Amici /lit/erati, what are, in your opinions, the best ten films made to date? /tv/ seems to be full of idiots.

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Anonymous Sat Apr 23 07:37:14 2011 No.1720883 [Reply] [Original]

Amici /lit/erati, what are, in your opinions, the best ten films made to date? /tv/ seems to be full of idiots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 07:43:14 2011 No.1720888 Citizen Cane is great. I'm a huge Orson Welles.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 07:49:14 2011 No.1720891

Hm well I can't be best judge of the greatest films but I can say my favourites.

Gone with the Wind.
Take a pick from O Brother Where Art Thou or No Country For Old Men
Dr Strangelove
Take a pick from Pixar's The Incredibles or Toy Story series
Ping Pong (good Japanese film which is basically Rocky doing table tennis)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Pan's Labyrinth
The Pianist

Actually there are many, many more and I don't think I could rank them all.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 07:58:14 2011 No.1720900

I have reservations about saying these are the very best ever, but they do have a special place in my heart:

*Late Spring - Ozu
*Ordet - Carl Th. Dreiser (sp?)
*Winter Light - Bergman
*Saraband - Bergman
*Barton Fink - The Brothers Cohen
*Alice - Švankmajer
*The Idiot - Kurosawa (uneven work [like the original Russian novel] but Setsuko Hara's performance makes it unforgetable)
*Andrei Rublev - Tarkovsky (lots of Russian symbolism I don't understand but it sure looks cool).
*Notre Musique - Godard (Kinda hamfisted, but I appreciated the audacity of the "I'm old, so accept my obvious imagery of these Native Americans as victims of genocide or fuck go fuck yourself" feel to the film)
*Patlabor 2 - Oshii (extremely under-appreaciated film. Political thriller (1993) that not only anticipates the role terror would come to play in our contemporary socio-political order, but also transcends the genre to achieve one of the most profound meditations on the nature of the just war, the unjust peace of the 1990s, amoral economic exploitation, and the inevitable retribution that will result from it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 08:05:14 2011 No.1720908

OP here, shamelessly self-bumping.
Also, my list, in no particular order:
Bridge on the River Kwai
The Day of the Jackal
Patton
Cross of Iron
Lawrence of Arabia
Dances with Wolves
Schindler's List
Moon
La Règle du Jeu
The Pianist

Not absolute, but close enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 08:48:14 2011 No.1720938 I'm about to pander to you OP, contain your orgasms: The Tree of Wooden Clogs I Vitelloni Farinelli The Leopard And: La Dolce Vita Life is Beautiful

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 08:50:14 2011 No.1720941

>>1720900
>*The Idiot - Kurosawa (uneven work [like the original Russian novel] but Setsuko Hara's performance makes it unforgetable)
The uncut version would have been awesome. Very upset that it's lost.

But that is a beautiful story, and a beautiful film that reveals some of the depths of the story, so I like it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 08:53:14 2011 No.1720945 >>1720938 Not OP, but how does that pander to them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 08:58:14 2011 No.1720950 >>1720945 >Amici >Italophile

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:01:14 2011 No.1720955 >>1720938 OP here: Sorry to disappoint you, but I wrote thinking of Latin, indeed, the linguistic pater of Italian.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:03:14 2011 No.1720958 >>1720955 Why pater? Lingua isn't masculine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:04:14 2011 No.1720959 >>1720958 Hm, quite - I thought so just after posting it. Oh well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:19:14 2011 No.1720973 >>1720908 Those are some cool movies, but where the hell do you find girls that like those? Most of the ones I knew at university liked: The Hangover King Kong Star Trek etc.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:28:14 2011 No.1720985

In no particular order my absolute top 10:
Godfather Part II
Apocalypse Now
Glengarry Glen Ross
Before Sunrise
12 Angry Men
The King's Speech
Silence of The Lambs
Network
Shawshank Redemption
Blade Runner

Sorry if my taste in movies isn't very noble or sublime.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:41:14 2011 No.1720999 It's already impossible to make a top 10 of the last decade, so a top 10 of all time is meaningless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:43:14 2011 No.1721001 >>1720999 Not even just based on personal opinion?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:48:14 2011 No.1721005 >>1720973 >but where the hell do you find girls that like those? You'll find plenty of women pretending to like those movies in snobby hipster book clubs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:54:14 2011 No.1721011 >>1721005 Most of those liked: Eternal Sunshine Brick Broken Flowers Y Tu Mama Tambien (I think I misspelled that) Any Wes Anderson film to name a few

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:00:14 2011 No.1721020

Berlin Horse - Malcolm LeGrice
Yddrassil: Whose roots are stars in the human mind - Stan Brakhage
Bad Lieutenant - Werner Herzog
Riso Amaro - Giuseppe De Santis
Zorns Lemma - Hollis Frampton
Celestial Subway Lines - Ken Jacobs
Pierrot le Fou - Jean Luc Godard
Europa - Lars von Trier
Last of England - Derek Jarman
Celine and Julie go boating - Jacques Rivette
His Girl Friday - Howard Hawkes
Begone Dull Care - Norman Mclaren
Rainbow Dance - Len Lye
Napoleon vu par Abel Gance
Corridor - Standish Lawder

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:03:14 2011 No.1721024 >>1721020 yeah finding girls who are into a lot of this kind of stuff is a gazillion times harder I assure you all I also forgot to add Venom and Eternity by Isidore Isou and maybe something like Rabbit's Moon by Kenneth Anger

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:06:14 2011 No.1721028

Do not go to /tv/ for anything film related.

My top 10 in no order:
A Clockwork Orange
Harakiri
Dr. Strangelove
The Graduate
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
The Jerk
Let The Right One In
Waltz With Bashir
Blow Up
The Party

I've got a thing for comedy. Those are my personal best, I can honestly watch these endlessly and draw something new each time I watch it. Judging the best overall would be too hard. I can say however that Kubrick is the best filmmaker from the second half of last century, he does things visually that no one else does, he also never made a bad movie IMO.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:09:14 2011 No.1721033

Well, can't really do a top ten, but I want to propose some contenders:

Synecdoche, New York (best work of Kauffman, you could add some other movie written by him, but I feel it's all compile in this one)
Trakovsky's Solaris (I saw some Tarkovsky already in some post, no need to have more than one but I really prefer this one over most of his stuff)
Ghost Dog/Limits of Control (or some other Jarmusch, not all his stuff is good)
The Last One by Murnau (light years ahead of the more well know Nosferatu)
Reservoir Dogs (or maybe Pulp Fiction)
Until the End of the World (the supreme sci-fi/road movie)
Pierrot le Fou (or some other old Godard as long as it isn't La chinoise)
Naked Lunch
Sans Soleil (really good nouvelle vague documentary, great stuff)
The Good, The Bad, The Ugly (come one, you know this to be true)

>>1720900
Great to see some Ozu, he doesn0t get the love he deserves. But Godard has gone a bit too burgoise for my taste...

>>1720973
While those pictures you mentioned aren't really that bad. Any girl who puts then as the best films ever made doesn't deserve any kind of attention in my books.
But I'm of those guys who like to talk in bed in the morning, so I don't expect most people to care about that stuff in just another girl...

>>1720985
Dude, those aren't bad movies (I'm with you in the Godfather 2 being the best one, but the other two are quite strong films). Now a days it isn't really expected to expand your movie tastes outside of the US, you'd find good stuff if you tried, but it's not as if it were your fault or anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:12:14 2011 No.1721034 Citizen Kane 8 1/2 Rashomon Persona Alien Dr. Strangelove Amelie The Fountain Loves of a Blonde Stalker Some random films off the top of my head.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:16:14 2011 No.1721042

So much good taste (in my book) in this thread!

>>1721011
Y tu mamá también, it was fine for your keyboard.

>>1721028
Great selection, man. Nice to see some animation (Baltz is animation, isn't it?). Now that I think about it there should be some Akira in here.

>>1721020
Great selection, you too, anon. Nicely equilibrium there. That Napoleon is the old one b&w one? The one meant to be screened with three projectors, I mean.
There was some Herzog needed, is really Bad Lieutenant that good?
Also, Jacobs is an acquired taste. Good for you for liking it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:19:14 2011 No.1721044

>>1721034

But I shall elaborate as best I can:

Citizen Kane - Genius of editing, cinematography, pioneering approach to narrative, depth of character, mixed media etc...

8 1/2 - Just fucking brilliant, that scene at the end at the fairground with the discussion about the role of art pretty much hits the spot perfectly.

Rashomon - First film featuring subjectivity of characters, interweaving different narratives. Now commonplace feature in most movies.

Persona - I could have picked any of a number of Bergman, but this one stayed with me longest. Great analysis of changing psychology and identity.

Alien - Otherness, fear of the unknown, still feels so fresh. Great performances and dialogue.

Dr. Strangelove - Dialogue, absurdist touches, great satire.

Amelie - This doesn't deserve to be here, but it's still one of the best films of the past 20 years.

The Fountain - Likewise, but I seriously hope more films with the vision of this movie get made in the future. Artists nowadays seem to have plenty of imagination, but lack meaningful imagination.

Loves of a Blonde - My favourite film, no other reason for putting it here, it's not ground-breaking by any stretch of the imagination.

Stalker - See 'The Fountain' comment.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:19:14 2011 No.1721047

>>1721034
8 1/2 was SO missing here!
And Rashomon was sort of needed, some Kurosawa jidaigeki is nice. A friend of mine is trying his luck adapting another story from the same book as we speak.

