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>Then the Buddha came out of his dwelling and proceeded to begin walking meditation, and Ambaṭṭha did likewise. Then while walking beside the Buddha, Ambaṭṭha scrutinized his body for the thirty-two marks of a great man. He saw all of them except for two, which he had doubts about: whether the private parts are retracted, and the largeness of the tongue. Then it occurred to the Buddha, “This brahmin student Ambaṭṭha sees all the marks except for two, which he has doubts about: whether the private parts are retracted, and the largeness of the tongue.” Then the Buddha used his psychic power to will that Ambaṭṭha would see his retracted private parts. And he stuck out his tongue and stroked back and forth on his ear holes and nostrils, and covered his entire forehead with his tongue. Then Ambaṭṭha thought, “The ascetic Gotama possesses the thirty-two marks completely, lacking none.” He said to the Buddha, “Well, now, sir, I must go. I have many duties, and much to do.”

https://suttacentral.net/dn3/en/sujato

When and where did the idea of the buddha as some sort of atheistic empiricist-psychologist guru come about?

>> No.17130537

>>17130514
>retracted private parts
what?

>> No.17130562

>>17130514
>whether the private parts are retracted
What

>> No.17130600

>>17130537
Small penis was a symbol of refinement in masculine figures across many cultures throughout history.

>> No.17130615

>>17130600
The popes of cope lol

>> No.17130624

>>17130514

real enlightened men convince people by the power of their ideas, not through demonstrating wacky superpowers, Gautama Siddhartha was a pseudo-spiritual conman and he doesn’t even deserve the title appended to him

>> No.17130641

>>17130514
>the Buddha used his psychic power to will that Ambaṭṭha would see
Seems to me this is about the Buddha creating what is essentially an illusion in order to get that person to lose his doubt.

>> No.17130680

>>17130624
You just wish you had some wacky superpowers

>> No.17130715

>>17130514
>thirty-two marks of a great man
Buddha was an apeman.

>> No.17130720

>>17130715
>Hands reaching below the knees
I mean, Buddha was an apeman.

>> No.17130726

>>17130600
Nah, retractable means it remained within the body until it had to be used, kinda like a swiss army knife.

>> No.17130737

>>17130726
sounds convenient
When exactly would you need to whip out your swiss army penis?

>> No.17130788

>>17130737
to urinate i'm assuming, you wouldn't want your dick pouch all covered in piss.

>> No.17130801

>>17130788
I'm just thinking about other possible scenarios.
I thought /lit/ was supposed to be creative?
Actually you're all bookish so probably not.

>> No.17130823

>>17130801
well, you go first

>> No.17130833

>>17130624
>real enlightened men convince people by the power of their ideas, not through demonstrating wacky superpowers, Gautama Siddhartha was a pseudo-spiritual conman and he doesn’t even deserve the title appended to him
Jesus walked on water and demonstrated many more "wacky superpowers. It doesnt take away from their teachings

>> No.17130846

>>17130833
thats different because he is literally god

>> No.17130848

>>17130537
>>17130788
Grower, not a shower.

>>17130641
That's basically it. It's a critique of Brahminism, that this dude (Ambattha) is so wrapped up in scholasticism and systems and conceptual thought that he needs to see the Buddha's fucking tongue and penis to make a judgement on his teachings, rather than just considering the fucking teachings. So the Buddha dunks on him by showing that he can suck his penis inside his crotch, and wrap his whole head in his tongue, both actions being done so comically more intense than one might imagine them to be as a demonstration of the ludicrousness of the affair.
>I am berry bery sorry mister buddha sir, but before I gan gonsider your deachingz I must see your benis and dongue, because the Prabubandusandumanduwandkakakfkakakfapaaapfafakwpwkwfapala Upanishad says that the Seventy Seven Margs of a Great Man...

There's a lot of this in Buddhism, hidden from a Westerner's view because it's wrapped up in caste bullshit. Buddhism being a warrior religion means that it is a Kshatriya religion, one of action and aggression (a monk is fundamentally committing an offensive action when they are meditating), as opposed to contemplation and rigorous conceptual systematization that one would find in a priestly (that is, Brahmanical) religion.

>> No.17130875

>>17130514
> thirty-two marks of a great man
>the private parts are retracted
Does this mean that you're fated to be a hylic if you're quite generously endowed?

>> No.17131190
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17131190

>>17130848
>Buddhism being a warrior religion means that it is a Kshatriya religion,
No it’s not, stop repeating Evola’s stupid theories uncritically. Buddha rejected the caste system and criticizes it in the Pali Canon. He didnt reject it but then try to preserve some warrior caste thing from it. The whole thing was a slave-morality based revolt against the perceived unfairness of the caste system.

Buddha instructed his monk followers to follow non-violence. And when the Muslims invaded India the Buddhists let themselves be slaughtered like a bunch of helpless animals, whereas it was the Hindu (and often heavily Brahmin-linked) ascetic monastic orders like the Dashnamis and Ramanandis who actually took up weapons to defend themselves and other Hindus from Muslim bandits etc

>> No.17131216

>slave morality
Stopped reading there

>> No.17131253
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17131253

>>17131216
left side of perfect = Hindu caste system
right side of picture = buddhist agitation against said caste system and buddhist moralfaggotry in general

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Greater in battle than the man who would conquer a thousand men,is he who would conquer just one:
himself.

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>>17131279
Sounds like the ancient cope equivalent of this.

