/lit/ - Literature

>>16722488
The Discourses by Epictetus

>>16722488
The real black pill is that life is easy and you are making it difficult because you are weak and lazy.

>>16722503
is this the boomer pill?

>>16722514
Boomers are the logical conclusion of stoicsim. They just want to grill for Pete’s sake.

>>16722503
Because not being weak and lazy is tremendously hard when the rewards are scant and sketchy.

>>16722514
I'm 27. It all rests on your expectations. Life is simple. Stop searching for meaning and happiness in transient externals. It's simple but not easy. Once you accept this ancient truth you will see, but I don't expect you to to. Socrates could only convince 1 in 1000 people about the truth of life.

>>16722522
theres a difference between stoicism and nihilism

>>16722488

I have said on /lit/ that I once read Whatever over a few days in the windowless, musicless break room where I work as a grocery clerk. I am past thirty and I have never had sex with a woman. I want you to imagine my experience reading the thing, OP.

>>16722514
It’s the Aurelius pill.

>>16722652

Dont read if u are depressed

The Tartar Steppe

Having sex with women is not hard.

>>16722488
It isn't blackpilling to hear about other men not being able to get laid or procreate. Other men should have less sex and creat less offspring so that I can have more of both.

>>16722661
Aurelius' stoicism was predicated on living with nature, which was reasonable at his time. Today there is nothing "natural" about the world. Simply incompatible

>>16722866
Live in the woods.

>>16722855
>It isn't blackpilling to hear about other men not being able to get laid or procreate
It is if you’re ugly like me

>>16722853
>Having sex with women is not hard.
Maybe not if you’re chad

>>16722880
Even ugly and weird people can get laid, marry, and produce ugly and weird kids. You’ve just fucked up your social skills by being inside too long.

>>16722877
Nature as in nature of life and the times in which you live. Living in the woods is the Tedpill. Leaving all of society and technology behind isn’t stoic at all

>>16722901
Not true at all. 30% of men are incels.

>>16722853
that's a fucking LIE

>>16722938
What do you define as an incel?

>>16722940
Just go for fat girls. The tough part isn’t having sex with one - it’s that you have too much pride or too high standards.

>>16722959
>What do you define as an incel?
any one who disagrees with me

>>16722959
>isn’t having sex with one
It is if you can't get it up for one

>>16722552
if the rewards are supposedly so awful then I never want to hear you complain about the consequences of your weakness and laziness again

>>16722959
30% of men age 18-25 have not had sex in the last year. But I argue it’s even higher. Around 80% of men are incels.

incel is an state not a choice.

incel= not being able to get sex based on mutual physical attraction

if thats true for you you are an incel

escortcel = incel

ugly guy who gets pitysex from to time to time = incel

beta provider in a sexless marriage = incel


this is why lms theory is also wrong. its not looks, money and status what seperates an incel from a slayer..its looks and status alone. money has no impact on mutual attraction. women are attracted to the money, not the person. a ugly poor incel who wakes up one day and wins the lottery is still incel even though he is now able to pay hookers/attract golddiggers/women who are ready to "settle down"..

>>16722488
He tells you how it is. No bullshit

>>16722938
>30% of men are incels

No they aren’t, because they’re not trying hard enough. Being an incel is essentially impossible as long as you actually possess a penis.

>>16723000
I shouldn't have to try. Pussy should come to me.

>>16722997
Lol whatever lie helps you sleep at night

>>16722959
>too high standards.
That’s a lie

Juggernaut law is the theory that the very most unattractive women receive a surprisingly large amount of attention from men, sometimes more attention than women of average attractiveness.

Basically the idea is that the more flaws a woman has, the more a man believes she is undiserable to everyone else. This belief creates a situation where many men are actively pursuing the girl, thinking she's an easy catch. Which is why it's still very difficult for average men to even date 2/10s or 3/10s.

The name of the law derives from the idea that a women's SMV is 'unstoppable' like a Juggernaut.

Juggernaut law can be explained by Bateman's principle, female hypergamy, women's lower libido and greater choosiness causing an oversupply of sexually frustrated males.

>>16723011

conspiracy aginst the human race, don't read it.

>>16723011
>Which is why it's still very difficult for average men to even date 2/10s or 3/10s.

Please post only on the imageboards of whatever weird ass planet you inhabit.

>>16722488
Tbh for me it was Stoner. Extremely depressing read imo, even moreso than stuff like Cioran, Houellebecq, Celine, Dazai. There's something even comforting to me about explicitly nihilistic literature. Stoner was very discomforting.

>>16723015
he is right. ugly chicks paradoxically often have the highest standards.

>>16723014
Changed my life

I can agree with the pseudo-chad in the thread when he says it's mostly weakness and laziness. But that is only regarding the first interaction with a female. Most of us are scared of approaching a female, and with we did we would have some success - even if 1 out of 100. The re problem comes afterwards. Suppose we convince a girl to go out with us. Then what? Most of us here are too autistic and will inevitably drop the spaghetti when the girl realizes we don't watch netflix show or have an instagram account. The problem is not the attitude, but something inherent wrong with our kind. We are mentally broken and deviant from the rest. You can say that that is the fault of industrial revolution for giving weak people the resources to procreate and breed more weak people, and that those should, and would, not procreate anyway in a more natural scenario. But then what? How does one cope with being a failure and knowing that one will never experience a natural life with natural feelings?

>>16723075
Die.

>>16722880
desu this is whitepilling, women tend to go for people with areté and not only the retarded and ugly negro which gives them weed in exchange for blowjobs

>>16723075
live

>>16723083
Then why wouldn't you kill normalfags for causing your suffering before dying?

>>16723005
Personally Atomised helps me sleep at night.

>>16722488
>the law of the market

>>16723232
can you disclose who the author is? I can't find it

>>16723252
'Whatever' is Houellebecq

>>16722488
Camp of the saints

I just pay a hooker once or twice a month to kiss/hug/hold me for an hour or two. Numbs the pain and isn't even illegal since I don't have sex with her.