Fuck there are too many to even remember all of them all the time. You just can't do a top 10 without forgeting stuff, OP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:20:14 2011 No.1721048 >>1721042 Fuck yeah, Herzog!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:20:14 2011 No.1721050 File: 39 KB, 289x303, wat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > mfw you find better film recommendations in /lit/ than /tv/ I suppose it makes sense.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:26:14 2011 No.1721057

>>1721044
You really liked Loves of a Blond? I just failed to see the appeal, yeah czech nouvelle vague. I don't know.
And Rashomon didn't do much more than what The Stagecoach started almost two decades before, mixed with the original short sotry. Not sure if it deserves the place as much as some Mizoguchi stuff a few years later with his new jidaigeki now that I think about it...

Would adding some Mike, as in Ichi The Killer, be in bad taste?

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:29:14 2011 No.1721060
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>>1721050
/tv/ has some good recommendations when it comes either to a tripfag you can trust (there are like 2 composed by 4 guys in my case) or a very specific subject (pic related, it's a really nice selection without any evident inclination in genre or style)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:31:14 2011 No.1721063 File: 51 KB, 300x301, J_VR.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >/tv/ Who in the hell asks /tv/ for advice?

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:32:14 2011 No.1721064

>>1721057

Well, I watched Loves of a Blonde with my ex, so my opinion may be made biased by happy memories. I like Forman a lot though, Amadeus and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest are other favourites of mine (though I'm not a massive fan of his other Czech films). Ignore this from the list, it's just a personal favourite. I haven't seen The Stagecoach btw, will do.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:40:14 2011 No.1721073

>>1721064
It's so-so by our standards, but was not only one of the first movies that worked with complex characters and their development through the story in american cinema, but IT BROUGHT JOHN WAYNE TO THE A-CLASS WESTERNS!!

A lot of those first talkies are REALLY good. Blackmail, The blue angel (translating from translation, if you care I can google a little bit and find the american title), M. Great stuff all around.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:45:14 2011 No.1721075

>>1721042

Yeah I got pretty lucky with Gance's Napleon, as one of my tutors at uni did his entire Phd on it and basically made his own restoration on DVD for research purposes, including ALL currently discovered footage from around the world, which is quite a bit more than any of the last major official restorations feature, then he screened it for us. Hardly anyone turned up so I'm one of maybe 10 people max to have seen so complete a version since the premiere in 1927.

Also to that guy saying Kubrick 'does stuff no one else has done visually' and is 'the best film-maker of the last half of the 20th century', you really need to just like, google some of these names >>1721020

please

Kubrick was pretty good narrative director, but he didn't re-invent the wheel or do anything spectacularly interesting

and no this isn't just, like, my opinion maaaan. there are so many categorically, objectively better/more interesting/more original/more talented/more radical film-makers throughout cinema history who have been systematically ignored because no one looks outside the tiny little box that Hollywood and the AFI try and trap everyone under

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:46:14 2011 No.1721076 Pretty good list all over, looks like there are peeps in this thread I'd actually be able to hold conversation with.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:51:14 2011 No.1721082

>>1721075
Oh, God. I envy you so much... Tons of stuff is lost to time, little people seem to know that there is no complete version of Metropolis, or about Einsestein's american stuff (eternally lost inside of other movies). Film history is a bitch.

And don't get that mad about the Kubricfag. He did do a great job of abusing Hollywood to make whatever he wanted, so that gives him points.

>>1721076
Then converse, my good man.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:52:14 2011 No.1721084

Melancholia by Lars Von Trier [saw it about ten minutes ago. Rocketed to my number one spot. Dayum.] It may just be a knee-jerk reaction, but im gonna say it's better than Europa.
No Country For Old Men. Scariest movie I have ever seen, and not because of the killing. I have never seen a movie that has made me feel so tense before.
Gone with the Wind
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, because westerns.
Pan's Labrynth
The Incredibles [Cars is getting a sequel before this? CARS!? I thought the eleven years before TS3 proved they weren't cash whores.]
The Wrong Man/Lucky Number Slevin. The BEST action movie ever.
The Prestige, because Nikola Tesla and David Bowie.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Rango

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:52:14 2011 No.1721085 >>1721075 Challenge accepted, I have seen some works by most of that list though not any director extensively. Kubrick just consistently gives me a hard-on, though I can't disagree with what you said, I stand by the fact he never made anything bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:57:14 2011 No.1721089 File: 1.19 MB, 2200x2529, fa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1721060 /tv/ can occasionally give good recommendations, yes.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:00:14 2011 No.1721091

>>1721084
Tension? In an american movie? My friend, you lack some japanese shit in your life.
I highly recommend Noriko's Dinner Table just for the last act. God, I wanted to scream or something when sorry, not telling you. Really, watch it.

Good to see so much love for Leone. Has anyone here seen The Good The Bad The Wierd? It made me love korean mainstream movies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:02:14 2011 No.1721093 >>1721089 I fail to see the theme in that collection. And why isn't The lives of others in the fascist part? It's like the whole point... What theatrical poster for Blow-Up (another movie that we forgot) is that? It looks like animu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:05:14 2011 No.1721095 Woah, hold on a second? What's with the Kubrick hate? Sure he's overrated compared to many other mainstream-unknowns, but he was a genius nonetheless. He had his own vision and pursued it, successfully. I see no problem with this.

>>	Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR Sat Apr 23 11:09:14 2011 No.1721103 File: 76 KB, 400x900, essential cinema by decade.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:09:14 2011 No.1721104

I'm just throwing down my favorites.

Casablanca
Charade
The Prestige (I know it didn't follow the book, but I still loved the movie)
Airplane!
Twelve Angry Men
The Departed
Slumdog Millionaire
Pan's Labyrinth
Gone with the Wind
Rock n Rolla (because it was entertaining as hell)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:10:14 2011 No.1721105 >>1721093 Tis a 60's british film, live action. That's not the actual poster but it refers to events within the film. Antonioni film from what I remember.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:12:14 2011 No.1721110

>>1721103
Ehhh... yeah, I guess that's a nice list.
It's sort of american centered from 1920-1940, more than it should be at least. And a decade by decade list isn't as good as one of movement by movement.

Also, why the sage? You pretty well know that all your threads turn into troll threads and you don't sage there.

pinkmoon Sat Apr 23 11:17:14 2011 No.1721114

The Legend of 1900
One Flew Over a Cuckoo's Nest
12 Angry Men (of course)
Pan's Labyrinth
Doctor Strangelove
Lolita (Kubrick)
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
The Godfather I and II
Big Fish
Doctor Zhivago

I don't see how Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind deserves to be on this list, ever. I mean, sure, I understand, you boys need to feed your oestrogen once in a while, but really?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:17:14 2011 No.1721116 >>1721105 Yeah, yeah. Sort of based in a short story by Cortazar. It's just that I'm used to the red poster.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:22:14 2011 No.1721118 >Top 10 films A Clockwork Orange Trainspotting The Third Man The Good, The Bad and the Ugly Vertigo No Country for Old Men Children of Men Rocky The Big Sleep Saturday Night and Sunday Morning

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:29:14 2011 No.1721134 >>1721084 First 5 were listworthy. lol what happened after that?

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:33:14 2011 No.1721139

>>1721104
You liked Rock and Rolla more than Snatch??

>>1721114
Eternal Sunshine was a perfect mix between Kauffman autoanalisis and Gondry's cuteness. You had Big Fish in there, I don't see how you can judge (not saying it was a bad movie, but far of the best ten evuuur).

>>1721118
Children of men is another one that deserves a high spot and hasn't been named as far as I remember.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:35:14 2011 No.1721143 >>1721118 Very good list, we were lacking some British kitchen sink stuff. I prefer Billy Liar personally though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:36:14 2011 No.1721146 >>1721118 Also, The Third Man in particular is a very worthy addition.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:36:14 2011 No.1721148 >>1721143 I've not seen Billy Liar. I've seen a Taste of Honey and Look Back in Anger. I'll have to get round to it later.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:42:14 2011 No.1721159

Personal top ten:

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Goodfellas
The Godfather Pt. II
2001: A Space Odyssey
12 Angry Men
JFK
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
Se7en
Contact
Unforgiven

OP: sadly you could do much worse than ask /tv/. Just look at IMDb's top ten.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:44:14 2011 No.1721164

>>1721134
I started reading other people's lists and my inner comic book-reading, fart joke-partial, Stephen King-tolerating manchild started resenting all the wanky literature movies. I apologise haha.

Except for Rango. I stand by Rango till the bitter end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:47:14 2011 No.1721169 La Grande Illusion should be up there somehow. Bloody brilliant film - it's like The Great Escape, only, better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:49:14 2011 No.1721171 >>1721169 *somewhere

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:49:14 2011 No.1721172 The Warriors. Repo Man. Casablanca. The Maltese Falcon. Aguirre. Blade Runner. Big Trouble in Little China. The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension! The Searchers. Die Hard.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:51:14 2011 No.1721175

>>1721146
Agreed. Graham Greene's script, all the great performances by various actors, Welles with perhaps the greatest entrance in cinematic history, the incredible photography, and the never equalled music add up to number one English language film in my opinion.

