/lit/ - Literature

You tasted the cum of satan. It tastes good in the beginning but shortly you will notice yourself in a state of nihilism and despair,

>>16715182
>You tasted the cum of satan.
Sounds like a kino first line in a novel kek

Karl Marx: The German Ideology

But are you euphoric, anon?

>>16715249
He is, and not because of any phony god's blessing.

Assuming you're not just shitposting, please, PLEASE do not throw your religious values away without finding a proper replacement.

Evolution has chiseled culture as much as economics, many social rituals that come from religion are still useful and good for your psychology. Family, honor, truth and justice must be rediscovered through the secular lens, lest you shall become a debauched beast Like I once was.

The decadence of the West can be summed up as people outgrowing Christianity without replacing its values and falling prey to politics/corporations to fill their soul-shaped hole.

Atheism is super liberating until you're on your death bed

>>16715287
>>16715287
>SPBP
I know this feel too well and ran right back to Christ.

>>16715287
Oblivion is the final liberation, mate.

>>16715295
is there a fast forward button

>>16715134
Nietzsche and bread santa are both good. Check out some Christopher Hitchens debates if you want some old-school euphoric fedora-tipping.

>>16715134
The biggest thing to keep in mind is that the religious will try to get you with the "Jesus shaped hole in your heart" bullshit. Just know those studies people try to use to prove atheists are depressed actually refer to people who are just non-religious and that atheists are just as happy on average as christians when we study them as a group specifically. Don't let em get you paranoid.

>>16715435
pic related

>>16715275
You can still adopt a lot of christian values without being a believer purely because of cultural reasons. That's the case for me.

"I wiped the blade against my jeans and walked into the bar. It was mid-afternoon, very hot and still. The bar was deserted. I ordered a whiskey. The barman looked at the blood and asked:

‘God?’

‘Yeah.’

‘S’pose it’s time someone finished that hypocritical little punk, always bragging about his old man’s power…’

He smiled crookedly, insinuatingly, a slight nausea shuddered through me. I replied weakly:

‘It was kind of sick, he didn’t fight back or anything, just kept trying to touch me and shit, like one of those dogs that try to fuck your leg. Something in me snapped, the whingeing had ground me down too low. I really hated that sanctimonious little creep.’

‘So you snuffed him?’

‘Yeah, I’ve killed him, knifed the life out of him, once I started I got frenzied, it was an ecstasy, I never knew I could hate so much.’

I felt very calm, slightly light-headed. The whisky tasted good, vaporizing in my throat. We were silent for a few moments. The barman looked at me levelly, the edge of his eyes twitching slightly with anxiety:

There’ll be trouble though, don’tcha think?’

‘I don’t give a shit, the threats are all used up, I just don’t give a shit.’

‘You know what they say about his old man? Ruthless bastard they say. Cruel…’

‘I just hope I’ve hurt him, if he even exists.’

‘Woulden wanna cross him merself,’ he muttered.

I wanted to say ‘yeah, well that’s where we differ’, but the energy for it wasn’t there. The fan rotated languidly, casting spidery shadows across the room. We sat in silence a little longer. The barman broke first:

‘So God’s dead?’

‘If that’s who he was. That fucking kid lied all the time. I just hope it’s true this time.’

The barman worked at one of his teeth with his tongue, uneasily:

‘It’s kindova big crime though, isn’t it? You know how it is, when one of the cops goes down and everything’s dropped ’til they find the guy who did it. I mean, you’re not just breaking a law, your breaking LAW.’

I scraped my finger along my jeans, and suspended it over the bar, so that a thick clot of blood fell down into my whisky, and dissolved. I smiled:

‘Maybe it’s a big crime,’ I mused vaguely ‘but maybe it’s nothing at all…’ ‘…and we have killed him’ writes Nietzsche, but—destituted of community—I crave a little time with him on my own.

In perfect communion I lick the dagger foamed with God’s blood."

- Nick Land

>>16715620
no way

>>16715295
jej, such is the life of an atheist, ya'll literally cannot wait to escape life or drown yourself in nonstop decadence to numb your true feelings. I cant imagine having to live like this.

>>16715688
>ya'll
Begone.

>>16715703
This.

>>16715703
no

>>16715134
The Sorrows of Satan.

>>16715703
>namefagging
OH NO NONOONONONNO HAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>16715731
>ebonics
kek kys

>>16715561
I cant do this. The idea of not cutting away the useless fat, the trimmings that way down art, culture, everything, stirs my deepest dissatisfaction

I don't understand how you can say being atheist is liberating and post that bloomer joyful wojack. If I were atheist I would have killed myself long ago, not because my life is miserable but because the level of suffering and despair that conscious atheism entails would be overwhelming. Being atheist is the crudest truth you can ever think of, is the end, five hundred more painful than being told that Santa Claus doesn't exist as kid. If you don't kill yourself you didn't understand atheism, or you're to coward to embrace it until it's last conclusions.

