/lit/ - Literature

>>17075445
As much as i am doubting this will work out, I really hope it does since I am so sick of the current state of /lit/ and would be happy with even a slight improvement than what we have now.

You need some sort of capcha that's more of an IQ test.

>>17075451
Why are you doubting it so much? Do you think the userbase will be too small? That is my biggest fear but one can't really predict that, there are some altchans which are decently active and I want to believe

>>17075445
>Would you join this forum and contribute to creating a better place?
Sure, why not. It sounds like fun.
Are you going to make separate boards for philosophy, history, literature, etc. or just make one big clone of this dump?

I would use it. Maybe have dedicated boards for religion and philosophy so that the literature board will actually focus on literature.

What has really changed on /lit/ though? I've been here for years and really other than being faster and been more shitposting it's the same shit it's always been.

>>17075489
split fiction and non fiction?

/sci/, and /his/?

holy kek

>>17075471
/thread
I would pay for this

>>17075471
Please type (in the box below) the name of one of the following:
<Collage of good literature covers>

>>17075499
I agree, but after some time you get bored of all the shitty threads being repeated over and over again. There are too many /pol/ threads as well and I generally dislike the experience today

>>17075445
Sounds like a great idea anon. Maybe split the /lit/ and /phil/ boards like proposed

>>17075518
Sure but that's just you outgrowing the place. Another board won't change anything.

>>17075516
How do you make it work in the face of millions of hits a year, and not be simply automated?

>>17075445
I don't think it's bad but it runs into what you said, it's only real attraction is its user base at that point. You'd need something that more fundamentally decides the userbase.

>>17075481
>>17075489
>>17075500
>>17075521
Those are all good ideas but keep in mind that boards don't matter that much in the early days of a chan. When you have only a couple of posts per day you will always just look at a global catalog that compiles all the boards. With more users the board seperations become really important though, an example would be /k/ and /out/

Sounds good. Any way to prevent people on certain devices from posting? you know, to keep the phoneposters away?

>>17075577
That would be possible, but phoneposters are less of a problem than low effort posters. So you could ban users with more than 50% of posts consisting of only "based"

>>17075530
>Sure but that's just you outgrowing the place.
No, that's /pol/posters being allowed to flood their gutter tier threads if they're made to appear """on topic""". We should flood the IRC in response to let the mods know we think ALL POLITICS belongs on /pol/. No more retards coming in here to debate philosophers they've never read. /lit/ is not /pol/'s think-tank, and it has nothing to do with wanting /lit/ to be leftist or rightist, it's about the abstention from politics. This board is turning into /pol/-but-longer and it fucking sucks.

>>17075591
look at /r9k/ though?

>>17075540
Well it’ll just be like a custom capcha. Instead of clicking the fenceposts or whatever, you click “which book was written by Proust” or whatver. Would filter poltards and baitposters

>>17075445
Just make a subreddit.

>>17075602
Keep the normal captcha, but add a more complex test every tenth post.

Ban fucking wojaks and frogs so we can finally start producing some new memes

>>17075603
we come here to escape the toxic redditgold, usernames and downvotes combination

>>17075603
you have to go back

>>17075577
Ha phoneposters, what a lovely term. But doesn't the captcha already take care of that in some way?

>>17075445
Didn't /pol/ already have that string thing?

>Artschan might actually happen

I'd try it. My fantasy is to have something like a Goodreads/Leaf list and have the image board be the social aspect. You can copy several book data bases, even Amazon's. But get the image board running first. Goodreads is low effort femoid bait ATM.

You just need to make the board boring and dry in some way, so that it is not attractive to ADD-driven shit posters.

>>17075565
Maybe an invite-only system? It would be real hard to get any users though, it could maybe work for an IRC channel or something

>>17075577
What's wrong with phoneposting?

>>17075445
It'll be a futaba style imageboard, right?

>>17075471
the old /g/ joke where the captcha is a virtual machine on which you have to install gentoo comes to mind

Isn't there an opensource imageboard software out there somewhere?

>>17075445
Wait, you have to mine Bitcoin for twenty minutes just to make a single post/post in a single thread?

>>17075669
Nah this will be dead. Also not in the spirit of anonymity.

Thanks Lana! Post is brilliant but this thread actually is pretty infuriating to me because I see a lot of replies contending that all art is subjective when in fact it is not. And poetry as an art form suffers from the worst of this misconception.

Take for example a bad drawing. People would instantly recognize a stick figure as bad, amateurish and childish. No subjectivity there but from an objective standpoint (unless of course it is used purposefully beyond its value as a stick figure e.g. XKCD).

But the fact is sweeping everything under the rug as "subjective" does a lot more harm than good and does no favors for the art form... Least of which is furthering the misconception that anything any idiot writes can be poetry.

It is not... And people using the shield of subjectivity is just hiding their incompetence behind that shield. And unfortunately I see it so much in oc poetry that it becomes disheartening. People sharing poetry that is bad, and getting replies that it is good. It is poisonous to the art form and makes oc poetry not a true discussion of original poetry but more an outlet of therapuetic cathartic stream of consciousness rants. Which is sad to me.

I really appreciate posts like this and it just saddens and infuriates me reading some of the replies here.

Just wanted to put that out there. Kthxbye.

>>17075696
No, you have to mine btc for twenty minutes to post until you get banned. As long as you behave decently you are fine, if you spam cp you generate a nice income for the board hoster

>>17075670
Phoneposters are necessarily low effort, low quality posters. They can't effortpost, they can't create OC, there's no discernable talent.

/lit/ should just have mods that actually apply rules, anything else is secondary.

>>17075710
>No, you have to mine btc for twenty minutes to post until you get banned.
Oh okay, that sounds like a good system then.

Redirect anyone with Reddit cookies away from the site.

I would support this; I'm sick of the lack of intellecutal discussion on all boards
>inb4 dumb newfag it's always been that way
no it hasn't. There were always joke threads and stuff but EVERY major board used to have something of value. /fit/ taught me so much about health, skincare, diet - now it's trash
/tv/ and /film/, I came to really appreciate film as an artform, there was a lot of classic movie discussion - now it's trash
/lit/ used to be one of the most legit sites on the internet - the poetry threads, the academia discussion, this place was topic notch. sometimes I wonder what happened to the old boards I came to love. only /trv/ has decent quality now.

But yet OP, I would be happy to help contribute to your board, you'd just need to advertise it a bit, with the focus we're looking for people willing to self-police the quality

>>17075838
it was always shit. Now it is just pol and tranny shit

>>17075745
Or kick out children like this one who define themselves by the websites they browse.

>>17075838
smartphones, and /v/ migrants
/fit/ now just seems to be gay porn

>>17075838
I agree

>>17075445
I like direction. I don't know much about how tracking works here, but I'd like to learn more. keep us posted.

>>17075608
yeah because censorship is a great avenue for creativity.

>>17075664
that's a good point. as an add-driven shitposter myself, I confirm I was almost turned off from 4chan because I thought it was hard to read. so yeah, make it confusing and they will stay out.

>>17075499
People posting things they think are funny or being ironic is 99% of the board now. It used to be about 20% just 3 years ago. You used to be able to discuss literature and talk about a book's merits in sincerity. Now you have to turn everything into an "epic" ironic joke or rehash a formulaic meme post to get replies.

