/lit/ - Literature

>>16799897
Sorry, forgot this stuff:

>Recommended reading charts
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ

>Archive
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

And the previous thread is still reachable via:
>>16788117

>>16799897
I highly recommend this series:

So, this trilogy follows a nobleman, a priest, a nomad, and a magician as they attempt to save their world. You see, for some reason magic in the world has been fading, leading to the failure of key infrastructures. More importantly, all of this occurs on a group of floating islands far up in the sky, and the fear is if magic fails, the islands and everyone on them (including three countries) will fall to their deaths. The heroes must find out what is causing the failure of magic, and how to stop it.

>>16799897
Sanderfag a hag
Tolkien is garbage
CS Lewis is double garbage

My opinions are correct and yours aren't

>>16799954
>CS Lewis is double garbage
Okay but "The Dawn Treader" is an excellent kid's book.

>>16799954
What an absolute chad, Aristotle.

>>16799959
I'm sorry, did I say there are exceptions to this?

>>16799897
>all that Gaia shit in Foundation's Edge
And the series was going so well too. I just think the fact that no one contests Gaia or criticizes their ideas is what irks me the most.

>>16799983
I will argue liking Pericles as a man does not make you gay but a tasteful man.

>>16799992
Isaac really lost his way towards the end and I think he'd agree with you if you told him.

>>16799992
I ignore the sequels t b h. I enjoy the two prequels, (more than the original trilogy) and the original trilogy.

>>16800007
The second the Mule leaves the scene, the story suffers.

>>16800013
I agree! The whole Second Foundation vs First Foundation thing was a bit messy for my tastes. That said, the very end of the third book was a very great passage.

any short-ish stories about historical figures interacting with modern day people?

Give me a fantasy book that would most likely have this on their Wikipedia page if it was more popular.

>>16799954
Then what do you recommend, anon?

>>16800325
Gene Wolfe

>>16800271
Redwall. You can't tell me some bored liberal hasn't accused it of being racist because all the rats, stoats, and other vermin are evil due to their race.

>>16800271
I Saw an Albanian and Shit Myself by Hewlett Packard Lovecraft

>>16799897
Based edition, FtF is my favourite Foundation book, and my second favourite Asimov.
>>16799954
Kill yourself
>>16799992
Yeah I'm inclined to agree; I enjoyed the tone of the last two books, and the final ending was alright, but Gaia was not well executed.

I recommend Cowl by Neal Asher. It’s able to deal with time travel in a unique and entertaining way

I'm trying an experiment here.

Recommend the most based amd redpilled fantasy book that you anons know.

After that, I want to read the most cringe and bluepilled fantasy book that you anons know.

I want to see the best and worst of the genre.

>>16800226
Here, I just wrote one just for you

>Hey, Anon, - said Ghenghis Khan, - btw, I fugged ur great-great-.....-grandmother, kek
>Nooooo! You're lying! I'm an Aryan! I hate da joos and browse /pol/ all day every day! MAGA! REEEE!!! - answered the crossboarder. Tears were streaming down his face, dampening the cheeto dust.
>Ara-ara, Anon-kun! No need to get so worked up! - murmured Cleopatra, - you're still Aryan enough for me!
>She reached for his crotch, but her hand stopped in mid-air. With a slightly confused frown she studied the crossboarder, realizing that she couldn't quite locate his crotch under all the layers of fat.
>Then the crossboarder woke up and remembered that he needs to fuck off back to /a/ with his lame Fateshit/reverseisekaishit.

>>16800401
>Recommend the most based amd redpilled fantasy book that you anons know.
See >>16799947, I'm in the mood to shill it. (That said, it is very much a feminist work, so....)

>After that, I want to read the most cringe and bluepilled fantasy book that you anons know.
This one thick book I forgot the name of. It was trash, like a DND campaign written down.

>>16800424
reading /sffg/ material doesn't make you better than /a/

>all those fucking anime fights in rythme of war
What’s the fucking point. Is he paid per page or what

>>16800354
>Hewlett Packard Lovecraft
kek

>>16800523
How does a western animated fight compare in fantasy literature?

is i am legend a worth while read?

>>16800424
Calm down

Why do you niggers never make the next thread at the end of the last one?

>>16800581
I posted cunny to get someone to do it but they didn't and I got deleted

>>16800401
>Recommend the most based amd redpilled fantasy book that you anons know.
Read Bakker’s Second Apocalypse

For bluepilled, try either a Crown for Cold Silver or the Name of All Things.

>>16800581
If the thread is needed, someone will make it. If it's not needed, well, no need to make it. Like this:

1. Hmmm, let's see what's up with /sffg/
2. Oops, it's archived and no new thread up
3. Create thread

>>16799992
As a Russian Jew he could not resist the call of collectivism.

>>16800564
Yes

>>16800354
Fucking'ell

>>16800361
Are you a s/andershit, a tolkienfag or the drooling all over himself variety, aka Lewisfag?

>>16800424
Fate Stay Night is better written than Sanderson

>>16800748
That doesn't make it anywhere near good.

Best speculative nonfiction?
Most of it is boomer coffee table book trash
I was reading something called The Allure of Machinic Life which was pretty decent and not full of sensationalism.
Architecture also has a lot of that kind of writing too

>>16800813
>speculative nonfiction
I guess books like this would fit that category.

I know /sffg/ generally hates Sanderson but I'm curious what you guys think of the works by Brandon Rockerson, Brandon Stonerson, Brandon Waterson, and Srandon Banderson.

>>16800837

this sounds like a joke from SA book
is that you Brandon?

>>16800620
bakkerchads arise
when did Kellhus "become" Ajokli? was he "Ajokli" the whole duration of the Great Ordeal, or was he slowly becoming "possessed" during that time?

>>16800339
https://www.somethingawful.com/news/bargain-book-bin-3/

I dropped latro
Dude just writes so stilted. There could be cool shit happening but latro never reacts to anything, he sounds like he's reciting all this cool shit like a grocery list. People say wolfe is one of the few great prose writers in the genre but I guess this wasn't a good example to highlight that?

Rec me a book where the protag gets/wants some non-human pussy. Aliens elves or whatever the fuck
No YA trash
Bonus if it's not some metaphor for "this love is forbidden but fuck racism" but idc that much

>>16800813
Life 3.0

>>16800452
not him but it absolutely does

I am reading a machine translation and you can’t stop me

>>16801194
"Our goal was simple: to help ensure that the future of life existed and
would be as awesome as possible."
Anon wtf is this where is my peepee poopoo edgy 4chan writer?

