/lit/ - Literature

Actually, the previous thread is:
>>16826411
>>16826411

Fuck maps
Fuck world building
Fuck martin
Fuck rothfuss
Fuck sanderson
Fuck all female authors
Fuck magic systems
Fuck the chosen one
Fuck sagas
Fuck trilogies
Fuck chronicles
Fuck sequels
Fuck prequels
Fuck female protagonists
Fuck multiple POVs
Fuck magic swords
Fuck fetishized violence
Fuck grimdark
Fuck chinkshit
Fuck empires
Fuck traveling parties
Fuck terrible romance
And fuck medieval settings

Is Malazan really as confusing and 'hard' as booktubers like to claim?

>>16840064
based

>>16840110
It's not confusing nor 'hard' at all; the writer just throws a bunch of shit at the wall and hopes you're impressed by it.

it's a masterpiece

>>16840064
the hero /sffg/ needs, but not the one it deserves

Fuck this piece of shit. I can't believe I waited for all these years for him to write this trash. I still can't get it out of my head how bad that last book was. Sure. Prince of Nothing had its issues. But nothing compared to how bad the Aspect-Emperor turned out to be. He wrote thousands of pages that amounted to nothing.

>>16840141
It's alright. The three main plotlines are pretty interesting and build up properly. Kaladin sneaking around the tower trying to keep the entire thing from collapsing was cool. Navani's probably the weakest story thread if you don't really care for the magic system. Way less Shallan this time and she's carried by Adolin.

Felt like this book was mostly a set-up for the fifth, especially with the stuff at the end. I'm looking forward to Szeth and Kaladin's uncomfortable road trip to Shinovar.

Aahh eemmm
No fucks for e william brown

>>16840141
>>16840237
I've read so many spoilers on this board and I'm only 10 chapters in. Honestly idk if I care enough to spend another 20 hours on it..

It's not as bad as Dawnshard surely but are you memeing that it's good?

>>16840347
I liked it. I guess read until shit hits the fan and see if you wanna continue?

>finish Dawnshard
>have questions that may be answered in Rhythm
>probably spoil myself looking
fug
at least the lore implications are neat like Adonalsium being split into 4 at first then 4 from there

>>16840141
I think it sacrifices too many character moments to advance the plot but it was pretty good.

I'm a sucker for digital immortality and its societal implications. I've already read Permutation City and Altered Carbon. Totally down for recommendations along these lines if anything comes to your minds anons.

>>16840625
you might like Virtuals from Xeelee

>>16840466
With Sanderson shit usually hits the fan near the end.

>>16840704
Yeah well keep reading until you know what I'm talking about or don't

>>16840064
If you hate all that shit, just read Pic related. And then not the sequel, which was K but unnecessary (avoid #3 and #4 which were barely connected to 1 and 2 and incredibly boring)

Is Abercrombie's Age of Madness as good as, or close to, the First Law trilogy?

>>16840141
I think it follows Oathbringers plot structure too much.
Also I wish certain events were moved around or shortened. Kaladin's part confined to interludes and he was stuck in that Radiant coma and not being Die Hard man, Teft dying sooner so Kaladin can actually have his revelation over a period of chapters instead of in a single one, not as much fucking science time between Dalinar's wife and the Parshwoman. And more Adolin and his sword wife. Moash being featured in more than three chapters. And the biggest gripe is why the fuck the two Heralds Dalinar and co. have weren't featured more.
I think Sanderson's pacing is fucked now because everyone expects his SA books to be at least a thousand pages minimum and so he writes too much fluff to meet those expectations, when this one could have easily been five hundred or so if a lot of the chaff were removed.

>>16840347
I thought there was more action overall than Oathbringer.

>>16840558
I don't think the Dawnshards are "pieces" of Adonalsium like the Shards are, I think they're "splinters" of Adonalsium's creating the universe that persisted in their own power. Like spren.

>>16840141
Kaladin/Laral, the old fool is out of the way. Now's the time!

>>16840578
>it sacrifices too many character moments to advance the plot but it was pretty good.

that seems to be increasing with ever new book. by the time the sixth book rolls around I wouldn't be surprised if it just consists of the characters saying their name, then swinging their swords like retards in random directions until the next plot point hits 20 pages later.

>>16840064
what are the best scifi books that follow to this rule set?

Ender's Game was fucking fantastic

Sanbran Brendensun.

>>16841233
>what are the best scifi books that follow to this rule set?
The (P K) Dick

>>16840323
>Daniel the Black
More like Daniel the Simp. He is so pussywhipped it ain't funny.

>>16841413
So long gay bowser

>>16840977
Oh I wasn't implying that but it is interesting how there were four(?) Dawnshards and they were used to do the original Shattering. I hope Dawnshards are elaborated upon more at all in Rhythm
I'm a few chapters into Rhythm and I don't seem to remember SHIT from Oathbringer.

I know that the meme "X character did nothing wrong" gets tossed around a lot, but I genuinely struggle to understand why Taravangian is a villain.

>>16841620
He doesn't follow our protagonists shallow morality. Maybe cultivation wants to feel a little "Vargo" and create a new hybrid spren as well.

I understand Kaladin's dad is supposed to be a pacifist, but holy shit he is an annoying little shit of a man and unfun to read. He is an active detriment and I wished he died instead of Teft because it looked like that was where the whole arc for him was going.

>>16841635
I'm >>16841576 and all I remembered about Lirin was him being annoying toward Kaladin. Who asked for a Lirin POV? What is even the point? Behind-the-scenes of singer occupation? zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

>>16841627
Between him and Honor apparently she has a thing for retards.
>>16841635
He has some reasonable points but when he is literally going
>let's just surrender to the army of immortal genocidal bug-people who want to wipe us off the face of the planet and HOPE they don't kill all because killing is wrong, even in the most explicit self-defense imaginable.
He's taking it a bit far.
It's especially weird because in Kaladin's flashback in book 1 Kaladin realizes that he totally would have "accidentally" botched the surgery and killed Roshone if Kaladin wasn't there watching.

>>16841635
on the flip side. I like Kaladin's mom.

>>16841703
Do you want to fuck her?

>>16841823
No. I want Laral.

