/lit/ - Literature

Why didn't Camou beat that bugeyed piece of shit up? He should have punched him into intellectual irrelevance.

>>17038821

The superior philosopher had already clocked J-P (Perpetual Ahegao Face) Sartre, it was unnecessary to follow up.

>>17038815
Yep. Camus is simply a better writer.

>>17038910
Based.

>>17038815
>Camus
Fucked many adult women consensually through his suave comportment and good looks

>Sartre
Had to get his feminazi girlfriend to groom teenagers for him to molest, they probably hated it because he was ugly as fuck

>>17039016
>leftist philosophers are pedophiles, sexual deviants, spiteful, mutated and ugly
who knew
physiognomy is real

I liked The Stranger more than Nausea

>>17039016
>Fucked many adult women
Degenerate

>>17038815

>>17039894
sartre is a better writer than ernst junger though

>>17039894
Someone post that except where LF Celine obliterates Sartre

>>17039977
>except
*excerpt

>>17038815
>that part in L'écume des jours where Sartre gets shot

>>17038815
At least Sartre could drive a car

>>17039977
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/sartre/comment/celine.htm

>>17039977
>>17040357
Sartre never stood a chance...

>>17040357
Destroyed.

>>17038815
based. Camus was GOD tier.

>>17038815
Sartre and Camu never stood a chance

I respect how it wasn't enough to mogg him with a better Philosophical system and an undeniably better prose. He had to physically mogg him with his looks as well, Sartre is pathetic

>>17038910
>>17038821
>>17038815
Dunno what your problem is and i havent read the other guy and only read half 2 books of sartre while writing on another topic bc bored in Bibliothek but he was a pretty based writer. Dunno what you mean

>>17039016
>Had to get his feminazi girlfriend to groom teenagers for him to molest
Based

>>17041880
Sartre never stood a chance against Camus' mogging. It never began for Sartre, in fact.

>>17041880

Sartre was a little bitch who used his pulpit at Les Temps Modernes to proselytize and push other intellectuals and philosophers in French academia into accepting an uncritical view of communism, in particular refusing to acknowledge the brutality if it well after it was entirely impossible to deny it.
Someone at Les Temps Modernes wrote a critique of L'homme révolté in which he called Camus a naive idealist. Camus got mad and wrote to Sartre, as the editor of the journal, that this was a low blow coming from a Parisian effete that defended gulags from the comfort of his cafe.
Sartre got VERY rustled by this and essentially called Camus a failed philosopher for failing to accept the critique.
Camus also 100% slept with Simone.

In 1952, Sartre snuck an article in the journal without telling anyone, which again was nothing but communist propaganda.
Merleau-Ponty took offence with that. Les Temps Modernes were supposed to be a literary journal, with various critiques on the era drawn from the experiences of litterature.
Also, Merleau-Ponty's Phenomenology of Perception wipes the floor with Sartre's phenomenological writings. In fact the essay on Cezanne alone is worth more than all the fucking ramblings in Being and Nothingness.
Also, there were rumours that Simone was crushing on M-P initially, but he shunned her because, you know, insane whore and all, and ended up with Sartre as a silver medal.

>>17041880

This...

>>17041880

... or this?

>>17041880
You unironically need a lobotomy. Kill yourself.

>>17042092
>>17042086
War
>>17042086
Nice grill btw
>>17042072
>based response

Thanks anon! Didnt know much about him and nothing about that. Im a bit smarter now :^)

>>17042098
You unironically need to stop beeing a waste of place
>beeing this much of an autist
Omg

>>17038815
Il y a dans chaque parking une présence invisible qui observe celui qui y marche seul. Ces espaces si refermés sur eux-mêmes, si fonctionnels communiquent à l'individu le sentiment de sa responsabilité et donc de sa conscience morale. L'homme qui marchait ce soir là dans le parking Saint-Michel se justifiait ainsi sa démarche rapide et de ses coups d'œils inquiets : son regard désaxé et virevoltant était celui d'un lézard dans un nuage de mouche. Il n'avait pas beaucoup de souci à se faire, le parking était désert et sa petite taille aurait pu faire croire à un éventuel observateur qu'il n'était qu'un enfant qui se dépêche de retrouver ses parents. Mais il est des entreprises qui ne réussissent que dans la solitude et, à l'acmé de l'action, c'est le bras, non le corps, qui frappe.
L'homme s'était arrêté devant une voiture beige. Après un dernier regard nerveux, il sortit une scie de son long anorak et se faufila sous la voiture. Son gabarit le cachait derrière un pneu, une ombre parmi les ombres. Pendant quelques minutes le bâtiment fut remplit de ces sons si caractéristiquement produit par le le frottement répété et régulier d'une scie à métaux sur la barre de direction d'une voiture cinq portes, quiconque a déjà eu la chance d'écouter ce chant du métal peut témoigner de la puissance des trémolos qui disent "tu rompras, mais pas trop tôt, tu rompras au troisième mouvement, celui où l'ange terrasse la bête".
Et puis le silence à nouveau. L'homme s'extirpa de sous la voiture, épousseta son manteau et s'éloigna. Il se murmurait à lui même: "Nous verrons, Albert ! Nous verrons bien si tu es aussi beau après être rentré dans un platane ! Tu ne te moqueras plus de moi avec ton nez à l'envers et tes chicots. Et tout le monde saura à quel point tu es insipide et si peu original. Encore quelques accidents comme ça, et ce sera moi le plus beaux de tous les philosophes français ! Jean-Paul Sartre : dernier des philosophe, grand lanceur du cubisme physionomique, je serai leur modèle à tous ! Et j'aurais toutes les femmes ! bon voyage Albert !".