>>16715829
youre the one who clearly doesn't understand. they're fully capable of a pseudo living death where they placate themselves with relentless waves of instant gratification to numb their pain so their lives exist in a pattern of violently thrashing back and forth between profound misery and fleeting artificial euphoria never finding fulfillment nor the will to die, just a slow stagnation while they burn out and eventually simply stop functioning

>>16715734
>kys
das some pussy ass white boi sheeeeeit

>>16715734
classic ebonics and urban slang words "oh" and "no"

>>16715829
It's all in your mind. Be brave and strong.

>>16715134
I think you're wrong, but some of us have to be an experiment, good luck fren

>>16715862
that image is the classic angsty teen rookie mistake. the implication is always something along the lines of "nothing matters so have fun!" and 10 years fun later you learn that the "fun" is fleeting and none of the shit you spent your time doing mattered either except that your left with nothing but crippling consequences of your actions that prevent you from enjoying yourself further


literally just short sighted optimism of an inexperienced teen/manchild

>>16715829
>>16715855
Just because you are too small-minded to find genuine meaning in life besides hedonism or whatever the church spoon feeds you, that doesn't mean atheism inevitably leads to despair or escapism. Religion is the ultimate cope, the sooner you realize that the sooner you can start actually living

>>16715899
It's not just about fun, though. But about stop caring for organized religion and enjoy other aspects of life.

>>16715293
>I'm too much of a pussy to face death like a man so I ran right back to the cult that promises me sunshine and rainbows forever as long as I do exactly what they say
Pathetic

>>16715275
I never lost the parts I always admired about Christianity (charity, valuing the weak, decimation of hypocrisy); they were a strong part of my personality by the time I was old enough to reject religion. It was a gateway drug to Marxism and I regret nothing about my time as a Christian (I even appreciated the literary qualities of the Bible when I first read it cover to cover as a "test" of my atheism years ago. It's indisputably one of the most fascinating and engaging documents in history).

>>16715991
>enjoy other aspects of life.
like what? literally the only thing christian philosophy is stopping you from doing is being a hedonistic retard

>>16715862
>>16715983
>inevitably
Statistically.
Again, you don't understand what atheism means, you lack confidence and coherence. Even in your hedonism, you're mild and puritan, you're cowardly cohibited by whatever the opinion of the masses might be at the moment; you don't try to rape a kid for example, or to eat shit, to exercise your right to pleasure beyond meaningless conventions after the death of God. You don't want to know what atheism offers to you. The last honest atheist was De Sade. I don't blame you, you truly have to be a genius to reach these stances, I just pity atheism for its lack of geniality.

>>16716022
Only weak-minded people fall into hedonism. Basically animals.

>>16715134
The Fruits of the Earth - Andre Gide
The Immoralist - Andre Gide

>>16716028
thats not what I asked

>>16715287
That just means you lived like a theist while paradoxically professing an atheist belief.

>>16716022
>like what?
Like all the shit you just called "being a hedonistic retard," dumbass

>>16716031
Like what? Pursuits of knowledge: science, philosophy. Pursuits of beauty: art, literature.

>>16716025
>every atheist should be a shit-eating pedo like de Sade
for fuck's sake.

>>16716041
aah yes I must have accidentally forgotten about how the christian world was so completely devoid of the pursuit of science, philosophy, beauty, art and literature

>>16715134
>After years of struggling with my religious beliefs, I'm finally an atheist and it feels liberating.
What finally did it for you?

>>16716054
Not that guy, but Christianity isn't exactly fond of "pagan" philosophy, science, and art. See: Garden of Eden myth.

>>16716054
Never said otherwise. Are you arguing with yourself now?

>>16716050
You shame us all when you swallow bait like this. At least make them larp for us instead.

>>16716071
I'm an autist. I don't know what is and isn't bait.

>>16716050
>ehhh yeah I'm an atheist ... I don't believe in God nor objective morality... do whatever you like OwO
>wTF pedo sade shiteater! You can't do that!!!
What a bunch of hypocrite puritan grandmas you guys are. It's ridiculous that people like you actually exist. I swear you guys don't understand a shit of the things you believe, you're braindead normies. Read De Sade.

>>16716070
no im arguing with you that Christianity allowed all of the things you mentioned to flourish and would go as far as to say it produced the absolute masterpieces of each field

>>16716079
Refuted by Harris.

>>16716092
So? The Ancient Greeks also did advancements in those categories but their time came and they died out. Same thing with Christianity will happen. You can still enjoy those things without being a devout Christian.

>>16716128
of course you can, but I dont see how that completely separate debate at all relates to what we are talking about

>>16716151
Well, you're the one who brought up Christian culture out of nowhere, not me. I'm simply mentioning how things died out.

>>16716162
lol what the hell re you talking about? i didn't "bring it up out of nowhere"

>>16715134
>I'm finally an atheist and it feels liberating.
Have fun for the first few months.

>>16715620
If the origin of this dialogue was from a 4chan post instead of Nick Land everyone would call it cringey pseud manchild shit. Which it is, mind you.

>>16716040
Why would you care about them? You argued they don't matter.

