/lit/ - Literature

>>17207023
Go with epicureanism instead, much less cucking, more good times.

>>17207023
read Jane Austen

>>17207023
How about you realize that you are the only person who will ever care about your own pain.
Burn it and get over it. Once you realize you are the only cause of the pain, its easy to redirect it to the actual causes.

courage to be disliked

>>17207155
You need to be stoic first, to reach a position where you can live as an epicurean.

>>17207023
Pyrrhonism resembles the acceptance of uncertainty that is at the root of a lot of OCD therapy.

>>17208144
this

>tfw you will never fuck the right one

>>17207023
Take the taopill. Stoicism from the mystic east, and less shit about duty.

The best thing for anxiety is to go for walks. 10,000 steps per day minimum

>>17208788
>the exercise meme
Fuck off normie.

>>17208800
t. unhealthy cretin

>>17208800
he's right, you know

and walking is hardly "exercise"

>>17208788
The sad thing is that the idiots on this shitshole of a website actually need such basic advices. Walking at least 10k steps should be the absolute minimum for anyone with working legs.

>>17208788
i feel depressed when i go for walks. gives me time and space to ruminate on how much i hate myself.

>>17208788
>>17208823
This is true, and it's about two hours a day.

>>17208125
B A S E D

>>17208813
Exercise doesn’t make you healthy, it’s just a neurotic activity you do in order to tell yourself you are doing something good. I exercise because I want bigger muscles, but I don’t believe causing all this stress on my body is healthy

>>17208876
brainlet take, not even worth responding seriously to. feel bad for u lol

>>17208813
>>17208816
Ran six times per week for months, did fuck all for my anxiety. 60 km a week.

>>17208906
try walking 10,000 steps instead

>>17208918
Nigger I was running more than 10,000 steps a day on average.

>>17208906
probably because you went mega autist on pushing your ability to run rather than get a clear mind by enjoying nature in a normal pace

>>17208964
>probably because you went mega autist on pushing your ability to run
You must be really unfit if you think that's a lot of running. People doing marathons, which is normie-tier in the running world, run more than that all the time.

>>17208800
> he’s not frankyangpilled
I’m afraid you’ll never ascend

>>17208962
yes, try walking instead

>>17209004
>exercise is better than no exercise for anxiety
>less exercise is better than more exercise for anxiety

speaking of stoicism, I dated this girl in college and we really had some chemistry but due to distance after college we broke up. Then we reconnected after 4-5 years and dated again. Then broke up for a year, then started dating again now. The whole thing has a mess on all sides the seconf time around because we'd both changed a lot and hadn't figured out how to work with each other. But now things are going really well, except I feel so much jealousy about the people she dated/slept with since the second time (people between college and second time don't bother me). I dated people during that year too though, probably more than she did, but I just can't stop being jealous. I've been reading Seneca and trying to change my thinking -- but it seems like with this thing, it's like trying to grind through a heavy rep, you've almost got the weight and you feel so good about how hard you're pushing yourself, but you just can't quite get it up and you drop the weight and I just get consumed again by jealousy.
What do?

>>17209015
>The best thing for anxiety is to go for walks. 10,000 steps per day minimum

ESL?

>>17209029
The reason he's confused is that your statement doesn't make sense. Preferring walks over runs indicates that the goal is not exercise, but maybe just immersing yourself outside? But then you mention 10,000 steps, which indicates that the purpose actually is exercise, in which case running is far better. The problem isn't our ability to parse the sentence, it's the contradiction in the sentence.

>>17208876
Retard

>>17208970
if you went from not being fit to trying to achieve that the jump would be quite high and youd have to push hard

>>17209049
its a healthy level of activity coupled with the effects of being outside

>>17208876
You should check out Antifragile, it argues that stress in limited quantities is actually good for certain categories of thing, including the body.

>>17209049
Running is for strivers and people who feel the need to compact their exercise into the least time possible. Ten thousand steps a day is Lindy-tier naturalistic exercise without the artifice or pretence of a "running routine." It's a real activity rather than a surrogate activity

>>17209088
I'm guessing the guy wasn't running 60km per week indoors... he probably spent a lot of time outside.

>>17209108
>compact their exercise into as little time as possible
You realize that walking doesn't provide the same cardiovascular benefits as running, right? It's not just about how many times your legs swing forward and back, it's about how high your heart rate gets, which you can only do by running (unless you're overweight or walking up absurdly steep hills very fast)

>>17209028
In what ways have you been changing your thinking?

>>17209093
This is 100% true. The best example being with weight lifting. It tears the outer fibers of your muscles and they regenerate stronger than before.
I loved that book man. I wish I hadn’t started with it because Black Swan was underwhelming afterwards

I also suffer from anxiety and have been told by multiple psychiatrists that it’s close to OCD but they diagnose me with General Anxiety Disorder instead.
Have you found any reliable relief, OP? What have you read that had the most profound impact on you?

>>17209123
Yes I know, that's why I said strivers, you're striving for "cardiovascular benefits" via a surrogate activity to counterbalance our otherwise sedentary lifestyles. By walking two hours a day I simply dont live a sedentary lifestyle, my body stays naturally in shape, I have no need to strive through artificial regimens.

