/lit/ - Literature

Agreed. If it's not bots, the best solution is to engage with those anons and ignore the shit-flingers. If they don't get attention, they'll stop eventually.

>>17009726
Lol no I'm not going for this crybaby garbage. There's a million facetious (and some sincere) threads asking about black or woman authors that are immediately flooded with the most obnoxious screeching. Now you're whining that you can't talk about Evola or some nut without getting trolled? What a joke.

>>17009726

>>17009748
Niggers and femoids are not legitimate topics of discussion and are generally unwanted on this board. We are all men here and we need to act like it. You think an 19th century London’s men club would take anyone seriously bringing up “muh nigger pucci” garbage? Grow up

I T T: butthurt.

>>17009753
Lmao this is a tranny allegory

>>17009726
Stop using gaslighting you fucking faggot. You're upset you heard a different opinion. I can say every time I've heard it used it's been used incorrectly and I started seeing it as a new buzzword a year ago.

>>17009748
Those are bait threads though

>>17009726
Do you have any idea how offensive it is to being brainwashed and discovering the word by researching how you're being brainwashed then having stupid retarded white Tumblr whores overusing it, and using against you, when you say anything they don't want to hear?

>>17009767
>LARPing about 19th century men's club
>"Grow up"
This is embarrassing anon.
>>17009782
A good amount yeah, and there's also a good portion who're sincere and still get the same treatment. Look, I'm not here to say "stop shitting up the board" because it's inevitable, but at least don't pretend that the same people who cry about not being allowed their boring
fascism threads aren't the same people content to berate any non-white non-male author. It's the hypocrisy I find so annoying.

>>17009726
If there's anything I regret in these past 3 years it's ever using the word gaslighting because it's like giving retards lighter fluid.

>>17009799
>NOT THE NIGGERINOS!!!!

>>17009767
Read Bell Hooks and Toni Morrison, I'm a fascist and even I think you posted cringe

>>17009726
Go back to whatever shithole you crawled out of, you feeble pussy.

>>17009726
No one here is shilling neoliberalism outside of some econfags and lolberts. If you're asking why you get bullied for racism and sexism it's because philosophical inquiry is the almighty slayer of xenophobia. It doesn't take one long into philosophy to realize just how complicated and spontaneous human thought and behavior is. A worldview grounded in reality avoids sweeping genralizations because they're insufficient and lack breadth. Your worldview is predicated on delusions that are easily destroyed by anoyone whose thought about them. Your ideology is a meme that you came to not from being critical, not from inquiry and logos, but from literal memes most of which fail to hold up to serious scrutiny.

Your dissociation and schizophrenic beliefs are readily apparent to most and what's more, you have an entire board(safe space)dedicated to the circle jerking of your false reality. You open your mouth and reveal yourself to be an unexamined moron and then make this thread beacuse you're upset that someone called your stupid shit out. Eventually, I would think you would take a serious look at your beliefs, maybe apply some Catesian doubt to the dumb shit you believe and move past it.

In summary. Go back you insufferable weak minded twerp.

itt: butthurt

>>17010364
>Your ideology is a meme that you came to not from being critical, not from inquiry and logos, but from literal memes most of which fail to hold up to serious scrutiny.
t. Never read Baudrillard

>philosophical inquiry is the almighty slayer of xenophobia
t.Never read Aristotle
t.Never read Heidegger's black books
Either this is bait or an unironic Bertrand Russell (PBUH) worshiper, or someone who will one day become a Bertrand Russell (PBUH) worshiper

>>17009748
It's even worse, the bait black threads stay up while sincere Evola threads are deleted by tranny jannies

>>17010364
Why is it that when OP asked for non-neoliberal viewpoints, your response immediately directs towards xenophobia?

And then you proclaim only those who have thought can stand against whatever windmill you've set up -- directly implying non-neoliberalism is without thought.

Instead of perhaps proposing a salient reasoning, your post comes off as immediate recoil to the idea of a non-neoliberal thought being had -- of which you cannot fathom, ironically enough.

>>17010454
Ive read all of those including Baudrillard. I interpret based on what the world is like today.
>>17010501
Lel. I know what he's referring to when he says "mainstream neoliberal." Neoliberalism and anti-xenophobia aren't the same thing nor even related. If neoliberalism can profit off of acxeptance and tolerance, then it does so. It doesn't care about society, it absorbs whats popular and commodofies it.

I can fathom and have pondered all of your bullshit "realism" it's not reality, it's a coping delusion you use to explain the world that's far too complex to explain in such a binary fashion. You will never escape your ignorance if you don't seriously challenge your biases built not on reality, but myth.