>>16715134
atheism is stupid - no one can be convinced God doesn't exist.

>>16715829
Atheism means life is as meaningful as you make it, and "you" are something that can be changed. If you killed yourself as an atheist, it just meant you were a pathetic loser.

>>16716025
>atheist countries
So like the USSR? Or would a country with no religion in particular being dominant be considered "atheist?" I picked one of the original sources and it made no attempt at classifying a given country as atheist. It just listed suicide rates by country, so whoever wrote that put their own spin on the data and he would have to clarify how he makes his demarcations.
If you want to demonstrate that atheists are suicidal, it's very lazy to just look at "atheist countries." People killed themselves in the USSR because it was commie. You have to prove that it was in fact the atheism that caused the high suicidality and not just point to a country statistic and find things it correlates with.
As an example of how that can lead you astray, wealthier countries tend to have higher life satisfaction and tend to be less religious. Therefore we could say that less religious countries tend to be more life satisfied on average. Am I allowed to say that the lack of religiosity caused the higher life satisfaction? And even if it did, can I also use this to infer that the less religious a person is, the more life satisfaction they'll have?

>>16716342
>Atheism means life is as meaningful as you make it
You made that up completely.

>>16716365
Cope

>>16716344
Man, it's fucking evident, we haven't ever had these numbers of suicide in the West, correlating with the decrease of religiosity. You don't want to see it, take out your eyes.

>>16715134
what those colored dots look like when u win a trophy in mario kart 64

>>16715134
You have found nothing but darkness

>>16716376
>it's evident
Then you should be able to find good data showing that's the case. Right now it looks like I can argue using the same tier of argument that less religious people are more satisfied with their lives.

>>16716365
The very meaninglessness of life forces man to create his own meaning.

>>16715134
I can get living life as an atheist, but what happens when you are on your deathbed?

>>16716396
However vast the darkness we must supply our own light.

>>16716406
I'll be happy that I have no way of getting in hell, because it doesn't exist.

>>16715134
Based, anon. Now just look at all these resentful slaves in this thread. Don't let them bring you down.

>muh deathbed conversion
>muh christian values
>muh nihilism
>muh devil
What a bunch of pathetic copers you people are, holy fuck

>>16715182
>You tasted the cum of satan.
>It tastes good in the beginning
How do you know??

>>16715134
Shelley is the atheist poet by excellence. Maybe try his work.

>>16716399
>He also concluded that, the higher the education level, the more likely it was that an individual would choose suicide. However, Durkheim established that there is more correlation between an individual's religion and suicide rate than an individual's education level. Jewish people were generally highly educated but had a low suicide rate.

>>16715134
https://youtu.be/tbfKBXpHNUU?t=446
You are a coward. Enjoy it.

>>16715134
De Rerum Nature (on the nature of things) by Lucretius is a great early celebration of atheism and freedom

>>16716482
Durkheim was studying suicide rates among religious people, finding that catholics committed suicide more often than protestants.

>>16716613
protestants more often than catholics* whoops

>>16716036
This

>>16715134

The sadness for the OP is that he had religious beliefs to begin with, which emotions threatent to confound him back into un-truth. I personally have been fortunate never to have had any real religious feeling, and consequently have been in the truth the entire time.

lmao becoming an atheist because you reject the teachings of your native religion is the most stupid illogical contrarian thing you can do. Imagine if Anaxagoras had said that the sun doesn't exist because Helios probably doesn't exist. Becoming an atheist is deliberately choosing dogmatism since you are ruling out a created non-eternal universe just because you didn't like a book and the people who preach it. The spiritual search doesn't just end because you said so and chose to ignore the obvious problems.

>>16715561
sure that's called satanism

>>16715134
Watch the following video, it might give you a second thought about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jat1pFUdvCE

>>16715287
Imagine coping this hard just so you can be not afraid when you die

>want something
>pray to god
>god doesnt give it
>its fine bro god have plans for you
wtf is this sadistic god?

On a deep level atheists are profoundly frightened individuals, in regard to the prospect of, both: overcoming uncertainty, and: reconciling themselves with themselves; this fear manifests itself the clearest on their deathbeds, when, having realized that they had never turned toward the source of their love, and of everything that they had ever loved, they begin, truly for the first time, to grasp for what they lacked the courage to address in their lifetime, which has actually always been present, and remindful, for them.

Toward the end of the world individuals such as this will have to quickly and stressfully decide during crisis whether to follow the Christian faith, and the noble lifestyle that it entails, or to adopt the Judaical religion of the Antichrist: Protestantism, taken to its satanistic/demonistic/paganistic extremes; no other options, beside death, will be available for them.

>>16715134
Here's a short story from your future.

>>16716972
except you wasted your time and it turned out the true religion is Mormonism or Buddhism or some dead African religion or Spaghetti monster or whatever
You are an atheist with respect to the rest of the religions, atheists are just one more atheistic than you are

Self-declared atheists are ultimately shallow and without religious conviction or philosophical consideration.