>>16723312
>kissing hooker

are incels the ultimate pleb filter? I've yet to see a well though out argument against lookism/blackpill/incel philosophy and this thread bears further testimony to the fact that most people are not knowledgeable enough to debate incel intellectuals. also they make normies seethe hard, pretty based if you ask me. where do I start with the incels?

>>16723337
Start with Elliot Rodgers and Houllebecq. After that you should be able to identify incels in day to day to life and just try to have conversations about women with them.

>>16723337
Your sarcasm is really funny

>>16723337
a healthy amount of stupidity is necessary to get laid and incels, although loathsome, are rarely stupid. the problem with incels is that they simply think too much.

>>16723354
>People who hav sex r dum

Cope.

>>16723075
> How does one cope with being a failure and knowing that one will never experience a natural life with natural feelings?

Don't fall for the naturalistic fallacy? And start with the greeks.

>>16723378
Natural is good. Fact.

>>16723358
>People who hav sex r dum
yes

>>16723354
>tfw too smart to get pussy

>>16723421
roasties whomst have casual sex are stupid whores
fact

>>16723436
>Roasties

That’s not how vaginas work. Fact.

>>16722552
>the rewards
You are not entitled to any reward whatsoever for anything you do, you stupid bitch

>>16723442
i'm a woman retard

>>16722488
Apology by Plato

>>16723445
be my gf pls

>>16723445
you will never pass

>>16723445
A trans “””woman””‘, maybe.
Labia aren’t somehow extended by having sex, and even if they were, this would happen regardless of how many partners a woman has, even in strictly monogamous relationships.
It’s an incel meme

>>16723442
>>16723461
why can't roasties take jokes like they take cock?

>>16723337
there isn't a good argument against incels and blackpillers because what they say is irrefutable. normies aren't so dumb that they don't recognize that, they just don't care because they're too busy reaping the benefits of being normal and attractive. and they will never concede that blackpillers and incels are right because they don't want in any way to be thought associated or to agree with such a pack of bitter losers, why would they? and yeah, people are selfish and vain, life and especially the sexual game is brutally unfair, it's not a revelation.

>>16723471
>Some people are so inferior and disgusting that they never have sex

This is not the problem of superior, non-repulsive people.

>>16722488
That's a basic redpill not a blackpill

>>16723476
>a bunch of starved and angry people with nothing to lose isn't my problem, i am a superior non repulsive person.

>>16723507
>a bunch of starved and angry people with nothing to lose isn't my problem

Yes. They sometimes lash out and shoot some people, but generally they just commit suicide and die in obscurity like they’ve done for millions of years. It’s just natural selection taking out the trash.

>>16723471
Yes but it’s an anonymous image board, there’s no need for posturing; they really are really that oblivious

>>16723524
>It’s just natural selection taking out the trash.
incel tier rhetoric. you are the person you so despise

>>16723538
>Evolution is fake. Natural selection don’t real.

K lol

>>16723570
>natural selection in modern society

>>16723612
Whether or not other members of your species are willing to fuck you is just as much a selection pressure as the winter wind.

>>16722866
there wasn't anything natural about aqueducts either retard.

>>16722488
This is some garbage-ass prose

>>16722866
>>16723960

When Aurelius says "natural" or "in accordance with nature" he refers to acting ethically and/or letting your rational mind guide your actions (which is the same thing for him). He is not talking about a modern Russeauan idea of nature and living with nature.

I have seen truly ugly, cartoonishly ugly, people get girlfriends just by being confident. On the other hand, I wasn't ugly but I was shy and a stupid autist. Girls would sometimes hit on me but I would be too fucking stupid to act, so guess who did? The ugly fat fucks who managed to develop magnetic, leader-like personalities.
Some of them didn't even look "manly", because I guess you could argue some ugly people look fierce, they looked like the incel archetype but somehow managed to not only get cute girls and have lots of friends, but also be bullies.
I fucking hate the incel community because of how whinny and blind they are. Being attractive is a waste when you're a retard like me. A face is nothing without an attractive mind to back it up.
Incel is just a state of mind, a product of a cowardice that instead of being fought against is reinforced as a truth by echo chambers of equally cowardly men. It's an excuse to give up, a fallacy derived from determinism.

The only real blackpill is that there's no life after death. Read Zapffe.

>>16723337
'the scientific blackpill' on the incel wiki
it will never be refuted and remain relevant for millennia to come

>>16724023
This guys gets it. Incel is a matter of mentality not looks.

>>16722852
That's what they call my teeth

>>16723047
for better or for worse?

>>16724023
>there's no life after death
At least be an agnostic and don't embarrass yourself

I'm tired of you incels shitting up my board.

your failures with women start with your assumption that woman look for the same thing in a man as you do in women. Why the hell would you think that sexual dimorphism would end what woman are attracted too. Now I think this needs some clarification, I don't mean to suggest that you think women are attracted to large breast and soft skin, I'm saying that looks are not anywhere near as important to women as the blackpillers would have you believe.

have you ever thought about why attractive traits women are attractive to you? well, its because they are markers of physical health and the ability to bear and sustain children. last time I checked men did not need to give birth, so why would women select for health in the same way as men do?

in the wild and even to this day, the most dangerous time in a woman's life is when she is pregnant and giving birth. even having to flee from a potentially dangerous situation can have devastating consequences for her and the unborn child, and one must also consider that raising a child in the wild is very difficult. A woman needs a man in order to successfully raise a child in the wild.

fundamentally woman select for lack of a better term, confidant males. This is what woman find attractive in males, their demeanour and personality. I don't want to give you the idea that woman don't appreciate handsome men, but it is not anywhere close to as important markers of attractiveness are in woman.

why you don't get any women is because you don't venture outside of the world of online dating. in the world of online dating, woman hold ALL the card, and you are judged solely by your appearance. and women generally speaking do NOT pursue like men do, unless the men are very physically attractive, this is how you get your 80/20 online dating meme. in fact, one of the things they select for is your ability to take responsibly for situations, getting pursued is the opposite of that.

