/lit/ - Literature

120 Days of Sodom. Nastiest shit (pun unintended) I've ever read.

>>16751918
HOGG

Mishima is pretty heckin icky

>>16751918
My diary, desu.

>>16751929
>Mishima is pretty heckin icky

>>16751918
Albert Jarry- Superman

>>16751918
ur mom's diaries

>>16751918
Naked Lunch

>>16751966
Now that Drumpf is out of office, we can have a Naked Brunch.

>>16751924
gonna be honest its boring by modern day standards. It's not very descriptive, a little too matter-of-fact, and is almost just statements of what was done.

American Psycho. I couldn’t read a certain passage involving a rat.

>>16751926
I am reading right it now, I will never stop laughing at the fact that as per the intro, Samuel Delany wrote this because he gets turned on by the idea of being a little blonde boy who follows around a rape gang as their sperm receptacle gimp. What a sick puppy. It's actually vaguely entertaining so far though.

>>16752289
It was just an early draft, he didn't have time to work on it properly. That of course didn't stop people from turning it into a meme.

>>16751918
Sabbath's theater

The Caterpillar - Edogawa Rampo

>>16752313
Apparently, once you've reached a certain level of fame as a writer, you can just sit back and type out all your gross/degenerate/taboo/pedo/etc fapfantasies with one hand and instead of you being put on an FBI watchlist and ostracized people will gobble this shit up and call it high art. That's what the example of Heinlein, Anthony and Delaney has taught me. On one hand, it seems cringey and unfair, on the other hand, seeing as they've made it through the 'achieving fame' part, I guess they've sort of earned it.

>>16751918
Piers Anthony, Refugee. It's sort of like Blood Meridian or the Road in space, but a) written from the perspective of the victims b) badly written. The plot is basically the MCs family and a party of poor refugees it joins getting robbed, raped, killed, rinse and repeat, until only the MC and his sister remain. In the end even his sister is sort of kidnapped by a reverse-trap pirate captain, but at least this time it's likely going to be consensual, because she's hinted to be something of a tomboy herself. It has some unintentionally funny quotes and some drawn out autistic fragments about technology, weapons, etc. Seems like a lot of wasted potential and could be decent if it was more polished, but as it is still worth skimming for a couple of keks.

>>16752309
I read that a in March and whenever I eat brie I think of that passage. My gf is wondering why I insist on having a nibble of brie and a j&b before we get intimate, but she is enjoying my new found love of giving head

>>16752414
Delany is truly a next level degenerate more so than the others, he is like a higher IQ version of furfags who dig up dirty diapers from the dumpster. Hogg is one long shitpost about how much he enjoys sucking dick and drinking pee and child rape (being the child for sure at least) and putting all manner of disgusting, dirty and turd coated objects into his mouth, holy lmao. It is actually quite a compelling read because somehow he manages to make the mindsets of such people coherent, without Hogg the thoughts of these absolute madmen would have remained an enigma to me. I feel like I've learned something about human nature.

>>16752414
Delaney's esteem actually did diminish for awhile, and it's only in the last 10 years that he's become popular again. Also Heinlein is tame shit, what kind of pussy thinks Stranger in a Strangeland is a prime example of degeneracy?

>>16752942
Eh, a guy who is strongly hinted to be messiah engages in polyamory and cucking, then has his followers literally cannibalize him. I ain't no hardcore christfag, and still it rubbed me the wrong way. Also, Sailing into the Sunset has father/daughter and mother/son incest and even more polyamory and group sex.

>>16751918
All sexual is depraved.

>>16752357
I'm reading that now, pretty fucked up story for 1929.

>>16753028
Only normies get upset about polyamory

>>16752357
this

>>16751918
Story of the Eye - Bataille

>>16751924
I picked up a copy of Juliette a few days ago. Does anybody know if that's worth reading?

>>16751924
The film is better.

>>16753176
Sade gets repetitive and boring pretty fast imo. I lost interest in the middle of Justine. His erotica is pretty ikeaish and all the random philosophical tirades are like the infamous 'play with her arse' scene in GoT, only less funny.

>>16753143
Seconded. Just re-read it and it was more grotesque than I remembered. I occasionally felt my dick move, though.