>>17209125
Well, to start with, because of anxiety and a drinking addiction (~1 year sober now), I've already done a lot of CBT which is similar to ideas I see stoics talk about. But specifically related to this issue, I've been reminding myself that it is something in the past and not changeable so not worth spending time thinking about at all. I remind myself how stupid it is to ruin a joyous moment by thinking of stuff in the past that has absolutely no effect on me or the present. I remind myself that there is nothing perfect in life, that we take the bad with the good, and that it is silly to throw away the good because it also contains the bad -- there will never be anything good that is not also bad, and a quest for such a thing will only end in disappointment -- and it is especially foolish to throw away good today because it reminds of bad yesterday -- when yesterday is already passed and has no effect on me except what remains in today. And it only remains today because I am keeping it.

>>17209210
I walk two hours a day as well. More, actually. I've got an energetic dog. But I can barely run 100m without getting out of breath. Maybe you're different, but that's not because of your walking. Walking is better than being sedentary, and is still important even if you run, but running provides benefits even 10 hours of walking a day does not provide.

>>17207023
>this book will help me fix issues with my biology
lol

>>17209210
You seem mentally ill.

>>17209270
That's merely because you're too low-IQ to understand me.

>>17207023
No, if you're anxious you put yourself in situations make you feel anxious with the mindset of getting progressively better, it's cliche because it's what works
Sure, Seneca, Nietzsche, Stirner, etc, can get help you get on said mindset (in theory) but it won't help you get better at all in the practice, not at all, which is what matters.
Therapy works better than books but taking aciton on your own such as making casual small talk everyday and value everyday results is better than therapy

>>17209281
If I had to guess from your use of "surrogate activity", you've taken the Ted-pill and assume you're "out of the matrix and see things for how they really are" when in fact you're a lazy piece of shit given how you think running is remotely difficult (strivers).

Running is genuinely easy. It's like walking but faster.

>>17209300
Kek, all these insults over nothing. You're a very insecure person, I can tell the IQ assessment was spot-on.

>>17209028
sounds like retroactive jealousy OCD, which i suffer from badly. im jealous i didnt get my gf as a virgin and that she has had experiences with "parties" that i missed out on. since im aware this is ocd and reading stoicism i feel somewhat better.

>>17209159
same here. diagnosed with GAD and they say it might just be my autism (PDD-NOS) that causes me to worry about uncertainty.

i had no major impact yet, but im very much enjoying listening to stoicist audiobooks. my book "how to stubbornly stop making yourself feel miserable" about albert ellis came in yesterday and i started reading a little of it, but no major impact either so far.

>>17209287
very good point. i plan on exposure therapy and see the philosphy merely as useful wisdom for my subsconscious

>>17209341
This is actually the thing -- I had a girl who had only one partner before me once, and I was still super jealous of her previous partner. And then I had a girl who'd had a bunch of partners, and I was jealous of how many -- but not because of her being a slut, she absolutely wasn't, just a serial monogamist who dated someone new every 6 months or so. Blegh, and now this, I tell myself it just bothers me because it was /between/ our more recent interactions and that's why, but even the first time after college, it bothered me she'd been with people since college -- that feeling has gone away now entirely, but I suspect that's only because I have a different thing (the more recent partners) to focus on. Fuck.

I have a friend with a quite clear case of OCD, all the typical things people think of, but he also has ones that aren't as well known among general population. I've talked to him about his stuff quite a bit and shared some of my things, telling him I've wondered whether I might have it -- someone suggested I might be pure O but then I read some stuff that made me think that pure O might not be real and that they still have Cs, just in their head or maybe with their tongue, not obvioun ones. I started looking for them and I think I found one or two mild compulsions I use to calm myself but I'm not actually sure if I'm just imagining them as more frequent than they are or not. I'm not really sure and I'm a bit scared to go to a doc because whenever I try to talk about my mental health stuff I feel like I never actually say what I feel, like, I get in a good mood because I'm interacting with a smiling human and then I just want to keep the mood bright and I think I downplay some things. But I'm not really sure... idk could you tell me more about what you feel?

Read Marcus Aurelius - Meditations, translation by Gregory Hays (the rest are shit desu).
It helped me through some shit and made me realize we as humans are nothing but drops in the ocean or stars in the galaxy. While our light shines we should apply ourselves.

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>>17208827
Same anon.

>>17209049
>The reason he's confused is that your statement doesn't make sense

maybe to ESLs... it's pretty simple really. walking and running are two entirely different activities. there was no mention of "exercise".

>>17209632
Commodus was based af.

>>17209226
that is all pretty good, and seems to me like you gonna make it. You never really beat jealousy and it can always resurface no matter how much "theorizing" and "understanding" you are capable of. But it has helped me a lot to think of jealousy as a limiting factor. It's pettiness is something that continually blinds you from seeing the whole context of another person's life. I'm sure you can say that your own self is something that you barely have a grasp on in your best moments, and you are someone who is more aware of these things than most. What could you say for other people? We are all alone 99% of the time, can you blame someone like this girl you are with for reaching out to people, just as you reach out to each other?

>>17209958
Yeh, definitely, thanks for the thoughts. Agree a lot. I don't blame her for anything, it just hurts thinking about her having sex with someone else and I can't stop that thought and visual popping into my head... I used to really dwell on the thoughts, now I stop it as soon as I recognize it and refuse to entertain it, but I wish it'd just stop popping up at all.

>>17207023
realize that thoughts come before emotions and all emotions are caused by thoughts.

>>17209341
its not OCD lmao its just the way you feel.

>>17209388
Patrician choice

>>17210337
Yea I understand, that's the tough part. The history of my relationship is much the same as you describe yours (lots of breaking up and coming back together, dating other people) but the other day we talked a little bit about it and she opened up about how anxious she had felt about everything that had happened, and had been worried about me thinking less of her this whole time, which surprised me a lot. if you feel you can talk to her about it you never know what you might hear