>>17075669
No I mean wider userbase and more quality so it's not about the userbase themselves

>>17075898
what do you think contributes to there being more shitposting? popularity I guess?

How will you cope with the fact that deranged leftists can't tolerate any community being even 1 % non-leftist?

>>17075901
cross posters

hiding one hundred threads at a time is too much
something needs to change
>support the /lit/ cleave

>>17075445
Just make a fucking subreddit or a discord already. The problems people talk about are for the most part only problems because the one taking issue with them does not agree with them (/pol/tards or reddit tourists).

>browsing /lit/ for years now and I am currently unhappy
Anon, tell me please. When did this place make you happy, ever? I'm laughing early in the morning reading your cliche.
>you probably all know about some of the problems we have here.
Fresh new problems that weren't here ever before right?
>My plan is to host my own imageboard for some topics all centered around literature, philosophy and science

www.goodreads.com

>>17075597
>This board is turning into /pol/-but-longer and it fucking sucks.
Let's pretend you're right - I imagine if it was the other way around you wouldn't take an issue with it, correct?

>>17075931
based misatoposter

>>17075945
Political discussions aren't /lit/.
>>17075931
Newfag hands typed this.

>>17075895
It is how Reddit essentially got killed. The website was made more and more accessible in order to invite the crowds. And with that content degraded rapidly. Part of the reason, 4chan is at least somewhat bearable is that it looks like shit and is barely usable on mobile.

Barrier of entry needs to be high. New users should just be confronted with walls of text instead of simple, digestible images.

>>17075966
Politics you don't agree with are not /lit/, according to you, who could've seen this coming?

Hmm I wonder whether it would be smart or stupid to include a board for political theory. I don't think it belongs on a literature board and it is interesting on its own, but making a poltical board might attract stormfags

>>17075976
>Barrier of entry needs to be high.
This, absolutely this.

>>17075966
>don't agree with post
>newfag
sure is meta

>>17075923
Discord just turns into an echo box or a cancellation squad. Make an Image board.

By virtue of not being started by /a/ poster will improve your board. If they can't weeb over to /a/ when it suits them, you will get an increase in quality. I hide most weeb threads with few regrets.

>>17075990
Hello retard, I've never said that.
>>17076024
>Fresh new problems that weren't here ever before right?
The fact that you were implying that the answer of this rhetoric question wasn't "yes" means that you are a newfag, yes.

I think a textboard would be better suited than an imageboard, thoughts?

not having porn in the same location would improve quality

who cares? /lit/ is far from perfect, but this is just stupid and pointless desu

>>17075445
Your proof of work idea was theorised in the early days of email to combat spam. I’m willing to bet there’s some kind of forum or network out there on Ethereum which has these features. However I think a better solution is to just make better posts. Longer walls of quality text scare off posers.

>>17076036
>Discord just turns into an echo box or a cancellation squad. Make an Image board.

You don't get it. People who write walls of texts about "the quality of the board" are 95% of the time are only upset about the fact that they have to see opinions that they don't share. It's how the reddit/twitter mentality manifests in tourists.

Discords and subreddits are exactly what these people want - a hugbox where their views will never be challenged, only amplified as their circlejerks approach the point of singularity.

>>17076045
Case in point. Notice how these posters are always humorless and femininely emotional. They respond to banter by digging in their heels and crying more and more until Daddy makes the bad men go away. God bless /pol/tards for filtering these retards.

Where would I find the best /lit/ archive?

>>17076105
You are so dishonest, a single post about how politics don't belong on /lit/ - stated by the stickt&rules of this board - and you already create a narrative in your head. Peak jewish behaviour, manipulating language and discourse to pose yourself as the victim.

>>17076045
>implying that the answer of this rhetoric question wasn't "yes" means that you are a newfag, yes.
>implying implication about implied implications
Newfags aren't the new problem, new users like yourself. No, you're not the problem.

Have you really been here for years?

>>17075445
I started thinking about something that would save me from this boredom. But people are the problem, anon. I started designing something that would be totally free and that people can coexist.

Everyone is granted the right of shit posting. No matter how f retarded you are. Without any consequences, given you do it on the right place. Then there would be different 'spheres' of the same subject. My main issue is how to make someone get access to the next sphere without being blocked by herd mentality and some other shit.

I made a bunch of notes, I will see if I can find them and see if it helps you in anything.

>>17075471
No, this is stupid and elitist, people should be enlightened.

>>17075901
Zoomer culture and internet culture. Too many people see the internet as a "meme factory" or a place whose only purpose is comedy (horse-beaten irony) and politics.

People know what gets replies and that's all they want. 4chan is no different than Facebook, Twitter, or the YouTube comment section. People now craft posts to maximize replies. They don't care about the content or actual discussion they just want replies. It's the same thing with Twitter and YouTube. People craft their tweets or comments in the hope they will "blow up". It's sad since this is supposed to be a discussion board, but that's what internet and meme culture has done. It's turned everything into an irony contest.
I hate it. You can't have a discussion on this board without some zoomer coming in and posting an "epic lol so random epic proportions of irony" comment in an attempt to get mass replies. Most of the time it's stupid inflammatory shit because people know that will get replies. This website is awful for discussion. The internet is awful for discussion. It's not possible because of "meme culture".

Just split /lit/ I don't want see constant Christian/religious imagery every damn day. I don't want to hide one hundred threads just to hang around. Fiction and non-fiction shouldn't have to tolerate each other unless they want to cross post. Let Non-fiction have the advice posters. Books for this feel?

I like the idea, also the opportunity to discuss literature in other languages in its own language. I miss the Hispanoamerican literature thread.

>>17076156
They need to remove image posting on /lit/. The board's quality would improve a hundredfold.

pls

>>17076134
>>17076134
English isn't your first language and that's okay that you don't follow along American internet culture.

>>17076155
Trolls have always existed. This is not zoomer culture. Although I agree that this "meme" shit is disconcerting and annoying.

>>17076172
I think you have a point. I'm reluctant to admit it, because I do enjoy some images, But I'd give it up for an increase in quality.

What do you think about a direct messaging system? I hate setting up a new cockmail for every anon I need to talk to.
>>17076062
>>17076172
I disagree, charts and the likes are actually useful. I see where you are coming from though.

>>17076187
you can still have limited image posting, many text board users simply post links to image hosts.

>>17076180
You americans are so poisoned by irony, partisan politics and victim culture that you can't even try to make a point without deconstructing the other into a caricature for your own intellectual masturbation.

>>17076134
One of my great-grandmothers had a jewish sounding name, but she wasn't jewish to my knowledge, so nope.

>>17076156
The islamic discord shilling their shit are much more annoying than the christians, not in the least because they don't even pretend to be philosophically inclined.

>>17076213
Agreed.

>>17076218
>had a jewish sounding name, but she wasn't jewish to my knowledge
so she was a hidden jew?

I would only go if images are blocked, and if pathetic self-shills are banned. If I see Nick Land make one sad threat about himself, I am out of there.

>>17076213
>can't even try to make a point without deconstructing the other into a caricature for your own intellectual masturbation.
>irony

>>17076272
She was present during the last days of the third reich, and she was never under the threat of being deported, so the only way she could've been a jew was if she bribed some official to falsify her documents. She and her husband were never particularly rich, only middle-class, so I don't think such a thing happened.