>>16753191
F-film? Surly they couldn’t have that to film. R-right bro’s?

all literature about sex is icky. why do we humans degrade that which should be protected?

>>16753539
>all sex is degrading
Don't you have a school to shoot up, my Murrican friendo?

>>16752942
>>16753028
Stranger in a Strange land is boomer's first night at the swinger's club.
It's sad how hard Heinie tried at being cool and edgy when he was just a pathetic old man who never fought in the war

>>16752289
Yeah I’m sure you find most Classics “boring”

>>16753506
love to flaunt my literary erudition by using pop culture to shape my criticism. shut the fuck retard, Sade is a legend

>>16753713
>Edmund in King Lear is just, like, a lamer Malfoy, and his “philosophical tirades” are just like Thanos, only less epic

>>16753074
Polyamory is tranny-tier though. I think the disgust that someone here has with it is different than the disgust a normie would.

>>16753062
Where can you get it? B.oks?

>>16753776
http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=59E0EC2BA62F75A8E4C8720E402AFADD

it's in here.

>>16753766
>I think the disgust that someone here has with it is different than the disgust a normie would.
A prude is a prude, you're not fooling anyone, normie

i'll compile a little list, please reply with your thoughts if you've read any of these, if wonder if others are as much into degen prose as i am. reddit spacing for convenience

Dennis Cooper for gay shit. basically this >>16752313 incessantly.
Also, poppy brite, but s/he is a pretty bland faghag, like Palahniuk turned gay.

jap stuff: Ryu Murakami. pretty solid. grotesque in that jappy oriental sense, pulpy there, some soul here.

classic shit: Bataille. no intro needed, i had a raging hard-on from the eye scene reading it on public transport

Peter Sotos. factual, crude, raw, feels like he's jerking you off with a dry calloused hand. juicy shit.

plotless rotten gore, no logic or natration: James Havoc.
similar feel, but more pleasant, Pierre Gyotat. at times it's almost sensual, almost sorry. enjoyed Tomb a lot.

Cows by Stokkoe. disgusting and thrilling, a true niche classic, quite little-known. 10/10 from me.

maybe i'll recall more sometime later. if there are ruanons itt, try Masodov and Yelizarov, most exquisite stuff, latter reminds me of Sorokin a lot, but with a different tone - not sure if available in english.
irl im a hermit volcel that goes to church and reads magic realism stories before bed i'll attach a chart, hope it's the revised version. i contributed in those threads

>>16753713
>>16753739
Have sex

>>16753813
>>16753766
By making messiah and his followers practice polyamory he basically proclaims it as the norm. But it isn't, it's not for everyone, and having polyamory pushed on a monogamous human is just as oppressive as 'prudes' persecuting and 'slut-shaming' the polyamorous snowflakes. Also, Heinlein dissing homosexuality while extolling cucking and incest is pretty illogical, hypocritical, dishonest and hilarious.

>>16753891
Are you Russia?

>>16753990
yes

>>16754002
Why don't you try to emigrate? Perhaps obsessively searching out and reading degen prose is just cope, an attempt to dull your sensibilities through constant exposure to all this excessive edge and forget about the Mordor around you?

>>16754029
those are a small fraction of lit i read (~100 books a year), i'm rarely in the mood for degen things but i've accumulated some over the years.

>>16753891
Brother, where can I find/ read Tomb?

>>16753958
Yeah Heinlein's homophobia and his goofy racism in Stranger (remember that sleazy greaseball middle eastern character?) doesn't really jive with the love cult thing and at heart he was always a conservative curmudgeon. He wrote Stranger as an exercise in "breaking every norm." It was a dare given to him in the late 40s I believe, and the book went unpublished until the 60s. Also I'm not sure that there are truly monogamous humans, the people who are most vocal about this shit are always the first to cheat.