>>16715134
If you're interested in the Christian god in particular, read Bart Ehrman's Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium or Dale Allison's jesus of nazareth: millenarian prophet. They explain how Jesus is a failed apocalyptic prophet and how he and the early Christians thought that the world as they knew it was going it end soon. Spolier: they were wrong.

>>16715134
>Any texts where you can taste absolute liberty?
The bible, unironically.
I went from crazy religious home to realizing these people are nuts and then spending some years in the wilderness as an atheist before I looked into what the tradition actually said outside of crazy claims by literalists.

To be godly is to be creative. To be an atheist is to reject god and the creative impulse. This is why there is no good atheist literature.

>>16716993
>To be godly is to be creative
Creativeness is strongly correlated with trait openness which correlates more strongly with a liberal worldview than a conservative one. Creativeness is a trait more associated with people on the political left than on the right and leftists are, by no means, religious.
You're wrong and you should feel bad. Religion kills creativity.

>>16717027
Leftists are the most religious people in the world, they only worship each others ass instead of God.

>>16717037
We just don't golf, anon. Atheism is the absence of reliance on imaginary beings.

>>16716986
>except you wasted your time and it turned out the true religion is Mormonism or Buddhism or some dead African religion or Spaghetti monster or whatever

1. Christianity is a spiritual doctrine, not a religion

2. The only true faith is the Christian faith.

>>16717045
Boring

>>16717067
>The only true faith is the Christian faith.
source: my ass

>>16717067
>2. The only true faith is the Christian faith[, regardless of whether other spiritual doctrines, or religions, promote the worship of God.]

ITT: pic rel

>>16716972
>the Christian faith, and the noble lifestyle that it entails,
What's noble about burying your head in the sand with "afterlife" and leaving moral judgments up to a book?

>>16717332
You are probably conflating Judeochristianity in general, or Protestantism in particular, with Christianity.

>>16717332
Christians do neither, though.

>>16716342
Atheism means the believe in the non-existence of God. Atheism is meaningless in as far as God is the only meaning provider. Loving relationships are meaningfull whether you believe in God or not.

>>16717335
>>16717372
>those aren't the REAL Christians
Every time

>>16716405
What is that meaning you speak of? There is no meaning, but I create it.
Well, what did you create?
Wherein lies the difference in doing something with or without meaning?
The religious person may now say something along the lines of: "This action is meaningfull because God approves." "How do you know that for sure? " We might ask him. "I believe it to be so" he might answer.

Now we ask the atheist, what does make this action meaningfull? "I believe it to be so" he answers.

Now the question is, is this difference meaningfull?

>>16716967
Do you think God is your lap-dog?

The only reason people become materialist atheist in the west is because western religion and theology is a fucking joke

>>16717443
Yes --Judeochristianity constitutes a Judaized corruption of Christianity, most prominently in the religion of Catholicism, whilst Protestantism, with its many subsects, is Antichristian in its entirety.

>>16717498
All Christianity is Jewish you orthodox tard

>>16717561
Christianity is antijewish.

>>16717561
Not agreeing with the tripfag, but I wouldn't say it's Jewish, more like it stems from Judaism with a mixture of other elements. There are pretty strong differences between the two religions, one of the more apparent examples being the Garden of Eden — Jews call it the Tree of Knowledge, whereas Christians call it the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Majorly differing implications in the name change there, even if the effects of the belief seem similar on the surface. Judaism is more of an outright attack on reality, whereas Christianity focuses more on morality.

>>16717610
>stems from
Literally half the Christian Bible is also the Hebrew Bible (the OT).

>>16715134
I’m a lifelong atheist and I can tell it’s not liberating in the slightest. Atheism has no culture and has no community.
>inb4 online communities
Online communities can never ever replace the intimacy of an in-person community.

>>16717741
That's because you probably grew up an atheist but formerly religious people have the culture of that religion even if they don't practice the faith.

>>16717760
Yea my family stop going to church when I was around 5. My parents were still believers but never really mentioned religion. Now I’m 25 and feel a spiritual “need”, I don’t know how to describe.

>>16717741
>Atheism has no culture and has no community.
Neither does theism. Culture and community are independent of the belief in deities, wherever they are cultivated it's of no result of belief either way, but of perceived shared commonalities.

>>16717821
‘Belief’ is a very Protestant way to define religion.

>>16717610
>Judaism is more of an outright attack on reality
What does this mean?

>>16717836
As an example, the majority of Japanese don’t consider themselves religious, but millions still visit Shinto shrines every year and participate in ritual.

>>16717856
You can see it in their Garden myth. They consider the modern intellect to have lead to humanity's downfall. It's a denial of what we have evolved to possess.

>>16717866
And American atheists still celebrate Christmas. What's your point?

>>16717878
Christians think this way too. Also I'm looking into it now and the ancient Hebrew name for the tree includes a phrase which translates as "good and evil," so your point is moot anyway

>>16717895
Yea a shallow consumerist version of Christmas.

>>16717897
Right, and you think the atheist Japanese people going to Shinto festivals with street food and mascots are engaged in an authentic religious practice, right?