>>16841832
You want used goods?

>>16841856
Yes!

>>16841856
She fucked a terrible old man just for his money.
It's the only way I can ever imagine having a rleationship

>>16841863
So she a thot?
I bet she tried to appeal to her and kaladin's childhood friendship when she saw how powerful he got, and she wanted in on some of that power.

So i have been thinking that a lot of series that i read the main characters are pretty dumb only kept alive by plot convenience and luck. Are their any characters who are actually smart and written intelligently?

>>16840064

hey you forgot Fuck jannies

>>16840141

>#1 NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR

aaaaand dropped

>Dark One Book 1 is the first book in a series of graphic novel written by Brandon Sanderson and adapted into its format by Jackson Lanzing and Collin Kelly, with artwork by Nathan Gooden and Kurt Michael Russell.[1] The story takes places both on Earth and in an alternate world called Mirandus, with the two worlds influencing each other, even though only some in each are aware of the other. Though the protagonist, Paul Tanasin, is from Earth, there are prophecies of him in Mirandus -- prophecies claiming that he will be their destroyer, the Dark One.

Are there any science fictions with extreme progression? Don't want to read a story that takes place in a year, but civilizational change, willing to read a series +++.

>>16840819
It's close. Really depends on how good the final book is.

>>16842091
Mars trilogy by KSR, Accelerando by Stross.

>>16842091
Have you read galactic empire / foundation?

>>16842108
>>16842152
thanks, I'll check it out

>>16842091

A Deepness In The Sky

>>16841635
FUCK MOASH

>>16842733
God I hope my boy Sandy doesn't do a redemption arc for him in SA2.

>>16840110
It's harder to read than other fantasy. No book is truly hard to read though, you just sit down and look at words on a page.

Name a subgenre that has been as criminally underused, and when it is used the end product is utter mediocrity, as the gunpowder fantasy.
I don't think you can.

ooga booga bonk club head splash ungee bongee

>>16842091
Remembrance of Earth's Past
Dune

I am unwilling to read a series.

>>16842868
"""dieselpunk"""

Despite numerous attempts there is not a single standout work.

>>16842868
Fantasy with guns?

17th century style aesthetics?

I think the main problem is you essentially lose out on all the cool aspects of swordfighting, which is easier to write about than gun battles.

>>16843214
Powdermage series. I only read one book of it, but it's muskets and pistols + magic.

If you don't mind something a little later period, there's also The Thousand Names for Napoleonic fantasy.

>>16840110
I don't know what kind of things "booktubers" say about it because I'm not a faggot who gets his opinions from ecelebs.

Regardless, Malazan is only "hard" if you have ADHD or otherwise fail to engage with what you read and remember details. Because what it does is throw a lot of details at you without any context at first. And it never really slows down, so you either remember stuff or you get lost later. As I said, not a problem if you pay attention and think about what you're reading, only a problem if you're a distracted reader or somebody just looking for something quick to blitz through.

Golgotterath ... Gorgoroth
Quya... Quenya
Dunedain... Dunyain

I have ADHD and oftentimes fail to engage with what I read and remember details.

>>16843413
same

>>16843503
>>16843413
>>>/tv/

Why was it so much better than all three sequels so far?

Heard that dark skin/light hair is a pulp trope. It also happens to make my penis hard. Any recs?

He did LITERALLY nothing wrong
Roshar's fate is in good hands

>>16842868
Only the Mad Max movies have done apocalyptic desert wasteland right.

>>16843916
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarkSkinnedBlond
>>16844001
A Canticle for Leibowitz would like a word with you.

>>16844034
>tvtropes
The only shit those spergs read is horse show fanfiction.

>>16843361
im a retard but this does make it harder than other books, why is malazan fans jerk off about how hard it is in every youtube video about it? because its hard.

>spend over half the time on your dumb manhattan project magic system bullshit

What the absolute fuck was sanderbrand thinking? Honestly this book was worse than oathbringer. Do his editors just let him do whatever the fuck he wants? The only interesting thing in this book was andolins trial and THAT gets ignored for 70% of the book.

>>16843936
Roshar's fucked now. Rayse was dumb. Taravagian isn't anymore.

>>16844695
This.
Dalinar will become Trell.

Is there any fantasy book/author that is really concerned with social laws of cause and effect, and that every time a new fantasy element is added they explore its practical implications in questions of economy, war, and so on?

>>16844744
You want science fiction.

>>16840736
>Hugo Award

D R O P P E D
R
O
P
P
E
D

>>16842018
Something else he forgot

>>16840064
>Fuck all female authors
>Fuck female protagonists
I would if I could :(

>>16840625
I just finished Permutation City and am considering Diaspora since I've heard it expands on some of the concepts.

>>16840064
That's a pretty based enumeration, anon.

>>16842733
>hey it's time for the re-union between Kaladin and his best friend turned evil
>last seen after he dramatically betrayed them and brutally murdered one of Kaladin's friends right in front of him while the man was holding his infant child and begging for mercy
>he's standing in the pool of blood of the corpse of the man who ruined both their lives
>now, for the dramatic showdown!
>what will moash say to justify his heinous actions? How will Kaladin react?
>Moash: dude kill yourself lmao
>Kaladin: he's making a strong case

>>16840141
It's not nearly as good as Oathbringer
Navani's story was surprisingly good though

>>16840064
maybe you could try fucking a grill for once

I'm reading the Wanderer series now. They suck but I can't stop reading them

>>16844805
Too hot

>>16844700
>The reason Sanderson delayed Wax and Wayne 4 for so long is because he wants to drop off Trell hints in it

>>16840736
Jewish trash

>>16843861
Sanderson cant focus on one series and is working on several books at the same time. So we can expect a drop in quality with the amount of writing he does.

>>16844878
>we
Only tourists care about this soulless YA trash.

>>16840064
and most importantly, fuck you.

>>16844901
Yes daddy UwU

>>16840110
No. Malazan is simply not character-driven like modern fantasy in general tends to be. It's also an exercise in world building more than anything else.

>>16842091
>Are there any science fictions with extreme progression?
Star Maker by Olaf Stapledon. You're not ready for the kind of scale we're talking about here.

