/lit/ - Literature

idiot, online platforms like spotify are creating a new accessible golden age of cultural expression, you just have your head too far up your own ass to see it with your "OLD GOOD NEW BAD" rhetoric

>>16961107
I guarantee I've listened to more modern albums than you.

>>16960935
>kill or disenfranchise all the aristocrats
>'wtf where did all the art and culture go'

>>16961107
nah, modern stuff is garbage retards spew out. nothing of value, cultural or otherwise. 'golden age of cultural expression' only in the same sense that mcdonalds is the 'golden age of hamburgers'. its pretty obvious you're a fucking idiot though and have YOUR head too far up egalitarian technocapitalism's ass that you just say really braindead shit and think you're being counter cultural or witty.

>>16961195
You wouldn't know culture if slapped you right on the face

Pop culture was designed to replace authentic culture. The 50s is the tipping point

>>16960935
Tyler the creator is better than Otis, Simon and garfunkel are completely outmatched by modern songwriters. Animal collective is better than Beatles, etc etc. you’re up your own ass. Sorry

Another shade of “born in the wrong generation”. Even threw in some dadrock for good measure. Grow up OP

>>16961231
Something about Animal Collective's style makes it very easy to get bored of them, whereas you can listen to other artists time and time again and they never get old. Radiohead is the same way.

>>16961246
I feel exactly the opposite about AC, and the fact that you compare them to Radiohead shows me a lot about how you listen to music.

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>>16961266
In particular, I don’t like most animal collective songs and don’t enjoy listening to them, but when the music makes sense for a moment it is beautiful. You seem to want breezy, passive listening, but some music is meant to be singular and rare. Hopefully this makes sense

>>16961266
I compared them because they share the same quality I mentioned. I said nothing about what style of music they create. Check your reading comprehension

Kanye West is better than Beethoven or whatever.

>>16961294
The quality you mentioned is what I’m judging, retard. I’m expanding off of the idea of music getting old and the style of music you enjoy to make reasonable assumptions about how you listen to music.

>>16961195
>tfw try writing something
>get a few pages down
>read it over again
>"i am fucking white trash"
>delete it all
>cry into my pillow

>>16961231
>Animal collective is better than Beatles
I love animal collective but this is retarded.

>>16961149
This. The worst thing capitalism ever did was ousting the aristocracy. Once you understand that the world is run by what are essentially modern textile traders, the origin of our problems become clear.

>>16961383
It is retarded to you because the Beatles have been canonized and animal collective haven’t. I imagine your love of animal collective is superficial, and I don’t even like the band.

>>16961383
A better comparison would be the Beach Boys, which btfo both mentioned.

>>16961423
No, it's because the Beatles 1965-1969 period is unmatched in popular music in the sheer # of great songs written, whereas Animal Collective have 3 or 4 good albums and a lot of trash.
>>16961428
This is a classic American cope for being BTFO in music in the 60s. The Beach Boys have Pet Sounds, which is pretty good, and a huge amount of throwaway trash. The Brian Wilson is a Genius meme was a marketing stunt that needs to die.

we have houellebecq

>>16961437
Quality over quantity.

>>16961437
Yup, your understanding of animal collective is autistic and shallow. I recommend listening to seeing sounds by NERD.

>>16961437
>hasn't heard smile sessions

>>16961459
I've listened to the discography and the solo works many, many times over. If anything, your understanding of the Beatles and of music of the period in general is obviously lacking.
>>16961471
Extremely overrated because of the Brian Wilson mythology surrounding it.

>>16961231
Bait or zoomer

>>16961236
How to tell someone is low brow

>>16961478
I have never listened to the Beatles, I can tell by context how their music sounds and what it is meant to evoke. Listen to NERD, geek.

>>16961374
that's literally me

>>16961383
>Oh yeh, I'll tell you something,
I think you'll understand,
Then I'll say that something,
I wanna hold your hand,
I wanna hold your hand,
I wanna hold your hand.
Oh please say to me
You'll let me be your man,
And please say to me,
You'll let me hold your hand,
Now let me hold your hand,
I wanna hold your hand.
And when I touch you
I feel happy inside,
It's such a feeling
That my love I can't hide,
I can't hide, I can't hide.