Imagine what a group of hundreds of well read intellectuals could accomplish when having a platform to share ideas quickly and without all the "meme" bullshit that is going on here. That's something I definitely want to see some day.

>>17076105
>Whaaa! I'm so oppresed because my BOLD ideas make you incomfortable!

No cuck. Listen up, I'm going to explain some things to you. You /pol/fags are a cancerous meme. Nothing more. You're not here to discuss literature in good faith. You're here to completely shit up the board with political trash and bait threads. You get mogged consistently by probably newer posters who still engage with you guys in good faith. Before long though, they realize that if you disingenous faggots are losing you will alter reality, trade it for conspiracy, and craft a fantasy where your inane ramblings make sense. No one is disturbed by your ideas. No one finds them new or unique or even particularly engaging. Why? You lot ARE the NPCs of board culture. You think in binaries, you lack philosophical breadth and depth. You care nothing about literature or discussing and interpreting works with literary merit.

The exception is some Italian Fascists and the esoteric type, they may get memed on, but they don't shit up the board with bait, and they have legitimate discussion FOCUSED ON REAL LITERATURE.

I understand you normies can't comprehend texts very well so I have an analogy for you.

Imagine /lit/ is a playground. Our content is the equipment, and anyone who pleases is welcome to come enjoy abd play with the equipment. They can even use the equipment in wildly different ways, and share their interpretation or philosophy of playground etiquette. Then you have this one group of literal children. They're far less developed than the rest and instead of playing with the equipment. They shit into their own hands and begin flinging it at everyone else trying to enjoy themselves. They do this universally and all share the same characteristics. It makes the playground a much worse place to gather. It begins to reek of the shit of these children even when they aren't present. People are tired of cleaning up your filth.

Do you understand now how no why no one wants you here? Change your behavior and perhaps you will be allowed to enjoy the playground. You fragile insufferable lemming.

>>17076185
The problem is every thread is a troll or bait post. Go look at them. Every single one of them is some formulaic form of trolling in order to get mass replies.

>>17076327
Who are you arguing with? Is this pasta?

>>17076319
You need some form of filter by minimum critical thinking ability.

>>17076327
Let me guess, you found yourself pleasantly engaged with that Gravity's Rainbow thread the other day until that guy came in and said he refused to read it because there are some black guys in it. God that was pathetic. I think everyone agrees a useless freak like that should be banned, but how can that guy get banned without it eventually expanding to the point that people posting dismissive snark against books they find overrated start getting banned and everything becomes forced sincerity? Personally, I really dislike effortposts. It feels like the guy is either regurgitating some paper he wrote on the subject in college, or is being vain trying to seem erudite. Intelligent but low effort is the key to a good /lit/ post to me.

>>17075898
>rehash a formulaic meme post to get replies
Yeah basically Redditors took over the site.

>>17076195
>What do you think about a direct messaging system? I hate setting up a new cockmail for every anon I need to talk to.
>"needing" to talk to some poster on 4chan
ugh gtfo of here with that shit.

>charts

you can just post it as a list of text...

>>17076369
Let me guess, you found yourself pleasantly engaged with that Gravity's Rainbow thread the other day until that guy came in and said he refused to read it because there are some black guys in it. God that was pathetic. I think everyone agrees a useless freak like that should be banned, but how can that guy get banned without it eventually expanding to the point that people posting dismissive snark against books they find overrated start getting banned and everything becomes forced sincerity? Personally, I really dislike effortposts. It feels like the guy is either regurgitating some paper he wrote on the subject in college, or is being vain trying to seem erudite. Intelligent but low effort is the key to a good /lit/ post to me.

>>17076327
This fight has been going on for a long time.

>>17076387
Not really. That lame guy who would post threads of nothing but DFW reaction images even when there was no engagement at all was here for years. I'm not sure if he was just a moron or being paid by some publisher to market DFW. Either way good riddance since I haven't seen that crap in a while.

>tfw still having dope conversations on literature nearly a decade on this board
>watching constant cycles of newfags plateau when they get past the spoonfed stage and drown themselves in low hanging bait to alleviate boredom rather than assiduously self direct
Writing your own captcha won't make you get hard over Georgian English social life if it's not making you read those books already.

>>17076395
>novel has a black character
>author is a KEK!

ahh, a noble hwhite has come to save civilization!

>>17075445
Your message board will never have enough active users to be a viable alternative to /lit/. Also message boards very frequently get ruined by tyrant moderators. It's a nice idea you have, I agree that this board is shit, but this is probably the best well get.

>>17076395
dude idc what ppl on 4chan think about GR because most of you are fuckin stupid, but there was a guy in that thread who had ptsd from teaching in chicago public schools to the point that he just spams racist shit the second someone mentions a poc, and his shit triggered the hell out of some dude with the same "authorial voice" as op. deal with it, nerd.

>>17076453
>a poc
just go back for fucks sake

>>17076331
I do not know. I feel like 4chan has always been this way. The nice part about this shit-flinging is that sometimes you can actually learn something from it. The provocation aids in engaging with wildly different perspectives on a topic or issue. I always come back here when I feel like the other discussion hubs or forums I am part of are cultivating too much of a monoculture. Browsing this board is refreshing, although it can be exhausting.

>>17076456
as if you didn't end up on 4chan after whatever cheesy sub you used to post on over there got banned

>>17076369
>Intelligent but low effort is the key to a good /lit/ post to me
Give us an example of what this looks like then.

>>17076465
well this is true. /lit/ is fucking trash, but i don't even consider posting about literature anywhere else, if i have something to discuss in literature its either gonna be here or i keep it to myself

>>17076404
This post ignores the fact that people of all political stripes post politically charged content all the time, /pol/ is just the group who have the most taboo views.

>>17076453
zoomer post

>>17076487
the most taboo view is that neoliberalism is terrific for humanity and the only legitimate view, absolutely no one will agree with you. /pol/ shit isn't really taboo, it's just tedious because it's an extremely low effort grand narrative even lamer than marxism

>>17076195
I think that would honestly be a great feature addition, but maybe it would be enough to just add an email field

>>17076456
>poc
delightfully it can be used as an acronym for piece of crap

>>17075445
Something like Salo would also suffice but with less intellectual wankery and a bit of shitposting for the humour

>>17076550
dude, all that would happen is thots and/or dudes larping as thots would get all the simps into dms and the board's traffic would die off, then again taking those guys out of the general posting population might not be much of a loss

>>17075445
I like your idea. Would definitely use it.
Maybe OPs can decide if images are allowed in their threads, so charts etc. can still be posted in specific threads but "quality" discussion isn't interrupted by memes?

>>17076610
why do people think we need images for charts? you realize there are these things called "lists" that function in a manner almost identical to charts?

>>17076615
Wouldn't it be tedious to present things like "Liked X? Read Y next, otherwise read Z" in list form compared to a chart?

>>17076634
ohh, i thought you meant like the grid charts that just dump 100 books of some category at you. oh those charts with the branching paths, idk, i never take those seriously anyways

Thinly disguised meta thread. I like it.
For the record I don’t think a meta thread ever accomplished anything but it’s nice to be gathered together anyway. Think I’ll finish Psalms today.

Here's a thought. Maybe a bad one. Is it possible to discourage a behavior without banning it outright?