>>	STING !RY1S1Jy5MA Sat Apr 23 12:02:14 2011 No.1721203 Not necessarily my personal favourite films. Metropolis Battleship Potemkin Citizen Kane The Bicycle Thief Jules et Jim 2001: A Space Odyssey The Godfather Raging Bull Magnolia Synecdoche, New York

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 12:12:14 2011 No.1721213 Come and See Fanny and Alexander Rosemary's Baby 2001

>>	Yuppie, ♥ !Trapsje/4o Sat Apr 23 12:16:14 2011 No.1721222 Some are not my favorite but I believe they are among the best ever: Ikiru The Good, The Bad & The Ugly Citizen Kane The Godfather 12 Angry Men Taxi Driver The Matrix Goodfellas Pan's Labyrinth Shawshank Redemption

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 12:23:14 2011 No.1721233 File: 9 KB, 232x199, 1299445070140.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ctrl+f >no Rear Window

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 12:42:14 2011 No.1721257 Mulholland Drive The Fountain Inception Juliet of the Spirits 8 and a half

>>	Looshin Sat Apr 23 12:44:14 2011 No.1721260 Why don't I see "The Day of the Jackal" mentioned more than one time?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 12:47:14 2011 No.1721263 slacker kids gummo clerks fubar

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 12:51:14 2011 No.1721266 >>1721263 army of darkness goonies manic hackers heathers

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 12:52:14 2011 No.1721268 >>1721266 >>1721263 squid and the whale... ok im done i swear

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 13:00:14 2011 No.1721271 >>1721268 Isn't that the movie where m00t loses his virginity and everyone's a philistine? It's very Kafkaesque.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 13:02:14 2011 No.1721273 >>1721271 m00t is a fuckin g

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 13:12:14 2011 No.1721290
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1. Satantango - Tarr
2. Safe (1995) - Haynes
3. The Sacrifice - Tarkovsky
4. Secret Sunshine - Lee
5. Persona - Bergman
6. Ordet - Dreyer
7. Love Streams - Cassavetes
8. Pride and Prejudice (2005) - Wright
9. Close-Up - Kiarostami
10. Days of Heaven - Malick

Order is almost entirely interchangeable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 13:18:14 2011 No.1721295 >>1721290 We seem to have simillar tastes! Going to check out your number one there, not familliar with it. I love (most of) the rest of your list.Thank you!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 13:35:14 2011 No.1721327 Reservoir Dogs Goodfellas Taxi Driver Shawshank Redemption The Godfather Fight Club The Italian Job Full Metal Jacket A Clockwork Orange Platoon

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 13:37:14 2011 No.1721329 >>1721271 No meat-touching, ma'am

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 13:50:14 2011 No.1721346

judgment at Nuremberg
day of the jackal
Spartacus
soylent green
Dr strange love
all quiet on the western front(1930 version)
being there
the great escape
the sand pebbles
graveyard of the fireflies

all great films, no particular order just my 10 favourites

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 13:59:14 2011 No.1721353
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I thought Doubt was a sick movie, because it never fully explains what happens, & there are enough hints in the dialogue & even the cinematography that you can make a strong case for either outcome. Me & the ladyfriend spent an hour or so discussing it drunkenly.

(Philip Seymour Hoffman is a real creepy guy, though.)

>>	Landon !!nBqZl5bQBVO Sat Apr 23 14:09:14 2011 No.1721357 Synecdoche, NY Inglourious Basterds Spirited Away Inland Empire Pan's Labyrinth Ghost in the Shell (1&2) Southland Tales Millenium Actress The Matrix Requiem for a Dream

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>>	Landon !!nBqZl5bQBVO Sat Apr 23 14:19:14 2011 No.1721369 File: 7 KB, 191x234, Happy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1721362 >My Neighbor Totoro

>>	Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR Sat Apr 23 14:20:14 2011 No.1721370 File: 2.78 MB, 2224x4888, essential cinema.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1721103 >>1721103

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 14:32:14 2011 No.1721383 I haven't watched many films, so I have little critical sensibility regarding them, but my favourites are Auntie Mame, Educating Rita, Little Miss Sunshine, The Royal Tenenbaums, and The Virgin Suicides.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 14:32:14 2011 No.1721384

I love contemporary European and South Korean cinema as well as anything Lumet has ever touched. With a few other films in between. (Couldn't narrow it down to ten, sorry!)

La Haine (1995 - dir. Kassovitz)
Network (1976 - dir. Lumet)
Boksuneun naui geot (2002 - dir. Park)
Die Welle (2008 - dir. Gansel)
Goodbye Lenin! (2003 - dir. Becker)
American Beauty (1999 - dir. Mendes)
Dom za vesanje (1988 - dir. Kusturica)
När mörkret faller (2006 - dir. Nilsson)
Pulp Fiction (1994 - dir. Tarantino)
Caché (2005 - dir. Haneke)
Duck Soup (1933 - dir. McCarey)
Rear Window (1954 - dir. Hitchcock)
Survive Style 5+ (2004 - dir. Sekiguchi)
4 luni, 3 saptamâni si 2 zile (2007 - dir. Mungiu)
Irréversible (2002 - dir. Noé)
Das Leben der Anderen (2006 - dir. von Donnersmarck)
Opération lune (2002 - dir. Karel)
No Country For Old Men (2007 - dir. Joel & Ethan Coen)
Chugyeogja (2008 - dir. Na)
Dog Day Afternoon (1975 - dir. Lumet)
Four Lions (2010 dir. Morris)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 14:34:14 2011 No.1721387 >>1721383 Virgin Suicides = strange ass book. I wasn't one of those pretty, tragic girls in high school, so I didn't read it until recently. Have you read it? I dunno what to think about it yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 14:37:14 2011 No.1721395 >>1721387 Not yet. I lent it to a friend because I was reading The Picture Of Dorian Gray, but I'm psyched about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 14:46:14 2011 No.1721411 >>1721395 You're in for a treat, then. A very strange treat, like an everlasting gobstopper that also makes you depressed.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 14:47:14 2011 No.1721415

this is my personal list

1. Children of Men
2. Pulp Fiction
3. The Big Lebowski
4. Fight Club
5. Snatch
6. Layer Cake
7. Shawshank Redemption
8. The Mist
9. The Dark Knight
10. Gladiator
11. The Wrestler
12. REC
13. Sunshine
15. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
16. Inception
17. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
18. The Fountain
19. 28 Days Later
20. The Prestige
21. Taken
22. Saving Private Ryan
23. American Beauty
24. Donnie Darko
25. American Psycho
26. 2001: A Space Odyssey

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 14:50:14 2011 No.1721422 >>1721415 Some of those are kinda meh, but hell yeah Big Lebowski yeah.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:07:14 2011 No.1721446 Probably not the best, but they're all really good. World's Greatest Dad Little Miss Sunshine Back to the Future Man On Wire The Road Warrior The Fifth Element Tanpopo Yojimbo The Big Lebowski Falling Down

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:35:14 2011 No.1721479 Not sure if I'm being a Philistine, but shouldn't Titanic be there somewhere?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:39:14 2011 No.1721487 File: 16 KB, 554x493, 1298837726308.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1721479

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:46:14 2011 No.1721502 >>1721487 What?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:47:14 2011 No.1721506 File: 71 KB, 800x439, 800px-jurassic_park_screenshot_41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ctrl+f >Jurassic Park >no results Fucking hipsters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:55:14 2011 No.1721521 >>1721506 ...and I thought that I was Philistine because I like The Bride on the River Kwai.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:58:14 2011 No.1721527 > ctrl+f, "eight" >nothing, Oh nooooo >"8 1/2" >thaaaaannkkk godd

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:03:14 2011 No.1721537 Bladerunner is the only right answer

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:09:14 2011 No.1721544 File: 71 KB, 950x637, oldboy[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oldboy has to be on there somewhere

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:10:14 2011 No.1721548

Wow. The ten best of all time? I can't do that. Instead I'll post 10 films that have changed my perspective on storytelling and my conceptions of cinema. They may not be the best, but they've turned me onto more broad tastes.

10) Pulp Fiction by: Tarantino
9) Breathless by: Godard
8) Chinatown by: Polanski
7) Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind by: Gondry
6) A Tokyo Story by: Ozu
5) Vertigo by: Hitchcock
4) The Man With No Name trilogy by: Leone
3) It's a Wonderful Life by: Capa
2) The Shining (or Barry Lyndon or EWS or anything really) by: Kubrick
1) Apocalypse Now by: Copola

>>	NonsequiturBear !!UFPpi0sFoPR Sat Apr 23 16:16:14 2011 No.1721559 >>1721548 >Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind by: Gondry Overrated. A good movie, but overrated. And where the fuck are Bergman, Lynch, Lars von Trier, Gaspar Noe and Michael Haneke??

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:23:14 2011 No.1721566 >>1721559 Noe, Lynch, von Trier, and Hanake are no where near the likes of Bergman. the only list that would contain those four are a list of great directors post-2000, but compared to older "greats," those guys are above-average at best.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:24:14 2011 No.1721568 My fav director is Bela Tarr, lmao

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:32:14 2011 No.1721578

>>1721559

Guy whose list you quoted. I happen to have my perspective shifted more by the films that make me feel happy at the end rather than shocked or depressed. It's harder to pull off, at least as far as it concerns me, so when I feel rejuvenated about the bubbly parts in life I tend to give it more respect.

As far as the filmmakers you listed, I love Haeneke. He's got big balls to throw violence right back in the viewer's face. So, you like movies like Rambo and Die Hard and cheer when the bad guys die, eh? Well, how about I have my bad guy slice his throat on camera?

Noe is alright but he's only made two films and Enter the Void isn't a film I'd want to watch again. Nor is Irreversible, now that I think about it.

Von Trier and Lynch aren't really to my tastes, save for Inland Empire and Mulholland Drive.

Bergman is good but he makes looooong movies. I think someone listed Persona upthread. Wild Strawberries and Smiles on a Summer Night are pretty fun. Scenes From a Marriage is depressing but if I want couples in conflict I usually go with Godard's Weekend or something by Fassbinder.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:33:14 2011 No.1721582 >>1721566 What about Bela Tarr? hahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:36:14 2011 No.1721590 >>1721578 Eraserhead is a classic of cinema and perhaps one of the top 10 films ever created

Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ Sat Apr 23 16:36:14 2011 No.1721591

the last Bergman movie I saw was just fucking painful. the way it played out it was like the guy was sitting in his director's chair ticking off a checklist of obvious philosophical positions and "big" questions put forward scene-by-scene. Ugh.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:41:14 2011 No.1721598 >>1721590 Maybe, but I don't particularly care for it

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:43:14 2011 No.1721604 >>1721591 Are you talking about a specific film or are you just making fun of his films in general?