Reading Evolution by Stephen Baxter rn. Anyone have good recommendations for evolutionary sci fi? Preferably over large time scales and involving situations where humans are debased and reduced to gibbering apes or engineered into living tools or worse. Doesn't need to be as scientifically accurate as stephen baxter either.

>>16801609
In general, what are people's favorite misanthropic sci fi books? What are the worst imaginable futures for the human race?

>>16800943
It is never clearly explained. Because Bakker is a mentally ill hack we are never going to get a continuation.

>>16801617
I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream

>>16801609
>>16801617
That one by Dougal Dixon. Pretty much raped my childhood - that the fellow who wrote my fav dinosaur book also came up with all that bleak wtf nightmare fuel.

>>16801609
That's a good book - I shill it often. Last and First Men by Olaf Stapledon is the closest analogue, but is quite a bit more "trippy". Have you reached the present day in Baxter's book yet?

>>16801710
>That one
Wow

>>16800943
Something something head on the pole behind you. Probably had been some fusion since he stepped Outside and made a deal with the literal devil

>>16801762
>>16801672
I loved the books honestly (for the most part), but that twist was just kind of a big head scratcher. Seems totally unnecessary and sidetrack-ish. It ruins the character of Kellhus for me, I find the plot much more interesting if everything he does is motivated by his own Dûnyain logic, tempered with his growing madness, rather than the cheap and distracting trope of being possessed by LITERAL SATAN hur durr

Especially because Ajokli "unpossesses" Kellhus the minute Kelmomas runs into the frame? It could have been a cool end to the series but the whole Ajokli mess just kind of ruined it for me.

>>16801609
Man After Man/All Tomorrows
Dragon's Egg has humans observing the evolution of some very neat life forms, but it's not bleak at all.

>>16801733
Trippy is cool! Just looked last and first men up, it looks really interesting especially given when it was written. it's probably the next thing i'll start.
I just got to the first chapter on humans in Evolution.

>>16801693
Yes. Classic. I've already read it, but it's definitely required reading for this subset of sci fi.

>>16801710
Wait are you talking about Man After Man? I can't imagine reading it in childhood... I found it in my early teens on /tg/ or something and was totally obsessed. Pic related has to be one of my favorite sci fi illustrations/creature ideas.

So many characters, I miss Jasnah.

>>16801806
Oh shit, I was trying to remember the title of this one. Thanks for reminding me, I'd like to go back and read that. I remember the modular tile people really strongly.

>>16801710
>>16801617
Fuck, for some reason I mixed up Man After Man with All Tomorrows. Not like MaM isn't nightmare fuel in its own right, but All Tomorrows just blows it out of the water in terms of bleakness.

Anyone read Paternus: Rise of Gods and sequels? It sounds like a nice change of pace from the usual fantasy stuff.

>>16801891
Yeah I actually confused them at first too. All Tomorrows is so interesting too because it has this really DIY character...

I just went and looked around a bit and found that this is the author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._M._Kosemen.. I think he self-published All Tomorrows on the internet back in 2006. He's done some other things since then, like 'All Yesterdays,' which is less speculative and basically a work of paleoart, and this thing called 'Snaiad' which looks interesting. https://web.archive.org/web/20200609213439/https://canopy.uc.edu/bbcswebdav/users/gibsonic/Snaiad/snduterus.html

Seems like a really interesting guy, doing stuff that moves between harder sci fi and more of an art world outlook.

>>16802007
If you haven't read it, "Expedition" by Wayne Barlowe is really great. It just got a really nice reissue, but you can find a pdf of the older edition online. It's basically a field guide of an alien world with really stunning painted scenes.

>>16802007
"A Snake person at home, enjoying a book while smoking and “listening” to vibrational
ground-music. Through the open door can be seen the chaotic tangle of the city."

>>16802023
Never read it, just seen pictures! I'll find the PDF. Ty man

>>16800715
Mostly Tolkien.

>>16801054
bump for recs

>>16801054
Have you read Tamer? It pretty much kicked off the current monster girl harem genre.

>>16801733
>>16801609
Can you recommend me some Baxter?

I've read Light of Other Days, Space, and reading Time at present.

I definitely preferred Space due to its space exploring elements

just read recital by zelazny
incredibly moving despite its short length

>>16802334
I really like Vacuum Diagrams. It's a good introduction to his Xeelee sequence, but also stands alone just as well. Haven't gotten into the manifold series but i think I have a copy of Time sitting around somewhere. Vacuum Diagrams has a lot of space exploration and interesting exobiology combined with the mind bending stuff that I am generally attracted to in writing like Baxter's.

>>16802024
Pretty comfy desu, I'd hang out with snekbro and talk shit on the Qu.

>>16801803
He wasn’t possessed against his will. Everything kellhus does, he does out of his own self interest. And I think he reverts, because he can’t perceive kelmomas in his Ajokoli form, because he doesn’t have a soul. The same reason the gods can’t see the sranc.

>>16802406
Ok thanks. I assumed I had to start with Raft for the Xeelee sequence. I read 20 pages of Raft and got bored and quit. May try again some day.

>>16802406
Seconding Vacuum Diagrams. Also has some wild x-dimensional landscape shit in one of the later stories, and some interesting post-humanity cultures like time-dilated slavery.
>>16802462
For me, it was Vacuum -> Timelike Infinity -> Ring

>>16802478
>>16802462
Should I ready Timelike Inifinity before Ring?

>>16802482
Yes.

>>16802495
Awesome thanks

>>16801733
>>16801806
>>16801820
I really want a copy of Man After Man but neither Abebooks nor Amazon has it (for under several hundred pounds). Does anyone know where you could get a physical copy?

>>16802605
I think it's just been out of print for too long to be reasonably available. :(

>>16802637
Damn

>>16802334
I really liked the Long Earth series. If is the best mashup possible of Baxter's hard science and Pratchett's characters.

>>16802275
eh I dont want actual smut though

In Consider Phlebas, is Yalson a catgirl?

>>16803075
fuck what a boring book.

>>16802953
First book is, uh, tamer than later on. I don't like smut but it's a fun, ridiculous read and a landmark of the new pulp era.

>>16803075
>In Consider Phlebas, is Yalson a catgirl?

>>16803075
Oh man I miss reading that for the first time. It felt like one of those books that really opened me up to the larger possibilities of scifi as a genre.

You know what, I should really re-read it. Oh god and Player of Games. That was a fantastic book.