>>17076761
Yes, I honestly thought about that too. Banning is fucking primitive. The internet is the fucking realm of thoughts, there has to be a way. But I couldn't figure out a good one to prevent certain things.

>>17076487
>missing the point

It is not about taboo. It is just tired, eye-roll inducing behavior.

you'll just make another dead imageboard with 2.5 posts per month

>>17076784
(cont.)
Mainly because fear of ban might stagnate discussions. Nothing worse than not saying something because you might get ban hammered.

Let’s get real, none of you are doing anything.
None of you are going anywhere. This is my 13th year. You guys know how this works. You will die on this website.

>>17076824
No, anon. Doesn't have to be like that.

>>17075445
Theres some cool stuff that could be done using web3 as another option, make it decentralized and say fuck it to the trolls

>>17075990
No, retard. This is EXACTLY what I was referring to. When you are a political zealot, it is literally unfathomable to you that things could exist outside the capacity of politics. It's NOT your specific political viewpoints that make something /lit/ or not. It is THIS LITERAL IDEA I am trying to address. People don't hate /pol/ because of the specifics of your beliefs. Love trannies, hate them, love orange man, hate him, think the Jews are behind it, whatever; I could not give less of a fuck what someone believes politically. What I hate is that you dumb fucking devotees praying at the altar of your chosen ideology can do literally nothing else but talk about how literally anything relates to politics. If you're a leftist, everything is in the context of your leftism. If you're a rightist, everything is in that context. Suddenly, nobody is actually able to discuss the thing itself over the fucking cacophony of the eternal ingroup/outgroup battle. It's so fucking tiresome.

>>17075445
kek I haven't seen this thread before. neck yourself faggot

/pol/drones are like vegans except assholes. You are literally just a different flavor of vegans. Need to let everyone know why you don't eat animal products or buy things from Israel.

>>17076837
That’s the way it is. Don’t blow against the wind

>>17076843
and honestly I might look into this cause 4chan is so fucking outdated it pisses me off. We need places to talk that cant be censored

>>17076824
maybe, but I tend to binge it until I get sick of it, then leave for years at a time. I'd be more likely to stay if it was better. How did History get its own board but not philosophy?

>>17076844
It is just idpol from the right side. That was established a while ago. But for every /pol/tard that gets educated there will be two new ones that swarm the blue boards. It will never end.

>>17076863
Building a forum isn't that unrealistic. People do that in college, anon. You talk like people are trying to found the new world religion.

>>17076869
How is 4chan censored?

>>17076900
mostly through bannings, or slide threads
there are a couple of handy infographics on thread sabotage and slide threads

>>17076900
There's a 99% chance that the anon you're replying to is mad that he can't post any or all of the following wherever he wants:
>video game threads
>e-celeb gossip threads
>threads about politics
>threads about politics pretending to be threads that aren't about politics
>cum threads

>>17076918
>infographics

>>17076885
Lots of people made their own forums or websites or chans or whatever. They’re all slow to dead.

>>17075445
I would use this but only if I'm allowed to avatarfag. As far as I know there's no real way to filter an open forum, if you want to restrict yours to the extent of improving the content, you might just as well make it private or delimited to a certain amount of users at once. Go balls-to-the-walls autistic with it and have the platform barred by a username / 2fa login, but scramble all the potentially identifying info both in authentication and posting. Make the system self-running, so no fagmins get to sell user spots. Moderators are limited to banning users. Pre-emptively select an interval at which new userspots are opened, based on an initial beta-testing period on a rough estimate of what you think would make a good starting user count. Make the whole thing open-source just for good measure.

>>17076806
/lit/ is small enough and has enough active users that may be interested in another site that it could work.
All the successful offshoots of the past 10 years were for pre-existing communities, ex. old /jp/ or 2014-era /v/. I don't think /lit/ is that bad but it is pretty hard to discuss stuff in detail unless it's one of those popular niches here like Evola, or a world famous work of philosophy or literature. Shitposts here usually get deleted, the problem is that most users genuinely have a surface level interest in the hobby - like most blue boards really. If you make a place for the more 'committed' types, I think it could be a success.

>>17076885
They used to do that. Modern internet landscape is fairly consolidated. Not sure how to escape it.

It is possible to steer board culture if there is enough agreement in the user base, like /s4s/ not rudeposting and lewdposting.

>>17076973
Also this
set a precedent

>>17076973
what happened to /s4s/ does it even exist?

I’ve been in probably 200 meta thread over the years across various boards.
Nothing ever comes of them. Their only purpose is catharthis, and as soon as it’s out of the system we go back to posting as normal. Keep dreaming

>>17076955
It's frustrating that interesting threads die so fast, I come back the next day with the hope of continuing a thread only to find it gone completely

>>17076989
Cleave the /lit/ !

>>17076985
Yes. They are comfy.

>>17076985
we have to actually do something now just to prove this anon wrong

>>17076933
>>17076959
Yes, but not a clone. Something different might work.

>>17076900
for shits and giggles, i checked the advert guidelines, 1st rule is "work for safe"

all i wanted to do was pay 20$ to force an untold number of 4channers being cursed with the visual knowledge of my scrotum.

is that too much to ask?

>>17076985
didn't stormfags go to 88 chan or some such? Sometimes things happen. I remember when Reddit didn't exist.

>>17076989
Yeah I was enjoying >>17032897 but stuff archives in just a few hours, lame.

>>17077002
Well fwiw I have recently started browsing again after a long break and noticed there is a lot less gore and porn on blue boards compared to the past. I guess janitors clean up much faster now?

>>17077006
I remember when Twitter didn't exist. The landscape does change, whether the individual changes is a different matter.

>>17076933
This but ironically

>>17075471
I remember a Brazilian imageboard that did something similar, you had to solve some maths problem to get access to the entire site.

>>17077082
wolfram alpha exists now...

>>17077082
This is beyond retarded, and Brazilian math students aren't that bright. Specially when it comes to literature. Just trust me on that one.

>>17075445
Make it so that you can only communicate in Attic Greek. (or Latin)

>>17077018
probably part of it.

i also went on a bit of a long hiatus; few years i think.

my guess is 4chan isn't talked about nearly as much as it once was, and some people got bored and left.

when i left, there were little wars with different sites, certain boards were factionalizing, and a few branched off and made their own boards.

can't speak for lit back then tho, i was never on it then.

as far as bans/behaviour, maybe a few pronged approach could work.

i agree with avoiding bans, however, a cool-off period may serve well when a discussion isn't exactly fruitful. people sometimes get personally invested in a stance and might be wearing blinders at the time.

clearly spelled out guidelines on expectations can go a long way.

maybe some sort of voted on "thread or comment of the week" as a good incentive/modeler for what the board wants.

on a rather old board, i recall a no holds barred "flame room" where the whole idea is you try to out shittalk anyone else there. with the understanding that everything stays there. i suspect it prevented a lot of the "not of best mind" issues, catharsis type stuff.

>>17076013
Would be smart as long as there is an explicit rule to prohibit discussion of american politics

Lit used to be a slow board, or so the sticky says. now that it is not, is a great time to split /lit/. Part of the problem is tourists from other boards starting, Is their any good dragon book? threads. When they will be on to something else in six months. People don't use the resources or Google, but their is always some /LIT/ attention whore ready to bang on about Dragonriders of Nigeria to every turbo-pleb that stops by. If everyone referred people to the sticky maybe interesting threads would stick around longer.