>>17010559
>>17010559
>Ive read all of those including Baudrillard. I interpret based on what the world is like today.
Unless you are a tenured philosophy professor with a lot of money and connections, you didn't read all of Heidegger's black notebooks because they aren't all available, braindead globohomo neolib. Also it would be more or less impossible for you to read an understand all of the stuff I have just said, nor do you show any indication that you have

>>17009748
this guy's got a point. Would be best if people would just fuck off in general from threads about subjects they don't care for, but obviously that will never happen here lol

>>17010591
I've read Heidegger not ALL of Heidegger you. Cope with the fact that your worldview is based on a false reality. You faggots claim to follow truth but are the definition of "bluepilled." I oppose Neoliberalism. Fascism is Neoliberalism without choice.

The world on information at your fingertips, yet you choose to be ignorant.

>>17009767
>>17009858

I'd love to see a thread about Toni Morrison or Zora Neale Hurston here sometime, and I actually really enjoy the annual "Autobiography of Malcolm X" threads that seem to pop up whenever some newfag has to read it in High School.
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But a thread about "centering the voice" of some nonbinary nignog with a made-up vowel soup "oshawanda Shafeer Kwami ooga booga bix nood" pen name whose "brave" and "provocative" fantasy series set in Wakanda gets endlessly promoted by the NYT and prime window display real estate in some gay hipster bookstore/coffeeshop with a BLM flag on the door all because it's written by someone the “reading public” (white, midwit liberals with time on their hands) believes they have to worship or else - has every right to get put up in the catalog, but the OP of said thread should expect to be ridiculed and rightfully so.

>>17009726
>>17009767
>>17009813
Go back.
>>17010364
Based.

Because neocons and neolibs have created a system to get all of us to die for Israel

Notice that the one thing both democrats and republicans agree on is sucking Israel’s dick?

>>17009767
>You think an 19th century London’s men club would take anyone seriously bringing up “muh nigger pucci” garbage?
I know this is bait but the fact there's people that actually LARP like this here is hilarious

>>17010702
>>17010705

Crawl back to your cesspit, /pol/ vermin.

>>17010705
Now realize that 4chans fascism and Twitters Socialism was created as an extension of the 2-party disunity to trick millenials and zoomers into ideological warfare so that unity never occurs and Neoliberalism can keep subverting public outrage and commodifying social movements.

Then realize that corporate grade school is opposed to university "cultural marxism"(doesn't really exist). So that college grads and non college grads remain opposed in the exact same way. We're all tools of the Neoliberal Leviathan and ideological dogmaticism just serves our masters.

>>17009753
What if I told you...
This "meme" is older than half the people on this board?

>>17010673
I'm not going to brutalize you and make myself look like a sperg. When you are a little bit older you'll realize there is absolutely nothing about `philosophical inquiry' that necessitates any kind of genuinely moral view, and certainly not one that is consistent with your globolib values.

>>17010702
Still better than Russell

>>17010712
Truth hurts, now fuck off back to Israel

>>17010744
You dumbass. I've been here too long already. It's through scrutiny, self-reflection, and healthy skepticism(that I gained through philosophy)that I learned to question the pure bullshit of chan ideology and developed a worldview that though inevitably far from perfect, is far more universal and correct than the shit you cling to. Everyone of your core beliefs is built upon a shaky foundation be it outright lies or narrow interpretation of statistics.

>>17010737
When has unity of the masses ever occurred, shit is a pipe dream. It's just elites fighting other elites.

>>17010814
What do you base your worldview off? it's biased information all the way down

>>17010814
Based af, 4chan opposes reddit, reddit opposes 4chan, that which opposes both 4chan and reddit is enlightened

>>17010814
This is bait or you are a fool, you view the world and morality like a child. Start with Socrates especially in the Euthyphro and try to understand what he is doing. No moral axiom arises from skepticism, you have missed the entire point of what philosophy is.

>>17009726
This, why doesn't everyone agree with my retarded world view wtf

>>17010836
It's come close, but the instruments of control have always crushed them.
The Great Depression, many don't know it almost lead to revolution in the states, the New Deal wasn't FDRs idea, it was socialist pressure from labor organizers. OWS had massive support, what happened after that? The internet discussion boards where it was organized got turfed by opposing ideologies.
>>17010849
You're one hundred percent right. I take biased information and interpret it based off of observable phenomenon. I check sources on both sides and in between. You have to deeply understand how media is an arm of governo-corporate control and work quite hard to come to a more true interpretation of any event.
>>17010855
It's not bait you idiot, I'm attempting to answer OPs dumbass question. I've read Plato more thoroughly than is probably healthy. I'm not making an objective moral claim at all, Im saying that humanity, morality, and human nature are all far too complex to explain with poorly interpreted statistics and completely false or misleading "redpills." Philosophy taught me how hard the truth was to reach, but that if I work hard and think deeply I can reach a "greater" truth than this basic level over generalization that people let dictate their beliefs. It's not a moral position I'm taking, it's and epistemological one.

>>17010850
Which is what, what opposes 4chan and reddit? What worldview are you hinting at here? probably just some similarly stupid shit that is slightly more adept in its contrarianism

>>17010914
The New Deal was copying the Fascists, at least the first new deal, the second one was more influenced by the socialists. OWS was very based but see how easy it is to destroy a movement like that? I have thought for a while now though that the banks are a lightning rod that you can get both the right and left to rally against. Literally nobody likes them, while people do have arguments in favor of rhetorical memes like 'gov spending' or 'free market'.