Genius.

>>16961496
>I have never listened to the Beatles, I can tell by context how their music sounds and what it is meant to evoke. Listen to NERD, geek.
>>16961502
>lyrics
>important
Even so, want me to cite some genius animal collective or beach boys lyrics?

>>16961505
Don't like animal collective either. Beatles were just Jonas Brothers or Justin Bieber equivalent of their time.

>>16961525
Scruffydrone spotted
>beatles were a boyband
Beatles invented the boyband archetype, but this has nothing to do with the music at all, and just betrays your shallowness.

>>16961525
This is obvious bait but just incase have you never listened to Revolver?

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>>16961530
Why are you guys falling for obvious bait? He literally said Tyler the creator was better than Otis Redding lol.

>>16961811
Because it's not bait, zoomers believe this

>>16961828
An unironic zoomer is not posting on /lit/.

Name a good poem written in the last ten years.

>>16961843
zoomers are probably the biggest demographic here. Definitely on the website and likely on this board too. This board is filled with zoomers that don't read and are probably in a bunch of philosophy and political compass meme groups on instagram.

>>16961872
I said, certified freak
Seven days a week
Wet-ass pussy
Make that pull-out game weak, woo
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, you fucking with some wet-ass pussy
Bring a bucket and a mop for this wet-ass pussy
Give me everything you got for this wet-ass pussy
Beat it up, nigga, catch a charge
Extra large and extra hard
Put this pussy right in your face
Swipe your nose like a credit card
Hop on top, I wanna ride
I do a kegel while it's inside
Spit in my mouth, look in my eyes
This pussy is wet, come take a dive
Tie me up like I'm surprised
Let's role play, I'll wear a disguise
I want you to park that big Mack truck
Right in this little garage
Make it cream, make me scream
Out in public, make a scene
I don't cook, I don't clean
But let me tell you how I got this ring (ayy, ayy)
Gobble me, swallow me, drip down the side of me
Quick, jump out 'fore you let it get inside of me
I tell him where to put it, never tell him where I'm 'bout to be
I'll run down on him 'fore I have a nigga running me
Talk your shit, bite your lip
Ask for a car while you ride that dick (while you ride that dick)
You really ain't never gotta fuck him for a thang
He already made his mind up 'fore he came
Now get your boots and your coat
For this wet-ass pussy
He bought a phone just for pictures
Of this wet-ass pussy
Pay my tuition just to kiss me
On this wet-ass pussy
Now make it rain if you wanna
See some wet-ass pussy
Look, I need a hard hitter, I need a deep stroker
I need a Henny drinker, I need a weed smoker
Not a garden snake, I need a king cobra

>>16961914
With a hook in it, hope it lean over
He got some money, then that's where I'm headed
Pussy A1, just like his credit
He got a beard, well, I'm tryna wet it
I let him taste it, now he diabetic
I don't wanna spit, I wanna gulp
I wanna gag, I wanna choke
I want you to touch that lil' dangly thing
That swing in the back of my throat
My head game is fire, punani Dasani
It's going in dry and it's coming out soggy
I ride on that thang like the cops is behind me
I spit on his mic and now he tryna sign me, woo
Your honor, I'm a freak bitch, handcuffs, leashes
Switch my wig, make him feel like he cheating
Put him on his knees, give him something to believe in
Never lost a fight, but I'm looking for a beating
In the food chain, I'm the one that eat ya
If he ate my ass, he's a bottom feeder
Big D stand for big demeanor
I could make you bust before I ever meet ya
If it don't hang, then he can't bang
You can't hurt my feelings, but I like pain
If he fuck me and ask, "Whose is it?"
When I ride the dick, I'ma spell my name
Ah (whores in this house)
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, you fucking with some wet-ass pussy
Bring a bucket and a mop for this wet-ass pussy
Give me everything you got for this wet-ass pussy
Now from the top, make it drop
That's some wet-ass pussy
Now get a bucket and a mop
That's some wet-ass pussy
I'm talking WAP, WAP, WAP
That's some wet-ass pussy
Macaroni in a pot
That's some wet-ass pussy, huh
(There's some whores in this house)
(There's some whores in this house)

>>16961896
Tyler the creator wouldn't even be a top 100 rapper though. To compare him to one of the best soul singers is just trolling even by zoomer standards.

