/lit/ - Literature

Ahem.
No fuck for E William Brown for November.

Starting this thread with some utterly based historical fiction.

>>16855184
>One of the big revelations from book 3 is that Jasnah has found two of the Heralds
>Sidelined so hard they show up in only two scenes of a 1000+ page book
What the hell

>>16855233
At least they're hot.

He did absolutely nothing wrong and is 100% completely, unironically correct in his beliefs, goals, and actions. He is more interesting, likeable, and sympathetic than the protagonists and deserves to win.

BRANDOOM SANDERSTORM

>>16855259
What's this person's IQ?

>>16855233
One is insane and the other also is, what were you expecting? Maybe if they figure out how to cure Ishar they can help the others.

I'm more mad that Nale told Szeth last book his training with him would continue but we got nothing this book. At least Szeth's highspren is a cool dude.

>>16855272
Thing is, Sanderson was hinting at Kaladin fixing them.
Kaladin has that arc in the beginning where he realizes mental illness is a thing, and was learning how to help depressed and insane people, and then it was never brought up again outside that one depressed guy showing up to say Kaladin inspired him.

Brandon is the pasta of the literature world prove me wrong.

I’ve started reading The Black Company after finishing Malazan, after learning Erikson was a big fan. I can see why and can see the similarities. I don’t really understand what’s happening but have been told it gets shit mid way through? Can anyone expand on that?

Also read The New Sun. Severian is pretty cool and it was good but not a lot happened. However I have read that on re reads after finishing the series it’s like an entirely new book with many things reading or being different. How true is that and why?

>>16855390
>can anyone expand on that
From just lurking the threads, the narrator/mc is changed and the location is changed to a pretty bad I-can't-believe-it's-not-India

>>16855348
Not true, Dalinar wants Kaladin to go find Ishar because of the way he handled the PTSD soldiers.

But the Heralds are insane due to supernatural reasons, not only PTSD.

>>16855233
>Ash and Taln sidelined and irrelevant
>Tower gets taken, Zahel doesn't show up anywhere
>Taravangian mentions the Herald working from him off-handedly
The content in this book was terrible. Cut out a chapter or two of Navani being a dumbass and you'd have space for a few more interludes for these characters

>>16855390
Because a lot of pointless seeming details early on mean a lot more in light of what you learn towards the end. Wolfe has a habit of giving an answer, but not asking the question for another 200 pages. He does this in most of his stories (scaled to length). Rereading is better than reading Urth of the New Sun, desu, although maybe read it for closure eventually (first half is the worst part of the series, second half is like an average part of the series with a few cool moments).

Does fantasy need magic systems and fantasy creatures/races?
Is there any fantasy that is just humans going on human adventure where fantastical stuff happens?

>>16855517
Yeah I thought that was weird too, like where the fuck was Zahel? I mean I didn't expect him to fight or anything but why use a random ardent to assist Kaladin and not him?

>>16855517
>>16855559
Doesn't Vasher have an entire monologue to Kaladin about how he's sick and tired of fighting and just doesn't want to do it anymore and Kaladin can't become a swordmaster until the act of fighting itself no longer gives him any enjoyment?

>>16855390
> entirely new book with many things reading or being different. How true is that
Only if you read it with low comprehension the first time

>>16855584
>>16855559
Wasn't he catatonic because he's using SL to power himself nowadays?
No wait if he was catatonic then he would've been snatched up into Lirin's clinic

>>16855584
Yeah but he could also resist in a non-violent way like pretty much every other named character in the tower except Kaladin

>>16855390
The first 3 Black Company books are a masterpiece but everything afterwards is just going downhill

Redpill me on Brandon Sanderson. Everyone keeps shilling him and that makes me suspicious.

>>16855606
He still has Breaths tho

The most common message by far when someone joins the /sffg/ GR group is literally "let me in". I don't know why. It's very silly.

>>16855546
>Is there any fantasy that is just humans going on human adventure where fantastical stuff happens?
of course there are

>>16855630
It only makes you suspicious because it's a conspiracy and everyone else is being paid and you're the product.

>>16855630
Nothing great but just entertaining. Nice action scenes, some interesting worldbuilding concepts but that's about it

>>16855638
What am I supposed to message then, "give me access you fucking faggots"?

>>16855630
>Redpill me on Brandon Sanderson
He's not the best author but he's probably the only current large-scale epic fantasy author capable of actually hitting deadlines and sticking to his schedule. Basically puts out a decent enough entertaining book every couple of years.

>>16855630
>Everyone keeps shilling him
>shilling
Are we reading the same threads???
He is popular that's for sure, but it's not like he escapes criticism

>>16855546
Yes. That is usually low fantasy books.
The buried giant is an example, or shit by Guy G Kay

>>16855701
>shit by Guy G Kay
Great title. Bold.

>>16855546
Magical realism

JOE abercrombie

I finished Dune and have zero desire to read the next book.
Should I just wikipedia the good shit?

>>16855735
You shouldn't read any of it, it's all awful.

>tfw you've lived long enough to see cosmere posted and discussed regularly in /sffg/

>>16855630
he's a milquetoast mormon faggot who can't write dialogue to save his life
i'm also not entirely certain his children are actually his

>>16855735
dune is shit
>he knew that she knew that he knew that she knew that he knew that there were plans within plans within plans within plans within feints within plans within feints within plans within feints within plans within catgirls within spice within duncan idaho

>>16855602
I get that it’s earth in the future, anything else to note?

>>16855771
>The quiche, however, was exceptional

>>16855543
Any examples in the first book to make note of ?

>>16855559
I was expecting him to cannonball out and start bashing face too, so that was a bummer. My guess is that he went with the army, since otherwise he’d likely have been involved in the attempt to take back the fabrial room, but it might also be the case that he realized fighting back against the whole army was useless & not being plugged into the SiblingNet didn’t know how to help Kaladin without immediately getting killed. I’m more annoyed about Vivenna not showing up. Sanderson has got to stop cockteasing us with this stuff.

>>16855771
>See this map
>damn Adolin and Shallan are visiting a fuckton of places in this book
>literally just a single village and then they're in the fortress
talk about a downer

>>16855771
Cosmerefag, every new Sanderson book has discussion. You're just misremembering things from 5+ years ago.

Also I dropped Stormlight after the shit show that was oath bringer. Will read the rithmatist, mistborn, warbreaker and elantris sequels though.

>>16855829
>Vivenna is supposedly looking for Vasher
>Shallan says she left Lasting Integrity ages ago
>been a year since we've seen her
Is she just directionally challenged? How the fuck hasn't she arrived at Urithiru by this point

>>16855819
>quicke
Hmm. Sanderson getting more raunchy in his old age

>>16855840
If you didn't like Oathbringer because muh Shallan she's way less present in this book, just saying.

