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>>16796494
Im good.

>>16796568
>>16796531
Ay that’s chill.

>>16796494
Sorry. Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.

>>16796494

>>16796572
So many Catholics are converting to Orthodox now.

>>16796494
same thing, Jesus was an alchemist

>>16796494
why not both?

>>16796494
Is this a good translation? Also Hermeticism was undoubtedly influenced by Christianity.

>>16796494
>Reject Christianity
Cringe
>embrace Hermeticism
Based
Coincidencia oppositorum

>>16796926
>Also Hermeticism was undoubtedly influenced by Christianity.

>>16796494
you can do both

>>16796926
It's the best translation I know of. It contains both the Corpus Hermeticum and Asclepius, which are the two core texts of Hermeticism.

>>16796494
ok how do i deal with loneliness and horniness

>>16797276
Have sex

I genuinely tried to get into Christianity but eastern religions just make more sense to me.

Embrace both my friend

>>16797387
Eastern religions are dumbed down for western consumers. You're not getting the real teachings but a market friendly version.

>>16797156
Thanks bunches anon.

>>16798435
What are you talking about? Books are books, the translation doesn't "dumb down" anything except from the cultural implications of the original language.

>>16798463
"Books are books, the translation doesn't "dumb down" anything"
Have you ever read a book? Are you familiar with the concept that the specific language something is formulated in can add something to its meaning?

>>16796587
Orthodoxy. So hot right now. Orthodoxy.

>>16798501
Yes, that's precisely what I pointed out in my earlier post, I don't get why you're being so abrasive. There are cultural barriers that will make the full extent of the religion impossible to grasp for foreigners, but that doesn't matter since the essence of the religion, the ideas most central to its theology and philosophy, can be conveyed through translations very well.

>>16798463
Language is for more complex than that anon, there's a reason certain languages were more receptive to and developed philosophy far more than others, as with poetry, and language is very important to that; And among even more things.

"As with poetry, neither can thought be translated."

>>16798501
This is why you read commentaries and engage with people from other cultures.

>>16796494
No. Christianity is the one true religion and I will not accept temptation by the devil to convert to a false one.

>>16798518
Language is complex, but important ideas can be conveyed and understood regardless of the culture from which they originate.
You could also argue that there is no need for a foreigner to seek to grasp the complex cultural implications we're talking about, since they will be irrelevant to his personal experience and condition, and that he should instead understand the ideas being presented to him through the lens of his own cultural biases.

>>16798533
Absolutely and unironically based, bro.

>>16798535
But those different expressions are of a positive difference in philosophical content (can be anyhow, obviously a lot is still translatable), and doesn't mean it wont have relevance to any individual because it comes from something foreign to him. But sometimes, yes, you're right that it's a more personal difference, but it's still interesting to see the more subjective differences in everyday life.

>>16798583
>are of a positive difference in philosophical content
What I'm saying is that the core ideas, the more fundamental aspects of the philosophy, will be clear and intelligible to anyone who bothers to read about them, regardless of which culture he comes from.
Obviously trying to grasp those cultural biases is interesting, but I think that it's in no way required in order to understand a foreign religion.
I'm not sure why Jung claimed there was some kind of cultural determinism regarding religions, I think that's fairly reductionist.

>>16796587
That's pretty much the same thing. Same beliefs, older doctrine from the Schism era, same sacraments. I'm Catholic and when I visited Greece, I celebrated mass in an Eastern Orthodox Church.

Anyone who is Greek Ortho is my bro

>>16798533
come on buddy, Hermeticism is cool

>>16796494

Never. Why would I abandon the Ultimate Creed for some ancient backwater branch of the Gnosticism heresy?

>>16798666

Meh. Go take it somewhere else.

>>16796587
The Orthodox Church will be catholic again once I become the new Pope. Screencap this. I will be the next Pope.

>>16798687

>>16798674
The ultimate creed can be found in any religion.