>>16754090
Search the archive. Someone uploaded an epub for that Guyotat book

>>16754090
libgen, b-ok dot cc
it's not that rare in print either

>>16753713
Sorry, I really didn't want to trigger you by mentioning stuff that you hate because it's popular, but thing is, I couldn't find anything more 'literary' to compare Sade's awkward pacing and 'sexposition' to, just because his prose is so shitty there is really nothing as shitty as it in the whole Western canon. Even he realized it. See, he wanted to be a legitimate writer, and was pretty butthurt that only his porn novels brought him money and notoriety. His attempts at 'serious' literature failed because he was a hack. Must've been pretty depressing. Perhaps it was one of the reasons for the decline of his mental health.

bump
Palahniuk, perhaps too midwit, loved him as a teen though. "Haunted" just slaps when you're 14

Crash - J G Ballard

>>16753891
Give me your comfy magic realism please, hermit man.

>>16751918
My diary desu

>>16752309
Came to post this, but the scene I thought of involved a drill. Had to put the book down for a moment, it's the only time I'd ever had such a visceral reaction to literature.

>>16754129
>Sorry, I really didn't want to trigger you by mentioning stuff that you hate because it's popular
Yeah you really "triggered" me, that's a word that can be applied to anyone who thinks you're retarded. You're a real provocateur, that's why I'm so triggered! And I have no doubt that you genuinely think the only reason to disdain pop culture is because it's popular. You completely lack the ability to differentiate between Classics and hurr durr GoT hurr durr
>I couldn't find anything more 'literary' to compare Sade's awkward pacing and 'sexposition' to, just because his prose is so shitty
No, it's because you're a total pseud who's largely unfamiliar with literature and like everyone else of your ilk, you think harshly but vacuously criticizing the Greats impresses as informed. So you pose and say "Sade is total shit" and feel superior.
>his prose is so shitty there is really nothing as shitty as it in the whole Western canon. Even he realized it. See, he wanted to be a legitimate writer, and was pretty butthurt that only his porn novels brought him money and notoriety. His attempts at 'serious' literature failed because he was a hack. Must've been pretty depressing. Perhaps it was one of the reasons for the decline of his mental health.
Literally none of this is true, and not simply untrue in the way that some popular misconceptions aren't true, but untrue in the way that it's totally out of your ass and yours alone. "See, he wanted" lmao that tone, amazing. Must be easier to play make believe than to actually know anything. You're as stupid as you are smug. You're a brainlet nonentity, "must be pretty depressing. Perhaps it's one of the reasons for your posturing." You have no idea what makes Sade Sade or why he's been so widely read and debated and, mainly, revered. You have no idea what makes a Great and what causes a hack, and why Sade is the former case and no one respectable has ever accused him of being the latter. You don't know how he influenced other great novelists like Flaubert and great poets and great philosophers. You have no place in a discussion of literature at all. So shut your mouth and keep to your actual interests, such as are actually within your mental capacity, you perfect argument for eugenics.

>>16751918
Taipei

>>16751924
Why did Napoleon read it?

>>16756767
Borges and Pavic.. pavic resembles him a lot, but he's byzantine and slavic

>>16751918
Bataille - Story of the Eye

>>16757306
>So you pose and say "Sade is total shit" and feel superior.
you have to admit Sade's writing is very mediocre. his style is awkwardly overdressed at times, boringly bare at others, so to say, and the degeneracy despite it's world-infamous scandalousness and grotesque is pretty plain, repetetive. Characters are one-dimensioned and poorly developed.

As a social figure, a rebellious revolutionary, de Sade is very prominent and important. but as a writer he's shite.
t. have a whole de sade shelf in my room

>>16752039
Underrated

>>16757306
>writes an angry, verbose wall of text in response to two short posts
>claims he's not triggered
lmao, seethe more

>>16751929
got any examples / recs?

This book is hilarious, and filled with necro, incest and rape. /lit/ never mentions it but 80% would love it for McNaughton's language play alone

>>16753891
Behead all Satans was an attempt by a /lit/ poster to shill his way to fame and shouldn't be on this list

>>16752539
You got me wanting to read that crap now

>>16751918
Wow a good /lit/ thread. Don't know when I last saw one of these.

>>16753635
Not him and I don't even share his opinion, but do you have no brain? He obviously meant that you degrade the holy communion of bodies and souls by writing about it.

>>16751918
Books of Blood

>>16753891
know of any good horror with similar themes in them?

>>16759061
hellbound heart by the same author was gud