>>16855862
She was supposed to use Cultivation's Perpendicularity but back in Oathbringer the Fused were blockading it.

>>16855862
Cultivation's Perpendicularity and the HornEater Peaks are swarming with Fused and Singers. This was mentioned in Oathbringer when Adolin and friends were in Shadesmar.

>>16855876
I don't want way less. Tell me Sanderson killed her in rhythm and she wasn't kelsier'd and I would read it, otherwise it's the same shit.
Also I heard there is more pandering in this book. My patience has eroded over the years and I can't stomach a lot of shit that I could have years ago. I gave Sanderson three chances with stormlight, that is three 1k+ page books, I know some people that gave him one chapter. I not continuing because I can already see that Sanderson isn't going to change shit in stormlight.

>>16855909
>>16855917
Fuck that's right, with Dalinar running around opening his own perpendicularities I completely forgot that she's fucking stranded there unless she happens to run into an Elsecaller

>>16855840
People barely knew what it was 5+ years ago and now it's posted all the time and every day.
>Rithmatist
>Warbreaker
>Elantris
>sequels
O I AM LAFFIN
>Mistborn
You might get Era 2 Book 4 and you'll be happy with that!!

>>16855950
>tfw Era2fag
feelsgoodman

>>16855950
He said he was going to do a rithmatist, warbreaker and elantris sequel years ago. I'm sure he already has an outline. If he didn't write that skyward shit, he would have published mistborn sequel and maybe the warbreaker sequel by now. He has to show how vasher ended up in stormlight. And I'm sure he wants that done before the time skip stormlight.

First Ideal
>Get your foot in the door to being a Radiant "officially"
Second Ideal
>Get two powers to play around with
Third Ideal
>Get Bladefu
Fourth Ideal
>Get Platefu

What kind of bullshit powerup comes with the Fifth Ideal?

>>16855804
>cat girls
Truly ahead of his time

>>16855984
>But it’s also because I’ve begun to realize that I need to keep more of my focus on the Cosmere.
>That isn’t to say I’m not going to write anything that isn’t Cosmere moving forward. (Skyward proves that.)

>>16855992
Where they getting stormlight from? Did they find how to harvest stormlight without a storm yet?

How is Between Two Fires by Buehlman?
The premise intrigues me and I'm in the mood for something with religious themes.

>>16856022
Stormlight comes from the highstorms, duh. And yeah they can go somewhat without now.

>>16856005
What does this post prove? That I'm right?

>>16856022
Yes, Dalinar turned into a free stormlight generator at the end of oathbringer

>>16855992
First Ideal heightens your physical abilities and gives you low level regen
Fifth is probably highly specific to each order, I assume Windrunners can actually manipulate the weather with it

>>16855629
Is there any sort of overarching plot or is it just a follow the gang affair?

I've started writing a fantasy series but I have no clue how I want it to end, or how should it. Any suggestions on extrapolating plotlines to a logical conclusion?

>>16855630
Hes alright but way over hyped.
His characters and dialogue are hit or miss, his prose is ass, and his worldbuilding is what I would expect if you got all your worldbuilding advice from reddit.

Stormlight Archive is fun, but thats the best I can say about it.

>>16856144
You don't need help, you just need to trust your own instincts and spend more time thinking about it.

You know I'm right.

>>16856144
I always know the beginning and ending before I start, its the middle that has too little going on that fucks me.

>>16856299
Beginning: Farmboy is the chosen one.

Ending: Farmboy turns to the Darkside.

Middle: Ah fuark.

>1500 pages of pure anime kino by Sanderson

Gonna be honest, can't take it now, to much of a time investment. The only 1500 plus that will read is well... Winds of winter, that is... If coming out, well I trying to cope.

>>16856144
You don’t have characters with motivations? That become either fulfilled or unfulfilled?

>>16856311
>Beginning: Farmboy is the chosen one.
>Ending: Farmboy turns to the Darkside.

Middle: Farmboy is rescued by the Black Knight, who's a femme fatale and seduces the young farmboy into fighting for the wrong side

Middle: Farmboy tries to save everyone, stretching himself too thin. He then becomes a more utilitarian hero, trying to save the many over the few, but this rigid set of morals sets him down a dark path where the ends justify the means.

>>16855794
mormons adopt, and your adopted kids are added to your genetic pool when you become a god, so mormons are literally uncuckable.

>>16856442
I read this initially as femboy and was more interested

>the traitor baru cormorant

What I in for, bros?

>>16855390
The fuck is wrong with pasta?

>>16855630
People enjoy popular things. You might too.

>>16855630
He's a mormon, so to support women's and LGBT rights you should not buy any of his books till/if he deconverts.

However, he hits deadlines and writes entertaining enough stories. Mistborn is arguably the most well known and it's a very interesting world and magic system.

>>16856651
But I don't support women's and LGBT rights.

RoW fucking sucked. Sando needs to get an editor and beta readers who arent massive cosmere fags.

>>16855862
>women
>directions

only my dreams are real

>>16855984
Stormlight is pretty clearly the Warbreaker sequel at this point. He might loop back to explain what the hell happened with Vasher & Vivenna, but I doubt that'll happen any time before Stormlight and Mistborn finish. There's just no real need for it when we have Vivenna, Vasher, and Nightblood all increasingly involved in Stormlight with 6 books to go.

>>16856792
This

>>16855208
Is this what the mount & blade thing is based on?

What are you reading right now? Would you recommend it?

>>16856998
I'm between novels right now.
I finished a big name one yesterday morning and late last night I started an anthology written with the same "aesthetic" as a director I like but fell asleep within the first short story.

>>16856998
Daniel Black

>>16855812
Urth is not Earth, it's an Earth from a previous or future version of the universe. This is hard to believe, considering how Nessus might be located quite accurately in South America or the Mediterranean thereabouts (there was Nessus in Thrace) and there's a painting with an astronaut on the moon. The only one evidence to the contrary is a Wolfe interview or maybe an essay saying he didn't want to write a second great flood on Earth.
Things to notice on the first book are tiny clues and foreshadowings that mostly make sense after finishing the whole series. A favorite of mine is the pun right in the series title: New Sun/New Son (as in the son of God, even though Wolfe claims Severian is Christ like --as a holy fool-- but not a Christ). The play is confusing as fuck but it tells a mini version of what will happen (can't remember if that's in the first book). In the first two pages, after Severian tells of his perfect memory, he mistakes the names. The oubliette (defined as a dungeon with a trapdoor on top) points right away to the Torturer's Tower being a rocket ship, same with the cityscape. This is made explicit when the Church of the Pelerines flies away (though another explanation is that even though Severian is clueless about things, one tends to think of a ship, when it might have been a large canvas going up from the flames). The visions of Malrubius and Triskele. Severian reviving Triskele not just by nursing it into health. Severian coming back to life after the duel. The defenses inside the cave of the man-apes and inside the gates. How Dorcas, Ouen, the woman in the St Catherine feast might be blood related.