>>16844878
I dunno, according to him the fact that he doesn't works only on one thing keeps him for burning out.

>Knights Radiant Ideals
OR
>-lord revelations

>But it’s also because I’ve begun to realize that I need to keep more of my focus on the Cosmere.
>That isn’t to say I’m not going to write anything that isn’t Cosmere moving forward. (Skyward proves that.)

>Start reading
>bored
>Stop reading
>want to read more

Is this the power of fantasy?

reading Edgar Rice Borroughs' Barsoom books right now. currently on the third book. it's simple and predictable, but fun and comfy swashbuckling.

Where should I start reading 40k books?
Seems like an interesting setting

>>16845077
You shouldn't, it isn't.

>>16845077
40k books?
Even at one a week, that's 770 years.
I'd just settle for a couple hundred if I were you.

>>16842091
Beggars in Spain trilogy

SUNG

>>16843214
Lightbringer series, definitely. Still plenty of sword fighting, so to speak.

Thoughts on this?

ummm bakkerbros?

>>16845171

>>16840064
>Fuck magic swords
>Fuck Medieval settings
>Fuck empires
>Fuck the chosen one

Wait... What's wrong with these four?

>>16845176
I'm not seeing the issue here

>>16844810
Is it a book for ants?

>>16845171
>>16845176
What's going on here?

>>16845278
incel dragon

>>16844754
Hugo award from like 1980...

>>16845278
Dragon is hungry for virgins

>>16845077
The novels are usually meant to be self-contained as far as the setting is concerned, so long as you don't jump into a series midway through.
Gaunt's Ghosts is often recommended as an introduction, it follows an Imperial Guard regiment, the first and only regiment from planet lost to the forces of Chaos immediately after their inauguration. The characters are cliched but likable, try First and Only and see if you like it.

>>16845077
eisenhorn

What is sffg's opinion on litrpg?

>>16840064
i didn't know there were chads in these boring threads

*ahem* fffffffffuck olver
why do i have to read so much about mat interacting with an ugly child who slaps women on their asses constantly

>>16845706
Olver is great. Also gets to fuck Birgitte eventually.

>>16845717
>all that setup about how birgitte likes ugly men for this
i hate olver even more now. robert jordan is a hack

Look Cyberpunk lovers.
>>>/v/533151660

>>16845728
Well if you didn't realize, Olver is Gaidal Cane.

>>16840064
I've yet to even read a single book within this genre.
Is there a single book in this genre that meets your checklist? You basically destroyed my whole idea of the genre and then some so I'm curious.

>>16840141
All in all, Brandon Sanderson is someone I respect and enjoy a lot.

>>16845773
And so, slowly, the power of Mormonism grew.

>>16845783
Hello
My name is Elder Sanderson
I would like to tell you about the most amazing book
It's a book about America a long, long time ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmp-xmguqh4

>>16845799
>Yes, there is a lot of Judeo-Christian thinking in his writing. Though I have to say that Mormon theology and how it relates to henotheism is definitely evident. Ruin, Preservation, and eventually Harmony are an excellent examples of how his writing was influenced by mormonism. Mormon's believe that as children of God, they can become gods themselves. Sazed becoming Harmony (God) is a prime example. Once you dive into the cosmere, the parallels become even more interesting.
That's it, it's time to embrace the church of LDS and become a great fiction writer.

>>16845077
Fifteen Hours is 40k at its purest. Only a couple hundred pages, too.

Eisenhorn series is also good. And the first trilogy of Horus Heresy is pretty good scifi but then the series balloons to ridiculous size with quality varying from "good" to "absolute garbage", and with half of the books (no correspondence to quality) having no bearing on the overarching plot.

>>16841233
See
>>16840736

>>16840064
And what do you recommend me, wise sir :3

>>16845846
Rendezvous with Rama
Childhood's End
Stand on Zanzibar
Roadside Picnic

>>16842091

>>16840202
> trash
> bad
this is bait, but explain yourself, in detail, with examples. i unironically thought TUC was one of the strongest books in an excellent series. yes it has its flaws (mostly related to the minituae of plotting) but it’s a gripping and compelling vision in fantasy unlike any other.
> inb4 gay shit
> inb4 confusing
> inb4 ending
you’re not a vile little pleb, are you, anon?

>>16840064
>Fuck female protagonists
kekerino

>>16845171
>>16845176
he doesn’t mean it in the 4chan pedo sense retard. it’s just a reference to vagene, now kys

>>16845869
yeah this is fucking wild

>>16845908
an ancient dragon using that word is kind of funny


>>16840202
NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE THE MAIN CHARACTER DIE AND A BAD ENDING NOOO

>>16842868
Powder mage is fun read. Don't think it's very mediocre

How is Daniel Black so good bois? It has completely ruined fantasy for me. This is how you write a book and use magic. No stupid MC cliche to move a plot forward. A competent protagonist using what little he has to survive.

>>16846313
Explain further

What tropes or signals immediately let you know that a fantasy book is going to be a good time?

>>16846523
Dialogue I think. Just the way characters talk immediately tells me a lot about how the book is written.

>>16846131
I've only read the first book, but it's very Sanderson-esque, though with a lot more implied rape and sex. I would prefer more focus on the actual warfare, instead of on the magic bullshit.

What does /sffg/ think about magical realism?

>>16846576
>I would prefer more focus on the actual warfare
Then you'll probably like the second book more, as it focuses much more on the military side of things. The magic does play a role in it, but more along the lines of a force multiplier. Taniel spends half the second book effectively forcing the kez Priviledged to keep their heads down so the actual soldiers can do the soldier things without magic playing a role in the battle either way.

Anyone else have thoughts on Falkenberg's legion? I've found it fine so far but really isn't that sci fi at all. He really could have done something to make it at least feel like its in the future, the tech they're using is pretty much equivalent to the year 2000 but we're apparently in the future with interstellar travel.

>>16845077
Unironically just read the wiki, it's literally the best way to read about it, the wiki writers are better than the average black library author.

Sanderfags

Do I buy Way of Kings as one book or do I buy part 1 first?

>>16846843
Buy it as one book but you have to read Warbreaker first.

>>16846843
It's one book, so buy it as one I guess, unless you plan to read it outside of your house where a smaller size would be advantageous.