Also about your biased info take, even your view that media is an arm of governo-corporate control, where did you read that?

>>17010918
Reddit: It's the corporations. Its the old white men.

4chan: Its the jews. Its the niggers.

Sane people: both of these are equally correct and incorrect. Corporations have too much political power and work to subvert the working class. Colonialim and racism did negatively impact black people, the effects still present. Jewish elites are elites first and Jews second. There are problems within the black community that aren't directly explainable by racism, even if racism is still present.

>>17010914
If you understood Plato you would understand that Platonism is not present in the earlier dialogues, Socratic philosophy is, which conflicts with Platonic philosophy later on in the texts. I'm glad you are interested in philosophy but if you continue down this path you will quite quickly realize that all of the things you are saying are rooted in the very things that you (or more appropriately, that the people who are thinking for you) find to be immoral. Ironically, something that both the left and right wing in Academia can agree on. With time you will learn young one

>>17010952
>The New Deal was copying the Fascists
If that's true then fascists were copying socialists. It was written and fought for by socialists workers party.
>OWS was very based but see how easy it is to destroy a movement like that?
It's incredibly easy for them and daunting...
>I have thought for a while now though that the banks are a lightning rod
Perhaps. Polls show 70% of Americans don't trust or feel represented by their government, you think that would be enough...

>Also about your biased info take, even your view that media is an arm of governo-corporate control, where did you read that?
Multiple places, Bernays and Kissinger essentially admit such. Chomsky's book was detailed and factual. Then if tou look at polls of what the public supports politically and see that neither party supports what the public does, you begin to wonder why that is. Media and ad culture explain this disconnect most readily.

>>17011003
You're a fool who is running from the truth and attempting to lean on the philosophy of great men to explain your worldview that lacks real thought and reflection. You haven't read Plato. I like how you seperate Socrates and Plato given that we only know Socrates based on what Plato wrote about him. With time you will grow child.

>>17011029
I'm a philosopher who actually took seminars on these topics, you are a kid with a social media account

>>17010974

Hi IQ

>>17011009
>fascists were copying socialists.
I mean yes lol, Mussolini was literally a socialist in the 20s. That 70% poll is misleading, it means they distrust the opposition gov(republicans distrust State, Dems the Pentagon, etc.). Banks, absolutely nobody likes them but like 20 people who took Econ courses and believed the bullshit.

I would not trust Bernays, Kissinger, or Chomsky further than I could throw them.

>>17010673
>Fascism is Neoliberalism without choice
>Fascism
>Liberalism

You are a mentally retarded person.

>>17011093
I'm pretty sure they are trolling anon, but if someone learned something from the exchange that's fine

>>17011033
You dont act like it. Your arguments have had zero substance.
>>17011074
I agree with your first paragraph.
As for Kissinger, it was never meant for the public to see. Bernays was a guidebook for the media and Manufacturing Consent is thebmist comprehensive look at how media dictates what forms of thought are "acceptable." I'm bot asking you to trust anyone. You would be a fool to dismiss the verifiable knowledge they demonstrate

>>17011093
Idk, what other ideology lets an elite corporate board and a dictator decide whats best for all of society?

>>17011140
They aren't arguments. I'm not providing you with an argument, I am pointing you towards literature that you should read, and telling context that you are ignorant of, and I'm doing it for free.

>>17011154
Fascism did not let the corporate leaders decide fuck all, it was firmly the dictator and the party deciding.

>>17011164
Except you've done neither, you claimed I was forming a moral opinion. I never did. You tried to equate Socrates with nothing and said I should read it, which I have and still do. What kind of LARP are you performing?

>>17011165
>what is the krupp family. What is the board of fasces and corporations.

Cognitive dissonance.

>>17011214
under his thumb is what they were

>>17011222
Oh please, maybe in some fantasy. The dictator did their bidding and created a work place where they couldn't be questioned

>>17009748
>Noooo not the heckin' niggerinos nooooo

>>17009726
I think its more that the far left and far right despise their opposition and 4chan has a lot of far left and far right people shitfling at each other.

>>17010364
>If you're asking why you get bullied for racism and sexism it's because philosophical inquiry is the almighty slayer of xenophobia.
Philosophy and Xenophobia are not mutually exclusive.

>>17011251
I think you're the one with the fantasy here, he had the actual power. I suspect you have a reason you want to believe this too and it sounds like 'x is y in decay'.

>>17010974
You're not sane.

>>17010364
>If you're asking why you get bullied for racism and sexism it's because philosophical inquiry is the almighty slayer of xenophobia.
This is rather silly, Hume, Kant, Hegel were all racist for example. And everyone was sexist before the 20th century.