>>16715435
>are just as happy on average as christians when we study them as a group specifically
because the average atheist is too dumb to realize the implications of their worldview, but at least they can appear smart at a party

>>16717911
Well I can’t think of a response for that so I guess I got BTFO.

>>16717930
This is like saying that the average Christian is too dumb to realize the implications of their worldview, it's just an insult that doesn't make sense. People can disagree with you and still be intelligent and well-reasoned.

>>16715182
based

>>16715182
Better to taste the cum of Jesus, amirite?

>>16715998
>to be a man is to spite God
>le cult mee mee
Post physique, "man"

>>16717949
Why are redditcore atheists so scatological?

>>16717958
Why are Christians a bunch of coping cumbrains?

>>16717939
no it's not, just look at how an average determinist's/atheist's acts contradict his/her worldview

>>16715134
>I'm going to burn in hell and suck demon dick for eternity, and it feels liberating!

>>16717970
>hell
>real

Atheism or theism, doesn’t matter. Cringe is inescapable.

>>16717958
>talks about tasting Satan's cum
>Why are redditcore atheists so scatological?
???

>>16717990
I'm a Christian, and I soundly agree with you- your soul will be destroyed after your death, that being the Second Death, which is the fate of all unrepentant sinners who are fed to the Lake of Fire.

>>16717970
>>I'm going to burn in hell and suck demon dick for eternity, and it feels liberating!
Freud would have a field day with you.

>>16717997
Malicious misinterpretation. Osteen's statement was, though poorly phrased, innocuous. You (vis-a-vis other atheists online) chose to interpret it sexually.

>>16718009
>Malicious misinterpretation
So is calling atheism "tasting Satan's cum"

>>16715134
What were you before this

>>16718003
Souls are eternal, kid. Reincarnation is the likely outcome.

>>16718009
>You (vis-a-vis other atheists online) chose to interpret it sexually.
No one talked about sexuality but about it being scatological lol

>>16717963
>just look at how an average christian's acts contradict his/her worldview
We can play this game all day buddy

>>16717027
>Religion kills creativity.
Yes, but a belief in God augments it. If you are truly open to ideas, you can be open to the many worldviews.

>>16718042
Catholic.

>>16717027
lmao nigga it doesn’t

>>16718049
>"more likely"
>thinking metaphysical models conform to statistics
Retard

>>16718059
>just look at how an average christian's acts contradict his/her worldview
yes, i agree with that, it doesn't change the fact that the average atheist is happy because he's too stupid to actually recognize the implications

>>16717027
>genuinely tying modern red team blue team post-industrial politics to abstracts like theology & creativity

>>16718089
Age and story? I've had a similar experience in the past and I'm interested in your thoughts

>>16718057
Semen is a bodily excretion you semantic-autist retard.

>Decide to check out /lit/ because wanted to read more
>It's Christians talking about drinking Satan's cum
Is this /pol/ 2.0?

>>16718146
So? The Christians were the ones who started being scatological right from the very first post ITT.

>>16718161
>enter the shitflinging thread that always exists on every board
>catch a faceful
>get mad and insist that things were better before

>>16718174
>get mad and insist that things were better before
Were did I even say that? Somehow I dodged the Christian cringe on most of the boards I go on. I might glance at /pol/ every now and then if there's signs something crazy is happening and that's really the only place I see those retards.

>>16718181
You live, I should hope, in the western world. Christianity is more or less that world's founding doctrine. This thread was designed almost explicitly to get a rise out of the Christian undercurrent.

>>16718118
Whereas Christians are all happy because they're bathed in the blood of the lamb? Just shut up dude, you don't know anything about what makes someone happy or not and haven't even bothered to elaborate on the so-called "implications" of atheism. Some people, like OP, take comfort in the idea that there are no moral absolutes, that there is no day of judgement or afterlife. Get over it, being a faggy annoying Christian doesn't make you smarter.

>>16718215
>there are no moral absolutes
Sounds good, on my way to your house to commit an act that has no intrinsic moral value one way or the other.

Why are you guys so afraid of death?

>>16718330
Because we have properly functioning brains.

>>16718330
We are built to fear it.

>>16715134
I'm an anti-moral anti-logical anti-religious theistic gnostic philosopher.

>>16718462
Wow anon can I get an autograph?

>>16718462
Based

>>16715134
>taste absolute liberty
just smoke some cigarettes bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1eWalksCgM

There will never be equality. No matter how hard you try and create a system where everybody is equal, the strong will always adapt and exploit those conditions to their advantage. These are the laws of nature and your weakness will be your downfall.

>>16718330
I’m not afraid of death. I’m afraid of not accomplishing what I think I am capable of accomplishing. I’m actually okay with death. If only I lived in a martyrdom culture where I can do both at the same time. Nope, I had to be born in the odd liberal capitalism epoch. Thanks God. Wage slavery isn’t as nice as conscription to the British navy.