>>16857158
>well we can't have that™

What's the deal with the qt redhead Herald? We haven't seen her yet, right?

>>16856960
Yes. It's worth reading too--it's an absolutely lovely book.

>>16855675
That's also a common one that's used.

>>16855638
>>16855675
>>16857631
you need permission to join a GoodReads group?
I only ever use that website as a tracker

Finished The Curse of Chalion by Bujold. It was a fun adventure if only a little silly at several times, like a fairy tale full of nice people, except it still tried to introduce some grim stuff and explain the magic/Gods, the political motives, etc., which was alright (again, not deep). It got sillier and more tangled towards the end of the book, even though the first part had tried to set down rules and specifics in the realistic behavior regarding manners, modesty, policy, etc. The entanglement was resolved very conveniently (why I found it like a fairy tale), in how plot events fell into place and every character acted predictably. A bunch of good hearted Mary Sues and Gary Stus, kind of, which is what makes Cazaril a nice MC, if only too much of a hero.
I might read the sequel.

Two qualms about the book though. I never figured out what or who the narrator was and why he sounded like that. Some interjections were quite out of place for third person omniscient. "Once upon a time there was a castle, and it was a nice castle, but small, /eh?/". What exactly is the point of those eh's and other winks at the reader?
And another, the god damn names, but this is just my autism. Dy Cazaril. Dy Baocia. Dy Chalion. "Dy" being stolen from the latinate "de" to describe the place of origin or some family line (Miguel DE Cervantes y Saavedra, Marquis DE Sade, D'Alambert, D'Anunzio, etc). In the Middle Ages and well into the 18th c., In Spanish, and French, the preposition is supposed to be omitted. We refer to Cervantes as Cervantes, not as "de Cervantes". Same with Sade. So all those bloated Dy's triggered the fuck out of me, because they clearly referred to a location and only ignorants call Sade "de Sade".

>>16857501
>What's the deal with the qt redhead Herald? We haven't seen her yet, right?


chana, dustbringer patron herald. And no I don't. think we've seen her yet. but like the rest of them I image she's a crazy ptsd mess.

>Vasher is a Type II not I
huh
Too many of these dialogue lore drops feel so unnatural.

>>16858138
Vasher's an incredibly old genius scientist, so it didn't really bug me.

>>16858039
>Mary Sues
>Gary Stus

>>16858167
It bugs me that we're not getting Nightblood (the Warbreaker sequel) any time soon.

>>16858206
I'll live as long as we get Vasher and Vivenna working together in Stormlight. Blue-balled for two books now.

>>16858039
>gary stu

fuck you faggot cocksucking retard redditor, mary sue is a gender neutral term

>>16857042

Sauce?

>>16858363
actress is Emily Browning

>>16858363
It's Emily Browning

>>16858359
Says who?
And Reddit? I've been here far longer than you. To call anyone reddit in the Brandon Sanderson general of all places lmao

>>16858519
this is the Bujoldchad general thank you very much

>>16856998
Been reading some Thomas Ligotti. I would recommend The Last Feast of Harlequin for pure, undiluted Lovecraftian kino.

So is there anything I have to read first before starting book of the new sun? I heard there were a lot allusions to other works like Kafka’s. Do I also have to be well versed on Catholicism? This will be my first Gene Wolfe book

>>16858722
There's no required reading. Obviously you'll get more out of it if you're familiar with its influences

>>16858722
Some Greek myths will make cameos in the story.

>>16858735
>>16858767
All right, any editions to look out for? I’ve heard that the ORB editions of long sun omit a subtle but important reveal so I was wondering if certain editions of botns face a similar problem as well.

WEIRD TALES scans, do they exist? Where can I get them?

I know there's scans of a few issues on archive.org but can you get the missing issues anywhere?

>>16856027
ANSWER ME YOU FUCKING NIGGERS!

>>16858864
I just found a collection on forum.snahp.it so if it's on there I'm sure it's on other sites.

>>16856376
Just skim it, anon. It's not deep at all, simply entertaining.

Brandon Sanderson

>>16856027
i havent read it yet calm down. a couple people read it last month, it was pretty good apparently idk

>>16856027
copypasting my old post
>>16716558
Man, this ended up being excellent. Thanks to the anon who rec'd it a few threads back.
The story is about 14th century France, during the black plague and a religious quest. I could make a great movie.
The angels and the devils were great. The chemistry between the main characters was probably the best I've read in a while. I wished it could've gone on for 200 or 300 pages longer. The loli's character was a great touch.
I didn't like a few things though. The way he styled "thoughts" or inner monologues without reference and just plain italics could've appeared more often and not too evidently a stroke of style. I think he was a little shy in describing medieval life and stayed too close to what's known historically. A bit more descriptiveness could've added more to the story, and made it slightly less generic, but still, the setting's atmosphere felt quite authentic.
If it wasn't for the ending it would've been another grimdark book with a nice party, smaller scale scenes and a few cool monsters, but it was superbly satisfying.

>>16856053
>>16855629

Some people don't like the story past the first three books because the style changes somewhat and the Company travels to a foreign land(maybe they don't like blacks and browns?), but I think the entirety of the series as an arc for the Black Company is a masterpiece. The last book, looking back on all that's happened, is seriously fantastic.

> crashes Ark on your World
> impact of crash dramatically reshapes landscape
> genetically engineers vicious beasts to rage across your land, destroying everything
> proceeds to prosecute horrific war of extermination against all living things on your World
heh nothin personnel kid..... just trying to save our souls :3

B

R

A

BRUH

>>16859339
ndon sanderson fans have ruined online fantasy discourse. Read another author.

>>16855735
It only goes downhill from there

>>16859241
nice effort post, didn't they have like ufos and shiet though? how the fuck did they lose to medieval niggas

>>16855735
Dune isn't famous a famous series, it's a famous book.

>>16859458
yup le rape aliens had laser spears and nukes
>but muh raw courage of Men stood strong.... until the final demise

>>16857523
>>16855208
post the English pdf/epub, please?

>>16859179
Sorry.
>>16859190
Thanks, anon. I think I'm going to pick it up.