>>17011202
`You tried to equate Socrates with nothing and said I should read it' is incomprehensible, unless you are trying to engage in some kind of continental radical Steinian-Heideggerian beat poetry

>>17011271
Not entirely, but only a poor philosopher who had entirely abandoned reasoning and reflection would try to paint broad swathes of humanity in such a narrow and simplistic fashion, espescially in the modern world. Races arent monolithic binaries and ascribing a set of perceived values to a group in an attempt to explain a complex world illustrates a lack of critical thinking and a complete dismissal of Philosophys core tenants.

>>17011309
Hitler without the support of industry leaders and Mussolini without trade unionists would be little more than motivational speakers

>>17010974
>Reddit: cringe
>4chan: based
>le sane moi: cringe reddit but more words

>>17011380
Please stop posting

>>17011317
Which is more a sign of the times they lived in, if they practiced what they preached, they would've been able to see the flaw in their thought. Today we have access to detailes histories and thinkers the world over. I never claimed that the thinkers were bastions of acceptance, only that their ideas would inevitably lead to such.

>>17011421
I'm pretty sure they practiced what they preached anon, it's like you've never actually read philosophy

>>17011421
Seems more likely that your perception is the result of the times you live in

>>17011421
What is the flaw in their thought exactly. What good reason is there to be an 'antiracist' rather than a racist?

>>17009777
underrated

>>17011442
Oh....so you agree. Good.
>>17011443
Racism is a poor method for interpreting the complexity of human thought. The "other" is not seperate from the self, he resides in all of us. The undesirable features that racists ascribe to race are present in all of humanity including yourself. Focusing on one or another race ad the source of something negative ignores the fact that removing race won't fix the problems inherent in all of humanity.

Humanity is something every human has in common. With it comes everything you pin on one racial group. The goodness that comes from racism would be possibly acquiring significant enough unity that humanity could actually progress in a peaceful and logical fashion.

>>17009797
Yes actually. I lived with a fellow who had been systematically gaslighted into psychotic neurosis while being fed ketamine, it's one of the most tragic things I've ever witnessed. Years later, my sister accused me of gaslighting, the moment she found out about the word's existence, she would whenever she'd lose an argument which she'd always start. I was horrified and disgusted. It wasn't until our father who has a phd in a scientific subject found out, months later, and told her to her face that she was utterly ridiculous.

I lost the last of the respect I had for her and our relationship has not been the same, and never will, again.

I'm sorry that happened to you brother.

>>17010364
>No one here is shilling neoliberalism
Horseshit

>>17011466
This is plagiarism of a bastardized version of Levinas, which is certainly not "a central tenant of Philosophy". Of bad comparative literature, yes, terrible plagiarized mutations of Levinas probably is a central tenant of that. Also, philosophy does not have "central tenants", you are looking for traditional theology.

Unironically.... there are far more geniuses on /pol/ than on /lit/.
>There are also more retards.

>/pol/shits spread their cancer and buzzwords all over the site for the last 5 years
>boo hooo why are people not liking my threads ;_; i'm a victiiiim

>>17011513
Why be a cuck?

>>17011512
I've frequented half a dozen boards in the last decade and something and /pol/ is BY FAR the dumbest cesspool of all. No originality, no wit, nothing of value. I'm convinced the majority of it consists of the dumbest zoomer neets out there.

>>17011513
this

cant go onto the fucking anime porn board without some diatribe about jews and white demographics

>>17011271
Most philosophers are Xenophobic as they typically believe change and the multiplicity of things is possible and not an illusion. :^)

>>17011529
The average argument on /pol/ is much more logical than what you see on somewhere like /tv/ or god forbid /x/. /lit/ are much better writers on average but the actual grasp on logic here is not very good either, the ability to write well and spout jargon seems to actually help people shit out irrational or tangential rants.

/pol/ is chalk full of spam and shitposting, I'm not talking about that but when they attempt to actually discuss stuff they are not that bad because they have the virtue of very strongly believing what they're talking about, so they actually care about whether it's true.

>>17011598
>0.01% of posts on /pol/ are not entirely retarded
oh ok I'm convinced now what a great board and posters

>>17009726
Agent Smiths unconsciously defending the status quo while ironically thinking that they are the rebels

>>17011608
It's not a great board, it's not even a good board. It was 'ok' in 2012-2014ish. Regardless they're not particularly dumber there than anywhere else on 4chan, you have to be quite biased to think that.

>>17011622
>t.believer of le pol meme

>>17011638
It was shit then too. Pol is dumber than most specialized boards. Half of the posts are x tier conspiracies. I feel like you just want people to name jew. It's not that simplistic though unfortunately.

>>17011490
Maybe in your fantasy deluded world that equates Marxism with Neoliberalism. Not in reality where people think for themselves

>>17011673
This. It's just flavour of the month conspiracies and Americans claiming someone saying nigger is the epitome of comedy.

>>17011500
I've never read Levinas. I'm drawing on many thinkers between Socrates and Sartre most of which wrote in some fashion about gaining knowledge through relating with others. You aren't special.