>>17042072
>Merleau-Ponty
I've been meaning to get into him for quite some times now but I can't shake the idea that he's just a French Husserl. Why is he so interesting to you?

>>17040357
What an autist, Christ I hate the French sometimes

>>17038815
>came from working class
DROPPED

>>17038815
Yeah, actually al the writers that were attacked by Sartre(for example Celine or Bataille) were much better than him. Only good thing he ever did was promoting Genet and getting him out of jail

>>17038815
The Fall is absolutely based.

>>17042184
Face the wall.

>>17038815
why are the frogs such pseuds when it comes to philosophy? Every single word ever written by a French philosopher stinks of auto-fellatio. Heidegger was already bad enough, but then these faggots took him up because he fits their 20th woe-is-me nihilist fashion trends.

>>17042141
There is an invisible presence in each parking lot that observes whoever walks there alone. These spaces so closed in on themselves, so functional communicate to the individual the feeling of his responsibility and thus of his moral conscience. The man who was walking that evening in the Saint-Michel parking lot justified his rapid gait and his worried glances: his off-center and twirling gaze was that of a lizard in a fly cloud. He didn't have much to worry about, the parking lot was deserted and his small size could have made a possible observer believe he was just a child rushing to find his parents. But there are enterprises which only succeed in solitude and, at the height of the action, it is the arm, not the body, that strikes.
The man had stopped in front of a beige car. After one last nervous glance, he pulled a saw out of his long anorak and slipped under the car. His size hid him behind a tire, a shadow among the shadows. For a few minutes the building was filled with those sounds so characteristically produced by the repeated and steady friction of a hacksaw on the steering rod of a five-door car, anyone who has ever had the chance to listen to this song of the metal can testify to the power of the tremolos which say "you will break, but not too soon, you will break in the third movement, the one where the angel defeats the beast".
And then silence again. The man climbed out from under the car, dusted his coat, and walked away. He whispered to himself: "We'll see, Albert! We'll see if you look so beautiful after stepping into a plane tree! You won't make fun of me with your upside down nose and snags. And everyone else. will know how insipid and so unoriginal you are. A few more accidents like that, and I will be the most beautiful of all French philosophers! Jean-Paul Sartre: last of the philosopher, great launcher of physiognomic cubism, I will be their model to all! And I would have all the women! bon voyage Albert! ".

based

>>17042184
bougies aren’t worth listening to
the only exception is Proust

*steal your girl and double-team her
how do you react?

>>17039875
>Degenerate

>>17042852
Hey, cool it with the anti-Semitic caricatures.

>>17042072
>In fact the essay on Cezanne alone is worth more than all the fucking ramblings in Being and Nothingness.
The letter he wrote to Sartre about language and expressivity is better than any piece of theory Sartre wrote and it was a letter. MMP is incredible.
>>17042152
He’s much more in the world of psychology and cognitive science by way of phenomenology than husserl was.

>bro... just like... don't give a fuck, man

>>17043067
>being this bad at reading Camus

>>17043077
I've only read The Plague and I remember the main character getting over his wife dying minutes earlier thanks to "muh warm memories".

>>17043067
Based philosophy.
>>17043350
Based main character.

>>17042072
the problem of communism to sartre cannot be approached through retard american cold war stance. sartre had a much more nuanced view in that time than you imply, and merleau-ponty contributed to that bias. the problem of a politics of the working class remains today a central issue that neither communism, nor, mind you, fascism can resolve.MP developed into a spiritualism, his prose is religious and mystical in tone so it can enchant, but it still is a derivation and builds upon sartre, while sartre develops a philosophical anthropology that is realist and doesn't mystify social conflict through poetic prose.
Camus was a dilettant in philosphy that was what sartre exposed

>>17043350
fuck, spoiled

>>17042086
>>17042092
>comparing 30 year olds to 60 year olds
Yeah, I'm thinking based

>>17042152

> French Husserl
If he was that, he would still he incredibly based, but he really isn't.
His writing style is infinitely more accessible than Husserl's, he is a lot more interested in what Husserl would have called 'genetic' psychology, and which we would see as 'cognitive sciences'.
Think a French William James but who'se interest is primarily art, literature and the general experience of culture, rather than psychology.