I'm halfway through A Storm of Wings from the Viriconium series and getting filtered, hard.
The cool elegant and crazy prose from Pastel City is now a lot messier full of awkward synonyms and abstract bullshit. Guy's overdone it. The crisp images are not as sharp because it takes quite some effort to shape them, and it's still almost impossible to root them to a place, to some meaning in relation to the plot. I read a 10 page sequence of a guy hiding in the corridors of a palace that made very little sense from start to finish.
The story so far is that something, some weird tech, is coming from the moon and everyone is experiencing schizo episodes, something about the world being a simulation, and I've struggled through 90 pages and still it makes very little sense to me. Hopefully it will pick up.
>"... his cloak was the crude meal-coloured garment of the hired bravo, tailored for swagger, its hem died with sardonic vulgarity to the exact shade of dried blood."
It's a nice description, reminiscent of everything I liked in the Dying Earth, but what the fuck is a "meal" color? Brown? Gray, like a nondescript porridge? This is one example of many, with vague bullshit adjectives like "strange" and "mysterious". It's a mess.

which one should I go for first?
Gene Wolfe's New Sun or Le Guin's Earthsea Cycle?

>>16803531
Le Guin. Wolfe is "heavier" and takes more focus and dedication. Both are good.

>>16803539
I don't know much about Wolfe other than some shit about New Sun being kinda meta and requiring a separate dictionary or something for his made up language

>>16803531
do you want to sometimes feel like you're dreaming while you're reading? if so go for new sun. it has some of the most amazing scenes/imagery from any novel. but - it's very disjointed, the characters are all bizarre, and nothing much makes sense on the first read (unless you're an extremely careful and diligent reader)

Leakchad here

Navani/Raboniel fabrial autism chapters were kino, Adolin and Maya were wholesome, schizo shallan fucking losing it, the rest was kinda eh but a nice tweeest at the end I guess. Could do with a whole load less 5d chess cosmereshit crossover, feels like cheap advertising to sell his other books.

>>16803567
don't worry about the language stuff in the book of the new sun. actually those strange words he uses are never made up, they are all real but archaic and obscure - to the extent that some words he uses don't appear in most dictionaries, and that's why some guy wrote the "lexicon urthus" as a sort of glossary to easily look stuff up. BUT it's not actually necessary at all

as a reader, the wolfe provides the context for you to know pretty much what every obscure word means. so it's not a big deal at all. rather, the bigger deal is trying to understand what is going on in the story

and it will help if you're good at noticing patterns. for example, some characters have latin based names. some have greek-based. some are named after catholic saints. it's all fucking deliberate, there are no coincidences, wolfe is doing everything for a reason

>>16803505
>but what the fuck is a "meal" color? Brown? Gray, like a nondescript porridge?
i would say porridge yes. some kind of beige / grey

What are some books about genetically enhanced soldiers?

>>16803653
https://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-Raymond-Benson/dp/0345503287

>>16803567
There is no made-up language, actually. It's all Greek/Latin roots jumbled into "new" words. Like the other anon said, you'll get what they mean through context or if you know your roots well.

Little further in the book now, and the author has figured out how to contrive a situation where the 12 year old girl has to sleep skin to skin to the main character. Of course they find an ice planet, and he almost freezes. So of course she has to warm him with her body. It's completely logical and not pedophilic at all.

Incidentally, at the beginning of the book, I kind of got the idea that the main character was attracted to the android. I figured it was the beginning of a love story between man and machine. But when they introduced the girl, I kind of ignored all that. But maybe I wasn't completely wrong to think that after all. I don't know. The MC's relationship with the android might just be friendly. Or perhaps more than friendly. Really hard to tell.

>>16803681
This sounds fucking awful lol

>>16803853
For legitimate pedophiles, is Endymion kino?

>>16801803
I think the idea was that Ajokli had more or less figured out what was going on in aggregate, but he still couldn't "see" the No-God, and when Kellhus got smoked by the skin spies, Ajokli had no idea what had actually happened except that somehow the K-Dog is no longer there, and he's pissed because he's somehow been ruse-cruised and he is the official canonical god of ruse--nobody is allowed to fuck with his shit.

>>16804131
So far? Nah. like 80% of the story is adventure. Perils and politics. Only like 20% of it is focused on the kid. But when it does focus on her, there is always some sexual undertones. Which the author tries to avoid making sexual. But he's not trying hard enough.
You can't really introduce the idea of a sexualized child, and then expect the reader to avoid thinking about it for the duration of the book. No, he keeps making things weird.

>>16802373
I think my favorite is Go Starless in the Night

>Sanderson puts up Rhythm of War audiobook on youtube
>Listen to first chapter, remember that I have like 30 audible credits, go buy it
>It's preorder only until the 17th
>Oh well at least he put up the book on youtube
>It's only the first 20 chapters

Brandon. Brandon. This kind of shit, man, you can't fucking do this.

>>16804505
Wait, what happened lol?

RoW spoilers newsflash - it sucks, i repeat, is cuks even by BS standards.

like what the fuck, Part 1 was the only good part and everything BS did with it (intense, with good pacing, all character interacting with each other and doing important stuff) was an opposite in Part 2-5.

Like okay, Navani/Raboniel stuff was more or less fascinating though way too long, but Kaladin crawling around Urithiru for 800 pages, casually hiding, sometimes fighting and lying half-dead without any legit purpose just to be talk no jutsued by dead brother in the very end so he could swear boring 4th Oath was peak Sandershit.

and the same comes to other plot lines, which were mostly pointless, way too long and full o water.

RoW got Wheel of Timed'ed hard as fuck. Like book 6-7-8 books level hard.

>>16804538
He has the audiobook. I have paid for the audiobook. But for some reason I am not allowed to LISTEN to the fucking audiobook for another two hours even though half of the audiobook was posted on youtube for free.

It makes no sense, did they just think nobody would actually LISTEN to the first 15 hours of the fucking thing in between them releasing it and making the full version available?

>>16804541

forgot to mention - set up for Book 5 was extremely shitty and basically killed most of excitement for it.

seriously, Dalinar made bet with Odium? duel in 10 days? ishar is retard? kaladin to heal his mind? this shit is the least exciting thing i could ever expect from the last book of series.

>being so new you can't spoiler tag

>>16804563
Wait, didn't the last one end with them making a bet with Bad Guy whose name literally means Bad Guy? Did they do that again?

>>16804572
>caring about Sandershit at all

All right fellow Sanderchads, how do we feel about Rhythm of Female Empowerment, Racial Equality, Gender Equity, and Mental Health Awareness?

I for one will not hesitate to recommend this book to everyone with a room temperature IQ.

>being a newfag in the year 2020
guess this is what happens when your mom scrapes you out of a used condom

>>16804541
>>16804563
Pretty much my feelings desu. Was pretty pissed that Jasnah cucked kaladin, swearing the 4th ideal before him offscreen before the book even began and there was almost no mention about it other than a throwaway line and a few pages of her beating up some singers wearing her plate, wtf man.