>>16718478
Only libtards want equality. Read marx

>>16715182
Don trust, this anon. The only period of my life in which I unironically prayed god or the gods was the most lonely, depressing and painful of which I have memory of. Buying into any metaphysics makes you mentally ill and depressed. Read poetry and nice novels, stop trying to figure out the ultime way to beat the videogame, and enjoy it while it lasts.

>>16717930
Give an example of an implication of the atheistic worldview. Let me help you start out the logical chain in syllogistic fashion.
P1) God does not exist (or is simply not actively believed to be)
P2) If God does not exist, then Q
Conclusion: Therefore Q.
What's Q? And let me explain either why P2 is false or why Q is something atheists can understand while not caring.

>>16718215
Where does he imply he is Christian?

A materialist atheist must reduce his existence to being a rotting bag of flesh entirely motivated by fleeting and unsatisfying goals and objects. Any atheist that understands these implications would logically kill themselves because death is better than any of the bullshit we’re subjected to on earth.

>just shut up dude
holy fucking seethe

>>16715212
>Karl Marx: The German Ideology
Karl Marx: The Jewish Ideology

>>16717990
We’re already in it.

>>16718696
bingo

>>16718696
this anon gets it

>>16718699
>>16718700
checked

>>16718677
>A materialist atheist must reduce his existence to being a rotting bag of flesh
Pure rhetorical flourish that boils down to "people die and aren't immortal."
If we had a finite soul, it wouldn't be any better.
>motivated by fleeting and unsatisfying goals and objects.
I don't need to have attained a goal to be happy. I can just be happy. Pursuing goals can be fun, however, because humans organically enjoy expanding their capacities. But my well being does not hinge on whether I did well or poorly on a particular aim.

>>16718330
Unironically is the contrary. Faith gives a response to the fear of death, therefore the religious man doesn't fear death. Atheists say they don't fear it but they paralyze the country for some harmless chink flu. What we fear, nonetheless, is God's judgement.

truth comes from a true desire to know truth

>>16715182
fpbp

>>16718726
Religion is still a means of death obfuscation. However, don't mistake this as me saying Atheism is any better, because everyone still plays games to avoid thinking about death -- it is, afterall, human nature to do so.

>>16718726
We prefer to be alive, so we act on our preference. The rational agent always acts to maximize preference. But not getting your maximally preferred outcome is not a cause for emotional turmoil, otherwise someone should be sad they aren't always dining at a five star restaurant.
Some places are overdoing lockdowns though.

>>16718677
>Where does he imply he is Christian?
Call it an informed guess. And that's a Christian interpretation of what an atheist "must" conclude. You people presuppose that the only "satisfying goal" is union with god.

>>16718931
Explain in detail the goal that satisfies you completely in its pursuit.

>>16715134
Soon you'll realize how crushing and alienating that freedom really is and you'll want to return though you know you can't. The binds and social limitations are religion's biggest drawback and benefit. This high you feel is only temporary, soon you will miss the simplicity of religious life.
With the loss of the enchanted world existential dread soon colors everything. Anything is possible but also anything is possible....

>>16719025
classic ressentiment: the post

>>16718726
Okay Anon heading over rn to bludgeon you to death. Hope that's okay by you, as you say religious people don't fear death.

What have you actually been freed from?

>>16719052
>not fearing death = desiring to die
Enjoy your hearty helping of buckshot anon

>>16718726
>Atheists say they don't fear it but they paralyze the country for some harmless chink flu.
How does one even begin to build such a massive strawman as this?

>>16718999
What? Are you an alien or something? Do you find that being such a proselytizing asshole is "completely" satisfying? Is the pursuit of your religion "completely" satisfying or is that just what you tell yourself so you don't end up in the bad boy place?

>>16715182
nihilism is fine, you can enjoy life as a nihilist.

>>16715134
Congratulations for going from the bondage of "God" to the bondage of "No God"

>>16718931
>And that's a Christian interpretation of what an atheist "must" conclude
Nope. That is an empirical claim.

>>16718707
Despite any worldview or brand of afterlife, the only logical conclusion can be suicide. There is literally no reason for me to stay here or remain attached to life in this world, neither do you. Nothing you feel happy for here will matter because as you see it, you will stop existing one day. If I was a Christian I should think that killing myself is the best way to get to god.

So what are you actually afraid of? The same thing as everyone else: the unknown. You’re afraid of being wrong. We all are. You aren’t much better than any Christian you criticize.

>>16715134
>Any texts where you can taste absolute liberty?

Jack Parsons and Robert Anton Wilson

>>16719560
Wew that’s a lot of assumptions. I guess to the average western atheist religion = Christianity.

>>16715275
>>16715134

atheism is stupid dude, just be an agnostic. The truth is none of us know if god exists or not so the stances "god exists" and "god doesn't exist" are both retarded

>>16715829
>If I were atheist I would have killed myself long ago, not because my life is miserable but because the level of suffering and despair that conscious atheism entails would be overwhelming

NEVER!

>>16716724
>Becoming an atheist is deliberately choosing dogmatism since you are ruling out a created non-eternal universe just because you didn't like a book and the people who preach it.

projection, christians are the ultimate dogmatists

>>16719837
A divine being either exists or doesn't, this is barred out in multiple ontological arguments. Stop coping because you're indecisive.