>>	Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ Sat Apr 23 16:57:14 2011 No.1721645 >>1721604 Last one I watched was Wild Strawberries.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:01:14 2011 No.1721655 >>1721645 Iknewit

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:05:14 2011 No.1721658

>>1721548
>>1721548

>polanski
>druged and sodomised a 13 year old girl while she screamed 'no, no'
>fled the country when he was put on trail
>still makes films and is defended by whole of hollywood ("but it wasn't 'rape rape'")
>his films are really not even that great

I would not mind if he was horrifically tortured and murdered and all his films were lost forever

>>	None !KPok7x0csI Sat Apr 23 17:07:14 2011 No.1721662 >>1721645 i know a guy thats read more philosophy than you and he really liked wild strawberries. im almost done with hume btw, thanks for the philobites podcast too i wouldnt have followed otherwise.

>>	NonsequiturBear !!UFPpi0sFoPR Sat Apr 23 17:09:14 2011 No.1721667 >>1721658 Crimes are not really wrong when done by white rich people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:10:14 2011 No.1721671 >>1721658 I wouldn't mind if Roman Polanski cut your torso open and used all of your organs as props in his next movie

doombear !YECnz2AuxY Sat Apr 23 17:11:14 2011 No.1721673

meh, too difficult to actually list the ten "best", cinema is too personal and sometimes too interwoven... but I'll take a stab at it, based on my own opinion.

Sword of Doom
Touch of Evil
Metropolis
The Seventh Seal
Eraserhead
Hard Boiled
Network
Dr. Strangelove (or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb)
Barton Fink
Conan the Barbarian.

Obviously, my list is colored by personal preferences, I cant imagine any other way to make a list like this without any further context.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:12:14 2011 No.1721677 >Ctrl + F Synecdoche >Mentioned three times >/lit/ confirmed for bros

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:16:14 2011 No.1721681
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>>1721548
>Bergman movies
>Good

As a swede im fucking ashamed he is the most famous director we have, the only reason he got big was that he showed stuff that was controversial at the time like rape and made all his movies about angsty grimdark shit when 90% of all movies being made were either romance or comedys.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:27:14 2011 No.1721691 Schindler's List Dr. Zhivago Lawrence of Arabia The Elephant Man (omglolDavid Lynch I know) I agree a lot with this >>1720908

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:33:14 2011 No.1721700 >>1721681 please take a crash course in litterature or something. There was MUCH more to Bergmans brilliance than the themes of his movies/plays. Seems like you'd also need to learn a bit about camera and filming.

>>	NonsequiturBear !!UFPpi0sFoPR Sat Apr 23 17:36:14 2011 No.1721706 >>1721700 >camera and filming. I shat a lot of bricks when I found out that Persona was filmed on 1966

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:39:14 2011 No.1721711
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Pale Rider
For a Few Dollars More
Dirty Harry
Hang 'Em High
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Mystic River
Unforgiven
Escape from Alcatraz
Gran Torino
Letters from Iwo Jima
>yfw there are two kinds of people in the world. Those who realize Clint is all the film you need, and those who dig.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:42:14 2011 No.1721717 Perhaps this one, Burden of Dreams. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xQyQnXrLb0

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 18:14:14 2011 No.1721777

In no particular order:
Eraserhead
Full Metal Jacket
A Clockwork Orange
The Shining
2001: A Space Odyssey
Gone With the Wind
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Metropolis/Blade Runner
M
Citizen Kane

Kind of a generic list (except for the Fritz Lang maybe), but I think it's true. Those are probably the films you're going to want to watch if you want to get into anything deeper than Disney.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 18:21:14 2011 No.1721794 High and Low Once Upon A Time In The West L.A Confidential Seven Samurai Paths of Glory The Trial (Welles) Le Samourai Le Mans The French Connection Aguirre: The Wrath of God

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 18:25:14 2011 No.1721803 >>1721777 actually, while those are all great films, the "deeper than Disney" thing makes it sound like it's not an entry-level list, which it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 18:26:14 2011 No.1721807 >>1721711 >Gran Torino >good shit, the one where he's the seret service agent protecting the president from Johm Malchovich is better then that dung.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 18:34:14 2011 No.1721818 I love these kinds of thread, but they turn to shit when people start attacking other people's lists as if a 'good film' is an objective thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 18:41:14 2011 No.1721833 >>1721803 But you have to admit, that kind of entry-level film means entry-level REAL film. And those classics are the first films you're likely to watch that will inspire you to watch something better than Disney.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 18:46:14 2011 No.1721848 >>1721818 It's more objective than you will ever know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 18:47:14 2011 No.1721856 >>1721833 I will indeed admit that, good sir.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 18:49:14 2011 No.1721864 File: 10 KB, 250x249, foucault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1721848 I'm a poststructuralist, so I very much doubt that!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 19:05:14 2011 No.1721903 I will try to mention 10 that haven't been mentioned Nosferatu/Cabinet of Dr. Caligeri Scanner Darkly The Thing Ginger Snaps The Crow The Bothersome Man I Heart Huckabees Lost Highway The Company of Wolves Videodrome

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 19:43:14 2011 No.1721982 Memento Heat Starship Troopers Jaws Mean Girls Dirty Harry Predator Anchorman Commentary Blazing Saddles Caddyshack

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 19:45:14 2011 No.1721990 The Thin Red Line is the greatest film ever made. The other nine are inconsequential.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 19:55:14 2011 No.1722012 File: 12 KB, 288x216, seashell-clergyman-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw entry level everywhere

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:09:14 2011 No.1722039 >>1722012 So deep. So edgy.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:10:14 2011 No.1722041

You guys are smalltime casuals. Film has existed before 1980 you know

Birth of a Nation (Revolutionary work at the time, indeed understands cinema better than a lot of film makers today)
Battleship Potemikn
Freaks
Fritz Langs M
Fantasia
Sunset Boulavard
Peeping Tom
Satyricon
Blade Runner
El Topo

And I don't even read literature

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:11:14 2011 No.1722043 >>1721990 The top 4 (soon to be 5) are all Terrence Malick, of course

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:13:14 2011 No.1722050 >>1722041 Not everyone is a film snob you know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:13:14 2011 No.1722051 >>1722043 Full word.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:14:14 2011 No.1722055 match point

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:16:14 2011 No.1722057

>>1721990

Thin red line was an unfinished jumble. The concept was nice but the execution sloppy and confused with itself, I wouldn't even put it up there with the best war movies out there. I think the biggest problem was the editing, there was no way Malick could have made a project that huge and cut it down to 3 hours

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:17:14 2011 No.1722061 >>1722041 Undergrad detected.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:18:14 2011 No.1722065 >>1722050 /lit/ can make fun of the stuff I'm reading, but don't think I'm gonna hold back my elitist attitudes when you step into my territory

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:19:14 2011 No.1722066 >>1722057 And on what basis do you pass this judgement? You "didn't like" the editing? Just because you can't assimilate something, doesn't mean it's not beyond you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:20:14 2011 No.1722073 File: 12 KB, 250x198, 250px-Sergei_Eisenstein_with_skull.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1722061 Your point being?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:22:14 2011 No.1722079 >>1722065 Nobody is making fun of the stuff you read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:24:14 2011 No.1722090 Point being; think for yourself, question authority.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:26:14 2011 No.1722099

>>1722061

Its hard to precisly bring the most important films in history down to 10. I choose among what I feel to be some of the most influential and critically aclaimed. My personal list is different though

Die Buchse Der Pandora
All Quiet on the Western Front
Duck Soup
Magnificant Ambersons
Strangers on a train
Tarkovskys the Mirror
Seven Samurai
Les parapluies de cherbourg
Once upon a time in the west (fuck the Leone haters)
Rosemarys baby
And of course Salo: 120 days of Sodom Just kidding

Just a few that have had a lasting impression on me

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:34:14 2011 No.1722126 Until you have seen Kzysztof Kieslowski's "A Short Film About Killing", you haven't seen a film. Followed right up by Thomas Moodison's "Lilya Forever". Educate, bitches.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:40:14 2011 No.1722137

>>1722066

I'm no editor but from my personal experiance, the narrative rambled on too long in too many places for any effective emotion. It has all these motiffs and themes running throughout its characters and visuals, it can't settle itself. Editing was not the issue, it was cutting that excess stuff off and making it more coherant to the viewer. It was understandable why many came out calling it an artzy fartzy indie affair, Mallick just aimed for an epic and didn't want to throw away all the stuff he wanted in it. Cost it though

Bitchin Cinematography though, would watch it again on Blu-ray for that

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:40:14 2011 No.1722141 File: 55 KB, 240x285, Sergei_Eisenstein.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1722090 >Doesn't realize it's possible that someone might legitimately admire the kinetic dynamism of Soviet montage on its own terms.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:49:14 2011 No.1722160

>>1722137

You're correct that the cinematography is epic in every sense. But you are incorrect in your assumption that the film has, in some way, been cobbled together.

The narrative voice-over which, unsurprisingly, ties the film together, is probably the greatest ever written. By itself, it is pure poetry. It doesn't even need images. But the images that accompany them, are truly magic.

The thing you (on behalf of the plastic critics you appear to represent ) fail to grasp is that intent of the film is to be imagistic, to be a "visual poem" if you like. Hence your accusation that it is in some way "jumbled".

Of course war, being the disjointed maelstrom of visceral sledgehammerism that it is, makes this structural decision all the more judicious and profound.