>>16798696
I'm more of a doomer who has returned to the Holy Church in order to put his shit together. I don't care about politics, only about God. I will be the next Pope, mark my words.

>>16798705

Catholicism for life, bruh. I'm never leaving it.

>>16798666
ok Satan

>>16798753
I didn't ask you to or imply it was a wrong choice. I'm just saying what you call the "ultimate creed" is not an exclusive property of Catholicism.

>>16798687
>>16798727
Well i hope the lifestyle suits you

>>16798666
Lol 666

How does hermeticism differ from Christianity? They believe in a God but not in Jesus?

>>16798907

>>16796587
>Orthodox
Literally a pagan religion

When will you people learn that you can't revive dead religions? It always turns into an internet larp at best and a costumed meeting at worst.

>>16799031

>>16799119
>all these pagan symbols
lel

>>16799098
Hermeticism doesn't agree with the perennial view of divine initiatory lineage being a hard necessity, it says you can self-initiate.

>>16799136
I don't care, you're still a modern larper.

>>16799136
>divine initiatory lineage being a hard necessity
How is this a perennial view

>>16799156
He means the view of perennialists I think, such as Guenon, who argue that initiation into a proper order, monastery etc is vital

>>16799164
>initiation into a proper order, monastery etc is vital
Why?

>>16799195
Avoid getting lost in the amount info around, learn from people who have been in your position but are far more experienced, direct contact learning is better etc. Dont agree with them in this regard, especially many of these orders have been compromised

>>16799204
Oh they meant from a practical standpoint, not a purely spiritual one.

>>16799211
Partially, but also that these are genuine traditions in their view, and others might not be, so go with a 'sure thing' so to speak

>>16799152
I'm not a Hermeticist I'm just pointing out that this argument doesn't work with them.

>>16799195
Perennialists believe that you can only grasp esoteric knowledge if you are directly tied to a sacred thread of knowledge through an initiation that has a proper lineage sourced in divine revelation. They often try to apply this perspective to everything, even if philosophies throughout history disagreed with them. Like the Neoplatonists resurrected extinct mysteries and the Platonic academy, and the ancient Egyptian priests were known to bring back dead cults.

>>16799225
This, There is no reason you cant learn and understand esoteric knowledge without a lineage, provided you are careful and methodical

>>16799215
>>16799225
Yeah that doesn't sound very compelling, I'd be inclined to agree with >>16799241, what matters is diligence and seriousness in study, which may or may not involve a degree of exposure to the orders themselves, but doesn't have to.
Even if it was a spiritual requirement (allegedly), any religion that lists initiation into its official order as a prerequisite for salvation is being silly.

Esoteric shit is fun and cool but if you guys seriously practice it you are completely insane

>>16799264
>what matters is diligence and seriousness in study, which may or may not involve a degree of exposure to the orders themselves, but doesn't have to
Very much this, especially so in traditions where the lineages are either deficient or even extinct

>>16799297
>traditions where the lineages are either deficient or even extinct
So most if not all of them?

>>16799310
In this day and age, yes probably

>>16798805
>It's real

>>16796494
>english translation
>dropped

>>16799152
>>16799225
The larping comes from groups like the OTO and AMORC who pretend they do have ancient lineage when they clearly don't.

>>16798533
>>16798666

>>16797106
Based Ficcino poster

Hermeticism and Christianity are parallel but not mutually exclusive, and much like Platonic/Aristotelian philosophies are compatible in multiple ways. Hermeticism even contains references to the physical descent and incarnation of the Logos/Living Word. The two require balance, discretion, and serious study on the part of one attempting synthesis
Pic related