>>16855184
The Helmet of Horror - Victor Pelevin (2005)
This is a book that aside from the intro is entirely dialogue from beginning to end and takes place in a "thread". Yes, potentially a thread similar to the very one that I've posted this in.
The page count is deceptive for this reason as it's around 33k words. I haven't seen the physical version and I wonder how it must look. The page count itself is peculiar for the digital version as well.
The book is metafictional, metatextual, metaphysical, intertextual, self-referential, postmodern and whatever other terms are relevant. It doesn't play nice or fair and trying to understand it may be a misguided, if not futile misunderstanding. If it were to be called performance art, I wouldn't disagree.
I read almost every review on Goodreads and then some reviews elsewhere to see what others thought about it. I wasn't disappointed by the reactions.
This was the 4th book in the Canongate Myth Series "in which ancient myths from various cultures are reimagined and rewritten" and although I haven't read any of the other books, I can't imagine this is what most of the audience thought they would be getting. I suspect that by the time they reached the end they were thinking that they were being pranked and wondered why they had acquired the book, but didn't want to rate it too lowly to seem as if they didn't understand what was going on and to give it the benefit of the doubt. Based on the reviews some took their bafflement to mean it must be quite a superior work while freely admitting they hadn't the slightest idea of anything about it. This makes sense because I doubt the average member intended audience for this would have necessary background to properly engage with this. If this is what I think it is, as described in the later spoilered text, then I certainly can't fault them for feeling tricked.
I'm surprised the publisher allowed this, but that's probably only due to my prior assumptions and not anything specific about the publisher. In that way everyone involved in its writing and publication is complicit in this prank, which is to what it seems to be to me on several levels. A prank on the reader, the critic, the reviewer, and whomever else may be involved.
My personal interpretation of this Rorschach test is that (this may unduly bias how you perceive this work) none of this happens and none of the "characters" are human, maybe they're AI, or something more esoteric, and if they're human they are literally posting in something like a CYOA or /qst/ thread or a pen & paper game. Everything that is presented to the reader is exactly that, text on a screen. If the events do happen and the characters are what they say they are, then maybe it's something like VRCHAT. I'm not willing to believe these are physical people in the physical world.
My intentions and thoughts are best served by not rating this, so it'll remain unrated. Dear Fellow Minotaurs of Labyrinth 4chan, MOO!

>dude i killed my dad
>actually i killed my mom as well
>before i forget, i murdered my spren too
AND SHE'S STILL NOT DONE. Is anyone safe from toddler Shallan?

>>16859898
We still don't have all the details on how Honor died.

what the fuck is a spren

>>16859948
literally just a spirit

>>16859911
It's pretty clear that they somehow got him to break an oath.

>>16859458
Medieval niggas had big dick
magic

>>16860105
that Shallan somehow got him to break an oath.

Can someone please tell me why is this book so popular? I dropped it hard halfway,it is basically the story of an OP guy and everything he does is because he is OP as fuck and no one can stop him because he is OP since the beginning, what is the appeal of this?

>>16860160
he's not that op in the first book, and it makes sense why he is, he lived a tough life and benfited from like 7 years of training in magic before he joined because of the based old guy

>>16860160
>Can someone please tell me why is this book so popular?
> what is the appeal of this?

>,it is basically the story of an OP guy and everything he does is because he is OP as fuck and no one can stop him because he is OP since the beginning
sounds like you have a pretty good handle on it

>>16860160
It's a power fantasy that turns into a cuck fantasy

>>16860160
kinda comfy like harry potter

>>16860160
People love power fantasies. I dropped it when it turned into a cuck fantasy.

>>16860160
kinda comfy like harry potter

>>16860178
>ignoring that he turns into gigachad after felurian

>>16860160
>what should I write?
>Write what you know Patrick!
>but all I know is being crushed by student loans and getting friendzoned by girls
>W-well go for it I guess.

>>16860224
Gigachad who still has to cope with his oneitis sleeping with other men

>>16860224
>>ignoring that he turns into gigachad after felurian
There's a scene near the end of the second book where he uses his magic powers to see what she's up to and gets a peek at her pimp beating her. And this is AFTER he's become the absurd gigachad mary sue who is kidnapped by the evil elf queen bitch who murders men if they can't sexually satisfy her and has never been sexually satisfied before and fucks her so good she falls madly in love with him when he's a virgin.

>>16860209
>>16860178
why cuck? I don't mind getting spoiled after all, I don't think I will finish the fucking book
>>16860225
cuck because of this I guess?

>>16860256
because his main romantic interest is an actual prostitute who fucks tons of guys but never him and he does huge mental leaps to justify how this is actually better for him

>>16860225
I read this before I'd heard of the word 'cuck'. I wonder if the fact that people have caught on is what's preventing him from being able to write the last book. I'm not going to read it, even if he does.

>>16860278
why doesn't he just pay her

>>16860292
Because he's a nice guy

>>16860296
>refusing to patronize Black-owned sex worker operations
totally anti-feminist

>>16860291
He said he won't write Doors of Stone until Trump is impeached or something, maybe he has to get back to work now

>>16856027
I really enjoyed it.

>>16860292
Because despite Kvothe Chadkiller being a power fantasy mary sue to a degree that would make isekai light novel protagonists blush, when it comes to Denna he's a complete beta bitch.
>>16860291
I want to read it just because I need to see how horribly rushed and unsatisfying the final part of the trilogy is.
To recap, at the start of book 1 Kvothe's dad is researching songs about ancient magical demons, is brutally murdered in front of him by an ancient immortal hero turned insane and evil by other magic to keep the secret of those demon guys from escaping, Kvothe vows to track him down and get revenge, then spends two books fucking around at wizard school and doing mercenary work making absolutely zero progress on the main hook of the story. So it's literally all going to have to happen in the final book.

>>16860315
Kingkiller Chronicle is a trilogy? Jesus. I thought based on the rate of progression it'd be like 10 books...

>>16855184
i made a thread yesterday and forgot what i even asked
is this any good?

How did the Hugo awards get so cucked? Why are they handing out awards based on how progressive and diverse the novel is rather than the actual story?

>>16860160
Redditor shilled it hard when it’s just some generic fantasy story

>>16860422
Yeah it's really good, most of what's good is in the first five books though.

>>16860432
Because Correia failed us.

>>16860448
>>16860432
Lmao, are you still crying about this? Every author there literally took a giant shit on you bitches and you keep crying about it years later. I hope they give the Hugos only to black trannies from now until the end of time just so I can see you seeethe

>>16860432
Because it's [current year]

>>16860515
Nobody cares anymore, Hugo awards don't even give a sales bump now.

>>16860432
isn't it crowd chosen? lol

>>16860534
I never did, this fuck does though:
>>16860522

And they are still whining.

>>16860515
Why are you so upset that the biggest sci-fi fiction award should be given based on merit and not how many minorities you stuff into your story? That was my only point and you sperged out.

>>16855184
>sanderson
Imagine willingly subjecting yourself to a complete losers ramblings

>>16860559
All authors backed off when you pussies stacked the ballots, if that didn't send a clear enough message I don't know what will.