>>17011317
Kant recansted his racism

>>17011692
NO. ITS PATTERN RECOGNITION AND EDGINESS IS TRUTH!!!! Wait...don't recognize the pattern that all humans are shit or the pattern that out of 47million black Americans only 8000 murders are comitted by them yearly. Reeeeeee!

>>17011694
You are plagiarizing Levinas

>>17011673
If you were actually on it back then you'd know it was much better than now. And no I don't think it's dumber, I think people view it that way because it's crude, breaks about every taboo of polite society, and nobody there bothers to make their writing sound good. Conspiracyposting is basically brainstorming, 'what if'.

I'm not that interested in Jews as a group, they are definitely somewhat unique, but most Jews have no power, and power is not held by Jews exclusively, so it's not helpful.

>>17011704
I think you can do a bit better than that. Break up the groups into smaller groups, and see what average differences emerge.

>>17011442
Fucking this. All those faggot being fucking insuferable faggot

>>17011719
Ok. I broke it down to the individual and now there's so much variation that no particular difference remains.

>>17011706
It was marginally better prior to Trump

>>17011823
Peak globalhomo neoliberalism, that you are completely unaware of yourself and think this is original is what makes this either hilarious or excellent trolling

>>17010703
go back you

>>17010364
>you have an entire board(safe space)dedicated to the circle jerking of your false reality
And so does its opposition? Any online community with its own values would be a "safe space" in this sense. All the things you criticize the ideology on this board of apply just a readily to its opposition, because the ideology of this board is simply an immune reaction to it.

If we're having an actual conversation about the issues your ideology (which isn't actually leftism, or neoliberalism, or marxism, it really is just a mishmash of college campus fucktards and people policing social media who reject class reductionism and make problems out of nothingness)...

Why do we dislike your ideology? It wants to solve race... how does it try to solve it? More racism! Affirmative action! Let's see, maybe if we scream about racism more it will exist less? Your ideology isn't trying to solve the problem of race, it is creating the problem of race. It is fundamentally self-contradictory. If we want to solve racism, get rid of affirmative action, outlaw collection of any race related or sex related data, choose people from merit alone.

So you say this board is in a schizophrenic vacuum? You're projecting. Why does your ideology police places like college campuses, reddit, and twitter so hard? Because these are the only places where people actually take it seriously. If you actually drive through rural and suburban regions, you realize this. We don't have a problem with equality etc... we have a problem with YOUR ideology, because it just creates imaginary things to talk about and feel self-righteous about

>>17010974
cringe

>>17009736
fpbp

>>17009726

>Why are viewpoints that are outside the norm called abnormal?

No clue

>>17010364
weak

>>17011692
reddit

>>17011421
>all their beliefs are just products of the times they lived in
>my beliefs are enlightened and informed by serious inquiry tho
Lmao

>>17011622

/pol/ is useful as a filter because anyone who is seriously upset by /pol/ instantly outs themselves as a newfag tourist fresh off the boat from reddit/twitter. Only newfags care enough about some other guy's opinion disagreeing with theirs to try to censor him and throw a hissyfit when they can't. Long explanations of how "/pol/ has ruined this site/board" are just whiny copeposts from tourists mad that they can't downvote here.

Notice how these posters are always humorless and femininely emotional. They respond to banter by digging in their heels and crying more. God bless /pol/ for filtering these tourists.

>>17009753
gender is a social construct aaaaaaah I'm unplugging aaaaaah sexual reassignment surgery aaaaaaah unplugging my dick aaaaah aaaaah *rip*

>>17009748
thats reddit discussion, fuck off

>>17012108
>everyone who disagrees with me is new
Lol, the board has always had conflicting voices, it’s nothing new at all. You sound really desperate to fit in.

>>17012409
>agree
>act butthurt and emotional anyway
Strange choice.

>>17010364
You need to go back. Such a midwit take lmfao. How fucking retarded has /lit/ become?

>>17011882
>And so does its opposition?
Lol what a disingenous worm you are. I don't see twitter liberals shitting lit up or I would criticize them for being equally as ignorant as you bitches only in the opposite direction.
>this board is simply an immune reaction to it.
This board is about Literature yet pol tourists come here everyday to make some idpol garbage with no literature attached to it.
>issues of your ideology
When did I state my ideology? I didn't this makes you disingenous, applying broad assumptions to what you think I believe. I am a leftist, it's true, and pols racism and idpol is directly counter to class consciousness and worker unity. Of course, it would be giving you slime too much credit to say you arrived at your positions organically, you didnt, I'm an oldfag and remember well the stormfag shilling. Funny how their org turned out to be a honeypot yet you idiots still cling to the ideology they fed you.
>Why do we dislike your ideology?
Ahh, here you ascribe a bunch of beliefs to me. I hold none of the positions that you described. I think like you that affirmative action is harmful and that background checks and job applocations should be entirely anonymous.