Classic Malick - he's not an MIT professor of philosophy for nothing!

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:49:14 2011 No.1722162
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>>1722141
>Doesn't realize it's possible that someone might legitimately admire the kinetic dynamism of Soviet montage on its own terms.
Yes, it had many admirers. I, for one, like this Kuleshov effect thing, look:

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:52:14 2011 No.1722170 >>1722141 "Kinetic dynamism". Pretentious undergrad will one day understand why using one word is better than two.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 21:28:14 2011 No.1722270

>>1722170
>Pretentious undergrad will one day understand why using one word is better than two.
you explain. I liked this coup de trol. we all understood it's the good old динамика but at the same time we were pierced by butthurt over the unspeakable amount of pretense

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 21:45:14 2011 No.1722297

>>1720883
That's because /tv/ is not to films what /lit/ is to literature.

In other words, they're reading Twilight.

I'm a big fan of Kubrick, Scorsese, Giliam and Berman. Some Tarantino is pretty good, but he is usually wasting his potential on making his movies "Badass".

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 22:10:14 2011 No.1722346 >>1722297 let them read twilight. we ain't readin anything. we, /lit/, are rejects who seek solace in unsubstantiated elitism.

>>	doombear !YECnz2AuxY Sun Apr 24 01:34:14 2011 No.1722784 actually, I must admit that my favorite David Lynch film is The Straight Story.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 04:39:14 2011 No.1723137 is it bad that i've never heard of half of these films?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 04:52:14 2011 No.1723153 >>1723137 Not really, they're all worth watching though. You might have to work your way up though since many of these can be quite dense particularly if your not used to reading films.

doombear !43I7g8HDIs Sun Apr 24 05:24:14 2011 No.1723197

>>1723153
film is a dense subject, but not as dense as lit. I suggest you watch what you like, and develop an honest interest in film outside of what you typically get to see. these sorts of lists are kind of disingenuous, in that people are trying to hash out objectively what is the best ever, and its a complete trap. genres, obviously, influence one another like movements. directors often speak with the same voice, their own, throughout their careers. also their is always the influence of the industry, and sometimes the creative struggle between the artists, and that industry.

when we get around to discussing the best genre films, specific to the genres that I like, I'll say more.

just find out what you like, and watch the fuck out of it.

>>	NH4NO3 !/J1QYpS5Eo Sun Apr 24 05:57:14 2011 No.1723238 Red Dawn Army of Darkness Mister Roberts High Plains Drifter The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly Platoon Inception Gone With The Wind Star Trek II: Thw Wrath of Khan 300

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 07:13:14 2011 No.1723323 >ITT hipsters trying to be d&e old films are overrated as fuck

>>	NH4NO3 !/J1QYpS5Eo Sun Apr 24 07:20:14 2011 No.1723329 >>1723323 Perhaps, but new films tend to be recycled garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 07:36:14 2011 No.1723341 Where's Lord of the Rings? Not trolling, those films are the ultimate cinematic achievement in terms of casting, scenery, visual effects, scope, soundtrack, etc. Those are the only films which I would say certainly belong on this list.

>>	doombear !YECnz2AuxY Sun Apr 24 07:50:14 2011 No.1723351 >>1723323 >doesn't get it.

>>	doombear !YECnz2AuxY Sun Apr 24 07:51:14 2011 No.1723354 >>1723329 I a million times this. I cant swing a dead cat without hitting a remake.

>>	Looshin !!0NWlcMjAuU2 Sun Apr 24 08:25:14 2011 No.1723393 >>1723329 >>1723354 There are, in fairness, more recent films which are just as good and original, if not more so, than some of the classics that have been praised in the thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 08:32:14 2011 No.1723403 1. Shichinin no samurai 2. Shichinin no samurai 3. Shichinin no samurai 4. Shichinin no samurai 5. Shichinin no samurai 6. Shichinin no samurai 7. Shichinin no samurai 8. Shichinin no samurai 9. Shichinin no samurai 10. The Magnificent Seven

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 08:44:14 2011 No.1723415 >>1721362 rolling!

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 08:47:14 2011 No.1723417

Hmm, this is very difficult. I'll just mention ten films I highly regard in no particular order.

- Days of Heaven - Terrence Malick
- Synecdoche, NY - Charlie Kaufman
- Fanny & Alexander - Ingmar Bergman
- Seppuku - Masaki Kobayashi
- Terje Vigen (or A Man There Was) - Viktor Sjöström
- 2001: A Space Odyssey - Stanley Kubrick
- The Fall - Tarsem Singh
- Man Tänker Sitt - Henrik Hellström, Fredrik Wenzel
- The White Ribbon - Michael Haneke
- La Haine - Mathieu Kassovitz
- Valhalla Rising - Nicolas Winding Refn

Not super-original, but I just recently found a real interest in cinema.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 08:52:14 2011 No.1723421 >>1723417 You're like the personification of the words "pretentious hipster"

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 08:56:14 2011 No.1723422 >>1723421 He's not being pretentious unless he's assigning judgement values to his tastes, he's just giving an honest answer. As for hipster, he'd probably be posting on /mu/, or else sucking DFW's dick.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 08:57:14 2011 No.1723423

>>1723421

I still don't know what the word "hipster" means in this context. Pretentious? I was mentioning films I like (to get more people to watch and enjoy them, hopefully), but suggesting that some of them might be well known (seeing the surprisingly high level of knowledge of the medium apparent in this thread), and that the list didn't bring that much new to the table.

"Terje Vigen" and "Man Tenker Sitt" might not be well known though, they are both beautiful in very different ways!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 08:59:14 2011 No.1723424 >>1723421 Using the word hipster on an anonymous board is ridiculous

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 09:07:14 2011 No.1723429 >>1723424 Do you know anonymous? Probably not, they're pretty underground.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 09:12:14 2011 No.1723434 File: 10 KB, 353x318, 1298090705976.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw Painter hasn't been posted. You guise don't know anything about real films. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3145996970602325024#

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 09:12:14 2011 No.1723435 >>1723429 So based on one statement, you'll metonymically draw a conclusion about the entire character of the poster? You're basically saying condecention + arrogance = hipster parts for the whole mythology at work, voila!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 09:17:14 2011 No.1723445 File: 14 KB, 240x361, hah.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1723435 >metonymically >condecention >misusing words, the etymologies and meanings of which he clearly doesn't understand.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 09:21:14 2011 No.1723448

Why has Synecdoche, NY been mentioned so much? Seriously, I think it is the weakest of all his works. He didn't do a bad job of directing but not a great one. I kind of feel this one is meh at best and I'd rather watch any of his other stuff, I might be able to watch two of them in that space of time as well, I really felt it could have been a whole lot more concise. I don't understand the love for this film.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 09:31:14 2011 No.1723470 >>1723448 it's bjoodiful

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 09:35:14 2011 No.1723472

Wow. This thread got big. I guess I'll throw in my two cents too, although I won't give a list of my ten best films ever made, I'll just tell you my favourite: Harold and Maude. I love every scene in that movie, every line, every song. To me it's absolutely perfect.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 10:12:14 2011 No.1723493 >>1723448 I think it's difficult to get away with narrative surrealism, few others have been able to do it as well as he and Lynch

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 14:17:14 2011 No.1723835 >>1721370 >>1721370 >>1721370 >>1721370 >>1721370 >>1721370 THERE IS'NT REQUIEM FOR A DREAM. shit list.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 14:23:14 2011 No.1723855

>>1723448
Kauffman tends to always talk about the same, always analyzing minds that are surprisingly similar each other and probably his own. In that sense synechdoque goes beyond the rest.
It also has it's own sense of humor and tragedy, which wouldn't work in most movies.

It's an original work, even with the obvious conections with everythign kauffman ever did since grade school. And presents an interesting analysis of the way life works from an extrange perspective.
It also does a great use of absurdist subplots and cinematic storytelling.

>>1723835
I didn't read the list since most list I've seen outside of /co/ suck. But Requiem isn't a good movie, Pi kicks Requiem ass all day every day.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 14:52:14 2011 No.1723905

>>1720883
Cranks 1 and 2 take my number one slot for reasons I probably don't need to describe (they are the perfect movies), the rest in no particular order:

Ratcatcher was just a great film but what really struck me was the cinematography/direction. The imagery was crazy powerful.

Ghost in the Shell, it doesn't even matter that it was animated. I admit the dialog was more like a monologue, heavy, and lazy writing but that, its weakest point, is not even all that weak.

A Clockwork Orange. This makes the list not only on the strength of the film but the fact that it is one of the only times where I preferred the movie adaptation to the book, I even read the book first.

Drunken Master 'cause fuck the haters, Jackie is rad.

Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure/Back to the Future They count as one because I can't decide which was more awesome.

The whole of Evangelion, TV + Movies because you can't seperate the two. This actually takes my number one slot with Crank as it is the only thing I have watched where it only gets better the more I watch it or think about it. Simply the best.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 14:54:14 2011 No.1723910

Wow, this thread really grew since yesterday. But just reading lists isn't as fun as disusing stuff with people.
I loled at the Kulejov shooting Einsestein.

>>1721568
>>1721582
You like dem 5 hour movies, boy?

>>1722041
Dude, most of those have been mentioned, although many outside of lists. Most of what you have mentioned is entry level film history, although El Topo was a nice call, not sure if it was mentioned before.

Also, Freaks was the Hostel of its time. You know it's true.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 14:58:14 2011 No.1723919

>>1723905
The evangelion movies came because they wanted more money. You have to accept that the original script was changed to end how it ended, the story was changed many times during the series and you aren't complaining about that.

Original ending is the only ending.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:02:14 2011 No.1723927

Are you dumb or just misunderstanding me?