>>16860576
Oh so you're asshurt at the Sad Puppies? I didn't even mention them, though I think they had a point and the absolute current pozzed state of the awards proved it. I tthink it's a silly view to think that if the Puppies didn't do anything then the poz wouldn't have happened, they just tried to stop it and failed.

>>16860567
Are you jelly of his success and happiness?

>>16860591
I wish him nothing but happiness and success. Its more of a question for you. Do you like to listen to fat nerd Mormons describe their fetishes in loving detail? If so, continue on with my blessing.
But, if I may, consider that the medium is the message. Maybe its just me. I expect more from a author than his willingness to expend 10,000 hours on video games as a tool for his writing structure.

>>16860608
I'll take your blessing and offer you my own in return

>>16860567
I'm starting to think he's letting an AI write his drivel. It's incredibly predictable and samey

B

>>16860583
I am the one asshurt? Holy shit, get a grip

>>16860665
Yeah you're coming across that way

anything like Gideon the Ninth? Specifically, bad humor and well written psychodrama.

>>16859948
The best waifus

>>16861006
>Syl landed beside him fully sized, in a Bridge Four uniform. He could faintly feel her when she rested her head on his shoulder.

>>16861006
>hey kid wanna /ss/

>Reading 'The Eye of the World'
>"Men are bad because evil, dumb, and shit"
>"Women rule the world because they are strongest and smartest and beautiful"

Does it ever stop with this 'Waman first' shit?
I just wanted a comfy adventure through a fantasy world not my fragile male ego being hurt

>>16860673
>anon starts bitching about awards
>I laff at your triggered self
>n-no it's you that's triggered

Get a grip muh man

>>16861048
It turns out men are right about everything and women are wrong about everything

>>16861048
The Aes Sedai are.. well not really villains, but they're not intended to be sympathetic.

>>16861072
Keep telling yourself that champ.

>>16861048
robert jordan either has a fetish for bitches or he was nagged by women until he became an incel

>>16861048
should have read prince of nothing bro

I'm going to buy some books during the big Black Friday sales and I'm down to the last few choices. I will allow you guys to make my decisions for me. Pick THREE (3) of these:
>Royal Assassin by Robin Hobb
>Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson
>Before They Are Hanged by Joe Abercrombie
>The Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe
>Litany of the Long Sun by Gene Wolfe
>The Complete Books of the Earthsea by Ursula Le Guin
>Star Maker by Olaf Stapleton
>Ringworld by Larry Niven
>The House on the Borderland by William Hope Hodgson
>Willful Child by Steven Erikson
>Heir to Empire by Timothy Zahn
>Forges of Mars omnibus by Graham McNeill
>Groombridge Log by Tommi Salminen

>>16861320
No you will buy 3 copies of Diane Duane "So You Want To Be A Wizard"

Lads, what about a world with portals that take you to other worlds.

Each world has two gates (portals) and they lead to another world.

Every five years the land that the portals take you to shifts and it directs you to a different world.

So for five years you are directed to an icey viking world at one gate, a desert Arab world at the other, then at the end of the five years it shifts and suddenly those portals lead you to a grassy dinosaur land and a marine water world.

Bloody brilliant! So much potential!

>>16861333
There's a comic from the 80's about life in a city where that kind of shit happens

>>16861320
Final Empire by BRANDON SANDERSON is the first Mistborn book which leads into a snowball if you're into that sorta thing.

>>16859898
>>16859911
>>16860105
>>16860148
so shallan is the one that killed honor?

>>16860160
>be op
>get gang buggered by force

>>16861048
The point of WoT by the end is that women are grossly incompetent
FUCK EGWENE

>>16861041
SPREN'D

>>16861464
>FUCK EGWENE
I hope so.
She is a pure virgin currently, but this she-witch Moiraine is trying to corrupt her.

Anyone happen to have a pdf or epub of Dawnshard?

>>16861493
zlibrary my nigga

>>16861499
Much appreciated.

Sucks that Sando is a moron and no one will bang their spren.

>>16861679
Why would spren be pulled into the real world if not for them to grow wombs so they can be impregnated?

>>16861456
Wouldn't even surprise me at this point.

>>16858864
I don't know about weird tales specifically but I know there are a lot of old pulp magazines on project gutenberg.

>>16859497
No because it doesn't exist
You can have the movie instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU8QHoL8Fc4

>>16860160
Im 90 percent sure the Name in the Wind was supposed to be a parody but Rothfuss got caught up in his own power fantasy.

>>>/tv/142563271
related

>>16861887
I doubt that. My theory is that Rothfuss thought "Hey, BotNS is a really smart series and it's about a bad-ass narrator with perfect memory recounting his experiences, I'll do that!" only he had no idea what he was doing and his book turned out to be a shallow self-insert fanfic that somehow caught on.

Finished the last two books of the second apocalypse series.
Overall a good series. The writing is strong, and bakker has a talent for creating a unique and interesting world. And the way he uses this as a vehicle for his philosophical ideas deserves a praise.

Also, the parallels between this series and malazan are fun. Like Cnaiür felt like a better version of Karsa Orlong.
However, while I enjoyed the conflict and journey of the characters in the first book, Kellhus invalidates these in the rest of the series.

The love triangle between Akka, Esmi and him?
We know Kellhus doesn’t feel anything and Esmi thoughts and feelings are artificially created by Kellhus. She isn’t just manipulated to “love” him and Kellhus doesn’t want to steal her away from Akka. He just calculated that she is useful for him and therefor made it happen.
I liked the dynamic between the whore Esmi and the honorless Akka in the beginning. And I would have loved to read the tragedy about they love falling apart or even getting a “happy ending” with them.

But with kellhus there is no tragedy. Esmi doesn’t have a choice. From a certain perspective, she has less freedom then a slave or a trained dog. Similar things happen to almost every other character. Kellhus turns these characters into mindless tools and we are just wondering what he intends to do with them.
You could argue in a similar fashion for the holy war. Instead of a devasting and murdering tragedy, it turns into a series of random town sackings as a part of Kellhus 10000 year long masterplan.

Turns out I like the Idea of a character like Kellhus. But I don’t like it as a big omnipresent part in the novel.
Not sure if I want to read another four (six?) books of this.

>>16855271
Changes day by day.

>>16855630
I think we're a lot more critical of Sandyboy than most places on the internet, and the general consensus is he's not as good as the real writers, but he writes really fucking fast and his style does appeal to many people.

I don't regret reading any of his stuff, I do wish he aimed a bit higher at the audience.