For millions of years, women have selected men based upon different criteria, because women and men have different sexual roles. this has not changed in the last 10 years, people have been having sex long before and for longer than complex social structures, language, consciousness and pretty much all that distinguishes us from animals. these processes are old and imbedded and will not change. women cannot control sexuality, it cannon be rationalised nor quantified. women don't even understand their sexuality. whenever they are asked how they were seduced they will say something along the lines of "it just happened", its a base emotion.

I'm sorry your younger years have browbeaten you into submission and impudent rage, but blaming women for something they can't control and that YOU were misled about isn't productive. it's kinda like you people have a sexual death wish, it's just not helpful.read this:

https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-manual-what-women-want-and-how-to-give-it-to-them-e162908565.html

>>16724471
TLDR. Kill yourself, faggot.

>>16724471
fuck off unvirgin

>>16724471
You yourself are being overly reductive about women. It varies from woman to woman for one thing, the types of guys they like, of which there are usually several types, and for another a given woman might choose a guy for a one night stand just because she likes how he looks, whereas with a boyfriend or husband the criteria are obviously different. She will also have to compromise based either on her own attractiveness or the fact that the type of man she likes is non-committal.

>>16724471
>239 pages
Hey you faggot, post a TL;DR OR YOUR MOTHER WILL DIE CHOCKING ON MY DICK TONIGHT

>>16722652
If nothing else, surely you realized that you're not alone.
>>16722552
Not saying they're awful, I'm saying they're fleeting and not guaranteed. So you're taking a serious emotional risk without any assured payoff. And, like it or not, that's hard to do.
And no, I don't complain about anything. I've been mentally preparing for a solitary life because of a few realizations I made about my nature when I was around 17-18.
>>16723444
>what is the definition of a reward

>>16724708
meant for
>>16722996

>>16724471
>Manual on what woman want
I really couldnt give a shit what any woman wants in a man cause they are dead weight to society. Accelerate and invent artifical wombs so i can personally get rid of the whole female population in my city. Fuck what they think, what they do, what they like and what they want. Nobody should care also kys you fat fuck.

>>16725007
Based.

>>16723354
this is true

>>16722997
I nutted in my girlfriends pussy 2 hours ago.
Stop spending so much time inside, theres No girls under your bed. Go outside, join a club or do any activities where you can talk to women your own age.

>>16722901
This.

>>16723358
Most people are dumb and most people have sex. I'm guessing the two groups are not far away.

>>16725007
>I'm sorry your younger years have browbeaten you into submission and impudent rage
You're a specimen

>>16725302
And you are a beta specimen that has to read bluepilled books and manuals on how to get woman. Read the rational male and stop coping with your attitude that woman will surely notice you if you are doing exactly what they want you wimpering faggot. As earlier suggested kys fat fuck.

>>16723013
oh man is this eggy?

>>16724132
worse. not the guy you were responding to btw

>>16724471
>muh confidence
Halo effect, a ugly man acting confident looks autistic or creepy, a attractive man acting confident looks confident
the scientific blackpill has already nuked your talking point.

>>16723985
I know, I was proving the same thing more subtly.

>>16723014
you fucking faggot

>>16722488
Anybody got the quote about how he's already missed out on the prime of his sexual years, and will never be able to make up for it, because he can never be a young woman's ideal of sexual desire?

It's brutally blackpilling.

incels are losers but the people who respond with rage and disgust are more disturbing. non-entities who lucked out with a "normal" brain get to stick their penis in the slime hole once or twice and suddenly they have an investment in the notion of the game being totally fair bro, it's all about staying positive bro. these people are carriers of the virus and their children wont be able to set themselves right with that kind of mindset if they ever find themselves in a negative spiral of depression and isolation

Sex doesnt matter that much, once you get older you will be less horny.

Also Denial of Death.

>>16724471
This is the only legitimate post in this thread, this man has literally told you how to stop self-destructing.

In the end I am mostly saddened by how it came to this. In a modern society why did man end up like this? This is utter defeat

Now perhaps this is only a very small subsection of man. Yet still, for even this demographic to exist is an injustice

What will we do about this?

>>16727077
we raise men to be autists: non-feeling providers. "Being a man" is rarely talked about and men who raise boys aren't even men to begin with. to be a man requires one thing: the complete understanding of the fact that you are alone, unwanted and disposable. once you've internalized that and built yourself up from that notion, that's when things go your way.
it's important that you understand this because that's how you construct useful mental models on how to deal with despair, rage and sorrow. it's also important to understand that only you can construct useful models for your own brain, other people can merely point you in some direction but ultimately never get you to where you need to be.

I've been in the incel mental mode and I can tell you that people are playing with fire when creating individuals like myself. it's an incredible volatile state. a lot of the "understanders" in this thread have the same worthless mindset so it's not likely a problem that will decrease

>>16723011
>>16723013
It's over. You'll never have sex. Give me your body, and if it's a valid one, meaning you can walk, are not deformed, and have all your senses and i would have sex within 6 month, for free, guarantee. But i guess i'm me, and you are you.

>>16727139
>can walk, are not deformed, and have all your senses and i would have sex within 6 month,
you wouldn't you fucking eternal normalfag

>>16727128
And what models have you constructed for yourself to deal with despair, rage, and sorrow anon?

A separate question. When you picture yourself on your deathbed, 80, most probably spending lots of time alone, will you feel fulfilled?

>>16722988
Porn sickness be like. You can’t expect tens as a 4 g

>>16727192
I honestly dont understand why men would have sex with an unattractive woman. I am not hating on unattractive women but I just dont feel anything.

>>16727209
>I honestly dont understand why men would have sex with an unattractive woman

Why do men have an innate drive to reproduce? Gee I dunno

>>16727174
I work with illustration and it puts me in a flow state, it strengthens me mentally and it almost makes me feel guilty in how much joy it gives me
>When you picture yourself on your deathbed, 80, most probably spending lots of time alone, will you feel fulfilled?
there's only now. knowing I did the best I could to heal my mind would be my greatest achievement, I don't think it's a waste of time. the world doesn't owe me anything and no contract was ever written

>>16727209
That’s because you watch porn all the time. Stop watching porn for a few months and the ugly chicks will be attractive to you because they’d be the only way to get off.