>>16717953
No, to be a man is to accept your own mortality without desperately grasping for some kind of imaginary cope
Name one difference besides popularity between Christianity and a cult, I'll wait
>inb4 but the Bible is true tho!! I feel it in my soul
Try again cuck, that's what cultists always say

>>16719822
Again, call it an informed guess. At least in the west, only Christians would dare to be this obnoxious

>>16719864
>an assertion is either true or false, therefore you must take a definite position on it, even absent evidence for either side
What are you even talking about?

>>16719864
>>16719837
agnostics are scared atheists

>>16719884
Name one difference between your existential beliefs and the existential beliefs unconsciously held by an animal like a dog or a cow.

The atheist movement has become a joke in the past couple of years, but that doesn't change the fact that religion is very difficult to detach and heal from. OP know that you are always enough, it will still take time to move on from the shame and self hatred that religion instills.

>>16719937
>The atheist movement has become a joke in the past couple of years
That's because it's no longer needed. New generations don't give a fuck anymore. Atheism is simply a given now, so people have moved on to other frontlines.

>>16719937
Atheism teaches that man is flawed, being the result of a rote and mechanical evolutionary process with neither goal nor guiding principle, bound only for the soil from which his nutrients were derived.
Theism teaches that man is flawed, yet loved by God.

>>16719930
>Dodges question with meaningless non-sequiter
Yep, sounds like a theist. But sure I'll bite. Cows are unaware of the inevitability of death, and don't have the capacity to form metaphysical beliefs at all. Saying they hold agnostic or atheist beliefs "unconsciously" makes no sense, I could just as easily assert that they unconsciously believe in the Christian god

>>16719937
>The atheist movement has become a joke in the past couple of years

why should atheists be part of a "movement" you retard

>>16719960
>Atheism teaches that man is flawed
This is a huge stretch. Man simply "is."

>>16719960
Atheism is an acknowledgement of what is and skepticism towards the unseen. Theism is selling a cure for a self prescribed sickness rather than just trying to fix things that can be better.

>>16719969
The events of the Bible are attested in extra-Biblical sources (inb4 'Jesus was made up' theory retardposting that no sane historian will humor) and were so convincing to the Apostles and their followers that the early Christians martyred themselves against torments the likes of which you will never experience in your mortal life.
This is proof enough for me.
I will say again- post timestamped physique, if you are made such a man by your pissant beliefs.

>>16715620
>‘Woulden wanna cross him merself,’ he muttered.
How do I learn this level of authentic dialogue?

Atheists will never be more free than any other man because regardless of existential worldview, death should logically be the answer to all questions and the freedom to all suffering. But of course we’re all afraid of the unknown, we’re all afraid of being wrong, so we remain attached to the master that beats us because we can never truly know what it is. As long as you remain alive in this world, you aren’t actually free.

>>16719995

>>16719998
And buddhist monks lit themselves on fire, what does that prove to you?

>>16719972
I want a club for my non-belief in things, like bigfoot and unicorns. It fills up the time after my scheduled round of 18 holes not-playing-golf.

>>16720034

>>16715134
to be atheist is to not hear the music

Sunk cost is the only reason anyone halfway intelligent keeps their religion. The hedonism argument is very ill-conceived as well. There are far better ways to decide on your values that don't require taking an archaic book seriously. Also, I guess most people can't come to terms with Memento Mori either, but there are other ways to cope with that than believing in any world religion.

>>16720021
>suicide
>martyrdom
Pick only one.

>>16719998
Yeah and the Heaven's Gate cultists killed themselves to get to their UFOs. Nobody is denying that gullible people will do crazy things in the name of their cult of choice, doesn't prove shit.
And yeah, some of the events in the bible have been corroborated, while others have been disproven. Just because Jesus existed and had a successful cult, it doesn't follow that Christianity is actually true
Also fuck off with your physique nonsense, you first

>>16720064
>suicide is martyrdom
Nah
>fuck off with your physique nonsense
Fatty, fatty, unloved by God.

>>16720050
I'm not the person you're arguing with, but that concept is really accurate to the story of Emperor Gong of Jin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Gong_of_Jin

>>16720050
>presupposing Christian ethics in an attempt to prove Christianity
Why are christcucks incapable of rational thought?

>>16719960
What's the guiding principle and purpose of Abrahamic religions? Suffer in this world so you can live it up for eternity in heaven? where's the purpose in that? Leasure in the next world isn't any less meaningless than this one.

>>16720073
Never said suicide was martyrdom, I said they were willing to suffer and die for their "faith" same as Christians.
>fatty, fatty
So this is the intellectual power of Christianity. Stop projecting, tubby

>>16720081
>heaven
>anything other than the soul's reunion with God
Peasantcore grasp of theology, little buddy.

>>16720089
>n-no u
You are literally too stupid to talk to. Are you underage, or are you this stupid as a grown adult?