>Why does your ideology police places like college campuses, reddit, and twitter so hard?
It doesn't. I don't. I believe in adulterated free speech, including my right to call you brainlets out on the hodgepodge of conspirational anxieties that you use as the foundation of your(pbuh)schizo worldview.

This is a problem with you fucks. You assume that everyone else has positions that they don't. It's because you can't debate in good faith with any view that you don't have a pavlovian conditioned canned response prepared for. Lurk and pick up a fucking book every now and then. Think about yourself sometime you insufferable midwit.

>>17012800
/pol/s racism is just very basic observation of group differences

>>17009726
A better question is why pol tourists want to come shit up a literature board with shallow idpol fueled nonsense. Not that I care, I actually find it comforting to see that they've somehow created a worldview and an ideology so utterly powerless and somehow even more deluded and dishonest than the general public. I usually just lurk and silently laugh at the fact that no person in their right mind would actually support the ideology they furiously profess. So, feel free to hang out, maybe even pick up a book.

>>17012800
If only polfags, leftists and Catholics would leave this board. What made you such a hysterical bitch lmao

>>17012822
...that doesn't hold up to real scrutiny.

>>17010364
Based based based.

>>17010364
Excuse me doctor, I have an OP in critical condition from an anon being so absolutely BASED.

>>17012835
Don't you fucking Bunger post me you zoomer bitch. I'm nonchalantly attending to my boredom.

>>17009748
Pretty sure people have discussed Atlas Shrugged at length on here. Blacks and women are welcome if they write something worth talking about (doesn’t happen often)

>>17012846
I have never seen a convincing argument for why every race should have the same average intelligence or propensity towards various behaviors. There is certainly no evidence suggesting that is true, the evidence all points to a lot of differences.

>>17012822
nah its more like advocating for genociding and using slurs every other sentence

>>17012866
When did I say anything of the sort? Do you think that's all pol is? Lurk more

>>17012862
Follow the chain man, the mans collecting seethes and going undefeated. How can one anon be so based?

>>17012877
that's the basis behind /pol/s racism, they're just angry and rude about it.

>>17012863
Studying bugsnax is more profitable than reading whatever drivel made you such an angry little guy.

>>17012894
You will never be a Grumpus

>>17010974
Based

I have successfully baited most of the faggots on this board into responding. Look at how they type up essays which look flashy but really say nothing. You people are narcissistic assholes. All of you. Its so fucking sickening people like you exist. You dont have an honest bone in your body. Youre all fence sitting knaves who would rather prattle on about how your personal madeup boogeyman is retarded and evil rather than confronting your own disingenuous stupidity. Fuck you

>>17012927
Ahhh, the self fulfilling prophecy is complete and once again, we all know OP is gay.

Why do I get a funny feeling in my pants when looking at naked men?

>>17012944
It's normal. All humans are bisexual innately.

>>17012800
>This is a problem with you fucks. You assume that everyone else has positions that they don't.

Ok, my argument was directed towards the idpol bitches, but you're also making the same mistake you are criticizing me of making.

>This is a problem with you fucks. You assume that everyone else has positions that they don't.

People have the positions I identified (just visit a college campus, twitter, or reddit), my problem isn't with your ideology because that wasn't clear from the getgo, my problem is with the idpol bitches stinking up the discourse. But don't be an asshole and criticize me of something, then turn around and do that same thing. The "hodgepodge of conspirational anxieties" I could just as easily call your own projection onto myself, because I never brought anything up that indicates whatever the fuck you are talking about. So insofar as you call me an "insufferable midwit", you literally just agreed with the point I was making and then made a bunch of straw man assumptions about me. I could have literally the same views as you and you wouldn't know. If you actually want the things you talk about and solidarity of the working class, you wouldn't make that mistake

>>17012927
I'm also trans btw if that matters

>>17012927

>>17013045
I did so because it was the natural response to you doing the exact same to me. Don't worry, I hate Liberal twitter shit just as much as I hate the average pol shit. You're whole post was a massive assunption about me. Fuck idpol and don't get assblasted when someone uses your own tricks against you. Own up to it. I was mistaken about your views because you were criticizing a post in a way that one indoctrinated to pol psyoppery would. I appologize.

>>17010364
Rent Free

>>17009748
>obnoxious laughing
FTFY

>>17010364
You realize that this is pure rhetoric, right? It's laughably ironic to appeal to philosophy without including any demonstrative logic. You're also strawmanning the viewpoints you don't agree with (muh racism, muh sexism).

>>17011380
A critical thinker would realize that since values are a type of preference, and preferences are biologically driven, biological divergence between populations will indeed manifest divergent average distributions of held values. Sure there's also overlap and outliers, but the averages are what determine the nature of our world and ignoring racial/ethnic variables is folly. I'd also point out that heuristic methods are typically the best (and often only) way of explaining+manipulating extremely complex systems.

>>17011466
>Birdhood is something all birds have in common, therefore genetically divergent bird populations should not fight with eachother or compete for habitat and resources.

You speak in pure platitudes. Your appeal to philosophy and logic is merely an affectation.