>>16804652
Jasnah has been my consistently least favorite character in the series so far, probably because she's clearly supposed to be a mental juggernaut but really just comes off as being an unbelievable bitch. It comes to a point where I'm legitimately sympathizing with Amaram in their scenes together.

>There were actually people expecting the new Sanderson anchor to be good
What is wrong with you people? How stupid and gullible do you have to be to fall for the same marketing gimmicks over and over?

>>16804618
Raboniel/Navani chapters felt good in terms of how two female characters would interact. Still them going around fabrial shit for 600+ pages felt retarded as fuck.

Jasnah is basic "smart" bitch. Actually just a bitch.

Venli and Leshwi were fucking boring.

Overall it felt like BS reached to hard for female characters. There are more of them than active male characters. I wouldnt care, but outside Navani/Raboniel all of them are boring or generic.

>>16804672
>>16804756
See i actually like Jasnah, because she is a bitch to everyone except Renarin. And schizoShallan needs to have someone who calls her out on the shit she pulls. Jasnah is the ultimate /lit/waifudomme. Rather than giggling and cooing over your shitty book choices, she'll sneer at how pathetic your taste is. BS just can't write women for shit, so if she isn't quirky/zany or dark/mysterious then she must be a frigid bitch.

>>16800226
olympus? loose fit tho

I just finished Piranesi, and I quite liked it. I think the best descriptor is that it is charming. It’s a really lovely book full of imagery that vividly stands out in your mind, probably due to a mixture of it being striking but also because the setting is relatively limited. But that’s kind of the most I can say for it. Which isn’t nothing, it’s still better than probably all but a couple of books I read this year, but it’s not a genuinely great book for me.

I hate to compare author’s works to each other rather than evaluating them on their own, but I think the comparison to Strange and Norrell helps to highlight what’s missing in Piranesi. Strange and Norrell is totally cohesive. I understand fully why each scene is there, I understand how they build into the broader themes and character development, and it is all a single monopotentiary bloc. Piranesi’s plot just doesn’t belong. The setting, the characters, the themes are all singing a tune together, and the plot doesn’t seem to know the rhythm. And I like the plot, I thought it was fairly gripping and that the style she used to dole it out in dribs and drabs was masterfully done, but it didn’t belong and so the book ends up being a collection of things I liked instead of a singly focused powerhouse.

Anyway, good book, everyone in here should definitely check it out, you’ll find it at your local Barnes & Noble’s fiction section, because it’s too good for them to shelve it with the Fantasy

>>16804831
This is a fair assessment. Shallan going whacko has been kind of funny because I just have this dark premonition that she's going to get Adolin killed somehow, like maybe she actually DID kill the Sadeaswoman and the other two schizo personalities didn't realize it.

There's a lot of potential for fuckery here and honestly it's so much easier to consume than Bakker that it's a bit of a nice pallet cleanser.

>>16805001
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>>16804756
>>16804672
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>>16804505
Sanderfags need their own containment general. Nobody else in this thread wants to hear you sucking his mormon cock. He’s a hack, a shit writer, pure and simple, and his works have zero literary or intellectual value. Start your own damn thread.

>>16805051
Why do we need our own containment thread when we apparently live in your head rent free?

Very spacious in here, thanks for having us.

>>16799897
What do you guys think of The Long Price Quartet by Daniel Abraham? I'm about halfway into the second book and I'm a big fan of the worldbuilding and unique approach to magic. The characters also feel very real for the most part.

>>16805051
This IS the containment thread for genre fiction shlock, queer.

>>16805051
>stop talking about fantasy in my fantasy thread

>>16805051
Just remember that even when there isn't a new Sanderson book out these people are recommending books in these threads. This is why our charts are always garbage.

>>16805051
ogey

I shouldn't be, but I'm perpetually taken aback by the absolute dearth of taste of the average consoomer, even one who thinks himself edgy enough to post on 4chan.

>>16805238
>*tips fedora*

>>16799897
>pic
Is that cyberpunk?

Which is the best Dune book, in your opinion?

Why was the previous thread deleted?

How's Too Ride The Lightning? Is it a worthwhile buy?

Can you faggots calm down with the pointless small questions? Jesus Christ.
>>16805486
It's from the Foundation series by Asimov, so, no, not cyberpunk.
>>16805515
It wasn't?

>>16805636
>Can you faggots calm down with the pointless small questions?
what is your fucking problem dude?

On a scale of 1 to 10, how better are used book stores for finding interesting fantasy books than Barnes and Noble?

You guys can break the scale if you want.

>>16805675
9
the only advantage barnes has is that a lot of thrift stores operate online but I could go to barnes and possibly buy it that day
plus barnes is more likely to have contemporary pop culture schlock shelved instead of the classics

>>16805675
8 is a good guess.

There have been a few places I've stumbled upon with excellent selection and good prices but I always leave those places feeling like I just gave money to a drug front because the place was just too good.

B&N's selection has gotten worse year after year, I suspect to cater to retards that read literally anything that is put in front of them and therefore keep their business afloat.

>>16805636
you're a bitter

>>16802151
Fuck you

Anyone got a digital download for Drowntide by Sydney Van Scyoc, find find shit except for physical copies which i dont use and have to pay an arm and a leg for shipping

any good mermaid lore shit or underwater creature fantasy?

any mayan stuff would be cool too

>>16805615
The Metallica album? It's pretty dope, can't figure how you never listened to it by this point

>>16805675
You'll find a lot of generally older stuff, old licensed stuff (Star Trek novels, for instance), and obscure shit. Also depends heavily on the bookstore itself, where one I've been to has been really sparse for SFF while two others in the same city are treasure troves. Don't expect to find what you need in a used book store, but expect to have some fun just going through the shelves and maybe finding something unexpected.

>complaining about sandershit over like, a dozen posts

Lmao have fun over the next few weeks once non leakfags actually have read the book :^)

>She was sopping wet when he entered her. “Damn you,” she said. “Damn you damn you damn you.” He sucked her nipples till she cried out half in pain and half in pleasure. Her cunt became the world.

>>16805941
Hey man, I'll take Sanderson over Gurm any day.

>>16805843
Book of the Short Sun

>>16805843
To Kill a Kingdom

>>16803531
gene wolfe. how are you posting here having not read that yet?

>>16806002
I'm more a GRRM man myself

>>16805998
thanks gonna check it out

>>16805992
100% my dude, although they were not even remotely as bad before the TV show gained popularity.

Reading Dawnshart I remember how much I hate Sanderson's use of italics to intonate dialogue. It's such a cheap way to forego prose to bring his point across

>It's the Sandersamefag episode again

I second the notion for a Sanderson containment- I mean, general.
Just for curiosity sake really.
Let's see how long it lasts and how many posters it has.
I doubt it'd be more than 3 or 4 hours before it 404s with it's 3 posters.