>>16727268
Yes, I think that achievement is very rewarding to reflect upon. I don't think it's a waste of time either anon. The world certainly owes us nothing. It is my ambition to achieve a continuous state of excellence one day. I wish you well in your journey forward

>>16727307
I dont watch that much porn. Is making myself desperate really a good idea? What will I gain from having sex with unattractive women? I dont feel about being single anymore anyway, I just fap once a week and I am fine.

>>16722488
Wow, with my face and build I must be some kind of womanizing genius to make it in such a demanding environment. A real rags to riches story against the odds. Maybe I should write a book on how to pickup women, I could call it "Stop Acting Like A Retard And Date People".

>>16727332
The ability to practice and improve your social skills in order to successfully approach and date normal cute women

>>16722652
why not just sleep with a prostitute? christ.

>>16722488
Imagine being sexually attracted to puspus and having your intimate sexuality chained to the pitiless natural cycle of reproduction and death lmao. if you really think girls are the devil then why are you debasing yourself by constantly chasing after them? take the homo pill

>>16724023
This I changed my personality from austist to normie and then I got a GF it’s not that hard guys but it’s painful in the beginning

>>16726992
It's one of the few actually poignant parts of a book that's otherwise just typical cold, ironic, autistic french modernity. It's touching in a "painful longing for lost time" sort of way, what's funny is that the initial sentiment actually loses its poignancy when he puts it into this morbid context of two privileged incels whining about sweaty young pussy at a club. There are worse things in this world than not getting pussy as a teenager, being deprived of a childhood by your abusive parents for example. I'm not an incel but I never had any close friends in my childhood/teenage years so I did feel a twang in my heart when I read it:

>Sure. It's been hopeless for a long time, from the very beginning. You will
never represent, Raphaël, a young girl's erotic dream. You have to resign
yourself to the inevitable; such things are not for you. It's already too late,
in any case. The sexual failure you've known since your adolescence,
Raphaël, the frustration that has followed you since the age of thirteen, will
leave their indelible mark. Even supposing that you might have women in
the future - which in all frankness I doubt - this will not be enough; nothing
will ever be enough. You will always be an orphan to those adolescent loves
you never knew. In you the wound is already deep; it will get deeper and
deeper. An atrocious, unremitting bitterness will end up gripping your heart.
For you there will be neither redemption nor deliverance. That's how it is.
Yet that doesn't mean, however, that all possibility of revenge is closed to
you

>>16722552
Today I went through a small village in mexico near a rich part of a city to repair my bike. There was a family, one mom and what I think were her 4 kids, around 8 to 10 years old. The kids were the bike repairers, and the shop was covered in flies, and outside dogs roamed. The only nice-looking part of town was the church. I wondered how people can take working like this since birth. But those kids are more driven than I have ever been.

>>16722488
Anyone of note ever try to directly refute Houllebeqs "blackpilled" arguments?

>>16722488
Yellow Chrome was a pretty based blackpill-take on the humorous English country novel. Certainly not the bleakest thing I've ever read, but engaging and more convincing by juxtaposition. Huxley was pretty good at that tone.

>>16723378
>tells people not to fall for the “naturalistc fallacy”
>tells people to start with the Greeks
Reading the Greeks is what makes you realize that the “naturalistic fallacy” is a meme and isn’t a fallacy at all

>>16727984
*Chrome Yellow

>>16724471
Yeah this is a good write-up and all, but I have literally never been hit on or even a smidge of interest directed towards me because I'm 5'5.
I've tried my hand at various methods of dating/meeting people. I've been successful a few times, but the important thing is that, as a low value male, you will never acquire a decent partner. You can get laid a few times with a fatty/loon, but that's it. All the good women (not necessarily attractive) are quickly snatched up by your superiors. Dating really isn't worth it for non-average folk.

And yeah, confidence/personality is a meme, sorry. I was a confident skinnyfat manlet and was a virgin until 24. I started lifting and my "confidence" kicked in and finally got results for me. In fact, I was probably a worse person after I started lifting, I suddenly was way more insecure about how I looked.
For the young incels in here, go to the gym, mess around a few times with some girls, and then stop and go balls deep into a hobby. That's the best route for you these days.

>>16723337
>are incels the ultimate pleb filter?
Unironically, yes, though it is like speaking to oracles. A certain dedication is required to cut through their madness in order to glimpse at their dark revelations. Some of the best writing I’ve read online has been by incels, though they’re culture is a descendant of image boards, so effort posts are rare, but always a treat.

>>16722488
Fast Food Nation

>>16728175
Jesus, that post in your pic is so we'll written it hurts me.

>>16727483
This fucking stings man

God damn

>>16728359
Dumping the puck

>>16728060
>Go balls deep into a hobby
This and only this is good advice. You cant go to War no more to die a honorable way so instead find something that gives meaning to your life. Something to pull trough and warp your entire mind around. Then youll find true happines without woman and their vapid existance

>>16722488
Are women really worth it bros? I'm not an incel
(apparently I'm actually good looking) and have been with a few but it's all so tiresome.

>>16728593
not unless you can find a really good one. they are rare

>>16728597
How rare?

>>16722488
I find it funny how every group finds a way to shit on incels; communists, alt righters, libertarians...etc. What makes you all so mad that you can't accept that some people are destined to never have someone love them because they were born ugly? What compels you to insist that they *just* got to try harder, take another shower, go to the gym more or change their personality?