>>16796494
false. reject abrahamism ftfy

>>16798805
>schoolgirl

>>16798907
Hermeticism comes from a different, but analogical, philosophical line than Christianity. Pre-Greek influenced Christianity and post-Ptolmaic Egyptian Hermeticism arose at around the same time, and existed/were discussed/practiced at around the time of Chrisianity undergoing Hellenization to balance out it's otherwise Semetic roots (the establishment of the church, adoption of things like a view of the solid afterlife or immortal soul relative to Aristotle's philosophies, things like that) while the Hermetic religious communities in Egypt and Greece/the Levant as a whole dwindled. It would remain in a kind've 'stasis' while Christianity rose to prominence until the early Renaissance, where clergymen such as Marsilio Ficino and Giodarno Bruno, though this led to some accusations of heresy and whatnot, and scholars like Elias Ashmole, Jacob Boehme, and others caused a revival of Hermeticism/Alchemy across central and southern Europe.
In terms of actual theology, the Hermetic view of God is like the Neo-Platonistic one; a removed, omniscent/omnipresent entity that interacts with the world, a physically grounded entity bound to physical laws, through a descended series of sub-entities (such working through the Demiurge, which in turn works through the Logos) after this divine being created it. There's also a similar thing on how humanity was originally created in soul form to aid God in the ministering and creation of reality, but fell in love with physical existence and as such literally 'fell' into the world to live as physical beings as a result.
There are alot of similarities between Hermeticism and Christianity in terms of theology. I would go so far to say that Hermeticism believes in Jesus as the incarnated Word sent to give an example and raise man from his suffering, just a little differently.

>>16798805
>press adores the pomo pope
>on board with the entire neoliberal agenda
>turns out he's just a boomer coomer

>>16798696

>>16796587
Solovyov saw further than any Orthodox of the 20th century.

>>16796587
The Orthodox Church is the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church baka

>>16796587
People who convert from Catholicism to Orthodoxy are memes, they're both the same thing

>>16797387
I'm not a practicing religious person, but my understanding of Christianity is mish mashed with Eastern metaphysics. Most Christians would probably consider me a heretic

>>16798805
>faith palm

>>16802235
>>16801424
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>>16799359
He obv doesn't use his account, he has a social media manager

>>16798666
>implying

>>16802318
Obviously, but it's amusing like the Ted Cruz MILF and Alex Jones shemale porn debacles.

>>16799023
Is this proto-Buddhism or I'm a retard?

>>16802454
Overtly it's from the Kybalion, which isn't really a source and is more New Agey stuff walking around in Hermetic clothes. However, in it's defense, everything listed as a 'principle' is really just distilled symbolic axioms from Hermeticism's canon. Everything it states is just the gist, but not as simple.
If you really wanted to, you could say that there is a binary on the Western and Eastern outlooks on asceticism and metaphysics and all that on an active/passive dynamic, but I think there's going to be some similarities between mystical schools of thought no matter what.

>all of these christcucks on /lit/ too
Truly, is there anywhere on the planet besides japland that has not been terminally infected with abrahamic filth?

>>16796926
>Also Hermeticism was undoubtedly influenced by Christianity.
lmao literally no one disputes this

I just fucked myself with a huge horse dildo. It made me cum from penetration for the first time and I cam soooooo hard. I feel really bad about this. Why do I want giant horse dick rape? How do I fix my whorish vagina so I can get a normal bf with a normal penis?

>>16804631
Can I have some pictures? Did you squirt?

>>16803937
Yeah, that Christian-hating shithole that ur living in, wherever the hell that is.

There's quite the number of Christians living in Japan too, dumbass.

>>16804635
>Did you squirt?
I smarted all over the wall when I coomed and got poop on my horse dildo. The dildo shot out my hooter so fast it broke through the window and landed on the sidewalk below. Later that day My friend Ann stopped by for lunch. When we left out the front door there on the ground was my shit covered horse dildo. I said "Oh my god! That's disgusting!" Ann made a terrified face before kicking it into the gutter. We both stated screaming. I hate myself so much for cooming on that monstrosity. I wonder if when Ann get really horny what she plows up her cunthole?

>>16805119
>smarted
sharted