>>17077489
Which Bible should I buy, guys? The one with Jesus in it nigger.

>>17075919
>cross posters
why do you think there more cross posters than before?

>>17075445
This won’t be work. Get rid of the moronic crypto mining idea and just make users have an ID like what /pol/ does. This place is a shithole precisely because it’s anonymous.

>>17076155
>The internet is awful for discussion. It's not possible because of "meme culture".
what do you think is the best online community for legit conversation with minimum meme-tardation?
>It's the same thing with Twitter and YouTube.
Surely it's worse for twitter and youtube and reddit because people can save their brownie points on their account

>>17077513
not necessarily, but if your site is only for books, then the fit kids with only a passing interest in books won't make the leap.

>>17077563
yeah ok. kind of like even if a thread isn't about books, you just want to be hear the response of people whose hobbies are adjacent in some fashion to books kek.

Years ago, I was almost afraid to post here, it was so serious and high highfalutin. If your semicolons weren't Mozart-esque you got corrected. It's a femoid joke now. I don't understand these people who say it hasn't changed in any appreciable way.

>>17077554
>what do you think is the best online community for legit conversation with minimum meme-tardation?
I don't think there is one and it couldn't work now due to meme culture. Every social media website or discussion board's user base posts solely to get recognition or attention. Nobody wants to discuss. Nobody wants a dialog. They want to be liked. They want to be upvoted. They want to be told they are smart. They want to argue why you are wrong. You won't find discussion anywhere because inherently posting on the internet is narcissitic and about getting recognition. It's the closest your average schmuck gets to being famous and recognized across the world.

Gamefaqs unironically has a literature board, or some similar website. The content on their was good, but it wasn't very active and the last post is from 2010 or 2012.

>>17077608
I posted there a few times, I remember making a topic asking how people felt about spoilers and was surprised to learn most didn't care.
That side also had a cool small community on the rock board, it was still mostly pleb stuff but above average in taste, and they had their own spinoff site too.
I think you are right to some degree about internet narcissism but it's not that bad. Instagram and Twitter can be unbearably narcissistic yet the rest are more mild.

>>17075445
I'm not joining your .tor hosted cryptocurrency mining bullshit site. Honestly you would do better to get some jannies who aren't garbage shills promoting their stupid books (Horia Belcea, etc) and then just have a decently moderated /lit/ clone. Jannies on 4chan suck because nobody fucking vets them right and there's also nobody monitoring them when they're abusive. Those are things you could avoid if you're a good admin. Just host an anonymous imageboard and manage it well. Anyone who says FUCK JANNIES for me saying this probably doesn't actually care for quality control and is therefore in all likelihood a troll who should never join your new site anyway. The problem with 4chan jannies isn't that they're jannies but that they're fucking shit and there's no admin actually keeping them in check who answers to the community's best interests.

>>17077687
what's wrong with the jannies exactly?

>>17077687

>>17077704
/lit/ has had real lame janny abuse in the past. There's some amount of evidence that butterfly is a janny, but that's neither here nor there. There was definitely a janny shilling his bullshit book on here with endless and annoying spam. When people tried to contain it with a general not made by himself, he deleted that thread and people started to realize he was a janny. Then there were a LOT of thread and post deletions and outright mass bans for calling him out on it and piecing the theory together. Now besides all of that, /lit/ and other boards on 4chan have a history of jannies letting bad threads continue existing and moving or deleting actually on-topic threads. Jannies on 4chan get away with all this bullshit because there's no checks on them, nobody looking out for the community who can actually ensure that they do their job right.

>>17077778
>there's some amount of evidence that butterfly is a janny
like what?

>>17077820
Posts getting mass deleted when she was directly insulted in one thread.

>>17075445
I'm all down to doing this. What language did you think of using? What infrastructure? Also, i believe it can just be a normal website, no memes like onion. A normal website where users(preferably anonymous) post their stuff.

Its stupid having fic and nonfic together. I hate having genre shit on by philosophy fags. OOOH scifi is for kids. I don't go in your Socrates thread and call your author a nigger. How is this not obvious? How has the status quo remained for so long? Its like they want to people to get into shitflinger matches rather than share some mutual interest. FTGE.

Also can we discourage sexuality? I don't care if you are gay, but now I suspect every femoid of being a trap picture. There are other places for that. That's why people hate gays. They can't set it down for five goddamn minutes. Traps are as bad as furfags. FFS stop trying to recruit straights on the internet. You are making gays look like retards with your hyper-sexualization.

>>17077778
which book? I know of only the "call of the arcade" shilling guy or waldun. shilling in the way most people do it by making unsubtle threads about your book actually isn't against the rules - it's only when you post a link to it and the book isn't free to read that it becomes advertising. so if obvious shill threads are undeleted, it's because they're not linking the book in most cases. telling people to buy it would still be against the rules though

>>17077882
maybe he means that Belcea guy

>>17077882
>>17077912
Yes Horia Belcea.
>telling people to buy it would still be against the rules though
He sort of did do this at the start.

>>17075445
The only way to make /lit/ good is to fire all tranny janitors and make it mandatory to talk only in Latin.

>>17078003
>make it mandatory to talk only in Latin
>not Greek
NGMI

>>17077778
i recall mod abuse in the past; specifically of the gaslighting/ban abuse sort, either deliberatly altering a thread to misconstrue various debaters stances (i recall it becoming prevalent when some self identified sjw's hijacked some boards), or arbitrary bans the moment particular posts where made to look dumb, and the thread "cleaned" shortly thereafter.

arbitrary bans were kinda expected in the past

>>17077975
i think i missed it
for now i'd just report it as advertising when it happens and if it stays up then take it to feedback/irc

>>17078042
It never happened. Anon is retarded. I was posting Belcea threads too cause it was funny and newfags were seething. As far as we know, Belcea never posted again after everyone made fun of his book.

>>17077704
>>17077882
>>17078042
Also fuck off back to discord janny retard

>>17078053
>t. Belcea
The bans happened and the thread deletions happened. Why would you pretend they didn't?

>>17078003
>only latin allowed
>no trannies

suddenly hermaphroditus

>>17075602
Tbh that would just need a quick google search

wut's a janny?

>>17075720
I’ve had great arguments here by phone. I’m phoneposting rn too.
I once made a three paragraph phonepost about a very niche book I read and got no replies. On the other hand, there was a post about basically tfwnogf with a qt as Thread Image that got tons of replies.
It’s not the tool, it’s the content that should be filtered.

>>17078102
janitor,like a moderator

>>17078093
why not just make the captcha be

"form a sentence with a minimum of 1 grammatical/spelling error"

would seriously cut down on sperglording

>>17078081
Maybe you were getting banned cause you were reporting the threads like a retard despite them being on topic. I didn't get banned.

>>17077869
>OOOH
>FTGE
>FFS
The absolute state of genre fic readers

>>17075670
Mindless consoomers who stare at their phone all day. No quality content is to be expected from them.

>>17078142
No I wasn't reporting the threads.

>>17075990
This. This entire thread is just ass-blasted lefties muffed about people discussing politics they disagree with, when political theory clearly falls under the purview of literature so long as it revolves around literary works and writers. Even given the blatant one-sided censorship, these seething little pussies still can't deal.