>>16806063
If we made an anti sanderfag thread, it would have exactly 1 (one) poster which would be (you) samefagging sperg schizo. Get a life and stop seething about people talking about fantasy books on the fantasy books general.

>>16806063
Why would we exile sandershits though, they are our friends.

>>16806004
All this Sanderson drama here when the real problem is this fucker.

>>16806085
I'm glad that this is literally the first time I've posted in /sffg/ in a week.
Tells me that other people have been saying to you that you're a problem; yet you do nothing about it.

Sasuga Sanderfag, you've earned your daily ovaltine.

Question to the Sanderson fans ITT: How much other SFF do you read? Legitimately curious.

>>16806099
Tolkien, Gurm, Correia, Hobb, Rothfuss and Maas are much worse than Brandon yet I don't see people riling against them like they do against Sanderson.

>>16806099
Seethe cope and rent free. Better steer clear of these threads for at least two weeks if you are so triggered by fantasy book discussion in the general where it belongs? Maybe take the opportunity to re read some of your favourite pedo authors and jack your tiny dick to it?

>>16806091
nah he's alright

>>16806105
I'd love to hear how Tolkien is worse than Sanderson.

>>16806111
>he

Come on man, at least be subtle about it

>>16806103
Plenty, almost certainly more than most posters ITT. Sorry for the crime of enjoying a fantasy book.

>>16806118
I'm just curious. Frankly I hadn't been reading much until recently if you're worried about me busting out a high horse.

>>16806115
He's not per se, he's just as blandly mediocre, only he's viewed as some grand literary force when he's an old autistic coot building worlds in way too many words and not being able to get to the fucking point if getting to the point saved his life. I'm pretty certain a good chunk of the Allied deaths at Somme were people rushing German fire just to escape this fuck talking their ears off.

Is Sanderson really that good compared to his modern fantasy competitors?

I am genuinely curious how he got so popular. He doesn't have any of the reactionary spriit seen in works from Novalis to Tolkien.

>>16806130
Sanderson is objectively worse than his contemporaries. He's big because he's palatable to brainlets and because of mormon neporism. Even the trashier stuff that's regularly discussed in these threads like Cradle is better than what Sanderson puts out.

>>16806132
He's not worse than post ASOIAF Gurm, Pat "Meltddown" Rothfuss, NK "Black/pol" Jemisin" or fucking Rowling.

>>16806130
He's anime: the book

it's got some nice moral ideals and dragon ball z moments with depressed character. It's "deep" and decent enough world building but 2-3 insufferable characters that are "im so witty and smart" aka just an annoying bitch who makes shitty quips and banter 24/7

he doesnt know how to write women but w/e dudes a mormon so he probably hasnt really been around many. I've seen some of his interviews, seems really chill and nice enough guy. if you like anime fight scenes, that's basically your guy

>>16806130
His stuff is fairly accessible to normies and that makes some elements of this general seethe. If you don't write absurdly excessive, barely comprehensible prose then you are a hack according to them.

>>16806159
This is a massive brainlet take.

>>16806107
>Seethe cope and rent free
>Meanwhile you're aggressively responding to each anti-Sanderson post

>Maybe take the opportunity to re read some of your favourite pedo authors and jack your tiny dick to it?
What is it with Sandersonfags and having pedos on the brain? I'm noticing a theme here, and it doesn't look good.

>>16806130
He got popular the same way Stephanie Meyer did.
Through their church.
This is not a joke. Look at the trajectories of their careers from how they started to where they are now (and Meyer's fall, thank fuck).
But we won't see Cosmere films, probably something like video games (kek on that canned Mistborn game) or animu.
The only downside is that it will be more widely accepted now considering it's cool to be into really basic nerdy things.

>>16806152
Watch out anon, he might say that that's a surface level complaint, or equates to "You just don't like him."
They like that line.

>>16806162
>The only downside is that it will be more widely accepted now considering it's cool to be into really basic nerdy things

I for one think it's high time sffg will go through a massive schism in which the /elite/ purge the brainlets, like that time we had litrpg fags and they fucked off to be the fa/tg/uys they always wanted to be.

>>16806162
I actually enjoyed the book for what it is, just fun brain junk and pretty images with some nice ideas or encouragement that people can take home but it''s not anything more than that, to me at least. What I think has happened is what happened with the JK rowling fandom, for the fans its become this weird moral guidebook and super dEeP story that sticks to your soul and changes your whole mind and perspective

>>16806161
Ok fag

>>16806162
>Meanwhile you're aggressively responding to each anti-Sanderson post

I have all of three responses in this thread, judging by your typing style you have at least a dozen or so seethe posts.

>He only got popular through his church

Now THIS is the biggest copepost I have ever seen.

>>16806182
>Now THIS is the biggest copepost I have ever seen

This. LotR was written be a devout Catholic, where are all the modern Catholic authors at that would naturally be promoted through their own nepotism?

For every anti Sanderson post, you faggots could be recommending books or commenting on the ones you've read. You could be exercising your impulse control and ignoring the shit you don't like. But we all know it's easier to shitpost and getting (You)'s this way, so it won't matter if you drama seeking retards split this into two generals.

>>16800226
Past Master

>>16806162
>He got popular the same way Stephanie Meyer did. Through their church.

Lmao, this is total horseshit. However let's say I believe this, please post your God tier taste, none of which is allowed to include books written by anyone religious.

>>16800226
Mozart in Mirrorshades by Bruce Sterling and Lewis Shiner

>>16801005
Midwit

>>16805051

wdym? this thread IS sanderfag containment general

did you expect to just discuss your shit Wolfe novels here?

>>16806227
If Gene Wolfe is shit to you, what do you read?

>>16803600
In Wolfe, all humans have Saint names. All monsters have monster names.

>>16806236
In BoTNS. I don't remember Saint Silk, Chenille, Horn or Marrow.

>>16806128
>get to le point!!!!
Pure reddit

>>16806250
The minute someone starts screaming REDDIT REDDIT you know he's a tourist. Your visa expired, go beg for karma somewhere else.

>>16806259
Reddit detected, go back.

>>16806259
Reddit tranny

>>16804553
it was literally one audiobook bay the moment the ebook hit mobilism.

>>16806259
Good evenning fellow r/Cosmere user!

>>16806259
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/b/

>>16806265
>>16806279
>>16806287
You can go back lads, Sanderson is popular on reddit, here not so much

>>16806293
>here not so much

Yeah not so popular with you and your two pedo tranny mates who samefag the threads to death.