>> No.17131379

>>17131279
basado

>> No.17131634

>>17131279
Not going to keep your genes alive when the lawless hordes are aiming at burning down your house and raping your women

>> No.17131666

>>17131634
who cares

>> No.17131899

>>17131279
>you might be crushing your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women but that is nothing compared to what i'm doing! I'M IMPROOOVING MYSELF!

>> No.17131917

>>17131899
Yes

>> No.17131983

>>17131899
nothing makes losers seethe more than the idea of self-mastery because they are and always will be slaves to their most base desires

>> No.17132191

>>17130848
>Buddhism being a warrior religion means that it is a Kshatriya religion, one of action and aggression (a monk is fundamentally committing an offensive action when they are meditating)
My God you are retarded beyond belief

>> No.17132204

>>17131190
>the Buddhists let themselves be slaughtered like a bunch of helpless animals
Imagine criticising one anon for his retarded takes before making some equally idiotic ones. Have you heard about the buddhists empires of India? One of the strongest military forces of the time?

>> No.17132211

>>17131253
Imagine believing the caste system was about fairness and not nepotism. Either go back to /pol/ with these fox news retardations, or educate yourself before posting.

>> No.17132233

>>17131279
“The enemies which rise within the body,

Hard to be overcome - the evil passions -

Should manfully be fought; who conquers these

Is equal to the conqueror of worlds.” (xi, 32.)

— Kiratarjuniya by Bharavi”

>> No.17132264

>>17132204
>Have you heard about the buddhists empires of India? One of the strongest military forces of the time?
I was talking about how Buddhists responded or rather failed to put up any response to the Islamic invasions of India. Ashoka converted to Buddhism after the Maurya empire was already a huge empire, it wasn’t powerful because of Buddhism. A considerable number of scholars and authors consider that Ashoka in fact weakened the Mauryan empire because of how it quickly collapsed not long after his death.

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>>17131983
>slaves to their most base desires
>heh i don't have sex and that means i'm better than you

>> No.17132322

>>17131666
your genes

>> No.17132347

>>17132322
Genes are suffering. The Blessed One teaches the path leading to the cessation of genes

>> No.17132439

>>17132211
>Imagine believing the caste system was about fairness and not nepotism.
It’s about neither, the system of castes and ashramas was ordained by Brahman in order that humans might have a system that maintains order and harmony in society while allowing people to pursue liberation and worldly ends. The caste system is not some cartoony slavery but when all the caste rules are followed it is conducive to everyone’s spirituality and the higher up castes face much more stricter rules and punishments for breaking the rules than lower castes. And it is still ultimately fair in an indirect way in the end, since you receive your caste via transmigration based on your karma in previous lives. Even Buddhism admits that you are born in the circumstances which you deserve, but then do logical gymnastics to explain why this doesn’t means people deserve their caste. The Brahmins in classical India despised the money-lenders and kept them down, and with the decline of the caste and ashrama system with the advent of colonialism and industrialization came the accompanying rise of the materialist ethos, consumerism, usury, skyrocketing inequality etc as the proper and true spiritual elite began to be replaced and lose space to the new ‘elite’ of the wisdom-lacking secular rich.
>fox news retardations,
Tucker Carlson Tonight on Fox News is the highest-rated cable tv program in all of history, so maybe it’s time you updated your definition of ‘retarded’ kid

>> No.17132458

>>17131190
>>17132191
You're welcome to have whatever dumb opinions you want, but it's a simple fact that Buddhism views itself as a warrior religion, and early Buddhists compared their religion to Hinduism as a warrior religion compared to a priestly religion. Again, if this fact upsets you, that's fine, but it is a fact.

>>17132264
Ashoka died almost 800 years before Islam was invented, anon.

>> No.17132501

>>17132458
>Ashoka died almost 800 years before Islam was invented, anon.
I know that already, I assumed that the "Buddhist Empire" the anon referred to was the Mauryan empire, since Ashoka is the most famous Buddhist ruler of India. That is a separate point from the fact that the Buddhists failed to put up any meaningful resistance against the muslims while the supposedly "non-warrior" religion of Hinduism according to Evola's incorrect meme theories actually managed to put up armed resistance to the Muslims and preserve their own existence, and this was done by ascetic monks who had renounced the world no less.

>> No.17132570

>>17132501
>there was only ever one Hindu state at a given time
No.

>there was only ever one Buddhist state at a given time
No.

>buddhism was wiped out
No.

>> No.17132573

>>17132570
Afghanistan is no longer Buddhist.

>> No.17132586

>>17132322
Doesn't matter

>> No.17132655

>>17132573
And yet, Buddhism persists. It's almost as if history is more complicated than memes make it seem.

>> No.17132720

>>17132570
there was only ever one Hindu state at a given time
>there was only ever one Buddhist state at a given time
I didn’t make either of those claims dumbass, assuming you are speaking about the most prominent one is not to say others dont exist
>buddhism was wiped out
Yes it largely was, it was probably more from Hindu philosophers refuting it than from the Muslims though, which explains why it mostly vanished also from south India that the Muslims never fully controlled. Regardless, from the 7th and 8th centuries onwards there is increasing decline until they are a tiny tiny minority with no influence. Yes, you still Buddhist scholarship going on at Nalanada and Buddhism transmission of Indian tantric lineages into Tibet well into the 2nd millennium, but after the 6th-8th centuries they stop having a big public presence, stop having lots of followers, stop showing up at debates, stop trying to write refutations of the other Indian Hindu and non-Hindu schools etc etc. All the Buddhists in India today are Tibetan exiles or formerly Hindu converts to a new type of Buddhism invented in the 20th century.

>> No.17132725

>>17132720
*almost all of the Buddhists in India today are

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>>17132315
>quite right, anon