I had a dream that I was Charlie from IASiP and someone injected me with a bunch of drugs that put me in the hospital where I shit my pants in the bed and the nurse was the reincarnation of a beautiful greek goddess and I for some reason NEEDED her to help clean the shit off my ass

>>16862140
>the general consensus is he's not as good as the real writers,
What constitutes a "real writer"?

>>16862042
>theory is that Rothfuss thought "Hey, BotNS is a really smart series
I think this anon is onto something. Kvothe travels to the land of the fey, and fucks a literal goddess.
Severian travels to the land of the hierogrammates and fucks one of their servants, even though she (a younger version of) later cucks him.

>>16861320
Bros come on

>>16862098
i think youre overestimating kelhus a bit. by the time he goes crazy i think hes misjudged at least a few people although i guess he was also possessed at some point. Either way once people realize how evil he is like cnaiur theyre much less susceptible to him. He doesnt turn people into mindless tools hes just supernaturally good at manipulating them

>>16861320
Long Sun could go out of print at any minute, I'd get that.
Most are decent books, it all depends on what sort of shit you like, so grow the fuck up and make up your own mind.
I wouldn't spend a cent on shitty paperbacks I'll mostly forget about in 10 years. Get an ereader for genre fiction.

>>16862371
I am not good at making up my mind. If I need to choose between two options, I flip a coin.

>>16860160
main character is a cuckold

>>16862476
>THAT'S IT I'M WRITING ANOTHER SONG

>>16861048
Women are the main villains.

>>16861480
>Egwene
>Pure
>Ever

>>16862194
The guy is a soulless by-numbers "fantasy" conveyor belt. Not a real writer.

>>16861349
This image is almost everything stupid about read order charts all in one place. Right down to putting books that don't exist on it yet calling them mandatory. What moron made this?

>>16860301
Maybe Clarence Thomas can save us from more of that insufferable hack's writing.

>>16860325
It was announced as a trilogy when the first book came out, but then the second book barely advanced the plot at all so now if it is a trilogy, the third book is going to be extremely rushed compared to the second.

>>16859495
AAARGGG YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THIS QUIT BAITING MEE AAAARRRRGGH FUCK FUCK FUCKFYOU

>>16861212
BASED

>>16860535
The "Crowd" is a bunch of sniveling white liberals. The point is that it USED to actually be something of a good watchlist for decent science fiction because it was curated by people who actually appreciated the craft, now it's a total joke.

>>16862642
Kvothe should've been kicked out of the school at the end of the first book, that way he couldn't have spent most of WMF rehashing the same shit

>>16861048
What is /lit/'s final word on WoT?

>>16862700
I've only just started, but it feels like someone trying to write "Lord of the Rings" from memory.
I am enjoying it though for the most part.
It's just Moiraine constantly preaching about how great women are, while taking male slaves.

>>16862400
How do you pick which book to read if it lands on head ?

>>16862685
Should've left all the shit with ninjas and other crap for side stories and just focused on the main story in the second book. He dallied way too much and almost nothing important happened.

>>16862721
One book is assigned heads, the other is assigned tails. This is the function of flipping a coin.
In the unlikely event of the coin landing on its side, I will simply read Captain Bluebear's 13 and 1/2 Lives again

>>16862716
Just you wait until it's women taking female slaves , Jordan wrote those bits with a stiffy

>>16862742
It's a strange feeling reading a relatively un-sexual story and then you come to the part where you know for a certainty that the author wrote it while horny as shit.
Fucking Dan Simmons.

>>16862716
>it feels like someone trying to write "Lord of the Rings" from memory.
Yeah that's the first book for you. I still wonder if he wrote it that way because otherwise it wouldn't get published. It's very different from the rest of the series, though. It stands alone as this weird one-off adventure that exists just to set up the main plot of the rest of the books, but that setup didn't have to be written the way it was. So it just feels weird when you put it in the context of the entire series.

>It's just Moiraine constantly preaching about how great women are, while taking male slaves.
Yeah, you will see that Moiraine is actually one of the good Aes Sedai, comparatively speaking. In book 1 Aes Sedai are hyped up as these inscrutable, all knowing beings but you quickly find out in successive books that this reputation was deliberately crafted in order to cover up the many, many shortcomings of Aes Sedai.

You should never take anything characters say at face value in this series, the fact you noticed a discrepancy between Moiraine's actions and her words is good, because that happens an awful lot when it comes to Aes Sedai. They are magically compelled to tell the truth but they don't let that stop them from lying via omission and otherwise misleading people. If anything, the oath of truth is just there to make people trust them so they can lie more craftily.

>>16861349
>That many un-thought of sequels
No wonder he can't write for shit, imagine being stressed out having to write open ended pieces indefinitely.

>>16862140
We might be the only overtly-critical-of-Sanderson community, now that you mention it.
Sub(reddit)s exist to lick boots, and 17th Shard has been full of fanboys since its inception who can't handle anybody saying something negative about their master.

What fantasy book should I read first, bros?

>>16862878
King Arthur, my man

>>16862863
>unthought of
Elantris is going to have two sequels. We've known this for years.
Stormlight Archives is going to be ten books, two Parts of five apiece. We've known this for years.
Mistborn was always going to be three trilogies minimum (now four): Era 1, a modern-Mistborn, and a space opera future Mistborn. We've known this for years.
Dragonsteel was going to be ten books (and, bit surprise but we've known this for years) yet was actually cut down to a normal trilogy of three a few years ago. We won't get it until Stormlight is completed.
White Sand is on its third comic right now.
The only unknown is actually what other Cosmere shit he'll write.

>>16862899
Also a Warbreaker sequel.

>>16862899
>and a space opera future Mistborn.
Muh dick
WTF I love Sanderson now

>>16862909
Yep. It may be the only sequel in that image with its name listed (and known.)

As of last year, this is the current planned cosmere. Bold means the book is already written and published.
>tfw forgot he wants to do something with Aether of Night which you can/could read an old draft of
That's in twenty years either way.

>>16862899
You ever think unthought of might mean 'He just threw a number into the wind saying he'd write that many and pad the fuck out of the story he wants to tell?'

>>16862967
No considering he had planned for the cosmere to be 36 books from the start and he has always tried to keep that plan consistent. He even mentions it in last year's big blog post about his work progress.

How come fantasy books tend to be longer than sci-fi books? Seems as though fantasy regularly hits the 1000 page mark, but sci-fi is more like 500 pages max.

magical girl books?
preferably the rapey kind

>>16863032
Fantasy writers look up to Tolkien who wrote Lord of the Rings, a book so big it had to be split in three for publication. Sci-fi writers look up to Asimov, Clarke and Heinlein, who wrote short stories for magazines.

>>16862948
>Sanderson will likely die before we get sci-fi mistborn "kino"
How do I cope lads?