While we're fighting, I'm looking for more recent authors that write stuff comparable to the likes of C.S. Lewis, George MacDonald, Lord Dunsany, Keats, and Tolkein - Basically classic fantasy as it gets.

I've checked out people like Nicholas Kosar and I'm pleased so far. Is there anyone else I should keep a look out for?

(Yes, you can recommend that author you found in a used bookstore.)

>>16805989
>"Jesus." There was still an uncomfortable pressure round his balls, long red nails touching his scrotum, a little too sharply to be described as tickling. She wouldn't. Would she? Her smart, expensive grey-blue Crusto suit was folded neatly over a chair by the dresser. It had been taken off with military regimentation as she prepared for sex.
She probably would. Jesus.
>"Of course I'll take you."
>Thumb and forefinger nipped one ball impishly.

>>16806293
Sandy Tranny

>>16806301
No one really writes like that anymore, there's times Bakker goes for that style of prose, and you can find classic weirdness in VanderMeer and Mieville.

I'd suggest you comb the 20s and 30s for wrtiers that you missed, Lyn Carter's Ballantine work should encompass most of every name, big or small, from that time.

Recc me the best edition of Le Morte d'Arthur

>>16806315
Is Jack Vances lyonesse stuff good

>>16806315
>No one really writes like that anymore

Damn. Who's responsible for the change in writing?

>>16806334
Just get one retard

>>16806342
Almost everything Vance did is good, this is pretty good too. If you like Vance, you'll probably love Clark Ashton Smith, some anon here got a huge ass Omnibus of his works, beautiful shit.

>>16806351
Change in times, Jesus Christ, 80 years passed, do you expect the medium to stagnate forever? People wrote that way at one point because they didn't before that, what the fuck man?

>>16806360
Almost all fantasy is bad

>>16806351
less educated writers

>>16799897
how magical can magical realism be before it's just urban fantasy?

where should I start with dune?

>>16806637
Start with the Greeks

>>16806637
The start? Also, don't read beyond Chapterhouse.

>>16806287
SOYY !!!

Whichever anon recommended between two fires, thanks it was really good. Any other books out there with this feel?

>>16805783
what the fuck?

what went so wrong?

Can you faggots calm down with the pointless small questions? Jesus Christ.

>>16806767
Nothing?
Brainlets hate it because Maud'dib's decision is not spelled out for them.

>>16806770
why should we?

>>16805636
stop smoking weed FAGGOT

I'd rather have a 5-post-per-day molasses nightmare than bump limit threads every other day 90% full of literal newfag children spamming "no u" against everyone else. It's all so tiring. No board is different than /v/ anymore.

>>16806767
After the first book, Herbert was forced by the publisher to write the other 5 books
So the rest of the books are ghost books, especially that one

>>16806779
>Brainlets hate it because Maud'dib's decision is not spelled out for them.
I haven't finished the first book yet but having all of Paul's actions spelled out is easily one of the worst parts of the narrative.

>>16807073
You are joking, right?
Herbert's interpretation of prescience is knowing literally e v e r y t h i n g that's going to happen to you. His actions are shown the way they are because he might have seen it thousands upon thousands of times in his sleep, while he was awake or fucking some sweet space-Arabian ass.

>>16807111
I didn't say it was without reason but it is offputting when you've read better writers.

Someone link me to Sandershit's new novel

>>16806637

>>16806293
I barely browse this general but Sanderson gets mentioned almost every time. He's plenty popular here.

>>16807161
Look at the previous thread.

>buy the last wish on kindle years ago
>decide to reread it today
>the cover is now the netflix witcher promo image
Yikes.

>>16807177
Thanks, anon.

>>16806232

good books

>>16807282
As expected

>>16807181
The most annoying thing is when a book gets an adaptation the cover art is gonna be a still from that film. Can you even imagine Asimov books with Will Smith on the cover?

>>16806767
With you? Well, your taste for starters, this is the best book in the series.

>>16807420
I am legend...

I'm about to finish Legend of the Condor Heroes. Does anyone have any good wuxia suggestions?

>>16807639
Same here. I would love a story with cool eastern dragons.

>start rhythm of war
>special thanks to these people who consulted with me about mental illnesses and sexuality
>oh boy...

>>16807649
Bruh, I think we straight up have to go find some Chinese people and ask them.

No Fucks for E William Brown

Fucks will resume in December.

>>16807668
Don't worry, it only gets worse. Frequently he is just beating you over the head with the messages.

If I write a fanfic of Julius Caesar but with magic and an order of religious knights, will that elevate me to the level of Sandersama?

>>16807796
No, it will just make you someone ripping of Codex Alera.

>>16807803
never heard of her

>>16807817
Someone bet Jim Butcher he couldn't write a book about Roman Legions with Pokemon, he wrote six. That isn't even a joke.

Does anyone have an epub for Rhythm of War by Brandon Sanderson? Thank you

>>16807825
And they're breddy gud, too. Better than a lot of the Dresden files

>>16807896
I like them generally, but I think the Vord are the weakest part of the series. They're a total cliche and I got bored of them quick. Still, a decent read.

>>16807907
I mean, the whole thing is a cliche, that's basically the point. Can you take a bunch of concepts that only hacks write about and still make them fun. So you've got the Lost Roman Legion, Pokemon, the Zerg, Werewolves, and Elf Shamans all duking it out, and it kinda works.

Brandon Sanderson

>>16807917
Yeah but Hive Mind Aliens are so BORING. At least you can put a new spin on those other concept, but there's no room to do that with generic hive mind aliens. I think part of it was just that the Canids and Marat were so much more interesting as antagonists, both had their own sophisticated culture that had actual interplay with the human characters.

>>16807942
The Marat were definitely my favorite, solely because I really liked their magic and the way it interacted with soulbonding to another cognizent race. I was hoping we'd see some more of that, with one binding to a Canid or the yeti people up north. I'm sure someone else has done that kind of magic as a focal point for a full series, but I haven't seen it.

>>16807561
Oh my God, i completely blocked that film and only recalled the Chuck Heston one for a while. Why would you do this to me anon?

>>16807942
Herbert built an entire career out of ripping off a single element of Asimov's work, people succeed on even thinner strands.

>>16806227
But what if i have enjoyed books by both authors?

>>16807840
It's already been posted in thread.

>>16808183
which one of those is WOlfe?

Is Discworld for kids?

>>16808318
The picture was not illustrative of the contents of the post.

>>16808431
okay, now give an example of the other party

>>16808466

>>16807668
Yeah man, that's pretty much the whole book, welcome to 2020.