>>16846853
>Warbreaker

Wut?

>>16846857
>Reading Fantasy outside the house in public

Absolutely not

>>16846864
Anon people don't care what you read, if you're not on your phone you have already impressed them.

>>16846864
>Absolutely not
Why not? I was reading Gardens of the Moon at uni and a cute girl came to talk to me about it

Should I read the dying earth or the Book of the new sun ?
The chart says the dying earth is "humorous", I don't want that I want the feels.

>>16847016
Book of the New Sun was inspired by Dying Earth, so start with the Greeks and read Dying Earth first.

>>16846576
Powder mage actually becomes better in the second and third book exactly because of those reasons

>>16844695
It's all part of Renarin's plan boyo

>>16847229
Can Renarin even see that far? He's not a god.

>>16847246
He positioned Taravangian into killing Rayse, he has to be pretty informed at this point

>>16847261
I dunno, I don't see how Renarin would be responsible for Szeth deciding to kill Taravangian. I don't remember him interacting with Szeth at all this book. Maybe he did saw Taravangian ascending to take Odium's place but found that he was powerless to stop it, so he apologized because he probably consider ascending into a god of boundless hate when all you really want is to protect your people to be a terrible fate.

In any case, if Renarin knows then he must have a pretty fucking good reason to not tell Dalinar Odium's vessel has changed. Considering the epilogue is about Odium making sure Wit does not suspect the switcheroo it's fair to assume he will remain hidden from Dalinar until the day of the duel.

>>16847301
Renarin must've seen something if he decided that Taravangian ascending is a better alternative to Rayse staying in power
He could've easily entered the shack and killed Taravangian, instead he told him he was ''Sorry'', which implies that Taravangian in power is a part of Renarin (and possibly Sja-Anat's) gambit

>>16847316
I imagine Cultivation already knows T's game and has contingencies in place to handle him.

>>16847519
>Cultivation was Odium's secret ally hinted at by Sanderson in his Q&A

Played us like a damn fiddle.

>>16847519
>I imagine Cultivation already knows T's game and has contingencies in place to handle him.
I thought it was pretty clear by their dialogue at the end that Taravangian taking over was explicitly what she planned for and intended from the very beginning by giving him his RNG INT.

>>16847583
Yes but I'm seeing some people act like Cultivation is an idiot for doing this and is naively unaware of what Taravangian is.

FUCK spoiler tags

>>16847597
Does it truly matter what Taravangian is or was? He's Odium now. Rayse was beaten down due to having personally fought and won several 2vs1 fights and being trapped for millenias. Now the shard has a fresh vessel to work with.

>>16847597
I think she underestimates the tool that she made

>on chapter 6
God this whole
>Veil took a shit
>But Radiant commented on how the smell would get them noticed
>Shallan had never sketched poo and did not have the desire however
is gonna get real confusing and OLD real fast

BRANDOOM SANDERSTORM

>be Morash
>talk to Kaladin
>kill, yourself my dude
it aaaalmost works
-.-

>>16848180
Speech 99

>>16840028
Can someone post that meme chart that includes Blindsight and Snow Crash ( I think ) ? Thanks

>>16844802
>>16848180
A lot of people are noticing how stupid that bit is.
Moash genuinely believing Kaladin's immortal is pretty funny though.

>>16848567
Technically he had orders from his boss to keep Kaladin alive. But yeah Moash is an obsessed moron.

>>16845706
Cause you failed to drop this in the ample time provided to you. Only pain now.

>>16845706
Don't worry, Matt soon gets to interact with a whole host of bitchy Aes Sedai for like five books in a row who make Olver look like a goddamn saint.

>>16848094
>is gonna get real confusing
A three character scene is confusing to you?

>>16847580
>shadesmar spren complaining about "organized worship of Honor"
>surprised that Cultivation is the other half of "we killed you"

>Thomas Ligotti wrote a "heroic fiction" story
Oh man I'm tempted to read this since I'm starting to warm up to Mr. Ligotti, but I'm worried it will be Bakker-tier and I've had enough of that asshole.

>>16845160
One of my favorite authors and a great sword and sorcery series.

>>16845663
complete trash but some people here stan it

Targaryenbros, what are the chances of (F)aegon and Dany join forces and restoring targaryen back on the throne? Fuck Jon. I want my pure blood valyrian master race ruling again.

>it has been 5 years since the last second apocalypse book
>No news no on the next book
>Bakker give up on finishing the series

It's over bros.

>>16849281
Shut the fuck up faggot I will murder you

>>16849485
Let it go, no one cares anymore, not even fatman, he got his schekels and clearly has no motivation to finish. Looks like he's lost interest in this setting and moved on to other stuff. Or just to a comfy retirement, since he's finally made it big... what else is there to strive for? He's not that young anymore, it would be normal if he just wanted to rest now, when you grow older you'll understand.

>>16849540
So, there's any good fantasy book on song of ice and fire level? Like great worldbulding, grimdark and all that jazz. No bakker shit, any other options, please.

>>16845663
I'm thinking about writing it to make some money

anyone have any tips

>>16849502
rage harder you impotent child. there is nothing you can do, stay mad and dilate.

>>16849502
you should do it and more if he is the anon who smokes weed

>>16849567
tad williams, mst, shadowmarch

>>16849496
Good.

>>16849567
>Like great worldbulding, grimdark
Yikes

>>16840836
Yeah the beginning and the end with the anime fights were sick but in between it just dragged, when Dalinar took a side quest to get bodied by Ishar I almost felt like I was reading a good author. Hope Sanderman starts making his books random unconnected set pieces unironically.

Looking forward to Stormlight 5 and Kaladin's next existential crisis before he gets Ideal 5 and kamehameha

>>16849496
Overlook didnt renew his contract

>>16842091
Count to the Eschaton

>>16843203
Crimson Skies

>>16843861
It was actually focused and not about a huge crowd of nobodies and their meticulously researched mental issues.