>>16863048
He'll be fine, during the Rhythm of War release event he said he'll have it all done when he's around 70

>>16863066
>around 70
If he makes it that long.
He is gaining on GRRM's weight fast.

>>16863066
>he'll be fine

The more Expanse novels I read, the worse opinion I have about Jame S. A. Corey.
Up until the Nemesis Games I used to think that this series was going to be about the protomolecule and uncovering the mystery of the dead alien civilization. Meawnwhile they dedicated fifth and sixth book to some pointless war and in the seventh and eighth it wasn't much better, the main topic from the first books was barely brushed. (Un)fortunately the ninth book is going to be the last one and I wonder what will the authors deliver. Their novels are quite long but on the other hand, I'm afraid the story may be to compressed, if they decide go explain what were those aliens and what killed them.
Right now it looks like they had an interesting idea but didn't know how to develop it.

>>16863091
By then the brand will be so big he'll have everything outlined and they can ghostwrite the remaining books.

>>16863091
GRRM made it to 72 with this corpulence. There is no reason to assume our rotund Mormon autist couldn't do the same.

>finish Part One
>all Interludes are buildup to Part Two
I miss when interludes were their own thing but Part Two's epigraphs, this letter to the Wanderer (probably another reply to Hoid) seems more interesting than flash quiz of Mistborn's magick system with Navani's lecture. Navani is decent enough though and I like the magitech autism. I hope Urithiru's story goes somewhere neat.

will Sandersama's work ever get a manga adaptation?

how do I write a story with a reptilian cabal without getting accused of being an antisemite?

>>16863346
Jews are totally neurotic and pick up on any and everything as a direct attack. On the other hand, normalfags won't notice a thing.

>>16863141
GRRM didn't get fat until he was in his late 50s.
Sanderson is barely 40.

>>16860160
same. his chip on the shoulder was annoying too. What I remember the most is him being powerful, constantly bitching about how he will pay for school and looking down on everyone who has not had it as hard as him.

>>16860292
because she might throw it back at him and it would ruin their "friendships" . Denna is not oblivious, she knows exactly what she is doing.

>>16863346
As long as you're not actually an antisemite, you will be fine.

>>16855750
jump from the bridge

>>16855735
You should read them it's great book series or at least stop after 4th.

>>16863043
makes sense

>>16859241
>>16862098
>>16862332
>>16862653
Here's a little gift for the Bakkerchads.
And a threadly reminder that no one should ever waste their time reading Sanderhack.

>>16863711
Based

>Chadolin Kholin daring the Honor guys to legal Russian roulette
>Shallan comes along

Oh look, it's another "best character and worst character" episode.

>>16863711
>Implying that Khellus is going anywhere except hell

>>16860160
Fantasy readers have incredibly low standards. This is babby's first "good prose" book for your average fantasy reader. So all it takes is for something that's pretty fucking hit and miss in terms of prose (mostly miss, though a few passages are actually pretty nice), and your average mouthbreather, who thinks a hack like Sanderson is a good writer, will be dumb enough to think this special in terms of prose.

It's a 3.5/5 at best.

>>16863907
Yes.
> "While you tried to save your souls, I struck treaties with the Pit. While you strived to shut the World, I strived to conquer Hell."

>>16863941
>another anon trying to talk about prose
We got another one

>>16863969
Why would you ever assume that one of the Dunyain would be telling you the truth instead of bullshitting you to get what he wants?

ok, so I've finished the first Endymion book. And yeah, it's not as good as Hyperion.

I've already talked about the weird semi-pedo angle. But the problem that stood out to me near the end was that Raul, the main character, is just fucking boring. Like, his only purpose is just to be the main character. The avatar for the reader, as this strong man in his late 20s who goes on a journey. But nothing about this journey is particularly relevant to him, and he doesn't grow as a character. In fact, her regresses.

In the beginning of the book, Raul is set up as this pretty outstanding guy. He comes from a strong bloodline, which in terms of Hyperion would make him something of a Prince or a Lord. But he lives this humble life of a hunter. He's thoughtful and compassionate, but also strong and quick to act. He wasn't very worldly, but he still had a sharp mind. He was able to read people, and anticipate their follies. By all accounts, he was supposed to be this hero who goes from inexperience and rough around the edges, to something more wise and refined after experiencing the wider world.

However, Raul ends up being this fucking dope for the rest of the journey who only cares about his gun. Every time there's the slightest danger, he's thinking about how to shoot it. And of course there is always a contrivance as to why he can't shoot it. In some cases, it's actively a bad idea to shoot it, but he's still going "muh gun, muh gun". Which is completely counter to what was established in the beginning of the book. Where Raul is actually the victim of a careless, prideful, gun toting idiot. Then by the end of the book, he is that careless, prideful, gun toting idiot.

I've already begun the new book. And only a few chapters in, Raul is still that idiot who speaks before he thinks. And once again, I'm failing to see his importance in anything. He's just the dumb PoV for the reader.

>>16863711
Remind me, who were the scalded?
The ones who got nuked and left behind?
Also where would my main man fit on the graph?
Suppose its about time to re-read this.
Any updates on the No-God books?

>>16864281
>he fell for the Endymion meme
lol got another one

>>16864490
Have you read Endymion?

>>16864281
Dan Simmons only writes good first books. Just skip Endymion and go read his other series starter, Ilium. But for god sakes don't read that one's sequel either.

>>16863978
>>another anon trying
>We got another one
You're not looking very sharp yourself, retard.

>>16863091
Don't worry he got a standing desk

>>16863043
>so big it had to be split into three
>now it's normal for regular fantasy novels to be as long as the entire trilogy
Rhythm of War (recent sandersand) is almost exactly as long as LotR and could have been split into four or five decently-sized novels with no ill effect.

>>16863408
Throw it back at him by paying him for sex? idgi

>>16863895
>quotes for the entire section are from Kelek in the crystal
>she doesn't put him in the crystal
What was that about?

>>16864516
Not him but I thought it was boring and dropped it a couple chapters in and consider Hyperion/Fall to be complete.

>>16864719
But the first few chapters are the best the book has. How could you give up on it then?

Should I give Aspect-Emperor a chance?

Why or why not? What worked and what didn't?

>>16855184
>fition
Anon...

>>16864320
The graph is a bit of a joke since there's almost zero actual salvation in Bakker's universe. The fact that every soul is basically damned by default forms the motor of the entire series.

The Survivor is a really interesting character. The Dûnyain are objectively evil, according to the vision of Mimara's Judging Eye, because they have abandoned all compassion in the name of pure logic. Yet the way this ultra-sheltered autist has suffered after his world was rudely awakened by incursion from the outside, mirrors the way the world of Eärwa itself was invaded by the nihilistic evil of the Ark. The Survivor's struggle to make sense of what has happened, despite his massive powers of analytic comprehension, and his resolution to survive and raise his child, make for a compelling character. I don't know where he'd place in the graph; I mean, all of Bakker's characters are so morally complex it's hard to situate anyone anywhere.