>>17010364
/pol/ is not even close to a "safe space", it's full of anti-white and antifa shills and moderated by tranny jannies

>>17013486
How come we are always calling our moderator : tranny jannies ? Like was it leak that some mods were trans? I don't get it. Is it just use to insult them as a whole?

>>17013496
I think mostly just an insult towards the perceived 'progressive' bias of jannies.

>>17013455
You silly boy.
>A critical thinker would realize that since values are a type of preference, and preferences are biologically driven
No, a critical thinker wouldn't realize your flawed pseudoscience. Event still.
>ignoring racial/ethnic variables is folly
I've not ignored anything, I accept that there are biological differences between ethnicities. They are minor and don't offer support for totalizing generalization, espescially considering the vast majority of the populations you disparage show none of the features you claim to detest.
>bird
Yes, I treat all birds as if their birds. If 5% of a species acted differentkt I wouldn't assume that applied to the whole species. I would acknowledge it and look for causes.

>>17013620
What pseudoscience?
What do you mean by minor difference? Minor like the ~1.3% DNA difference that distinguishes us from chimps?
What populations have I disparaged and what features did I claim to detest?
Do you understand that I'm talking about average differences in behaviour between genetically divergent populations, not aberrant behaviour within homogenous ones?
Do you understand what heuristics are and why they are necessary?

>>17013713
>What pseudoscience?
Preferences are biologically driven. Pure speculation if you're refereing to racial bias.
>What do you mean by minor difference?
As in largely exhibiting the exact same behavior ad every other human. I mean the propensity for certain disease. Skin color.
>average differences in behaviour
Cannot be explained by race.
>Do you understand what heuristics are and why they are necessary?
Of course, what heuristics are you refereing to? That recognizing that a minority of blacks commit crime at a higher rate(except for child molestation and driving while drunk) would help us to quickly judge every black person we meet?

You're a fool.

>>17013455
>makes an appeal to critical thinking
Based on heavily contested science. Gotta love it.

>>17013789
Preferences are biologically driven (all of them); it's how we've evolved ot interact with our environment. What other provenance do you suggest?
>largely
This is very vague anon, I could say that we largely exhibit the same behaviour as all mammals. The truth is that 'small' variations can and do manifest in massively different outcomes. Disease predispostion and skin pigmentation are only a fraction of population divergence — ethnic differences are measureable throughout the body (including brain).
>Cannot be explained by race.
Yet there are observable average differences along racial/ethnic lines, even controlling for environment. No doubt other factors produce differences as well, but genetic profile appears to be a major one.
>Emotional rhetoric to downplay the pragmatic value of heuristics and yes, even prejudice.
Hello again, strawman.

You're an idiot.

>>17013801
>heavily censored and censured science.
ftfy

>>17013891
>Preferences are biologically driven
This is completely unproven, illustrating precisely how you let your worldview be dictated by falshoods. Just as the ones you defend.
>This is very vague anon
It's not, there is no major behavioral difference between human populations. Find a human behavior and I guarantee that it's exhibited by every racial group. Are blacks prone to murder? Well, less than 1/4 of one percent of the black American population have done so. Pretty shaky justification for your so called Heuristics. You're a sham.

>>17013927
>Find a human behavior and I guarantee that it's exhibited by every racial group. Are blacks prone to murder? Well, less than 1/4 of one percent of the black American population have done so. Pretty shaky justification for your so called Heuristics. You're a sham.

This actually made me bust out laughing.

>>17013927
DESPITE

>>17009726
4chan is inundated by ideologues, shills, and bots.

Low quality discussion is the norm.

>>17014076
Despite being 46 million only 8000 commit murder.

>>17013496
>How come we are always calling our moderator : tranny jannies ? Like was it leak that some mods were trans? I don't get it. Is it just use to insult them as a whole?
Who do you think wants to become a janitor? Who is pathetic enough to seek out power even if only on an anonymous mongolian basketweaving froum?

Spoiler: It's all a bunch of redditors and ideologues here to 'fight back against the nazis' by controlling context. These people are genuine lunatics doing this for free.

>160 replies
>53 unique IPs
>all of these pathetic samefags typing up essays and then calling themselves based
jesus what a sad thread

>>17009781
>>17009797
It's not inappropriate to use the term gaslighting here though. One can scarcely go 2 threads without dealing with the lefty shills and their constant reasserting of what is normality. That is the definition of gaslighting. It's sort of how you can't go on /tv/ without dealing with being exposed to either pedophilia or interracial porn, it's normalization by constant exposure.

>>17014137
Nah, you're delusional

>>17014221
There it is.

>>17014235
Nah, it's ths opposite. Irony. Sarcasm. Look them up wee little brainlet

>>17014249
I was only pretending you retard.