>>16846405
The MC gets shit done. It has cheesey harem shit, but the MC is competent. He stays true to his character from book one onwards. Many books I read the protagonist started acted different because the author wanted something to happen that couldn't if he kept the character straight. He also uses what little he has to make himself powerful. You ever read a book and saw the protag has some power that could be used another way and the author never utilizes it? Doesn't happen here. This is the most fun I had with fantasy in years. I reread the damn books at least 8 times each, I've been reading for 20 years and I never reread a book like I did Daniel Black.

If you like your protagonist working for their bread and doing a competent job of it, I recommend Daniel Black.

>>16849889
he will fail to prevent a genocide and then cry and become Honor

how soon after finishing the initial book in a series do you start the next one?

>>16849954
the constant
>HUR HUR unkillable WIND STORM

faggotry from moash makes me feel that the skyfather is going to bite it and kal is going to semi take his place somehow.

>>16849978
>reading series past the first book
>almost 2021

>>16850021
Now that we know immortals = spren I'm sure we'll see a bunch of fan favorites make it all the way to the Space Age
>god Rysn in a celestial wheelchair checking your privilege forever

>>16849567
Have you read Thomas Covenant?

>>16849892

incredibly based

>>16849540

more to the point, there is no possible finale that would be adequate to his fans and almost anything he writes will get assaulted by hordes of ravening cancel roasties

>>16849978
ive read the first two malazan books, first two stormlight archives, first three wheel of time books, first black company book, and i plan on reading the first prince of nothing book soon.
needless to say, it takes me fucking months to get to the next one

>>16849892
>if u so smart, why didn't you make the volcanoes explode?
my favorite moment

>author is a libtard
>author creates a low iq subspecies to be slaves and cannon fodder

Really makes ya think

Whats that grimdark series thats not 40k

Like Bakkr or something

>>16850341
Have you heard of this small niche series called...Game of Thrones?

>>16850425
Imma poop in your pants

>>16850244
>author does it again

>>16850436
the more he pooped, the more he poop

>>16840110
The first book is terribly written and incoherent, but it does get better.

>>16840141
It successfully made Navani and Adopin likeable. That’s about it.

>take five days to read even half of king of Elflands daughter
>read half this in a couple hours and only put it down because I have class tomorrow
This is funny as fuck and not a boring slog of empty scenes and the same three phrases endlessly repeated within fields we know.

>>16850471
>Adopin
Easy on the BP, gramps

How does one go about fucking a Highspren? can you stick your dick into a cosmic void?

>>16850575
>in the physical realm they appear as a tear or a hole
How convenient

>>16850471
Adolin was always good i have no idea why Sanderson wanted to do a love triangle subplot. Those are never good.

hey boys I've read Starship troopers and liked it a lot and was wondering where to go from there.
Terms of Enlistment or Old man war?
I've also looked at "the forever war" but the thing says "a conscript is drafted into an elite unit" and that's just stupid and also it costs twice as much as the other two on Amazon

I was also considering "the moon is a harsh mistress" because it sounds interesting and I want to read more Heinlein but Dunno I feel like I should explore more authors.
Thoughts?

>>16850471
>Adopin likeable
Well, that's nice to hear. I used to like him a lot more earlier in the books.
Now I can't help but think of him as this dumbass that "simps" for Shallan
Dalinar kinda got all the focus of my memory in the last book, stealing his son's thunder
I've only just begun the book (he hasn't had focus, yet), I'll love to see if he regains some personal agency

>>16850647
Try Hammer's Slammers, and get shit from a cheaper site than Amazon you fucking retard nigger what the hell are you doing

Why are the Tolkien races (Wizards, Dwarfs, Elves, Orks) the only fantasy races that are largely known in pop culture. I can't think of any other iconic races or aliens.

this is not the fucking picture I had when ashspren were first described. I expected half semi human half extra crispy burnt corpse. Like that picture of the iraqi soldier on the highway of death. this is a race of spikes from buffy the vampire slayer.

>>16850737
>a race of spikes from buffy the vampire slayer
kek

>>16850677
>get shit from a cheaper site than Amazon
Fact is I'm a europoor and I don't want shitty translated books so I gotta order stuff online and Amazon has no transit fee so it's the best place I know to get books in English.
If there are others please let me know

>>16850864
is this a DUNE reference?

>>16850737
Did they use the same artist for this book that they did for Oathbringer/Words of Radiance? I didn't like the art as much as Words of Radiance's.

UUUUUHHHHHHHGGGGHHHHH OOOOOOHHHH ... ahhhhhh I JUST BUILT A FAT WORLD ALL OVER THE PAGE

>>16850341
prince of nothing r scott bakker?

>>16849567
asoiaf isn't grimdark at all

>>16850996

>>16850647
forever war is pretty good and that's a terrible desription of it desu

boutg 70% of the way through neuropath and it's pretty good, not really scifi or fantasy though, more like speculative fiction with a bit of the science stuff and crimey

>>16850647
Forever War is good and it's a great companion piece to Starship Troopers, Harsh Mistress is just as didactic but for being a polyamorous lolbertarian, if you want good Heinlein read his earlier stuff.

how's it feel knowing she's taking it from the clown

>>16850698
Vampire, werewolf, ghost, witch, skeleton...

Brandon Sanderson

>>16845783
>>16845799
Is he an actively practicing mormon?

>>16843188
I'll read series but I prefer isolated stories.

>>16850996
>book has a glossary
Into the fucking trash

>>16851339
Even Dune :(

>>16842091
The last and the first men

>>16850341
There's parts of Malazan that would qualify, notably books 3 and 9 are the grimmest.

>>16851163
Those are mostly just monsters for those races to kill

>>16851163
They aren't really races, they are undead humans or mutated humans.

>>16850575
Would you even feel anything?

>>16840028
Tau Zero - Poul Anderson (1970)

I read because of a deal made on a whim, otherwise I probably wouldn't have done so. I don't have any particular interest in the author despite many others classifying more than a few of his works as classics.
This novel was based on his 1967 short story "To Outlive Eternity". I haven't read that story. Did this need to be a novel? No, I don't think so, but so go opinions.
I assume that time dilation used in this way in 1970 was still a fresh idea and worthy of standing on its alone, but unfortunately, to me at least, today time dilation in this sort of story is routine, expected even. The magical becomes the mundane over time. There's no escaping the treadmill it would seem, hedonic or otherwise. It's a hard sf story, where the idea is almost everything, though I was surprised that there was some attempt at character development and relationships. It was unexpectedly funny for me. I laughed out loud multiple times. This is probably an atypical reaction.
Four years later The Forever War would be released and go on to be much more successful in every way with a similar core idea. Forty four years later Interstellar would be released and have a similar idea. What these three also have in common is that I didn't particularly enjoy any of them. At least Tau Zero made me laugh, if nothing else.