>>16960935
Blades is better than all of them (except Schubert)

>>16960935
Bladee is better than all of them (except Schubert)

>>16961811
I believe this. Otis Redding is very good technically but the emotional center is unaffecting and dated. Tyler is very good technically and the soul of the music is modern. Hopefully that makes sense.

>>16961980
Tyler the creator is not a rapper and the direction of the music is not the same as rap. He is not a good rapper in the slightest, the best rapper if you are into literature and concept is Vince Staples. Tyler is a musician first.

>>16960935
For classical music, there's something called "contemporary classical music", which includes minimalism, holy minimalism, eclectic the various forms of serialism, music used in films, etc. You'd have to look up (I know more about the 20th century than this century). There's also of course modern jazz: free jazz, art jazz, world jazz, jazz fusion, etc. Here's a good review: https://lukemuehlhauser.com/a-beginners-guide-to-modern-art-jazz/
(that'd be for art music, sure there's also world music that in many cases involves people mixing many different world traditions into new music, but I don't know of individual artists...)

>>16962113
>minimalism
>serialism

>>16962083
Tyler can't sing and he can't rap. His entire shtick is paying engineerings and better musicians to make his album sound art hoe. It's trash. Tyler wishes he could sing like Otis Redding

>people outside of /mu/ speaking on music

>>16960935
21st century is 20 years old. The great glooming is yet to come.

>>16962083
>Tyler is a musician first.
Have you seen him play instruments? He doesn't know how to play. He isn't a composer. What is so good about his musicianship?

>>16962113
>minimalism
cringe
>film music
cringe
>serialism (only SVS)
based

>>16962191
Tyler has completely self produced his last 4 albums. You are objectively ignorant.
>>16962230
He is a composer. Glad neither of you have any idea what you are talking about.

>>16962326
This is 99% bait or you are just retarded. You don't know your own artist. He brings in musicians all the time? You must not be a real fan

Syd Bennett
featured, vocals, recording engineer
Phil Toselli
layout
Brian "Big Bass" Gardner
mastering
Mick Guzauski
mixing
Vic Wainstein
recording engineer
Tim Davis
writer, vocal arrangements, vocals
Hermon Weems
writer
Cole Alexander of Black Lips
featured, vocals, guitar
Jack DeBoe
additional engineer
Michael Einziger
additional producer
Colin Boyd
piano
Shane Powers
featured, spoken word
Chaz Bundick
featured, spoken word, guitar
ScHoolboy Q
featured, spoken word, writer, rap
Jameel Kirk Bruner
piano, vocals
Roy Ayers
featured, vibraphone
Kali Uchis
featured, vocals, writer
Onitsha Shaw
vocals
Samantha Nelson
vocals, featured
Tiffany Palmer
vocals
Daniel Avila
recording engineer, assistant engineer
James Yost
recording engineer
Gaika James
trombone
Daniel Hardaway
trumpet
Wanya Morris
featured, vocals
Dam-Funk
featured, synthesizer
Austin Feinstein
featured, guitar
Aaron Shaw
featured, saxophone
Crystal Anne Tillman
vocals
Charlie Wilson
featured, vocals
Lil Wayne
featured, rap, writer
Kanye West
featured, rap, writer
Noah Goldstein
recording engineer
Angel 'Ohnel' Aponte
recording engineer
Gabriele Ducros
writer
Pharrell Williams
featured, rap, writer
Coco O.
featured, vocals
Al Dubin
writer
Harry Warren
writer
Mike Larsen
recording engineer
Raphael Mesquita
recording engineer, assistant engineer
Alice Smith
featured, vocals
Leon Ware
featured, vocals
Clem Creevy of Cherry Glazerr
featured, vocals, writer

>He is a composer.
Yes his Mary had a little lamb level compositions are real deep. Do you know much about music theory?

>>16962206
I think you'd get more knowledgeable music discussion in any board outside mu lol

>>16960935
>No post modernists
So literally the thinkers that explain exactly why culture is dead.