>>17013927
>unproven
There's plenty of evidence for it (e.g. twin studies finding that separated twins often end up with similar specific preferences). If you have an alternate explanation with predictive power, then let's hear it.
>no major behavioral difference between human populations
Have you never travelled internationally? Of course you sneak the qualifier "major" in there which you can revise to mean whatever you want.
>exhibited by every racial group
The point isn't that behaviours are unique to divergent populations (more strawmanning), but rather that the frequencies and intensities of various behaviours diverge along with genetic divergence.

>>17012827
What makes someone screech this autistically at the sight of a vaguely norse-looking man? Neolibs not tolerating anyone else but themselves is a phenomenon everyone but neolibs agree on being a massive issue in creating an actually functional discourse.

>>17011421
>>17010364
Holy whig history, god damn.

>>17012800
>I don't see twitter liberals shitting lit up
What the fuck am I reading?

>>17014249
Irony and sarcasm aren't synonymous, nor was your first post either, conditionally. Can we have less third-worlder subhumans like you on this board, please? Thank you, and have a pleasant day in whatever ontological shithole you reside in.

>>17012846
>Evolution stops from the neck-up
Imagine getting filtered by basic protein-folding...

>>17014403
Twas both pedestrian filth

>>17009726
They unironically think they're fighting /pol/ when they do that.

>>17014313
>There's plenty of evidence for it
Except there isnt. Almost none at all, in fact the vast majority of psychologists disagree with you. The closest thing you have to evidence is the Minnesota Twin study that shows about 50% similar religiosity(which is perhaps the closest in nature to racial bias that they stidied.) Hardly groundbreaking or solid proof that "preferences are biologically driven." Now perhaps it does play some role in preference, but not one that's solid or immutable.
>Have you never travelled internationally?
Yes, but that's hardly relevant. There happen to humans everywhere I travel, I can't escape them, and my Heuristics allow me to quickly judge that the wide majority of them regardless of skin tone or biological difference pose zero threat to my health.
>the frequencies and intensities of various behaviours diverge along with genetic divergence.
This is just more bullshit though. There's no to little evidence that supports these claims. It could just as easy be environmental or socioeconomic differences that cause behavioral difference, in fact most psychologists would wager that environment and culture is more important.

You've got nothing of significance to share.
If there were immutable traits and mutable traits both leading to "poor" behavior. Which do you think we should focus on. I've made it clear that I do believe in biological differences, even those in IQ(which is pretty flimsy science anyways.) That doesn't mean I hate people of other races, it doesn't mean we should expel or exterminate, if anything America has proven that with greater opportunity and a more conducive environment we can increase IQ across the board. Its a moot point and you lack the evidence to prove otherwise.

I've grown bored with re-answering your same questions. Come up with something new and maybe I'll utteely disregard that tomorrow you damn phony.

>>17014137
Holy shit shut up. That makes every culture "gaslighting". Gaslighting is a deliberate conscious process of brainwashing you by getting you to not believe yourself.

>>17014721
>spamming pedophilia and interracial porn is a culture
Imagine being this retarded. You said it yourself 'other' culture. Other is the opposite of normal. Please kill yourself you slimy wanna be kike.

Nigger like half of all the posts here are about really niche autist views like Hegelism or anti-Natalism or whatever

>>17011400
The industrialists werent in control of the army, were they?
t.historylet

>>17014693
You still haven't posited your alternative. Why do you think one person prefers vanilla ice cream and another chocolate? If we are biological beings, how can biology not be the driver of our preferences? If it is, then how can genetic divergence not modulate preference? From there we go to average distributions.
>more facetious and non germane rhetoric
blah blah blah blah you don't have to capitalize "Heuristics" in the middle of a sentence
>This is just more bullshit though.
There's this thing called a phenotype... I don't particularly want to explain it to you because you're too dull to understand, but the gist of it is that the environment (which includes culture you ninny) only shapes us through the matrix of our biology. In other words, your genetic profile will result in a different response to the same stimuli than someone with different genetics, and we can extrapolate from this into average distributions. There's plenty of evidence, from twin studies to ethnic voting habits to ethnic differences in hormonal expression to ethnic differences in emotional expression (shame, guilt, empathy, etc.) and so on.

I think that spending a lot of resources trying to shift mutable traits is an uphill battle, when there's an immutable (in the short term) matrix that has to be constantly fought against to prevent regression. We could deal with the immutable traits in various ways — going for prevention instead of playing catch-up — but you are too emotionally soft to sincerely consider them. Sure a people can fundamentally transform over much longer timescales, but if your civilization is dysgenic then it's unlikely you have that kind of time. Since you're so optimistic about environmental uplifting of IQ, you might want to learn about the reverse-Flynn effect and cool your heels a bit. America (and much of Europe) has proven that multi-racialism is a disaster which spells the doom of a civilization (a truth which has played out many times in history).

How cute, you think I care about how you regard me or wether you'll respond. You're like a toddler to me, and I'm only talking to you for the potential benefit of more intellectually honest anons.

>>17014776
It definitionally is just it's a lower form of culture and I can't see where I said other even.

>>17009726
Biden winning made the trannies bolder.