>>17078187
Post the bans then. What were they for? I don't know what you're talking about but I know there was at least one schizo like yourself in every thread saying Belcea is promoting his book despite it being free on libgen since someone uploaded from the first day

>>17078200
>>>/pol/

>>17078226
You will never be a woman

>>17077437
any contemporary politics should be banned

>>17077869
i don't come to 4chan for a hug box, i also don't seek out conflict.

disagreements are bound to happen when it comes to inclination, and i'm just as entitled to my own shit taste in writing as you are.

sex, being a rather important topic in human history, taboo or not, is bound to pop up in literature. just like food, serial killings, child rearing, rituals, sodomy, et cetera. because you've got a good number of hangups/repressions doesn't mean everyone else should.

fic and non fic both fall under literature. if you are bothered by philosophy fags shitting on scifi, why?

>>17078226
>sees someone pointing out censorship
>doesn't care, only cares about my team vs your team

As always, the behavior of leftists makes me sympathize with the nazi by default because at least he's "speaking truth to power."

>>17077869
>scifi is for kids.
It is, fuck off

>>17078243
>anon just finds out communists only exist through censorship

>>17078210
I cannot comprehend why anyone would be more critical of people saying Belcea was promoting his shitty book than fucking janny Belcea, unless they were Belcea themselves.

>>17077687
>Jannies
The old question of who watches the watchmen.

>>17078243
I am not a leftist or whatever weird label you guys are coming up now. I just think children who share infographics and take them seriously belong there.

>>17078252
Then you probably get confused trying to understand many simple things in life.

>>17078267
Not sure which half of your post is more retarded

>>17078268
If you say so Horia.

>>17078266
i thought it was some obscure reference to ottoman warriors or some shit till friendly /lit/ cleared it up

>>17078119
The issue with the smartphone revolution is firstly it lowered the inherent barrier to access and as a consequence the number of users increased, diluting board culture.

>>17076844
Why is this such a problem for you? Just ignore the threads discussing political books or writers. Problem fucking solved. Politics is just as /lit/ as philosophy, to ban one but not the other holds zero logical merit.

>>17078276
Who cares? This bottom of barrel filth, which only impresses mental lightweights, belongs on /pol/.
If you want to believe that you are "fighting leftists" here feel free to do so.

>>17075720
"effortposts" are almost always a waste of time, but I agree phoneposters are retarded consumerists

>>17078333
Are you mentally challenged? He just posted an image as a vehicle to transmit his idea and you sperg out about the medium he chose. You're the barrel filth.

>>17078294
Are you suggesting our jannies aren't kidnapped slave troops?

>>17078313
>>17078338
My mental image of a phoneposter is those mouth breathers on the subway who infini-scroll endlessly staring at their screen. Wish I had an image accompanying this.

>>17075745
Seriously this

>>17078367
>not using temporary firefox containers

>>17075597
Political philosophy isn't politics, and cordoning it off on /pol/ with the qtards, wignats, etc., will simply kill the topic on 4chan. If you don't like political philosophy, then just filter the topic and make threads about what you find interesting instead of bitching.

>>17078354
>here at /lit/, our mod team is manned/womanned/intersexualed by the freshest of slaved ottoman transexuals

>>17078329
>just ignore it bro!
literally impossible. if you filtered the bullshit, 80% of threads would be hidden. good threads would be hidden due to some faggot posting "jew" and "tranny." good threads are dying every hour for a dumb anti-womeme or jewb8 thread

>>17078403
using bigger words and writing longer posts than /pol/ doesn't make it higher quality

>>17078411
>by the freshest of slaved ottoman transexuals
if my knowledge of history serves me correctly they did have eunich(close enough) serving in the harem as the women there were only meant for the sultan

>>17078421
I'm convinced that most of the pussies complaining about /pol/ have never actually visited /pol/ in recent years. It's an absolute shitfest, and not even the worst /lit/ trolls ever match its shittiness. No, not all rightwingers are /pol/acks. No, that "/pol/ raider" is more likely to be a /lit/fag trolling other sensitive /lit/fags than somebody who regularly browses /pol/. Honestly, you faggots shit up the board more than the worst wignats because you're so easily baited, it's free (yous) every time. No wonder they never leave.

>>17078421
yes it does, moron

>>17078238
No one reads sff for the sex. On writing critique boards , porn, romance, and sexual identity shit like Lgbtq have containment areas, if you want to make something better than lit emulate this. Also, fuck you bitch. You should be on Twatter

>>17078435
bulkiest lexeme of that articulation maximally contains but a quintette of characters, brainlet

>>17078497
Not like you have anything useful to communicate

>>17078414
That's a complete fucking exaggeration, and even if it were the case, it would only present reasonable grounds for just spinning off a work-safe polphil board for people who want to discuss theory as opposed to what's trending in fucking Washington while having to wade through an unending sea of gore and porn bait threads.

>>17078540
>theory

>>17078414
welcome to planet earth, where the signal to noise ratio blows, even if you pay for it.

>>17078494
got it, you want a hug box

I'm out. This board sucks because it's hyper-sexualized, has too many bitches that talk without saying anything. Trap posters, boob posters, ugly girls That would have to pay me posters. Seriously zoomers and millennials have no standard for beauty. Leftists won't stop destroying things until America is a smoking crater and at this point it will be a genuine relief. I hope a comet smashes in to this repugnant world ending sentient existence. Though that is better than you toads deserve. I won't be missed, that would require having some taste on your part. I can only stomach this place drunk, now. Enjoy the collapse litniggers!

>>17078609

>>17078200
I once got banned for three days for posting a smirkingpepe.jpeg with ">female philosophers".

>>17076844
>What I hate is that you dumb fucking devotees praying at the altar of your chosen ideology can do literally nothing else but talk about how literally anything relates to politics.

All art (and therefore literature) is necessarily political, chud.

>>17078609

>>17078633
the politics of thicc

>>17078633
stop stating opinions like facts, commie faggot

>>17078574

>>17078609
Holy based

Whenever someone has a problem with /pol/ I automatically assume they're a newfag or butthurt. I dislike /pol/ to the extent that the board is a haven for newfags who often don't behave themselves on other boards, and because of the low quality of discussion there nowadays, but not because of their beliefs. They can think whatever they want. They aren't even that bad about invading other boards these days, it's just that most of 4chan's userbase is at least moderately "alt right," whatever that even means, so there's lots of crossover. It's not /pol/ "leaking" every time some random guy makes a racist joke or plainly states that he has right wing beliefs.

It definitely stands out as newfaggy to me whenever someone freaks the fuck out about /pol/ just because of some mild racism or because somebody said something disapproving about jews. Who gives a shit? That's their prerogative. You'll notice other 4chan users who aren't newfags just ignore it, the same way as they ignore a thousand other things they don't like. The only people who have a problem with it are people who are bothered by the views themselves, and are looking for a justification to censor or shame those views. The question is, then, what are they doing on 4chan of all places when the entire rest of the internet is out there catering to their tastes?