>>16723337
lookism pisses everyone off. It pisses of left wingers who want more sexual liberation because that means that the upper echelon will get more sex but the lower tier of males won't and right wingers get pisses off because of JustBeWhite theory and how deathnics tend to have it worse in dating

>>16728613
Firstly, the truth of what they say has very adverse implications for their beliefs. Secondly, everyone loves punching down and people who lack sexual experience are universally loathed despite do gooders like to tell you.
>t. not an incel

>>16728628
>Secondly, everyone loves punching down and people who lack sexual experience are universally loathed despite do gooders like to tell you
Yeah pretty much. Redditors get so defensive whenever you mention you're an incel. It'll always be that you just didn't take enough showers or you're just a chud with a terrible personality.

I've noticed that redditors who are seemingly against the idea of race, nationalism and are zealous anti-racists end up resorting quasi-/pol/ arguments when a non-white incel complains about their predicament:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/chj0si/aita_for_pretending_to_be_white_on_tinder/
it might be a LARP post by people on looksmax.me but the answers are really telling, calling the indian guy an asshole when all he did was change his ethnicity to white and wonder why he gets so many more matches with women.

>>16722853
I have to go outside of my house

>>16728641
If you read between the lines, they want him to stay in his lane and accept that he's a genetic failure. Anyone who seeks to bypass sexual selection is looked down upon. How dare they seek to pass on inferior genes. Nevertheless, because they operate on such high levels of dissonance, this belief is hidden in trite phrases and useless advice.

>>16728609
shiny pokemon tier rare

>>16728683
Exactly. And it's all the more rich when these people will also claim they're anti-racist and hide their disdain for an inferior race under the guise of feminism
>ugh chud it's not racism it's just a women's preference she finds your race disgusting :)
I also remember there used to be a reddit board that used to be talked about on looksmax called justbewhite. When the sub inevitably got banned, you would have all the anti-incel warriors come out about ask why those ethnic incels think they're so entitled to white women and just stay in their own lane?

>>16728175
>actually thinking that d&d geek tier post is good writing
absolute state of lit

better never to have been by david benetar

>>16728175
Pretentious post. All those paragraphs can be replaced with two words:

"It's over"

>>16728731
kek

>>16722488
I honestly think an incel would do really well in the internet bloodsports debates (if those are still around). Incels aren't really beholden to the left or right and you're seeing with alot of them now that they don't even argue for traditional values any more. For most of them it's not about "returning to tradition" it's just about venting that they're too ugly to receive any of the benefits modern society provides. AS for solutions, there isn't really anything to save them of their predicament since it just comes down to being born ugly but some changes in society could help such as:
>blind hiring (good looking people are obviously favored in the hiring process)
>stop lying to men. It's the dishonesty that angers incels. Instead of dancing around the question just say "It's over for you" and just call them ugly or shitskin or whatever. I genuinely think they'd prefer this.
>stop villainizing them and stop attributing them to a political group

>>16728700
Why do people pretend that they don't despise the meek? Why don't people admit that the physically and mentally deformed disgust them? Why do people hide behind a veil of faux-compassion? I'd sooner rather a world where we didn't hide behind these pretences. Nietzsche's assessment of compassion was correct.
>>16728697
It's all so tiresome anon.

>>16728762
>'d sooner rather a world where we didn't hide behind these pretenses
I agree. It's the dishonesty that angers incels. The whole "blackpill" is just them telling each other that "it's over". It's the two faced behavior that's so infuriating like the previous example in this thread of redditors trying to mask their racism and implicitly telling the indian incel to stay in their genetic lane because they want to still be the anti-racist progressives

>>16728700
Why do people pretend that they don't despise the meek? Why don't people admit that the physically and mentally deformed disgust them? Why do people hide behind a veil of faux-compassion? I'd sooner rather a world where we didn't hide behind these pretences. Nietzsche's assessment of compassion was correct.
>>16728697
It's all so tiresome anon

>>16728700
Why do people pretend that they don't despise the meek? Why don't people admit that the physically and mentally deformed disgust them? Why do people hide behind a veil of faux-compassion? I'd sooner rather a world where we didn't hide behind these pretences.
>>16728697
It's all so tiresome anon

>>16724471
nice load of garbage

>>16724471
not a word son keep barking for incels like the submissive dog you are

>>16724023
Extremely based post

>>16724023
>A face is nothing without an attractive mind to back it up.
Biggest cope on the planet. Gandy and Chico are all submissive cucks but had more sex a a more fulfilling life than you could even comprehend. Looks are everything

>>16723337
It's impossible to debunk them. They also make leftists and righties mad so they're based. All sides of the political spectrum hate incels

What do incel intellectuals think about designer babies?

>>16728889
They're an inevitability. There's nothing more to say about it. It won't affect current incels because it won't occur in their lifespan and won't be able to affect them. If gene editing comes around that can actually change yourself than they'll do anything to ascend

>>16728881
one of my high school friends was model tier good looking/top student athlete but a turbo sperg and he's still a virgin in his mid twenties. looks are absolutely not everything

>>16728902
Cool so you have one example of a guy that can still easily get laid whereas most people who are below average looking will never get the chance

Just because an attractive guy has autism does not refute the importance of looks

>>16723013

>>16728910
extremely good looking people are often weird and somewhat autistic, at least the men. it's the 6-8 range that you want

>>16728932
You retarded son? It's best to be as attractive as a possible. God you're such a faggot. You're the same guy talking about his good looking autistic friend right?

>>16728940
most of the top tier male models are spergy as fuck, watch interviews with them. being valued for your looks and looks alone your entire life is not good for your mental health, hard thought it may be to believe.

>>16728060
I know a dude who is 5’5 that gets 10/10 alt bitches

>Cripples and lovely women are both tired of being looked at, they are weary of an existence that involves constantly being observed, they feel hemmed in; and they return the gaze by means of that very existence itself. The one who really looks is the one who wins.