Tranny Trannyson

>>16808652
Rent free

So I hope this is the right place to ask this, I was going to ask on /tg/ but its not tabletop RPG related. I the story I'm currently writing, all robots/droids/mechanical men are grouped into five 'classes' based on how complex and independent they are (the story is about robots and sentience and self-awareness and shit like that, so focusing on how robots are defined is important). For example,
>A Class 1 robot would be like one of those Roomba vacuum cleaners
>A Class 2 robot would be like a remote controlled drone
>A Class 3 robot would be like those Lego mindstorm robots you see at conventions
>A Class 4 robot would be like a virtual assistant, like Siri or Cortana (the one that comes pre-installed with Windows)
>A Class 5 would be a standard artificial intelligence, like HAL 9000 or Neuromancer
While I was writing I found that the distinction between the different classes wasn't very clear in some places, so I typed up this page and was hoping if I could get some feedback from some other anons to see if there was anything I missed or anything that doesn't quite make sense. Am I going too far into LitRPG territory?

https://docdro.id/AEIjDS2

well shit this is pretty based so far

I can't wait for my trans protagonist in TSA phase 2

how am I supposed to discuss /sffg/ when I love reading slowly and take forever to finish novels?

>>16809026
Wagner is very good, yes.

>>16809111
Talk about what you like.
What are you currently reading? What do you think about it?
You don't have to have finished a book to talk about it. Write out a short 'in-progress' review, and hope other share your sentiments.

>>16809139
I did that a few threads ago and got accused of shitposting :'(

>>16809145
Welcome to the internet.

>>16809145
Ignore the redditors anon, you're welcome here as long as your taste is within acceptable standards.

>>16807164
Why don't I remember Heretics, and barely recall Chapterhouse?

>>16809111
take the audiobook pill.

WE RISE

>>16808803
OK, right off the bat, I'm confused. How is a remote controlled robot more complex than a robot capable of performing tasks independently? That's like saying a bike with training wheels is more advanced than a bike without training wheels.

Also, the three laws of robotics is pretty cheesy way to define the ethics of robotics. It's kind of hacky and outdated.

>>16809320
I've done audiobooks before and while sped up my reading a bit, I still paced myself so I could really enjoy the novel

>>16806353
omnibus of clark ashton smith's works? the only print works ive seen were the penguin one and the return of the sorcerer. link?

I've a bit of a problem with my preference towards lighter and more digestible scif-fi and fantasy fare (think Jim Butcher, Rachel Aaron, John Ringo) - I tend to run into straight up trash and recommendations of litRPG and YA crap. Not to mention swimming in deluge of self-published stuff (not that some of it can't be entertaining by my admittedly not high standards). Any tips on how to pick out the next thing to read when my tastes run just above the proverbial gutter? It's not like I'm averse to reading more serious stuff, but I'm doing it to unwind from a stressful job, not to give my brain a workout.

>>16809139
>Write out a short 'in-progress' review
Stop giving shite advice, please. We already have one brainlet clogging the thread with his dumb blogposts about entry-level crap everyone and their mom read 10 years ago.

was the first book of series good?
I remember it being entertaining and the ending being a not-too-fairytale-happy affair

>>16809503
>We already have one brainlet clogging the thread with his dumb blogposts about entry-level crap everyone and their mom read 10 years ago.
point it out to me, please~

>>16809513
The guy who's reading Hyperion and its shitty sequels. Currently whining about creepy pedo innuendoes, yet still reading on for some reason.

>>16809553
oh shut the fuck up, that dude is fine you fucking misanthrope

>>16809340
>How is a remote controlled robot more complex than a robot capable of performing tasks independently?
I'm assuming your referring to why a 'Class One' robot is lower than a 'Class Two' robot. My reasoning is that, a 'Class One' (for example, a Roomba) can't accept any outside output or any instructions at all. You flip it on, it does its one job until you turn it off, other than that you don't really have any direct control over what it does. A remote-controlled robot you control directly, it takes instructions directly from you and performs them instantly and exactly how you dictate (like driving around a little RC truck or a drone). It is a little fuzzy, I will admit. Would it make more sense if they were flipped around?

>Also, the three laws of robotics is pretty cheesy way to define the ethics of robotics.
Yeah, I know. I added them in there just so there was a bit more definition between the classes, but they don't crop up much in my actual story. Why do you think they're hacky and outdated?

Thanks for taking the time to read through it, I appreciate it

>>16809553
>Hyperion
>creepy pedo innuendoes

Guess I know what I am reading next.

>>16809583
>I'm assuming your referring to why a 'Class One' robot is lower than a 'Class Two' robot.
Yeah.
I kind of see what you mean, with inputs, if you phrase it in a way of "communication" rather than taking instruction. Your "Class 2" is a robot with higher communicable function. Whoever, when you think in terms of adaptability, Class 2 is actually lower than Class 1. A roomba has to actually be aware of its surroundings and make decisions based on what it senses. While a remote controlled zone can't make those choices. It can only move in a way that the human dictates. Thus, it's not independently adaptable.

I would say that your Class 1 definition is technically more free than the Class 2. And if you're going with a story about self-awareness, then you should probably order it the other way around.

Now that I think about it, all of your classes are framed from the perspective of how well they interact with humans. But the irony here, is that the better they can communicate with humans, the better they can think on their own. What it you rephrased all the classes without humans involved, what might the order look like? Probably the same order, except 1 and 2 would swap places.

>>16809570
Okey, sweaty, next book (or, rather, series) I'm reading I'm dropping itt all my lolsoquirky reactions to every single cringy development, character, quote, etc. I encounter. I'll try to pick something really long and with a lot of cringe.

>>16809661
fucking do it, sempai

>>16809656
>>16809583
oh yeah and I forgot your question
>Why do you think they're hacky and outdated?
It's just that we're finding out how complex AIs actually are. And despite your best efforts to program them to avoid harming humans, they will still have the ability to harm humans. Because they simply cannot account for all the randomness in the world. Put a robot in a moral dilemma, and what can it choose? https://www.moralmachine.net/

Hell, some machines might not even recognize the human they're hurting if they're incapable of recognizing the human with its censors.

There are a billion ways for robots to harm humans. And the idea that they can be stopped from harming us, is frankly ridiculously contrived. It's like when people can't recognize Clark Kent from Superman. It's kind of fun for the story, but it can't be taken seriously.

>>16809553
Oh hey, you guys are talking about me.
How am I "clogging the thread"? I made one (1) post about it this thread. Plus a reply, because someone asked about the book, so he was clearly interested in knowing more about it.

Now let's look at the previous threads: >>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

I missed the last thread entirely. ENTIRELY

The thread before that, I tried to get a Hyperion discussion going, but the anon backed out. No Endymion pedo talk there. In fact, I stated a few reasons why I actually like the book. Which explains why I'm continuing to read it, despite some parts I dislike.(Who drops a whole book because a couple bad parts?)