Not a peep on the No-God series yet, but many anons think that the Survivor's Dûnyain son (which they have retardedly dubbed Crabicus or something) will be the hero of the next series of novels.

>>16860432
And now they're adding Vivian James*cough*video games too.

>>16860515
This isn't Metafilter anon. And stop disgracing BASED Aristotle.

>>16864320
>>>/tg/76126021

>>16864320
Yes the Scalded were the victims of the nuclear blast, who the Ordeal abandoned, and then later returned to in order to satiate the unnatural hungers caused by their addiction to the Meat. One of the most gleefully insane, disturbing, and Blood Meridiian-esque scenes in all of Bakker.

The graph is kind of a joke since everyone is damned by default. Bakker's universe is predicated on the darkness that comes before. Koringhus might have been close to grasping the Absolute and freeing himself from the World's chains of causality. Or maybe he just lost his damn mind, like Kellhus

Anyone reading that web novel on spacebattles “the last angel”? I think it’s neat

>>16864716
It's not from Kelek in the crystal, it's from Kelek, about the crystal. Probably it's what he writes during the trial.

>>16863969
BASED quote BASED bakker. other fantasy simply cant compete

>>16864747
if you liked prince of nothing yes its mostly similar quality although I think most find unholy consult disappointing plot-wise especially as the end of the series.

>>16862967
That's not really how Sanderson writes. Everything in his books is very rigidly ordered, everything has its place and fits neatly into it. I think this is a big reason he has such a massive output of books, because he's had this plan in place for a long time and has just worked toward gradually realizing it.

>>16864699
30 years ago nothing like Rhythm of War would've been published, they would have insisted he break it into at least 3 books, if not more. Hell even Jordan's early WoT books were originally split into smaller volumes and they're not near as long as the Stormlight archives. Publishing standards really changed after 1990s.

>>16863390
Fat comes with success, not age, for fantasy writers.

vidyagaymes aint doing it for me now that im at home 24/7, recommend me some shit
ive read enders game but apart from that im a complete newfag

>>16865051
Recommend you what? Sci-fi or fantasy? Or both?

>>16865082
i dont know, i havent read many books so i dont know what i like

>>16865114
What types of games did you like? Types of movies? You surely must know what genres you're into if you consume any kind of media. To start with: did you enjoy Ender's Game?

>>16865051
Read Wheel of Time. It's an enjoyable book, and it fills a lot of time. It's a good entry into fantasy. The story starts off pretty simple, but continues to grow and become more intricate. So the beginning has that JRPG feel you're probably already familiar with, only with more depth.

>>16865114
Read the dang OP

>>16863042
Hogg by Samuel Delany

>>16863042
Iron Dragon's Daughter

>>16865172
...this is more rape than I was looking for

>>16865184
picked up

>>16864747
I liked it, it's definitely worth it if you liked the first trilogy. It leans pretty hard into the horror element in AE too.

>>16859497
Use libgen in the future
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=with+fire+and+sword&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def
>>16861774
This is one of the most famous books in Polish, I am Ukrainian and I never doubted for a second that this was translated into English, translation is not as hard as you imagine it. Books of this level of fame always receive translation, period.

>>16865172
Faggot should've been hanged from a street lamp.

okay, how about mahou shoujo/magical girl without the rape?

>>16863017
Except when he expanded the Alloy of Law, intended as a one-off, into a full quadrilogy, compete with small spin-off novellas. There will probably be more than 36, and perhaps not all threads will be finished.

>>16863048
Since he already has experience with finishing the Wheel of Time, he'll probably have outlines passed on to several groomed successor writers should his inevitable demise draw near.

>>16865530
By the time he dies he will write every series into a plot corner that only his seventh son can write his way out of.

Quick, before the thread dies, recommend me something fantastical with good characters. Pic unrelated.

My reading history so far:
Finished:
Dune**, Licanius Trilogy*, The First Law, The Broken Earth*, Memory Sorrow and Thorn*, The Wheel of Time**, Nightflyers*, Book of the Ancestor*, A Memory Called Empire*, The Curse of Chalion 1-3**, Penric's Demon*, Penric and the Shaman*, Penric's Mission*, The Library At Mount Char@, The Farseer Trilogy**, The Elder Empire series(Shadow), The Gentleman Bastard 1** and 2, Hyperion**, Endymion 1

Ongoing:
Cradle(Will Wight)**, A Song of Ice and Fire**, The Elder Empire series(Sea), Vorkosigan Saga**, Liveship Traders*

Skipping:
The Prince of Nothing, The Book of the New Sun, The Black Company, Malazan, The Song of the Shattered Sands@, Borne, The Mermaid's Tale(V.D.Valdron)@, Endymion 2

*liked
**liked a lot
@disliked

>>16865885
>Skipping:
>The Prince of Nothing, The Book of the New Sun,
Why? Because you have poor taste?

>>16865922
I skipped them so long ago, that I don't even remember why.

>liked a lot
>ASoIaF

>>16865948
What's better? I'd give it a try.

>>16865885
Cugel the Clever from Dying Earth is a fantastical character

>>16865885
Why are you skipping botns and black company?

>>16866066
Like I told the other anon, I don't remember after all this time. The skip lost is a mixed bag. Some books I skipped because their audiobook narrators are awful. Other books I skipped because I just plain didn't like them. I don't remember which book fits in which category anymore.

>Together, they’d begun calling themselves the Unseen Court. Both Veil and Shallan loved the title … though Radiant had noticed more than a few eye rolls from Windrunners when it was mentioned

>>16866076
It would be a shame to miss those two for reasons you don't remember. Also, try Lyonesse -- classic but different, rich and savory.

>>16866051
I'm kind of getting sick of boomer fantasies. But alright, I'll give it a shot.

>>16866097
I might try Lyonesse too. Same author as Dying Earth, huh? I hope he's good.

>>16866200
He's got a vibe, a cadence. When you catch it he's hilarious. When you don't, he's stilted and weird.

>>16866230
Well I hope it comes through in audiobook.

>>16865948
t. contrarian cuck trying to fit in

>thinking ASoIaF is good genre fiction

>>16866387
it is tourist

>>16866387
it is despite its meme status. No idea how you would read a lot of fantasy and not realize asoiaf is better than the vast majority

Let Sanderson End

Not much longer now...

>>16866579
Make it new you dirty bird

>>16866612
no u

>>16866653
You wouldn't like me when I make threads

>>16866674
I wouldn't like you regardless.