The movies were made because they ran out of money to tell the story they wanted to in the original series, hence the fucked up last episodes. End of Evangelion was the ending Anno wanted to have, the series ending (though canon) was the one made due to monetary motivations.

If you are talking about the Rebuild movies then yes, those were for money. Personally, the two that were released so far were weak and the lazy cg animation was inexcusable considering their movie budget. Not bad, but disappointing.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:04:14 2011 No.1723933

>>1721559
Pi is nice too, but not better. In my opinion there is not a film which make so art with music as Requiem for a dream, although Pi do one of the best sound uses too.

It's also, at the same time, one of the most traumatic and deepest films I ever watched, a kind of movie that finish and gets you paralized on couch. It shows the way how all dreams become broken, drugs are just a medium to show the process

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:07:14 2011 No.1723936

>>1723919
Also yes, I am not complaining about the changing script, in fact I never even mentioned it. A change in the script is not a bad thing, in fact if it results in something as amazing and successful as Evangelion I would say it was a good thing. I don't see how this can be used as a criticism against people who view Eva positively.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:13:14 2011 No.1723947

>>1723927
I had heard that the change at the ending of the series came because Anno had had a depressive breakdown or something. (He tends to just drop stuff anyway, he already had dropped a series 3 or 4 episodes before finishing it, so at least he did something.)

>>1723933
I felt the other way around. There was too much antidrug message as to care about anything. I saw no dreams, and after the first half I saw no characters but excuses to keep the story going.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:19:14 2011 No.1723958

>>1723947
Anno was depressed throughout the making of Eva, the biggest change came about between End of Eva and the new Rebuild films (hence the drastic change in tone/themes).

If you are talking about the change that happened about midway through the series, that was mainly due to budget restraints. While they tried to balance the psychological aspects of the show with the more action oriented monster of the week parts, they burned through their budget too quickly and had to put the emphasis on the psychological because animating fights was too expensive. While this might not have been entirely intentional, I think it worked out for the best.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:21:14 2011 No.1723960

>>1723936
If I may add: the tv ending for evangelion was known to be under budget constraints, however, the creators and staff felt it was still a very truthful conclusion, despite the fact that they ditched the plotline.
In Japan, most of the viewers (and the demographic ranged quite a bit) found it adequate. It was only the "fans" that were disappointed and so 2 weeks after, Hideaki Anno announced the new movie.

Also yes, EoE is an astounding work of animation. Also Grave of the Fireflies.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:22:14 2011 No.1723964

>>1723958
>While they tried to balance the psychological aspects of the show with the more action oriented monster of the week parts, they burned through their budget too quickly and had to put the emphasis on the psychological because animating fights was too expensive. While this might not have been entirely intentional, I think it worked out for the best.

Are you sure? The psychological aspect was the major theme of the entire series, starting on episode 1. The action and mecha were only secondary to that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:24:14 2011 No.1723971 >>1723947 They were all more addicted to their dream that to drugs, addicted with an obsessive idea and missing the present. And the best, this happens everyday in real life.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:25:14 2011 No.1723973

>>1723964
No, no. It's actually known that the most religious related thing that was going to be there was the explotions and the name of the bad guys, and the psychology was gonna be "I have to show daddy I'm the best" and some tsundere girl. But it changed as any show Anno makes because he's sick in the head in a good way.

Also, to add to the lists: Love and Pop, live action by Anno. It's pretty good.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:27:14 2011 No.1723977

>>1723960
I felt the same way, about the series ending I mean.

I didn't mean to say it wasn't a truthful conclusion, only that if there was an ending that was motivated by money, as the other poster stated, it would be the series conclusion, something which does not necessarily detract from its quality. My only criticism would be that without the context given with End of Eva it is too ambiguous to be meaningful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:29:14 2011 No.1723984 >>1723977 >Ambiguous >Not meaningful What? You like things neatly ordered and happy at the end?

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:32:14 2011 No.1723992

>>1723973
tbh, first thing i thought was, "are you trolling me?"

Second episode was the first mention of "hedgehog's dilemma" and for the first part of the series, tension was built upon Shinji's inadequacy and struggle to please his father. The emphasis on the character's complexes was more so than any of the fighting since the outcome of each battle was a change or revealing of character's mentality.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:32:14 2011 No.1723993

>>1723964
Yes, the psychological themes of the show played a major role since the very beginning but I would also argue that, because Eva was ultimately a commercial venture, the combat played an equally large role. Even if the combat was secondary in the creator's intentions it still had a large presence.

I don't think this detracts from the psychological focus at all, in fact I think they interweaved these aspects very well because it never entirely like just the one or the other.

>>1723973
The only people still hung up on the specific religious iconography are those who haven't watched the series critically.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:36:14 2011 No.1724002

>>1723984
No, in fact I often prefer more open ended conclusions, but there was a clearly intentioned context with which the creators made the last 2 episodes, a context that until End of Eva was released no one but them knew. Without that canonized context any interpretation would be less meaningful as it would be established without seeing the whole picture.

That's what I meant.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:40:14 2011 No.1724011

>>1723993
>Eva was ultimately a commercial venture, the combat played an equally large role. Even if the combat was secondary in the creator's intentions it still had a large presence.
I would add that the creators were sci-fi and action enthusiasts, they only did what they know how to do best. Besides that, I agree.

>I don't think this detracts from the psychological focus at all, in fact I think they interweaved these aspects very well because it never entirely like just the one or the other.
The two parts can stand on its own so well that one could enjoy only the action or drama while ignoring the other, and still be entertained. However, its very rare to see them interwoven and complementary to one another in such a way that doesn't sacrifice part of the other. That is something the director does very well with.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:44:14 2011 No.1724022

>>1723992
Daddy issues =/= complex psych.
I mean, Azuka's mother stuff and Touji's quasi dead (was it toujihis name?)with shinji's break out and daddy being a bitch, and Misato's breakdown, and Reai II learning to care just to forget it when III came.
All that stuff wasn't planned, that's what I meant.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:48:14 2011 No.1724032

>>1724002
By ambiguity of context, do you mean how it was unclear how the series progressed from ep. 24 into the last episodes? Its understandable, it was a very abrupt turn, but its fairly easy to realize that they are detached from the storyline and reflecting upon it in a metaphysical way.

Still very confusing admittedly. IMO, EoE provides a complementary angle to the "same conclusion" that both endings were trying to achieve.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:49:14 2011 No.1724036

>>1724022
Regardless of whether they were "planned", a claim I would disagree with, (and a silly claim at that, animation does not spontaneously appear) they happened and happened convincingly, and gradually, enough that you couldn't tell from just watching the series.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:51:14 2011 No.1724048 File: 328 KB, 427x393, prison mike.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No one has mentioned There will be blood?

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:53:14 2011 No.1724050

>>1724022
>Daddy issues =/= complex psych.
I was referring to complex not complexity.
and if "Daddy issues" aren't complexes, then what are?

>All that stuff wasn't planned, that's what I meant.
Seeing as arguing over this requires covering pretty much the entire span of the series, all I have to say is:
They progressed the same core theme that ran throughout the series. I can only advise you to watch it again.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 15:54:14 2011 No.1724054

>>1724032
See, you demonstrate my point exactly. The last episodes were not detached from the plot at all, it was Shinji's metaphysical reflection while he was assimilated as a result of the Human Instrumentality Project. The last episode(s) actually take place in his psyche during End of Evangelion. They are not different endings existing separately, they elaborate on the events of the same ending.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:00:14 2011 No.1724064 >>1724054 This is anon is right. And it wasn't THAT hard to get. It's funny that they are all so happy at the end and you know they all just died and lost their bodies to become a mass of communist liquid.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:09:14 2011 No.1724075

>>1724054
True, the TV end overlapped some of the scenes in EoE and delved into a similar vein of dialogue. Though it felt to me that while EoE had more concrete plot development, it had to compact some of the logical extrapolation done in the TV end into abstract visual symbols and even more cryptic dialogue. Not that it was impossible, but I could see how someone could go from, "Congratulations? What the hell did any of that have to do with anything?" to, "I am 12 and what is this?! Everyone dies!".

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:11:14 2011 No.1724081

Ran
There Will be Blood
2001 A Space Odyssey
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Das Boot
Reservoir Dogs
Lawrence of Arabia
The Hudsucker Proxy

I can't think of 2 others that belong on this list. I'm sure i will think of some (the Big Lebowski and For a Few Dollars More, but I didn't want to repeat directors)

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:18:14 2011 No.1724094

>>1724064
What's interesting is that this is what Shinji wanted most throughout the whole series, he was terrified of the self separate from other people because of the pain he always experienced when interacting with others. The whole time he was tearing through AT fields, the symbol of the individual, as a reflection of how he desperately wanted to break through that barrier to understand other people, but in the end when he finally gets the chance through actual assimilation he runs away again.

Then, after he once again establishes his self, his cowardice leads him to try and kill the only other remaining human being. The revelation he had at the end of the series within his psyche was essentially reset and he reverts back into a lonely coward, retreating much like he did in "Hedgehog's Dilemma", back into isolation.

And that's just one reading of one character.
I could just go on and on.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:19:14 2011 No.1724095

>>1724075
And yet nobody actually died. Even the people that were clearly dead, including Misato and Asuka, are assimilated into the goo.

Also, the dialog wasn't at all cryptic, I think, and in fact the movie had the most revealing monologue of the whole series, a sort of Rosetta stone with which to read it, in Asuka's spiel (I think as she fights the final angels/eva units).