>>17078633
>all art is necessarily political
This is an interesting perspective, because while technically true (everything has an effect on everything else, and, therefore, literature has an effect on politics), it requires the belief that the most important thing about art is its political meaning, implying that everything is less important than politics. If you honestly believe that, you must be a terrible person to interact with. At the end of the day, though, you don't really believe what you're saying; your beliefs go back to rational after the end of one argument or another, and you go back to believing that the political is not the primary reason for existence.
Thank God for that.

>>17078712
Imagine reducing art to something as limp-dicked as material conditions or politics. Imagine looking at cave paintings and instead of seeing consciousness expanding you think about the redistribution of income or some shit.

>>17075976
>>17076015
This is honestly the lesson of the internet as a whole imo.

Which is also why I have a pet idea about different countries or cultural blocks having their own specific internet run on local cables or w/e the fuck I don't know a lot about tech.

>>17078828
Everything is so globohomo anyway at this point, it'd make no difference.

>>17078709
Absolutely this. To add on, I doubt that many of the overt "/pol/-tier" shitposting is from /pol/acks or even right-wing extremists. It just doesn't come off right, like somebody who is trying to pretend to fit in. My theory is that most of these shitposters are trolls (probably left-wing or apolitical) who enjoy getting a rise out of woke scolds. It's easy (You)s.

>>17076151
you could still lurk, as someone just starting out with /lit/ thats probably more enlightening anyway.

>>17078973
I defend right wing views more out of an interest in having discussions than anything, it helps you sort out how you view stuff and how good your reasons for believing things actually are.

>>17078726
i know some chick who made a ton of anti-trump art and of course got a few shows out of it because who in the arts doesn't hate trump right? well now she's stuck with piles of anti-trump bullshit that's going to be about as relevant as some anti-reagan stuff from '84. she was probably planning on getting at least another 4 years out of, womp womp.

>>17078712
>This is an interesting perspective
Cringe and get the fuck back to r*ddit

>>17079010
how goes the whole rampant fraud investigation?

>>17079166
i'm not pro-trump i think political art is shitty

>>17079166
this is why political art is fucking dumb, if i don't pretend it's good, i get called a republican. lame.

>>17078633
okay chud. It sounds to me like you're conflating politics in general with the specific forms of politics people get annoyed with: bourgeoisie political theater or retarded culture war shit.

>>17076155
Maybe DFW's New Sincerity isn't that bad, eh?

>>17079284
yeah egyptian monuments to the pharoah and frescos in the vatican are of course "political" but they are actually "good" unlike a lot of low effort orange man bad stuff. ok, i'm sure out of the thousands of portraits of bernie that people did over the last two election cycles a couple of them will actually be recognized as high art, but every time some some kid makes a bernie face out of macaroni it doesn't need to be deeply contemplated

lainchan is already a thing

>>17078633
You want politics? Here you go:
I wasn't asked whether I wanted to be born. I could not choose my place and time. The powers that govern me do not need my permission to do so. The laws affect me against my will. I am asked to participate to give credibility to systems I don't identify with. "It's the will of people!" And people are stupid! When was mass approval ever a criterion of quality? At least tyrants are honest in their violence.
Why care about other's tomorrows when my todays are quickly fading? Your longterm plans are no term at all. You have no answers to the human question
Your gaze is a myopicopia. My politics: the farthest shore to all seas.

>>17079651
>bitching about being born into a social species

boohoo

>>17079651
Cool post, and it's political. So what's your point exactly?

>>17079719
Politics is a tool for humanity's socialization. Like any good form of education it ought to make itself obsolete. I see no such efforts, only banal doings. The means is the end and I want none of it.

>>17079415
I actually think making a chan which has the arts and humanities as it's central theme would be substantially different. Lainchan's main theme is programming and "hacker culture" so their /lit/ board reflects that (the people who use it are interested in programming first, then literature second). A dedicated arts chan would be substantially different.

>>17079860
I like this idea, as long as there is an understanding that anime is not art.

>>17079225
I wasn't insinuating anything about your political views only whether the courts had decided to actually acknowledge all the evidence yet?

>>17079865
some is, 99%+ is not

>>17075445
We need some mechanism to keep /pol/ and /r9k/ out. Ban alt right and incel shit on sight

>>17079777
>Politics is a tool
Politics is simply the study of the optimization of human action and social dynamics, emerging from which a near infinitely diverse landscape of competing ideas and theorized methodologies. The implementation of those ideas is a tool. Divorcing yourself from political thought is not a rejection of politics, but merely a submission to the asserted legitimacy of those claiming agency over your life. Moreover any attempt at apoliticism is wholly immaterial as political decisions are universally made on a daily basis, knowingly or not.

>>17080087
This.

>>17079865
>>17079933
there needs to be a new aesthetic then. no anime, and no peepee frogs. letting that shit stay up would be like leaving logs of shit around and then complaining about flies.

>>17076155
Ironic since all of that originated in /b/.

>>17080087
>>17080122
this is such a dumb way to frame it through. look at all the impotent resentment baked into this post: "submission to the asserted legitimacy of those claiming agency over your life". I'm quite happy with the US government claiming "legitimacy" since it makes sure the food isn't poisoned, corporations can't cook their books without consequences, labor standards are enforced, organized crime hasn't been able to challenge state power, and so and so on, real life isn't ideal, grow up.

>>17080124
Anime isn't really associated with /pol/ or /r9k/. Actually, those sorts tend to yell "tranny" at anime images.

>>17080164
i'm just not interesting in having conversations with people who watch 100s of hours of cartoons

>>17080164
American cartoons only. Loony toons, garfield, peanuts, etc. Any kind of sexualized shit for autistic pervs can gtfo.

>>17080181
Lucky there's a visual identifier that can tell you to ignore the post then. Otherwise you might have a conversation with an animefag without even realising it.

If you do end up doing this OP, assuming it doesn't burn out into a two person echochamber within a couple months like most imageboards, just remember that the medium and structure ends up determining the overall message and character of the site. There are imageboards in every language and they're all pretty much the same. If you just make a literature themed 4chan, thats exactly what you'll get- with less users and more moderation/drama to boot. It would be better to make something similar but novel enough that it won't be burdened with 4chan's reputation and problems.

Some people ITT have suggested replacing image uploading with pdf/txt uploading instead, I think that's a really good idea. It would give the catalog the impression of a digital library, with several pages of pdf files and discussion beneath- it would also have a cleaner textboard feel, as opposed to the deluge of porn and visual racism that gets spammed here every day.

A textboard requiring a pdf upload of a book in order to start a thread could probably have a wide appeal. You could even get rid of the comment box in the OP which would filter clickbait and multiple threads on the same book. I wouldn't worry about making .onion sites or having users mine bitcoins for you, just do something clean and functional. 4chan worked fine for years without capatcha, just understand what niche you want to fill and keep things simple.

>>17075445
just go to reddit, what's the point of imageboards if have to follow some stupid guidelines all the time? can't we just be sincere? we are anonymous for fuck sake.

>>17080264
Implementing this would be a quick way for the site to fall stillborn off the press.

Word filters on based, cringe, and whatnot.

>>17080203
No one care about your capeshit Burger King.

>>17075445
Not bad of an idea, most of your goals are achievable.
I'm not quite sure about the mining part, that would be a great hassle, something like a hardware identifier is better than it but I think there's some way to spoof your hardware but I'm no expertise on that subject, there's already some php script for getting user hard drive UUID which make every single user almost unique.
>>17075577
Just don't style the website for phone viewing it would be unreadable, and put massive amount the ad to filter one who doesn't have adblock.