Im almost certain that most of the in els in this thread aren’t actually ugly. So all of you should download Grindr, put a nice face picture of yourself, and wait for responses. Anybody above a 5 will receive responses, anybody 7 or above will be flooded with responses. And if you’re anywhere 5 or above you can almost certainly get laid with a little effort. So please download grindr and try it out for yourself, it’s kind of addicting being called sexy by actually attractive and fit men all the time

>>16728991
Laid with women I mean, in the part about being above a 5

>>16727052
based
npcs are 10x worse than muh inkwells. How fucking pathetic do you have to be to feel like you've conquered life for gaining access to the slimy, diseased cunt of a 3/10 fat whore, and that you're superior to any virgin on earth

>>16722846
you can't stop me

>>16729354
>falling for reverse psychology

>>16723337
lookism is societies greatest taboo. no one wants to admit that their quality of life is almost entirely dependent on how sexually attractive they are(which is determined by biological factors which are pre determined by nature)

leftists in particular hate this because they would then also have to confront the basics of human anthropology(which is antagonistic to all leftist beliefs)

>>16724471
too long, kys plz

Better to have never been with cioran close behind along with the book of disquiet
.

>>16724471
just shut the fuck up retard. who do you think you're fooling with your bluepilled shit?

>>16725203
>your own age
That's the problem for me.

>>16729533
>>16728808
>>16726739
I don't understand, I am not fooling you. I gain no social points from posting on an anonymous imageboard. If you want a purely selfish reason for posting it is because I find your insufferable self-pity and a complete lack of understanding of sexuality/brain dead assumptions more than a little bit annoying. I just want it to stop, and for you to finally get some so you WILL STOP SHITTING UP the internet. everywhere you go online there are faggot ass 22-year-old boys looking to shift responsibility to everyone else.

it's not girls job to take the lead in relationships, this is a good thing. the thresh hold for woman to express interest is much, much higher than it is for men. so don't be dissuaded if no girls in HS showed you any attention on your own merit.

and for the record its not just "MUH CONFIDENCE".confidence will NOT hurt you. but don't be stupid, use your head a bit, be groomed, learn how to charm a little, it's not the hardest thing in the world it just takes a little honesty with one's self.

the fundamentals of the incel ideology are built on shit. everything that comes from inceldom is built on deceit. they are at best false truths, don't buy them, and if you have, sell your position.

YOU have to take responsibly for your life, no one else will. you require inactive to get a gf. and if you don't understand this you don't deserve a gf.

>>16730476
leftists are the mirror image of conservatives talking about the market and income. "just pull yourself up by your bootstraps bro, it's all about showering, just polish your genes until they sparkle, women are ultimately the best ones at deciding what is worthy of reproduction"
the goal is to find what *you* think is worthy of reproduction and then force it on other people. anything else is a game of diminishing returns
> you don't deserve a gf.
no one deserves anything you simpering buffoon

>entire demographic of people who think life has no meaning because they can't talk to a girl
jesus fucking christ you people are pathetic, there's more to life than getting your dick wet.

Give me some refutations to Houllememes arguments

>>16728175

what forum is this?

L'Étranger

>>16731180
just recite the shahada

>>16724471
>'Women are pathetic' the post

A woman should be looking for wisdom in men, along with strength. They also should be the types that want to protect men from manipulators and liars, and keep their morality going when shit goes fucking south.
That is LITERALLY all that men want now. Huge tits and ass and a good face to go with it is a great thing, but a woman should be respecting the amount of anguish men go through dealing with the horrible people looking to tear down and turn the worst of worst into messiahs to turn against them.
Women will be women, yeah, but if a woman expects me to only take their advice and never call out on them acting like huge fucking cunts and grooming the emotions of people around them, then they can fuck right off.
No amount of Hollywood will convince me these kinds of women are worth dating, and they're all the dumber to fall for it.

>>16730625
>reducing love and closure to "getting your dick wet"
dumb normalfag

>>16731640
But that is it. What depth has a woman to offer that a good friend who talks openly with you doesnt? Woman are nothing then overhyped cumsocks.

>>16728641
>That Reddit thread
This planet is an elaborate joke

the true blackpill is that this - ALL of this - is a massive cope in the face of the knowledge of death.

man is an absurd animal

>The Camp of the Saints is a 1973 French dystopian fiction novel
>They showed an interracial couple—white woman, black man—in various stages of nude
embrace. With a caption that read as follows: “Tomorrow these couples will be recognized as the pioneers of an enlightened age, in
which prejudice will be dead and the only race will be the human race.” Yes, that’s what it was all about. And everyone listened with an
almost religious awe, because, in point of fact, they spoke in the name of death. Only a white woman can have a white baby. Let her
choose not to conceive one, let her choose only nonwhite mates, and the genetic results aren’t long in coming.

For some reason this section seems eerily familiar. It's as if (((someone))) is actively pushing the similar agenda in real world and using the same methods and phrases. But that can't be right, this is a fiction novel after all, r-right?

>>16731828
>What depth has a woman to offer
her birth canal

>>16731180
sex isn't everything, just masturbate and get the fuck over yourself

>>16732007
All too true my friend. It’s a shame to see the descendants of coarse European peasants trying to bring down such a fine young member of the Brahmin caste with their manipulative rhetoric.

>>16722488
>For me
Just did.

>>16722652

Kino

>>16732074
Death's just a cope in the face of the knowledge of birth. Both are just a cope in the face of eternal life

marx

>>16732229
what if I'm a "no-fapper"?

>>16723075
>when the girl realizes we don't watch netflix show or have an instagram account
This is a real issue I have. I engage in next to no contemporary media and thus I've fuck all to discuss when it comes to small-talk.

I went to a book club recently and people started nattering on about The Avengers and shit. I just had to wait it out which was somewhat painful.

>>16732593
Then you are going to the heavens and spit on self groomers. Amen brother

>>16722652
fuck me

>>16727379
You wouldn't say this if you had slept with a prostitute.

>>16727379
>>16732704
This is why i come to this side. Godspeed

>>16722488
>>16722652
Read The Practice of Brahmacharya

>>16728175

source on website?

>>16728950
yet they get laid more times than you can even count. You're such a faggot it hurts

>>16730625
Everything in life comes down to looks though. Your employment is heavily determined by your looks. Good looking people are favored in the hiring process. Obtaining love and happiness (pretty much the main goal of everyone in life) comes down to your looks.