I missed the thread before that.

And then I actually made the thread with the sexy robot girl OP. Why? Because I wanted to talk about Endymion. And if you notice, I very slyly wait until about halfway into the thread to post what I really wanted to post. >>/lit/thread/16744981#p16747181
5 hours after the threads creation, and after the thread has already been populated with other posts.

But yeah, I'm "clogging the thread"? Nah, you're just being oddly spiteful for some reason.

>>16809809
O B S E S S E D

>>16801005
>I dropped latro
Subwit

>>16808781
Ok tranny

>>16806142
>this level of cope

>>16809661
>I'll try to pick something really long and with a lot of cringe.
Please don't. We already have enough retards doing this with Stormlight.

>>16809809
>Who drops a whole book because a couple bad parts?
Umm, someone who has standards and values their finite time?

>>16804589
Last book they agreed to a contest, eventually. This book they set the terms formally.

>>16808431
kek, reads like neuromancer

Just finished RoW. On the whole it was alright, probably liked it more than the third book. A good deal of the revelations of this book were already known if you read Sanderson's QA with his fan, doesn't really matter though. Kinda feel like Kaladin's plotline took a while to get its footing but I enjoyed him essentially going Die Hard 1 in Urithiru. The scientific experiments of Navani were fairly dull after a while, but Naboniel was alright. Less Shallan in this book which was alright, and I liked how Pattern, Dabbid and Rlain got to do stuff. Dalinar and Szeth were a lot less involved in the events, but I guess Dalinar's role at the end made it up a bit and Szeth's plotline and flashback will happens in book 5. Very unexpected ending too. Taragavian and Teft were the best parts of the book, I think.

Maya best girl, Adolin married the wrong one.

If you reply to your detractors you lose.

>>16809661
Jokes on you, we enjoy that.

>>16809585
My Dark Vanessa?

>>16809814
F O R E V E R

>>16810414
Kaladin was so boring in this book. Not just because he was EXTRA depressed because of the suppression field, but because he had the same scenes over and over again. How many magic crystals do we need to watch him fight the Pursuer for?

Kelsier + VargOdium friendship when.

>>16810911
>another book of kaladin depressed

is he sanderson self insert or something?

>reading a series before it's finished
You deserve what you get

>>16811062
>reading series
if you must, read the first book
but don't ever touch any sequels, no matter how much they call you
you've had your taste now gtfo

Just finished rythm of war.

When the fuck did Jasnah swear the fourth ideal? This was supposed to be a huge thing and she beat kaladin to it while fucking offscreen?

Most of it was such a huge drag, kaladins sections in particular just went on and on. It had a few high points but mostly pretty average and the setup for the next and last book is absolutely horrendous. Getting repeatedly hit over the head with women empowerment, racial equality and mental health awareness was extremely tiresome, I thought he mostly steered clear of this shit.

>>16811114
>...hero was alive and in the hands of the enemy
>DROPPED

>>16811062
>waiting literal decades for it to finish
How about no.

>>16811114
Never read more than one book by the same author.

>>16811134
You might be wait for literal ever, negro. Or the series might change into something completely other than what was promised in the early volumes. The best policy is that it doesn't exist until it's complete or the author died.

>>16811150
>Or the series might change into something completely other than what was promised in the early volumes.

Sandersoon needs the juicy trans people/minorities/twitter stans money, anon.

>>16811185
It could be. He allowed his podcast to be corrupted by the Woken, why not his series premiere series.

Is The Neverending Story actually any good? Obviously I knew about the movie as a kid, but I heard the book is actually pretty different.

>>16811114
>>16811141
Never read more than one book

>>16811185
How rich is he anyway?

>>16811232
Last time I check he was like 4 million dollars i think?

>>16810414
Does he bring her back?

>>16811266
No

Chateau Cascade is good.

>>16811289
Motherfucker

>>16811301
He makes a lot of progress though.

>>16811333
That is one of the few things I actually care about in this series. I also want Renarin to get his shit together. I also want Jansah to kill a whole bunch of people in front of Kaladin and then punch Shallan in the tit.

>>16810414

Sanderson does Kaladin the best unironically when thats not an action scenes. He is good at making things happening through confidence and pushing people to get what he want.

Thats why Part 2 Kaladin was the best one, when he dealt with ardent shit and started mental health rehabilition courses.

Thats why Brandon deciding "Oh, fuck it, now im gonna scrap this and put Kaladin into Lone Survivor mode for the rest 800 pages" was the most retarded move he could have pull.

There was zero character development for Kaladin for 800 pages and then there was some dream trip and Kaladin is fine now.

Same with Navani. She was fine and interesting to follow until Brandon went into autistic plot of mixing the types of Light for 600 fucking pages.

Like what the fuck? This shit should have been trimmed down.

>>16808431
>1953
>mentions Google
What the fuck???

>>16811390
He was from the future all along

>>16811209
I haven't read that but I love Momo

>>16811209
I tried reading it a long time ago. It's long and dark. He is a German author...

>>16811209
I've read it a few times throughout the years and always enjoyed it. It's different, much like The Phantom Tollbooth.

>>16811232
>>16811252
Google says around 6 million in 2020

>>16811386
The worst part is, I believe the ridiculously lengthy parts actually were trimmed down. Large parts of the book felt to me like a patchwork of editing.

>>16806342
Absolutely.

I enjoyed Moorcock and Robert E Howard a lot.
When other authors write fantasy, it's like they're genuinely going out of their way to avoid making something good or fun. In other fantasy, when the hero is carrying out a good plan to crush his enemies, its always spoiled, there always has to be some twist or upset that ruins his plan, force him to go through some hard ship, and then defeat the enemy through some roundabout way. It becomes incredibly monotonous and predictable. Instead if conan is smacking some monster's shit in, you don't know whether he's going to lop its head off and that's that, or if the monster is suddenly going to slay his friend and escape or a sorcerer is going to sneak up behind him and clock him with a magical blackjack.
It's ridiculous that I need to read pulp to get something that's not predictable and repetitive.

Beyond the Black River was my favorite story, and I think I enjoyed the stories about Aquilonia better than the eastern one and I wish there were more stories about when Conan was a king since Robert Howard's writing of monarchy is a lot of fun.

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I am subwit and even I can enjoy Latro.
What was the deal with how the amnesia gimmick changed near the end? It felt as if Latro was selectively remembering things, if he had his notes to read, why was he only remembering parts of them? Why was it consistently the same parts? Is the implication that he was denied some of his notes?

When I was a child, there was this place...

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