> this user will only recieve his credential string after mining a cryptocurrency for some time (I guess twenty minutes on average hardware would be sufficient)
I don't like this and for that i'm out.

>>17080347
An e-library with 150+ pdf files of books and articles uploaded by various autists here, and some limited commentary accompanying it would have enough inherent value of its own to survive being slow. I can't say the same about yet another 4chan clone.

It could also conceivably maintain a symbiotic relationship with sites like 4chan and reddit, by offering a convenient upload site to share and discuss books on. In the long term, creating a niche is a way better strategy than imitation, because there's already exist many 4chan clones of none of them are active or even very good.

Pic related is a mock-up of my concept. Clicking on a book title takes you to the pdf file, clicking on (view) underneath replies takes you to the textboard discussion. Having to read walls of texts without looking at tits and ass would filter most trolls and zoomers, and it would be the kind of site you could browse and post on at work without looking over your shoulder. Quality control would simply be a matter of having clear rules about what goes where (/sci/ for example could be limited to academic papers, no theory/non-fiction on /lit/, and so on) while the schizos can post however they'd like in the comment sections because that would be a secondary component to the website as a whole, which is a kind of anonymous rotating library. Because you would not have the reputation of 4chan hanging over the site,you cold also do promotional things in order to draw more traffic-- inviting people from goodreads and reddit or even reaching out to authors and academics and getting them to agree with Q&As-- which lets your website aspire to being more than a subsection of /lit/ circlejerking.

The most important thing would be to have a good background and font. Maybe even require a passcode to get into the actual site itself so you can filter out double digit IQ websurfers and bots.

>>17076151
It could work like the real captcha where you get like 3 free posts per every six hours or so but if you want to post more you have to take the test. It shouldn’t be an IQ test though, that's completely irrelevant for a literature board

>>17080789
some IQ tests use word puzzles like "a is to b as c is to d" True or False?

>>17080772
how would you distribute the passcode?

>>17080772
What's the point? Then it's just libgen with comments. There are already plenty of places to get pdfs online.

>>17076939
>I would use this but only if I'm allowed to avatarfag
Literally who (are you)?

>>17080772
This idea really fucking sucks dude, nobody will/should listen to you.

>>17080918
>There are already good things out there for people who are disatisfied with tracking, and for people who want better lit discussion. If you can't find them you should leave this place and try harder.
Ah yes, the mythical "better places", the elysian fields of bountiful literature discussion; always invoked, but never shown.

>>17080810
Word of mouth. Posting it on this site and others. Point would be to dissuade plebs who hear about the site but aren't clever enough to search through the archives or use google to get the passcode, while also making the site seem exclusive as opposed to just dead.

>>17080825
It would be a standard textboard with pdf's instead of topics. That would force users to at least pretend to be discussing books, as opposed to what we have now. Maybe there could be a /b/-Random section for low effort posting and general discussion.

>>17080941
It's more like a state of mind, dude.

>>17080677
Same
Plus no link to OP's effortposts and responses to effortposts. The only people mentioning them say not to do them and that they're a waste of time. So this is just another shit thread from the people ruining lit as it is.

>>17080944
Or just have decent moderation

It goes without saying, but no ecelebs

what is this p4chan thing I once accidentally accessed that asked me to make an account?

>>17080264
That would just turn into a piracy site and get taken down in no time.
No PDF uploads or you will run into problems

>>17075577
> not phoneposting
Stay mad hikki

>>17080677
But why?

>no image upload
>no pdf upload
Maybe you should just substitute the file upload for a url field. This way people can post images on third party sides or discuss articles they read. Or links to libgen.

Just allow images. There's nothing wrong with them.

One problem with that OP: People who use tor and care about anonymity won't enable javascript to mine crypto in the browser. Don't know if there is any workaround to this but for me this looks like a very weak point.

OP here for a last post before the thread dies, thanks for all your replies, I didn't expect so many ideas to be honest.
I'll be back when I have finished writing the code, hope to see you soon

>>17082163
BASED

>>17080087
Should 'human action and social dynamics' be optimized on a grand scale and forced down on everyone? The tool does not work without coercion. If you reduce politics to the realm of ideas you are just as impotent as I am - or tell me which idea is actionable in your eyes?
Yes, I do submit to a status quo, necessarily, like everyone. Even in violent rebellion you still employ a politic tool - you're right in that - right now- there can be no escape. How should I act then, if I want to escape? And don't be clever with me, I will not give up the amenities of life politics brought us.
Obviously I am political in the basest sense, but I don't want to be. Can you not dream of a world that doesn't need politics? You mention the 'immaterial' and that is very interesting to me, because it seems that is what is holding us back. I'm as material as the next guy, but don't you feel the urge to free yourself from this small-people-thinking?

>>17082226
>Should 'human action and social dynamics' be optimized on a grand scale and forced down on everyone? The tool does not work without coercion.
You seem to be conflating authoritarianism with politics in general, though it represents but one degree of one facet of the spectrum as a whole.
>If you reduce politics to the realm of ideas you are just as impotent as I am - or tell me which idea is actionable in your eyes?
Self-determination, private property, and the non-aggression principle.
>Obviously I am political in the basest sense, but I don't want to be. Can you not dream of a world that doesn't need politics?
So long as humans interact with one another, politics will always exist, but I can certainly dream of a freer world, one in which the rights of the individual are honored above all else.

>>17075445
Why should anyone believe that you wont be a power tripping narcissist retard like the moderators here?

OK guys upon reading these posts I decided to make my own website for lit
It's VERY VERY basic for now and I might keep improving it in the future and I hope this is allowed here but here's the link:
home of lit (DOT) com

>>17082548
>php
anon...

>>17082548
Nah, but seriously good job man. Got that up quick. Proud of you.

>>17082414
If groups of peple have to live together, compromises will always have to be enforced. There's no escaping authoritarianism unless you live alone, at least right now.
Why should someone be 'allowed' something solely on virtue of having been born before someone else? There is no moral justification for any kind of property and it will always lead to conflicts and resentment until it is resolved.
Enlighten me then. What are your ideas? Your goals? How are you going to achieve them? For the sake of argument, let me grant that politics is ubiquitous, but why then would you choose to engage this political dimension (exclusively)? Suffering is everywhere, but I sometimes allow myself some happiness.

>>17082566
lel it's the only webdev language I know. It gets the job done

>>17082571
thanks fren

>>17082548
Note I am not OP and I am not sure what he's planning. I just got inspired by this thread to make my own website for /lit/. I might keep improving upon it in the future. If anyone cares send some suggestions and tips to suggestions(AT)home of lit (DOT) com

>>17082637
https nice :-)

>>17080264
>visual racism
???

>>17082653
Enabled by default. Also there's literally nothing on the page besides basic web code. No analytics, no cookies, trackers.

>>17082678
Nice, I try my best to not be tracked but it's literally impossible. I'm even thinking about buying a 4chan pass so I can have my VPN on 4chan no one is anonymous here any more :-(

>>17078434
So. Much. This. /pol/ is so fucked up they got niggas trolling like they bots. I was a daily /pol/fag for about 5 years but made the exodus to /lit/ about 6 months ago. Shit will start to drive you crazy.