Do you think ugly stem nerds would strive so hard to be the next silicon valley billionaire if they were good looking?

>>16722652

Jesus christ dude

>>>/fit/
>>>/sig/

>>16722488
i'm gonna read this, thanks anon, i'm a blackpill connoisseur

>>16722652
i know this is probably not the answer you expect but I laughed very hard reading your post

>>16724023
Its literally easier to change how you look than who you are

>>16722488
The famous American Nazi George Lincoln Rockwell's rants on conservatives are awesome, here is just one example.

No leftist can shit on conservatives as Commander Rockwell. He pinpoints exactly how slimey, cowardly the conservative subhumans truly are.

>>16734702
boobs

>>16722488
>tfw schizoid and literally couldn't give a shit about having sex with a person

>>16722846

>>16725007
Based James Bond poster.

>>16722846
masterpiece

>>16731285
>>16732786
incels.co

don't know if this counts but here it is

>>16722652
just know that i see your post as "based"

>>16722853
it genuinely depends on if you are good looking or charismatic. if you are neither it is very hard, genuinely. if you don't think so, you are either having sex with very ugly women or are some combination of the above

>>16725203
you need to actually kys

>>16733123
Maybe early on in life, but IQ becomes more important after a certain point.

>>16735082
Based beyond belief

>>16735252
No because attractiveness effects your employment and attractive people age better too. Also why even carry on with life if you are going to remain some sexless uggo forever? Only attractive people can experience "true love" aka not gold diggers

>>16722488
You incels are fucking pathetic, all you talk about is blackpill you but none you actually embrace it. You faggots follow the philosophy of optimism and LARP as le sad doomer goobers. This is where incels are terribly wrong. Remember that fruit of Heaven story? That's the truth this whole life is a fall. As Schopenhauer said that evil/suffering aren't the negative but rather positive and happiness/pleasure is negative on this shit hole of a planet. This naive desire of incels that things will be different after "founding" love or they will finally find fulfilment after raising a fucking family. Nothing's ever fulfilled until your death. And "love" only flames for one year and leave it's ashes for 30, kek.

Read some Schopenhauer's essays or Nietzsche's The Gay Science.

>>16735374
incels actually think that if someone fucks them, their problems will be solved forever. laughable really

>>16735429
>incels actually think that if someone fucks them, their problems will be solved forever
I have not read incel forums but pretty sure nobody has said all their problems would be solved forever.

you can read as many blackpilled books as you want, it won’t change your real life, only would emphasize what you want to hear—it’s society’s fault you can’t get pussy or just you were born destined to be an incel posting here.
all this validation from your authors won’t lead to shit, no statement they make can affect the proximity of you having sex with the girls in your life. stop wasting your time and use logic- is bettering yourself health wise and personality wise constantly will get you to a better place or is sulking in hate will?

>>16735429
That's not what they think at all desu

>>16735565
They see it as a breakthrough moment, the gateway to happiness and lookism is the key. But the physical beauty fades away with time. Pain, boredom, disease and death are certain truths of life. No matter how much you pick up weights or how women you fuck or how much money you make. The reality of life always break your back.
Have incels ever deeply stared at the faces of old people? Even the people with "happy" families?

>>16735625
what are you saying? there’s no happiness to be achieved? you seriously think there’s no difference to the average normal life and the lives of people who come here?

>>16735641
No and no.
The only difference between "average normal life" and people here is that the people here are stuck in a vicious stasis. While the life of normalfags is flowing.
Even the most normie "normies" in my surroundings have contemplated suicide at some point in their life. If you have one of deep conversation at midnight with anyone who is not a retard you will discover that they recognise the Void but they are good at covering it up with coping mechanisms and distractions to avoid thinking about it.
Stasis is against the rule of life which is entropy. Entropy means change, movement, flow etc. This bitch use you for reproduction by hidden the fragile body under the veil of beauty and then it kick you on your ass that's when people hit the "wall".

>>16722503
I've seen so many posts in here of people who had been dealt a really bad hand in life, but sometimes it's just anons being on the wrong track. They bet against all odds, they read the Doomer canon without laughing, or they are unwilling to do the hard work.

>>16735717
the fact that “normies” experience deep pain doesn’t attest to them being similar. like you said, stasis and entropy is one of the contrasts existing between us and them, but there’s a greater difference than that, a happier life most people here are in denial of. you convinced yourself a happy healthy life is just an allusion, saying it all somehow falls short due to inevitable factors, and it’s a big show people put on, it’s plainly false.

>>16723337
>where do I start with the incels?
https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill
Here

>>16735785
It's not hard to break the stasis really. Going with the normie lifestyle is very easy.
Well I am from a Muslim Eastern country where society's model is simple as shit. Go to School, collage, get a job, arrange is also an option so after 2 or 3 years of job you get married, have kids in the first year of marriage, grind your ass till 60 to support your family and get your kids married and after that you're good for dying.
You just have to just exist in normie lifestyle and that's it. But no couple is "happy" as in the incel idealised version. They are as miserable as a non-married person and I'd argue even worse if their financial conditions are fucked.
You can't measure the scale of suffering so it would be meaningless to say that normalfags don't suffer as much as peaoe here.
There is no fulfilment to be found in this life.

>>16722503
this

>>16722488
Whenever i think about this topic i always try and remind myself that i could always just kill myself, that helps somewhat.

>>16736449
Based and Cioranpilled

>>16735796
Fucking pathetic

The argument in OPs quote is what stopped me from being a leftist. If all the love and sex should go the most fit, then why shouldn't the best jobs? the capital? the commodities? It's untenable to support sexual liberalism but oppose market liberalism.

>>16737789
>no refutation
as expected

>>16737868
>refutation
Optimists are genuinely pathetic.

But I would like to share this beautiful post from the archive as an "advice" to incels:

>I try to remind myself that we’re all trapped in a decomposing cage of flesh and bone, with a million desires whirling around us at all times like sirens attempting to draw us from our vessel. That these desires are nothing but the conjured demons of economics, society, and evolution and while they promise fulfillment they will only use you to their own ends, increasing their strength over you, leaving you a slave and a broken human. The world of phenomena is a test, projected by the noumena, and to conquer it you must conquer yourself.

