never in the loop? What about if I always felt like an outsider without a friend group to belong to? What if since I was 17 I would envy depictions of friendships in media, while my only "friend" at the time was someone living in a town an hour away who occasionally texted me on whatsapp only because we went to the same secondary school together, where the first interaction with him I remember was him making me cry when we were 11 because of how ugly I was, and the only reason I didn't tell him to fuck off later was because of how lonely I was? What if he enjoyed his highschool years with dozens of his own friends who were strangers to me while I woke up wishing I was dead on most days? What if I felt completely out of touch during the one time I heard my "friend" and his friends discussing snapchat when he invited me out with them out of pity? The only reason I haven't killed myself years ago is because I don't want to make my family sad. I wish my family could completely forget about me so I could kill myself without feeling guilt. The world is a horrible place.

>>17328523
Yes we did, people who survived birth and infancy had a pretty long life. The average living age was low because of infant mortality.

>>17342248
wonder the same thing. am 25. not worried about being able to lie myself into bed just wondering if i should be honest if it comes up and if that honesty will immediately blow my chances.

>>17329465
I read a lot of Houellebecq when I got my first serious office job (26, now 28)
It helps to cope with the grim and ever-disappointing aspects of the neoliberal way of life we are subjected to, if you are already someone pessimistic -- except Serotonin because the MC has serious suicidal thoughts at the end but you shouldn't start with it because it's his worst book anyway.

If you want a real blackpill, read Debord. I did when I was 22, understood the big picture and never recovered, I don't watch music videos anymore.
Everything I experience is now tainted by commodity form. The city is all centered around the circulation of commodities. There is no escape.

One text I also like is Critique of Transcendental Miserablism by Nick Land: http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/008891.html
It's directly aimed at Mark Fisher and people who have sad theories about modernity in general (the authors aforementioned or Adorno, Cioran, Albert Caraco), those who tend to think "we can't do anything because everything is fucked and wicked" like me. It paints being a miserablism as being lame, and even though I disagree with his unapologetic ode to capitalism, I find it quite life-affirming.
Was reading that kind of stuff during lunch breaks then went back to being a normie corporate drone, fun times.

>>17342292
Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Nobody wants to be a part of your pity party but if you talk to them as disinterested human being's you'll see that they aren't all bad.

>>17338651
Yeah I'm aware that they really help a lot of people. I'm not against them it's just that they didn't really work for me.

>>17339653
based 9gag browser

>>17340375
but I unironically am in peak physical condition.
Running and lifting are one of the main things that got me out of depression in the first place

not exactly in peak mental condition though

I had more energy and got carded to buy alcohol and tobacco more often than when I was a sleep deprived and malnourished student in my 20s.
You probably fucked up your lifestyle, probably went drinking heavily while skipping meals habitually if you start 'feeling old' before your 30s.

>>17342309
That pic is the most pathetic thing I've read all month. Holy shit what a gigantic crying pussy.
>no free underwater basket weaving classes in the city centre also normie guys are all assholes hitting on girls like jocks instead of nice guys like me I never get powsy cuz capitalsim :(

>tfw turning 28 this year
>have an office job with an average pay
>never had a gf, kissless virgin
>learn Japanese and browse 4chan during my spare time
What should I at least achieve before I hit 30? I don't want any regrets. I got about less than 3 years.

>>17342303
I imagine I would have to be honest before the act because she will notice either way. But the older you get, the harder it will be to explain WHY you're still a virgin without giving off the impression that something is "wrong" with me.
ngl if I ended up in bed with a virgin in her late 20s I would be sceptical of her as well.

>>17342497
Yea I guess what you're saying is true. Although I'd be suspicious of a girl in her late 20s being a virgin, from the male perspective it wouldn't be a reason not to sleep with her, but I feel like from a female perspective not only is a guy who's 25 and a virgin suspicious, it might downright be a turn off because a sexually unsuccessful male is not attractive. Women like men who are desired and sexually successful.

I'm 33 and life has only got comfier and comfier.
Hated being in my 20s to be honest.

>>17342799
On the other hand, if you keep trying, you're bound to find a girl sooner or later who will sleep with you anyway. If she doesnt contact you again afterwards because she lost interest, who cares, because guess what, next time you get with a girl, you're no longer a virgin.

>>17338716
>a few months after my 26th birthday where it hit me that I was no longer in the loop with youth culture, that they were listening to different music, dressing differently, using different colloquial language, exhibiting a different sense of humour, occupying different corners of the internet, spending time on different apps and social networks.
does that really have much to do with age though? I've had this happen to me at 16; my sister started to unironically call me an old man (in a youths body) not long after. I thought most people browsing this board were like that.

>>17342829
Based. What do you do for a living?

>>17342449
I’m in your same spot except I have a gf but no job.

>>17342449
pretty much in the same situation but I'm still 24

>>17343029
It's hard to explain but my income is pretty passive.

I got rejected by a ton of women in my early 20s so I became a depressed drug addict and got deep into the MAGA movement and later white nationalism. I still managed to graduate college though.

>>17337387
Hello, I successfully crammed my way through a Physics and Maths degree so here is some valuable advice. 1. Get off of 4chan 2. Get off of the internet 3. Do not try and learn the entire syllabus in x number of days 4. Past papers (as many as possible) 5. Get into a normal sleep schedule before the exams, there is no point in being exhausted the day of your exam, there is a point where fatigue stems your ability to learn so don't do that. Good luck anon.

Fuck I'm over 30 am I one of the oldest here?

Gotta stop hanging out with young boys. I just can't seem to stop browsing here.

>>17342799
It's like wanting to make work experience but no company hires you if you have no experience.

>>17343632
Yea unfortunately.

>>17343279
nah you're good man.
Nothing wrong with browsing this place when you're a bit older.

There is something wrong if you're 30+ and browsing /b/ or /pol/ though, in that case you've got mental issues

>>17341065
I don't think there's any turning back Anon.

>>17344117
realtalk

>>17342799
literally just lie lmao that's what I did.

>>17343253
Thanks for the boost anon!

>>17342799
i agree with >>17346294
just depends on the phrasing, yadayada never had a real relationship it's been a while and so on
shoot me in the head i hate women