>>17043930
Don't worry about it. It's one of the most underwhelming plot points in literature.

>>17043707

Up to 1956, no, Sartre had a ridiculously naive and unnuanced view of communism. He was called on it already too, you can read Jean Kanapa's Existentialism isn't a humanism for a lengthy critique.

Why does this board have such a hate boner for Sartre? He was basically just watered down Heidegger and was based for rejecting the nobel prize

>>17045003
>Why does this board have such a hate boner for Sartre? He was basically just watered down Heidegger

You answer your question.
The better one is why this board hasn't realized yet how fucking terrible Heddi is.

>>17044996
not true, you can read the notebooks for an ethics and you can read his eulogy for merleau-ponty that explains their relationship

>>17043056
>>17044760
thanks guys, sounds interesting. I will give it a read

>>17045003
Plenty of reasons. Remember that Russell and Sartre once joined forces to create some form of court of historic morality. In fact Sartre may be the closest French equivalent to Russell.

>hot new philosopher with big media presence
>legit but overrated work
>more known for his public interventions, personality and unconventional sexual life than for his works anyway
>beholden to a popular ideology and (especially) its political manifestation, both of which aged badly
>archetype of the left-leaning intellectual in his country
>big player in the ideological and political shitfest of dishonesty that was the public debate in his country at the time

Keep in mind after the French left spent years sucking the dick of the USSR and looking the other way whenever its abuse were mentioned, they did it again with Maoist China. They even ganged up on Simon Leys who was one of the first to describe how terrible the situation was. The lucid leftists among them that saw through it early were often ostracized. I'm no rightoid but the behavior of Sartre and his circle in those times was often pretty questionable. So /lit/ treats Sartre as some kind of embodiment of that whole situation, however excessive that may be.

>>17046465
>They even ganged up on Simon Leys who was one of the first to describe how terrible the situation was
This. Pretty sad considering Leys was basically the most prominent French-speaking sinologist of the times and that most of these people never set foot on China's soil

>>17045840

> not true

What isn't true? That Sartre was critiqued by Kanapas for being a bougie pseud as he himself was calling others bougie pseuds? How he refused to let Merleau-Ponty write articles on alternative views on Marxism because that would expose him as a brainlet commie prop piece?

>>17042275
You clearly have never read Pascal, not that this is surprising in the least.

>>17046505
you answer like a petty little person. you can read what I referenced or not. They still stand.
It's the greatest mark of a pseud and resentful person to try, like others do, to diminish genius through petty things like a conference popularizing an idea.
you either are able to read the major philosophy works or not, this is pointless, just willful ignorance.
I assume you're american. the french intellectuals had little wars over status, and Sartre was the greatest most well known philosopher in france after 45, so you can expect attacks, trying to cull some prestige for themselves. kanapa is a who. FCP wasn't known for thinking. it's funny how you accuse sartre of being a commie, then use a fervent communist's opinion to try to prove the opposite

>>17044996
you can read sartre's own works and make up your mind also.

>>17046949
>american

J'encule ta mère, pauvre con.
Reste ignorant.

>>17046966
Ça c’est envoyé !

>>17046966
The doi is
10.1080/00071773.1984.11007662
Lisez-le imbécile

>>17047111
>Lisez-le imbécile

Nice Google translate, dumbass.

>>17047147
I didn't use a translator

>>17047283

Pire encore.

>>17039903
Based and not a /pol/-tard pilled.
Sartre is still not good though

>>17045003
anti semite and jew hit a little too close to home with some of our /pol/ neighbors

What should I read after The Stranger and The Plague?

>>17049619
The Fall, The Myth of Sisyphus, and The Rebel

>>17043067
>>bro... just like... don't give a fuck, man
looking for bait pictures would be a waste of my time so i present this as a reply

>>17050426
>I don't have a counter argument, so instead I'll pretend to not care... by responding to your post
???

>>17050711
not him, but you can't really say you made an argument either

>>17048533
pas du tout

>>17051612
Mets un s à imbécile la prochaine fois, imbécile.

>>17038815
>this was a chad in the 50s
why was I born in this gay century

>>17040357
>Oh, I don’t wish little J.B.S. any harm! There where he is his fate is cruel enough!
>In my asshole where he can be found we can’t ask of J.B.S. too see clearly or to explain himself simply.
I love Celine so much. My favorite writer

>>17053427
he would still be a chad nowadays anon

bump

>>17053466
No, he looks like balding chudjak without glasses. If he was alive today he would be making incel threads on /lit/ using wellbecks novels as bait.

>>17053230
Merci, you're right.
Still, you didn't read it.

>>17054936

Pas lui,
Et mon objection initiale tenait plus au fait de vouvoyer quelqu'un pour immédiatement le traiter d'imbécile après.

>>17054966
Pas faux, je n'avais pas lu le message précédant mais c'est assez inconcevable.