>>16720077
>prove that you're right in my gay little worldview which a priori disqualifies your rightness
How about instead you suckle my cock

>>16720104
Come back when you come up with a real argument, brainlet

>>16720110
So this is the kind of magnanimous virtue and righteousness that can only be reached through Christ

>>16720093
>anything other than the soul's reunion with God
The bible and Quran both have the specific pleasures of heaven defined in them. Religion is mostly to control peasants in any case, so their grasp of it is the most relevant.

>>16719909
Yes, in the context of the Christian God at least. If you believe in him and follow by his rules then you are given eternal life in heaven however, if you don't believe in him then you don't have to follow very strict rules. Now if you are agnostic you dont abide by either so you don't get salvation or "liberation"

>>16720180
>these are the people who think they are intelligent because they're christian

>>16715134
Atheism is the opposite of liberty retard, though I'm sure you know that

>>16720180
Being agnostic doesn't mean you have to follow the rules of a particular religion. I am agnostic because I don't know for sure whether there is a divine being or not, but i'm quite sure that the Christians don't know either

why do theists resort to calling you mean names when you imply santa 2 isn't real? Do you not have faith in santa 2?

>>16720008
are you that afraid of suffering? life is short, death is final, might as well enjoy your brief waltz while you can rather than end it prematurely.

>>16715134
I don't understand how some people can look at the world and say 'Yea, the Christian God definitely exists and he loves us.' If there's a God, he's closer to the Gnostic demiurge than to the Christian God.

>>16715182
Holy based.

“When I became convinced that the Universe is natural – that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell, the dungeon was flooded with light and all the bolts, and bars, and manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf or a slave. There was for me no master in all the wide world -- not even in infinite space. I was free -- free to think, to express my thoughts -- free to live to my own ideal -- free to live for myself and those I loved -- free to use all my faculties, all my senses -- free to spread imagination's wings -- free to investigate, to guess and dream and hope -- free to judge and determine for myself -- free to reject all ignorant and cruel creeds, all the "inspired" books that savages have produced, and all the barbarous legends of the past -- free from popes and priests -- free from all the "called" and "set apart" -- free from sanctified mistakes and holy lies -- free from the fear of eternal pain -- free from the winged monsters of the night -- free from devils, ghosts and gods. For the first time I was free. There were no prohibited places in all the realms of thought -- no air, no space, where fancy could not spread her painted wings -- no chains for my limbs -- no lashes for my back -- no fires for my flesh -- no master's frown or threat – no following another's steps -- no need to bow, or cringe, or crawl, or utter lying words. I was free. I stood erect and fearlessly, joyously, faced all worlds.

And then my heart was filled with gratitude, with thankfulness, and went out in love to all the heroes, the thinkers who gave their lives for the liberty of hand and brain -- for the freedom of labor and thought -- to those who fell on the fierce fields of war, to those who died in dungeons bound with chains -- to those who proudly mounted scaffold's stairs -- to those whose bones were crushed, whose flesh was scarred and torn -- to those by fire consumed -- to all the wise, the good, the brave of every land, whose thoughts and deeds have given freedom to the sons of men. And then I vowed to grasp the torch that they had held, and hold it high, that light might conquer darkness still.”

>>16717478
if he has plans why bother praying?

>>16715134
Right when you said this, another guy somewhere said "after years of struggling with my atheism, i finally found God and it feels liberating..."

>>16720479
Beautiful.

>>16716054
atheists have the unique ability of coming off as even more pathetic than christians, i really hope you are a kid or something. christ!!

>>16715182
>>16715189
Lmao

>>16720479
That's how I felt when I realized nihilism. Though I still believe that there's something which can be called god, but it's not a thing that cares if you masturbate

>>16718689
behind the changeist by about 5 years

>>16716054
Please learn history before coming to conclusions

>>16717970
>is such a repressed homo that it's even obvious to completely anonymous strangers based off of one sentence

>>16715287
This is just saying how much death sucks.

>>16720461
you are 12 years old

>>16721080
Christianity makes no sense. Gnosticism is the superior belief.

>>16715182
Based

>>16715182
Nice.

>>16719814
>the only logical conclusion can be suicide.
Disagee
>There is literally no reason for me to stay here or remain attached to life in this world, neither do you.
I do have a reason. I prefer to be alive than not alive. But if we discount preferences, then I have no reason to not commit suicide but also no reason to commit suicide, making suicide hardly a "logical conclusion" in a world without an afterlife.
>So what are you actually afraid of?
Nothing?
>The same thing as everyone else: the unknown. You’re afraid of being wrong.
Not particularly? Weird attempts at mind reading.
>You aren’t much better than any Christian you criticize.
Haven't spent any time criticising Christians besides pointing out where their statements are false. The people who seem the most obsessed with finding character flaws in other people seem to be the Christians, for they seem insistent on the notion that one must be Christian or at least have a god belief of some sort in order to be truly happy. Failure to be unhappy without a god belief apparently means we aren't smart enough to understand what our beliefs imply. Except we do. We just aren't bothered by it.

>>16715561
>>16716772
No, its called liberalism and it is top cringe.