Out Of Context Excerpt Mining (mild spoilers and sex)

> You are more a man than any I've met before
> most enchanting face
> features ordinary but the rest of her shown to high advantage by shorts and tee shirt
> come around to my cabin and exercise me
> I'd enjoy that
> full breasts and hips, slim waist, long supple limbs
> You're a wonderful lover. I've never had better.
> I want you in me again
> the curves of her breast and flank were subtler than ordinary
> hand down her side and thigh
> nude and wet
> It was never easy to be a king


Rating: 2.5/5

>>16851718
>It's a hard sf story, where the idea is almost everything, though I was surprised that there was some attempt at character development and relationships.
Poul is a character writer more than a hard SF writer, he's just as functional in space opera or fantasy (and his fantasy is terrific since he actually knows medieval history). I didn't read Tau Zero as a time dilation story as much as a lifeboat story, with all the cool bits about developing their optics so they could actually see what they were passing and how that's used to stave off depression and mutiny.
The cucking is also a Poul Anderson thing.

>>16851339
What about books like Anathem where there's a glossary but also an author's note that says the book is more fun if you don't read the glossary and try to figure out what his made up words mean on their own.

>>16851735
Your spoiler happens more than once in the story until they decide that none of it matters in the end because gene pool.

>>16851806
Or BotNS which has no glossary and expects you to figure out the made up words on your own but you can't

>>16851827
That's what makes it a Good Book and why Finnegans Wake is the Best Book.

>>16851806
>Anathem
What's the better Neal Stephenson? This one or The Diamond Age? Or maybe Cryptonomicon? I liked Snow Crash alright but he's a pretty divisive writer. I havent' Diamond Age because I'm not sure I want to revisit that world.

>>16851869
For me it's the Quicksilver-Confusion-System of the World -trilogy.

>>16851869
Anathem is probably his best book, but try to go into it without reading the back cover because it spoils the main twist that isn't revealed until 400 pages in. I think it's fantastic, although it does jerk itself off a bit over how many famous greek philosophers concepts it can introduce with different names. Reamde's also really great, aside from my two main gripes of 1) it completely switching genre halfway through and 2) taking huge liberties with how MMOs work. Cryptonomicon's alright. Zodiac's probably his most down to earth book but it hasn't aged well at all. SevenEves is pretty bad and is clearly two separate stories jammed into one and suffers for it. The Diamond Age is weird as fuck, and while it's been a while since I read it I remember thinking it was pretty bad. I do remember that the only connection it has to Snow Crash is that YT shows up near the end as an old woman in a cameo and that's about it, they could take place in totally different worlds

>>16851898
Okay, cool. Anathem's premise seems my kind of thing.

>>16840064
Holy based
I didnt think one man could be so epicly

>>16851898
Reamde was clearly written by a man who has never played a single MMO in his life. Stephenson also doesn't understand how computers work since the game-world supposedly generated the same kind of detail in the terrain that Dwarf Fortress has, with fully 3-D graphics, in an MMO.
Ain't no machine that can run that bro

>>16852086
Also the MMO apparently only has a single server despite it explicitly being the second-most popular one in the world behind WoW, and RMT is not only allowed but actively encouraged to purchase in-game items yet people apparently still play what would clearly be a PTW piece of trash, and the mods can apparently re-shape terrain in real time in-game even as people are trying to play around it.
It felt like something written by someone who had researched MMOs, but never actually played one. That's Stephenson's thing, really - he includes a bunch of extremely detailed real-world minutiae in his novels about the various concepts (MMOs in Reamde, the environment and Boston traffic in Zodiac, the moooooon and genetics in SevenEves, philosophy in Anathem [although in Anathem mistakes are more easily excused because it's a fantasy setting and not attempting to portray something real) that are just accurate enough to be convincing to the layman, but have huge flaws if you have more than a passing familiarity with the real thing. For another example, in Reamde the characters have to get from Vancouver, Canada to the US and he names all three of the real-world border crossing points correctly but gets their locations wrong.

Anyone read neuropath? what did you think of it?

Are there scans for all the old issues of the pulp magazine Weird Tales anywhere?

>>16852086
>this science fiction book exaggerates aspects of our current technological level
big if true

>>16852340
Reamde is explicitly set in 2011. It isn't set in the future. I wouldn't even say it's science fiction, just an action/thriller novel that happens to involve an MMO, and even the MMO bit gets dropped almost completely halfway through to switch to a plot ripped straight from a Tom Clancy book.

>>16852340
Next thing you're gonna tell me that we don't have the tech yet to youngify old men so they can NTR their teenage sons.

>>16852362
>Those blurbs
This is shit, right? "Thumbs up". "Full of ideas" lmao

If I just want an epic adventure that's fun to go through, is Wheel of Time what I'm looking for?

>>16852512
It's definitely 'epic' in terms of scope, but I don't know about 'fun'.

>>16852524
Then where should I go? Stormlight Archive?

>>16852506
Yeah this one is pretty shit, the actual Commonwealth books are fun though.

How do I make sure I get this cover and not the other crappy one?

>>16852574
1. Go to your local bookstore
2. Look at the cover of the book
3. If it's the one you want, buy it.

>>16852578
I mean buying online

>>16852595
In my experience the bookstore usually displays the cover of the book you're browsing

>>16852595
book depository shows the cover of the edition, same iwth amazon

>>16851827
BOTNS vocabulary isn't that hard lol

>>16852668
Yeah, made-up words like smilodon don't take you out of the story at all...

>>16852677
Not a made up word, retard.

>>16852668
I didn't say I can't I said you can't.

>>16852086
>>16852132
>>16852356

That's fine if you don't like the plot but I recall there are multiple servers and if you can't deal with modern day thrillers that also exaggerate tech then idk what to tell you.