Sorry for derailing the thread into Eva, its just really hard to have a decent, civil discussion about the series.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:21:14 2011 No.1724098 >>1724095 Well except Gendo, he dies

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:30:14 2011 No.1724116

>>1724094
Well there are two "solutions" to the hedgehog's dilemma.
1. Run away. Avoid human contact. Existential and individual suicide (hivemind) which is pretty much what Shinji was doing up until the very end where he decides to come back.
2. Reach out to others with compassion and bear the pain. Hope and love is what Shinji and Asuka learn from their mothers at the very end, which is what changes their mind about running away in the end.

>>1724095
>And yet nobody actually died.
Of course. An attentive viewer would hear that people could return if they wanted to. And yet, people still leave with the "everyone dies!" remark.

>Also, the dialog wasn't at all cryptic, I think, and in fact the movie had the most revealing monologue of the whole series, a sort of Rosetta stone with which to read it, in Asuka's spiel (I think as she fights the final angels/eva units).
Well I was referring to the "mind rape" scenes when shinji "enters the womb" or merges with gigantic rei. Specifically, the parts where Rei is speaking with Shinji naked, through all the live-action shots, were more cryptic than the original ending but tried to express the same things. Not to mention how the whole "kid shinji playing in the sand" was an allegory for the entire series up to that point.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:37:14 2011 No.1724125

>>1724116
I agree with your point number 1 but not with number 2,

>2. Reach out to others with compassion and bear the pain. Hope and love is what Shinji and Asuka learn from their mothers at the very end, which is what changes their mind about running away in the end.
Shinji doesn't change his mind at all, he reverts entirely to his old self. After running from assimilation, in his fear and desperation he tries to kill the only other "living" human being, that seems like running away to me.

Unless you are talking about immediately during and after the fight with the angels, then I would definitely agree with you, but after the instrumentality they seem to lose that whatever was gained in that revelation.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:47:14 2011 No.1724140

>>1724125
Before I touch on the "final scene"

Shinji's contact with his mother while he was inside big Rei lead him to realize that a single consciousness without individuality is not the way to go because even though there is no pain, there won't be any happiness.

The scenes where Shinji is on Rei's lap was all about how reaching out to others is better than running away, despite the pain. And so in the final scene where he floats away from his mother, that is where he resolves to keep people's individuality so that he may reach out to them.

At this point, Shinji has resolved to #2, would you agree?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:50:14 2011 No.1724145 >>1723421 >>1723323 >>1722170 People like you are scum

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:51:14 2011 No.1724147 >>1724140 And yet in the end he chokes Asuka. I feel your conclusion, while valid, can't be reconciled with the ending, though I am interested in seeing your explanation.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 17:09:14 2011 No.1724178

>>1724147
>And yet in the end he chokes Asuka. I feel your conclusion, while valid, can't be reconciled with the ending, though I am interested in seeing your explanation
Great. I agree with your viewpoint as well. The final scene is a very dense segment to interpret so I will try to make it concise.

First of all, approaching the scene as a stylistic and metaphorical portrayal of both Shinji and Asuka's current mindset and relationship. As a opposed to a natural and practical "what happens after, physically" scene, I think the director wanted a "final" interaction between the two having gone through their revelations and ordeal.

That being said, all gestures, expressions, and words don't necessarily imply their immediate connotations. Strangling wasn't done out of the intent to kill. Sounds like a stretch, but let me explain the careful composition of the scene.

One, Shinji and Asuka have their roles reversed:
Shinji has take the role of an aggressor, on top of Asuka (a call back to an earlier scene). The violent gesture of strangling is a gesture that totally contradicts his typical manner of running away, cowering, but more strikingly, his principals of never hurting another person.
Asuka has also become more tame, and instead of fighting back against Shinji, she calmly caresses his face. A tender gesture, something Asuka would never in a million years reveal to Shinji before.

(cont.)

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 17:22:14 2011 No.1724210

>>1724178
What does this all mean?
Well, the two are trying to communicate their true nature and feelings to each other. Acting unrestrained by their long upheld defensive behavior leaves them vulnerable as well. Shinji speaks up and reveals his selfish and violent hatred towards Asuka, and so Asuka responds by doing the same. She reveals her true compassion for him instead of her typical violent nature.

Shinji realizes this, stops strangling, and breaks down into tears. He is relieved, I think, that Asuka has accepted him, and reverts back to his wimpy self. Asuka looks down on him and also reverts back to her harsh self with her final remark. They go back to their comfort zones, but what has transpired is clear: They have advanced their relationship.

This exchange of true feelings out of compassion and understanding is what they have tried so hard to do; reach out to others. This is in many ways, a confession scene, and the two have successfully reached a level of communication they never had before.

In truth, the ending was a hopeful one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 17:33:14 2011 No.1724236 10 personal favorites for differing reasons: Before Sunrise Casablanca Reservoir Dogs Double Indemnity Showdown In Little Tokyo Blade Runner Lost In Translation Das Leben Der Anderen Brokeback Mountain The Godfather

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 17:39:14 2011 No.1724256

>>1724210
>>1724178
I had a very long post written up in response to your first but your second was exceedingly convincing, it has been too long since I have seen the movie to speak with comfortable authority.

Yours has turned my own opinion, while I don't agree 100% with that interpretation I am damn near close, the differences between that and my own are very minor, and yet at the same time I don't think my original interpretation was incorrect.

This is why I love Eva.

>>	Abu Garcia !FYpcXPFfBg Sun Apr 24 17:51:14 2011 No.1724282 This thread makes me ashamed of lurking /tv/.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 17:58:14 2011 No.1724296

>>1724256
And thank you for the civil discourse, something that doesn't happen often in Eva related discussion (apologies to the thread topic) .

Of course, not even I can proclaim 100% assurance and satisfaction with my interpretation, but it has taken from me many hours of deep thought. I tried to not appear overanalyzing, and so I avoided smaller details. I am glad you came to a similar conclusion.

Anyway, I feel like I should make a list of best 10 animated films to date to make up for things:

End of Evangelion (After watching the original series)
Princess Mononoke
Metropolis
Ghost in the Shell
Grave of the Fireflies
Mind Game
Nausicaa: Valley of the Wind
Angel's Egg
The Girl Who Lept Through Time
Spirited Away

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:03:14 2011 No.1724304 >>1724296 >Best animated films >doesn't list Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:08:14 2011 No.1724310

>>1724048

This. The two best living American filmmakers are both named Anderson.

>yeah, I said it.

I'm really looking forward to PT Anderson's take on Inherent Vice. Should be fucking awesome. He went and laid out his plans to Pynchon ahead of time so that the author would get on board and apparently Pynchon was very impressed. Do you know how hard it is to get a hold of the guy, much less present an adaptation of his work that is to his liking?

>>	Landon !!nBqZl5bQBVO Sun Apr 24 18:08:14 2011 No.1724311 >>1724178 >>1724210 My interpretation of this scene was similar, yet oh so vague in comparison. Yours was summed up beautifully, and I'm sure it'll make that scene even better for me next re-watch. Props.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:09:14 2011 No.1724313 >>1724296 I don't see any Watership down or secret of NIMPH there, mister... Could it be that that list is... /a/ oriented?

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:09:14 2011 No.1724314

1.Dr.Strangelove
2.The Good,the Bad,and the Ugly.
3.A Clockwork Orange
4.The Sound of Music
5.Citizen Kane
6.Life is beautiful(La vita è bella))
7.Goodfellas
8.Big Fish(The only Tim Burton movie i liked)
9.Full Metal Jacket
10.Airplane!(Best Comedy)
And im adding a #11
Short Curcuit 2
Suck it bitches.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:09:14 2011 No.1724315 >>1724304 Just google'd that, and I vaguely remember seeing it a long time ago. I should clarify, my list was the best 10 JAPANESE animated films.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:10:14 2011 No.1724319 Anything directed by Stanley Kubrick just watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVDM4a4nL0

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:12:14 2011 No.1724322 >>1724304 I chuckled. I remember watching that trainwreck, man, what were they thinking?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:14:14 2011 No.1724326 >>1724313 >Could it be that that list is... /a/ oriented? It is very /a/ biased, but oriented for anybody.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:15:14 2011 No.1724328 >>1724319 shit there were a couple in there I haven't seen yet, brb watching every Kubrick film ever.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:18:14 2011 No.1724334
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Apocalypse Now
Seven Samurai
Taxi Driver
Blade Runner
Citizen Kane
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Raging Bull
The Thin Red Line
The Godfather
Chinatown

Obviously some personal bias here, most of these are from the 70s- my favorite decade in film for sure.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:19:14 2011 No.1724336 File: 175 KB, 800x743, cowboyj..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1724314 >Short Circuit 2 >PFFTTTTT-WHAHAHAHA That movie was awesome

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:28:14 2011 No.1724352

>>1724178
>Shinji has take the role of an aggressor, on top of Asuka (a call back to an earlier scene).

Hey, sorry to suddenly jump in on this conversation, but I was impressed with the serious manner of discussion and wanted to bring up something to elaborate on. This earlier scene you mention... correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Shinji try to strangle Asuka in the series at some point only for her to understand he's doing it in an attempt to assert dominance and not out of a genuine desire to kill? It's been a little while since I've watched it but I thought I noticed her lack of lack of alarm during this scene and figured at that point she knew Shinji better than he knew himself. It actually supports your theory 100%, which I agree with, which is why I wanted to ask about it.

Also, I agree that Rebuild just doesn't have the same oomph as the original series/EoE.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:29:14 2011 No.1724356 No mention of Babel.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:32:14 2011 No.1724361

>>1724356

Babel was meh. Amores Perros is Inniratu's (sp?) best, by far. Same basic concept, but executed with more coherence. It still reflects on the Butterfly Effect without the heavyhanded "zomg the whole world is interconnected!" message.

Biutiful was really good too.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:56:14 2011 No.1724412
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>>1724352
>This earlier scene you mention...
I think I should clarify. The "call back" I was thinking of was in this pic, here. I think it serves to emphasize the role reversal.

>correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Shinji try to strangle Asuka in the series at some point only for her to understand he's doing it in an attempt to assert dominance and not out of a genuine desire to kill?
However, you also remind me of, and I believe this is the scene you're thinking of, the moment right before the song Komm, Susser Todd ("tumbling down") kicks in. In that scene, Shinji desperately sought comfort in Asuka selfishly. She rejected him with the iconic "No", and Shinji responded by strangling her out of frustration.

>It's been a little while since I've watched it but I thought I noticed her lack of lack of alarm during this scene and figured at that point she knew Shinji better than he knew himself. It actually supports your theory 100%, which I agree with, which is why I wanted to ask about it.
I think there is something different or changed between that scene, and the final scene. Shinji and Asuka knew better in the final scene, same with Shinji, and so they didn't reject each other and saw that they only wanted to comfort from one another. I've followed this train of thought before but I can't recall it clearly. I too, haven't seen it in awhile.

>Also, I agree that Rebuild just doesn't have the same oomph as the original series/EoE.
Yea, rebuild is good, but doesn't do the original enough justice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 19:11:14 2011 No.1724436 No one has mentioned Jarmusch's "Dead Man". Someone needs to mention Jarmusch's "Dead Man". Fucking gold. At the very least, "Ghost Dog: the way of the Samurai".

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 19:25:14 2011 No.1724468

>>1724412
>However, you also remind me of, and I believe this is the scene you're thinking of, the moment right before the song Komm, Susser Todd ("tumbling down") kicks in. In that scene, Shinji desperately sought comfort in Asuka selfishly. She rejected him with the iconic "No", and Shinji responded by strangling her out of frustration.

Wow, was it really in EoE all along? My memory of the whole thing is more mixed up than I thought. All the more reason to rewatch it, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 19:30:14 2011 No.1724481 >>1724468 hard to believe its 15 years old, huh?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:16:14 2011 No.1725032 >>1724296 Good anime list, I'd replace two with Akira and Ninja Scroll. >>1724282 Threads as good as thing rarely appear and when they did they quickly 404'd, haven't been there in a while though I'm banking they should still be renamed /celeb/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:54:14 2011 No.1725338 >>1724315 >FF:SW >Not Japanese Are you an idiot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 01:08:14 2011 No.1725369 In Bruges, anyone? It's surprisingly good. The writer is a British absurdist playwrite, Martin Macdon Martin McDonagh. I haven't gotten around to reading anything by him yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 01:24:14 2011 No.1725411 In no particular order... Pan's Labyrinth Vertigo The Day of the Jackal The Graduate The Maltese Falcon The Thing from Another World (1951) Rebel Without a Cause The Big Lebowski Alien The Godfather

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 01:45:14 2011 No.1725439 Creepshow Pee Wee's Big Adventure Jacob's Ladder Day of the Dead (original) Small Soldiers The Shining Poltergeist They Live! Dr.Strangelove Beetle Juice

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 01:47:14 2011 No.1725443 >>1721362 rolling

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:12:14 2011 No.1725461

>>1724326
>>1724315
Well, I am a /co/mrade, but I'm weak in the animation sector.
Just for the basics, we should add some Heavy Metal and Fantasia (although it has been mentioned), Maybe Alice by Slavenko (or however you write that name) in the stop motion department. If anyone calls Nightmare Before Christmass, I'm gonna scream.

>>1721362
Rolling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:13:14 2011 No.1725462 Good thread! My top ten (in no order): Dr. Strangelove No Country For Old Men 2001: A Space Odyssey Pulp Fiction Brazil The Matrix Inglorious Basterds Gattaca A Scanner Darkly Inception (hate me)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:13:14 2011 No.1725463 >>1725439 Wow, and some guy was calling Kurosawa and Einsestein entry level... Also, rerolling since I've already seen oldboy.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:16:14 2011 No.1725470

>>1725369
Actually, Monthy Python's The meaning of life deserves being here more. You can switch that for your favorite, it tends to be the first one you saw.

Also, third roll, and if it sucks/I've seen it then I'm gonna print that fucking list and burn it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:27:14 2011 No.1725488 >>1725369 Actually, yes. This one always slips my mind but it is always enjoyable and interesting to re-watch. He's sitting on some other film scripts he doesn't want made yet. Looking forward to them.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 03:51:14 2011 No.1725577
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>ctrl-f the usual suspects
>nothing? mfw

really, people?
others that have yet to be mentioned:
Cidade de Deus
The Apartment
Cool Hand Luke
Gilda
White Heat
Du Rififi Chez les Hommes
Murder, My Sweet
Witness for the Prosecution

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 03:58:14 2011 No.1725584

>>1725577
Usual Suspects is incredibly overrated. Seriously the ending was pretty much a big fuck you to the audience. I gotta say I was on board all the way and thought it was incredible whilst going through it but it did the book equivalent of saying "Then Spacey woke up and it was all a dream"

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 03:58:14 2011 No.1725585 >>1721362 rowling

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:05:14 2011 No.1725588

Apocalypse Now
The Deer Hunter
The Godfather
Pulp Fiction
2001: A Space Odyssey
12 Angry Men
O Brother, Where Art Thou?
Forest Gump
Memento
The Big Lebowski

Pretty much anything by the Coen Brothers, Kubrick and Coppola. A Hitchcock movies should fit in there too, but I can't pick a specific one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:07:14 2011 No.1725590 Dr Strangelove Shichinin no samurai Blade Runner Letters From Iwo Jima Casablanca Michael Collins Leon Watership Down Pan's Labyrinth The Grapes of Wrath inb4 people mad at my inferior tastes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:09:14 2011 No.1725592 Has anyone listing 2001: A Space Odyssey even fucking seen it? It's terrible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:11:14 2011 No.1725597 >>1725592 It's beautiful. I notice a lot of younger people can't stand it, because of its length. Give yourself some time to grow out of ADD/ADHD and give it another go.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:14:14 2011 No.1725600

>>1725584

Go back and watch the scene where Kujan is pushing Verbal around, and listen very, very carefully to what Verbal says.

Your mind will be blown.

Also, the performances are pretty universally strong, and just because the story and the narration are designed to manipulate you doesn't render them without merit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:15:14 2011 No.1725602 >>1725597 Length isn't the problem, it's just a boring film unless you're into imagery and signs bullshit. I'd link the kind of people who liked space odyssey to people who like Dan Brown.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:15:14 2011 No.1725603 >>1725588 North By Northwest

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:15:14 2011 No.1725604 >>1725597 I'm not the same guy calling it terrible, but I'll be goddamned if the opening long-ass sequence wasn't 20 minutes too long.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:16:14 2011 No.1725605 Kubrick is overrated as fuck. Strangelove was the only real bit of genius, and that's only because of the balls of releasing it at the height of the Cold War. Dat black humor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:18:14 2011 No.1725607 >>1725605 But ALL of his movies were consistently strong. No one does that. Even Kurosawa had bad movies. Inb4 Spartacus, it's not his movie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:19:14 2011 No.1725608 >>1725602 Speaking of length, Tarkovsky would place long, drawn out scenes near the beginning of his films so all of the fools would leave before he really got started.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:19:14 2011 No.1725609 >>1725602 How can you post on a /lit/ forum or in a /tv/ thread without being into imagery and symbolism? I believe you're lost, friend. I understand where you're coming from though

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:49:14 2011 No.1725627

2001: A Space Odyssey is good if you have an imagination.

Citizen Kane was good for its time, but top ten worthy... don't think so.

Same with 12 Angry Men

Also, O Brother Where Art Thou? and No Country For Old Men are the ONLY good movies by the Coen brothers.

Memento is average, nothing special.

Moon was great but not strong enough for top ten

Trainspotting sucked.

Slumdog Millionaire was a big budget Disney film

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:51:14 2011 No.1725629 >>1725627 15 year olds are not allowed on 4chan. Arrogant 15 year olds even less so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 04:54:14 2011 No.1725633 >>1725627 You're only the second to mention Slumdog Millionaire, old sport. Nobody else thinks much of it anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 05:18:14 2011 No.1725652 >>1725633 Most people I know think its brilliant, I just don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 05:22:14 2011 No.1725654 File: 8 KB, 165x232, hm, really.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1725652 Find yourself more /lit/erate company, old sport.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 05:29:14 2011 No.1725659 Rollin. I'm more into lit, but lately I've been wanting to start exploring film.

BrianHerbert !!k1TdMbiPA/h Mon Apr 25 06:25:14 2011 No.1725674
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I'm not sure if these would really qualify as the best, but here are some of my favorites:

Blue Velvet
The Elephant Man
Highlander
Primer
Amadeus
American Beauty

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 06:30:14 2011 No.1725676 >>1725674 Fuck yeah, Amadeus.

>>	madamexpsychosis !hRacKux4Mw Mon Apr 25 06:47:14 2011 No.1725687 >>1720883 I Love You Philip Morris [underrated film IMO] Rushmore Slacker Citizen Kane The Royal Tenembaums Love and Death Annie Hall Videodrome Fight Club Manhattan The Social Network ...and Scott Pilgrim vs. the World

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 06:48:14 2011 No.1725688 >>1725687 You just went full fucking retarded. That is like the most stereotypical hipster bullshit. You trolling right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 06:51:14 2011 No.1725690 True Romance Turkish Delight Anal Sluts 7 Come and See Khrustalyov, Mashinu Aguirre Deutschland, Ein Wintermärchen Montana Sacra Easy Rider Triumph des Willens

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 10:16:14 2011 No.1725803 >>1725690 Nah, nah, number five was the best one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 16:56:14 2011 No.1726372 >>1725676 Try Tout les matins du monde.

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