>Although I might try to convince myself that life has some external value, after a night drinking with “friends” or a sexual encounter with woman, it quickly becomes apparent that most friends are not worth having, and that woman’s sexual desires are so perverse and banal that their even having desired you bears the weight of a bad conscience. What man does not discrace himself by submitting to a woman’s desires? He becomes a fool, a brute, a scoundrel, a cuckhold, all at once— and looses himself in the process. What man benefits from society? He devoured his life’s work to the machinations of warfare and industry, he trampled the earth, he becomes bound up in stories told to gullible children, he is sold slavery and like an idiot wears his chains with pride.

>Service originates in the Latin word”Servi”, meaning slave. That’s what society, friends, woman ask from you, your slavery.

>There are two things in life worth their weight in gold: freedom and silence. How many men exchange these treasures for paper? Or for a soft touch of flesh? Or for some false sense of phenomenal meaning to disguise their nouminal emptiness?
>In English, the familiar for of “you”, “thou”, has long since died from the language. For those lonely men in Anglo countries seeking company, this should be (with honest reflection) enough proof that you will never find it. We live in a civilizational world-spirit which lacks even the words to express friendship, closeness.

>In books, there is the peace of forming a genuine connection with another person. If you cannot read, write. If you cannot write, read. If you are still lonely, hire a whore; it is less demeaning and less expensive than going to clubs. Logos is the breaking free of the soul from the flesh, embrace this and turn your eyes from the treachery of desire.

>>16737819
weak b8 m8

>>16722488
Notes from the underground, I guess.

>>16723075
self fulfilling prophecy faggots are the worst, but it's just that comfortable for you to believe it so that you don't actually have to shoot your shot then be my guest

>>16738828
It is obviously more comfortable to believe that there is hope than that there isn't. The guy may well have 'shot his shot' several times and realized he is just inferior

>>16722488
tfw

>>16722652
This is unironically the funniest post on /lit/ right now.

Denial of Death has to be at the top of the list.

>>16722488

I WANT THE QUARANTINE TO END SO I CAN TALK TO GIRLS AGAIN AAHHHHHHHHH PLEASE END THE PANDEMIC OH MIGHTY UNIVERSE

>>16722846
Based

>>16722503
>weak and lazy
Oh the just do it solution oh the good old just do it, damn, why didn't I think of it. Just do it of course!

>>16728613
Political beliefs like that require you to shit on them. For right wingers you need to self improve and have a family and all that garbage. For communists the misogyny and genetic determinism put forth by incels is a problem for their beliefs. For libertarians you can’t have ugly failures leaching off of other people. Also incels are lumpenproles or whatever.

>>16723158
Elliot, is that you?

>>16723445
Listen here little baby. You're gonna get a lot of hurtful and degrading comments, but that ain't what I'm about. Let me just say, you are perfect the way you are. You hear me sugar? PERFECT. Don't ever change. You deserve anything and everything you want. Stay safe for me, baby girl.
>mfw thinking of you hurting

>>16737957
Beautiful.

>>16722561
Life seems pretty complicated to me, no?

>>16724471
Holy cringe.

>>16723075
find yourself a girl who reads philosophy then or whatever you like

>>16724471
>my board

>>16723337
the problem with incels is that they constructed the ideology of "women like people based on their personality and not looks and people also don't care how you look" and then they spend all the time fighting it. yeah, everybody knows that, retards, now what are you gonna do about it? just stand there and bleed, whining?

>>16735374
Based

>>16735829
>>16740606
Based again
>t. ex-muslim

>>16735374
Based and extinction pilled

>>16723354
There's a lot to be said for being too stupid to doubt yourself.

>>16728175
>Sorcery, the last refuge of the abomination.

MARTIAL CLASSES WIN AGAIN

>>16722488
>>16722488
>But it is not only the mountain that is so vain, so obtrusive and vindictive -- everything else is, too. So I must go on repeating with wide-open eyes -- oh, how they hurt!
The Description of a Struggle really depressed me for some time. You can read it here: https://www.vanderbilt.edu/olli/class-materials/Franz_Kafka.pdf . The quote is from iii The Fat Man. While reading this story, I really imagined the sky was boxing me in.

>>16722853
>implying it's about sex
you people will never understand, will you?
sex is just the most obvious part of it and, of course, the least embarassing to talk about

Something Happened by Joseph Heller

>>16723461
shut up roastie

>>16723470
theres literal statistical proof roasties are roasties bc they roast themselves w cock
i dont care to find it right now

As can be demonstrated by this thread, sexless young men and childless old women are destroying any hope of a positive social fabric.

>>16741643
Then stop reproducing because someone gave birth to them

>>16722503
based. If you hate life and its unfairness so much end it. Otherwise you are alive, and by the fact you have chosen to be so you have to fight for keeping that condition.

No matter how fat, how stupid, how poor, you can struggle towards some form of happiness, barring neurological disease. Men in worse states have achieved a form of happiness, so you can find some too no matter your conditions if you are truly that desperate for it.

And most of you aren't in that dire of straits, you're just losers who want to blame it on something else

>>16723445
>i'm a retard woman

>>16733531
You are so dumb you missed the entire point of his post. You can not be helped. You are too dumb.

>>16734702
>George Lincoln Rockwell
The man was literally beyond based

>>16737957
Just read stirner

>>16732704
I have. Multiple desu. Took my fear of women

>>16735429
Sex and intimacy are two basic human needs. Incels despair over not getting this need fulfilled.

>cope: the thread

>>16722488
In this thread, it has vampires who suck your energy. warning to those who go here

>>16723013
You have to be fucking kidding me

>>16740990
That post can be read as>having a gf is not hard
He was mocking you and you are the one who does not understand.

>>16738291
based

>>16734702
Dangerously based

>>16722853
I don't want sex, I want to love someone