>>16851718
I've read it as well and thought that the emphasis on relationships and sex was jarring and out of place. I liked the idea (we can't decelerate and now we'll move faster and faster and faster and...) but the cruising through the next Big Bang was even a bit too fantastical. Ah well.

>>16850771
>and Amazon has no transit fee
Until the EU tries to gutt it with antitrust lawsuits, and they start charging yall to make a profit.

>>16850737
Got damn she thicc(unless it's baggy clothes). I wonder if my pp would burn if I stick it in her.

>still poking my way through early RoW
The last scene I remember was Kaladin talking with Moash and then Renarin & Friends arrived to help. I didn't think I'd say this but I'm quite certain we're far beyond the point of "too much shit to look out for". Like every other page is going to have some subtle foreshadowing reveal I don't know

>>16852574
>buy hardback
>buy mass market paperback that's not that shitty European version split in two with inferior cover art
Simple as.

>>16852931
>I'm quite certain we're far beyond the point of "too much shit to look out for". Like every other page is going to have some subtle foreshadowing reveal I don't know
Only if you haven't read any other cosmere books. The bulk of the fiddly foreshadowing in this one is almost apparent if you know all the references.

>>16853282
>Have to buy and read a dozen of other books from different series to understand this one

>>16853289
You literally don't, it's just much more fulfilling if you have.
>buying books

>>16853282
I know. I've been following this shit for too long. I just simply don't remember every aspect of every magick system (what does THIS color with THAT color and THAT effect mean?)
>tfw could have been a beta reader bitch if I had been a bit more autistic and dedicated

>chapter 10
>Dalinar casually drops a 'God Beyond'
what the FUG

>>16852512
>fun
>WoT
No

>>16853398
Yeah that was weird, wonder where he got those theology lessons from.

>>16853574
What you don't find reading about what each person in the room is standing and wearing for two pages before getting on with the actual conversation fun?? you don't want to read about someone tugging their braids or flattening a crease on their shirt or dress every other sentence?

>>16853649
I thought it was out-of-character for him to say that, since he's basically Honor-lite and would likely gain more random knowledge about the Shards first and foremost.

>>16847580
Wasn't that Endowment or some shard thot from another planet

>“Adolin dear, swing a Herdazian in a crowded room, and you’ll hit six women you courted.” She narrowed her eyes at the newcomer. “Those aren’t real, are they? She pads, right?”
>Adolin shook his head.
>“Seriously?” Veil said. “Stormfather. To get mine that big I’d have to eat six chulls. How do they feel?”
Well, /sffg/?

>>16853729
He's said since book 2 that if Honor is dead, then he wasn't God, and there must be an actual god somewhere else in the Cosmere. Given that he hangs out with Hoid, Vasher, a couple Heralds and the Stormfather he's bound to have picked up a few things.

>>16853784
The worst thing about this interaction is that it doesn't sound natural at all, and it would've been piss easy to write it in a non-cringe way
fucking mormons

>>16853790
And that God was SHATTERED :((((((((

Redpill me on The Wizard Knight.

>>16853825
It's a great book. Buy that edition it's great

>>16853797
To be completely fair, Veil is specifically a persona based around boasting and puffing herself up.

To be even more fair, Shallan talks like that too.

>>16853825
is this a combined version?
because the series is a duology IIRC
anyways, The Knight is fantastically paced such that I wish every book flowed as easily as it does, makes reading it so comfy

>>16853866
It is both books in one, yes. You may discover this for yourself right there in the image where it says so.

>>16853866
>>16853825
>with new introduction by Literally Who

>>16850647
Get Forever War. That description isn’t even accurate.

>>16841863
Surprised there was little to no Laral in this book, I expected her to jump on Kaladin's dick at once in Urithiru to secure a good life for herself and her kids

>>16853701
People meme about this and rightly so but I feel the byway product of this is; the rest of Jordan's hackery goes somewhat unmentioned. Among others, the retarded politics, awful structure of the series as a whole and as separate books,Team Rocket as villains, asspulls all over the place and sheer inability to pen a somewhat competent climax. The top20 cringiest romances in existence. God,I wish I never read the first pages of EotW.

>>16854052
I barely got into the second book before i said fuck this.I can only read on how amazing and smart someone you're trying to bang is for so long before i check out.

what are the merits of this book?

>>16854052
Maybe she realized that John Mclaladin is property of Syl.

>>16854052
I think Sanderson is determined to make him forever alone. The chad option is him banging sylph.

>>16854117
It was written by an exceptionally young writer

>>16854119
6 books to go, he'll find a nice wholesome waifu on the way

>>16851020
>>16851127
>>16853950
Ok I guess I'll get the forever war then.
cheers Anons

>>16854131
>nice wholesome waifu
Yeah sylph

>>16853841
>>16853866
Okay, I'm going to buy this book in my next bookhaul.
I need one more book, would I enjoy Earthsea as well?

>>16854119
Sanderson watches too much anime not to have, there is no way he isn't banging sylph

>>16854117
it has better prose than litrpg and other webnovels

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YMM1NQD/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0

Anyone have it?

>>16854131
Aren’t we getting a time skip and a new cast after book 5?

>>16854117
It has better prose and character development than anything Brandon Sanderson ever wrote.

>>16854178
Just a timeskip
>book 5 ends with an unstable Oathpact formed (I assume Kaladin, Shallan, Dalinar and a couple others) carry it out
>they get broken in the span of 10-15 years
>cue part 2 with them being fish out of water in neo-Roshar
The second half of books focus on Jasnah, Taln, Ash, Renarin and Lift IIRC so the core cast will most likely remain the same, but we'll get characters like adult Gavinor and Oroden inserted into it

>>16853866
Man nothing like nutting in vintage white women.

>>16854052
Who the fuck wants Kaladin to fuck Roshone's sloppy seconds ?

I am currently writing my own fantasy stuff and wrote a creation myth poem for one character to recite.
I am having trouble with the poetic metre for now.
The writing thread is little help so would someone here be willing to read a few paragraphs to see whether the syllabic rhythm works?

>>16854199
Is this right from Sanderson's mouth? Jesus, I like that Sanderson interacts with his fans and answers their questions, but the fact we know this is absolutely insane.
He's killing the mystery of his series by explicitly laying out where he intends the story to go.

>>16854320
oh, OH MY GOD
I-I'M GONNA WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLDBUILD
HNGGGGGGGGGG
jk sounds cool but I have never cared about meter and often eschew it

>>16854343
>Is this right from Sanderson's mouth?
Yep
>He's killing the mystery of his series by explicitly laying out where he intends the story to go.
He can throw curveballs still, but it's not going to be satisfying

>>16854343
The only thing confirmed is the viewpoint characters, and I think this only refers to characters who will get a flashback sequence in the latter books, which doesn't necessarily means they'll survive until then.

>>16854295
No one. Doesn't mean I can't be shocked at the fact that Sanderson didn't put them together to show how good of a man Kaladin is

>>16854343
It's confirmed in the same way that Szeth was confirmed to be the PoV for book 3, then Eshonai was confirmed to be the PoV for book 3, then it turned out to be Dalinar.
He does have a thing about answering a lot of questions at cons and signings though.

Should I give the stormlight archieves a go? Is it good?

>>16854438
I like it but you have to be able to enjoy stupid shounen anime level plots

>>16854438
If you get past the beginning chapters, then you will probably be able to enjoy it.
It is, however, not good, in any classical sense of the word.

>>16840141
I'm a quarter into it and already skipping all descriptions.

>>16854492
>already skipping all descriptions
I'm gonna report you to /r/books
you can't just skip the Tom Bobaldy parts!

>>16845160
Very nice. A shame he died before finishing it.

kinda off topic question:
Do you guys read introductions?
Are they ever informative in fiction?
Are they just meant to "sell you" the book?

>>16854587
I read introductions, sometimes they offer very good insight on the book, especially if written by the author themselves

>>16854455
I still don't understand where that criticism come from.

>>16854587
I never read the intro, never read the small citation at the beginning of the chapter (whatever they're called in English) and skip most of the interludes.

>>16854653
It has action scenes, therefore it anime

>>16854653
Common, the radiants have power ups unlocked by saying the right sentence.

>>16854689
And that's anime, why?

>>16854742
Because where else have magic words ever been used?

>>16854742
powerups

>>16854769
That's more video game than anime.

>>16854779
guess what came first

Y didn't Kaladin just kill himself?

>>16854119
Kaladin and Syl fugging is inevitable.

>>16854828
and that's a good thing

>>16852595
yikes
imagine not prereading the book in hand to ensure you aren't buying typos

>>16854742
Super sayan.

>>16854886
So is Gandalf anime?

>>16854895
Oh common, they even have fucking levels

>>16854886
What word turns you into a Super Saiyan?

>>16854895
Imagine if Tolkien laid out in the begging of the book
Wizards has 5 stages of increasing power:
Grey
White
Rainbow
Maiar
Super Majarjin

>>16854910
Are levels anime ?

>>16854935
Absolutely
especially if you start breaking them down with strict definitions

>>16845706
Damn people hate Olver? When there's fucking every Aes Sedai, Elyane, and her dumbass brothers?

>>16854828
Why do you think Ishar is giving spren real bodies ? Someone needs to start impregnating them.

>>16854966
Ishar seems pretty based, impregnation is probably the main goal.

Thread slave get to work. We on page 10 fagget.

Is Veil a gay?

>>16854935
At this point I'm 100% sure you're trolling (at least hoping so) but let me say that having the plot revolve around being able to suddenly over come what looked like an impossible situation by powering up is very cheap and anime.

>>16854997
Good thing you proved that those concepts were anime. I mean I can go to tv tropes right now and pull literally hundreds of examples from movies, comics, books, and maybe even theaters to prove you wrong, but I suppose those are anime too, and therefore bad.

>>16854343
We don't know where exactly the story is going to go, but Brandon has absolutely said that Book 5 will be the end of "Stormlight Archive Part 1", and that 6-10 will be "Stormlight Archive Part 2", and will be very different from the first five books, so an extreme timeskip Mistborn vs. Wax/Wayne style is a very reasonable assumption to make, and an oathpact is an already established method in-universe to accomplish it without having to completely abandon the cast. It's not hard confirmed but it's looking very likely.

>>16855021
He said that the timeskip will be around 10 years IIRC, no need to make an Oathpact to pull the cast

>>16855021
>an extreme timeskip Mistborn vs. Wax/Wayne style
The timeskip will be around 10-15 years in-universe.
How do you know about THE timeskip but know nothing about it in of itself?
>tfw I have posted in these threads long enough to see cosmere become commonplace and discussed often
Not sure how to feel.

>>16855018
It's a very easy way to create suspense and resolve it. I'm sure these types of schemes appear in other medium, but they're an integral part of the shonen formula, hence "anime". I'd be surprised to see theaters play where this happens though.

>>16855018
>>16855102
If you can name a play where the protagonist is about to be defeated but says magical words about protecting his friends and then gets a super powerup that makes him glow and fly and lets him beat up the enemies with upgraded magic powers then let me know, I'll watch it.

>>16855021
It’s clear that there will just be a minor timeskip, which is why the terms with Odium were conveniently changed from "Odium fucks off for 80 gorillon years past the deaths of every character" to "Odium retreats to a couple kingdoms and totally doesn’t get around the deal in a few years".

>>16855136
>He thinks Vargo will lose the fight

>>16854587
I've stopped reading intros. I've happened upon one that basically spoiled the entire book, was mad as fuck.
Why would somebody do that?

>>16855164
What book?

>>16855169
The Tartar Steppe

>>16855159
I think Odium is going to lose because there would have been no need to so conveniently change the terms if Dalinar was always going to lose anyways. Plus, it’s still Brandon, who really doesn’t do downer endings even when things are otherwise very grim. I don’t see evil Dalinar happening.

>>16854982
You get one more.
>>16855184
>>16855184
>>16855184

>>16855181
Dalinar doesn't need to be evil, he just needs to do what Odium wants. I doubt Taravangian (or even Sanderson) is the kind to tell him to go stomp on a dozen babies for the evulz.

>>16854912
AAAAAAAAAAAAA-