/lit/ - Literature

Yes. And as I say in every thread I see that mentions anything about this.
There's a reason why Guenon is a meme with threads and Evola is just insulted and shunned.
Evola actually puts us in the right direction and they (you know who you are), don't want that.
They want you in an commune, doing nothing but mulling over scripture.

>>16700735
What kind of action?

>>16700776
tantric action
in minecraft

>>16700776
the Arnold Schwarzenegger way

where does one learn how to shakti tantra?

>>16700773
Absolutely right.

>>16700735
Anyone got more books about tantrism?

>>16700735
>implying this is only true during the "kali yuga"

>>16700790
>>16700792
Ok so just contemplation with larp.

"Action = Contemplation
Contemplation = Opium" ~ Rene Guenon

>>16700790
>>16700792
that doesn't explain anything

>>16700735
Based

>>16700735
>In this age of decadence the only way open to those seeking the great liberation is one of action."
We have been in the Kali Yuga since 3102 BC, if that was really true then there wouldn't be so much evidence of the path of knowledge working in India for the last several thousand years, but clearly it has as demonstrated by the many who have followed it, even in the modern era like Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj; ergo this self-aggrandizing claim is not true.

>Evola saw further ahead than Guenon.
>Tantrism > Vedanta
No he didn't, Evola makes a bunch of basic mistakes in that book which show that he had a superficial understanding of the doctrines which he comments on, particularly his comments about Advaita show that he had no idea what he was talking about. There are much better books on tantra.

This is not sports teams that you take sides on and root for you fucking retard, either read the source texts or stop posting about this stuff. People who only ever read secondary sources like Evola without reading actual tantric stuff but who still feel the need to posture about muh team is better are peak hylic.

>>16700773
>Evola actually puts us in the right direction and they (you know who you are), don't want that.
You won't get anywhere playing at gay occultist D&D larping in your house like Evola, you have to be initiated by a qualified teacher to genuinely participate in a tradition
>They want you in an commune, doing nothing but mulling over scripture.
Initiation = / = renunciation. If someone is drawn to renunciation, there is nothing wrong with that. But if someone is not drawn to renunciation, there are many other paths one can be initiated in which don't typically involve renunciation, including Sufism and various Hindu sects. Tantra is not the only area of Hinduism which places an emphasis on action.

>>16700798
Go to a Sri Vidya temple in India and inquire about receiving initiation, if they can't offer it there they will direct you to someone who can provide it

>>16700892
Tantra Illuminated - Christopher Wallis

>>16701728
The tradition that can be named is not the true tradition

>>16701728
>Go to a Sri Vidya temple in India and inquire about receiving initiation, if they can't offer it there they will direct you to someone who can provide it
just go to india and ask bro.

>>16701728
>You won't get anywhere playing at gay occultist D&D larping in your house like Evola, you have to be initiated by a qualified teacher to genuinely participate in a tradition
You have no idea what you're talking about and don't understand what Tradition even is.

>>16701728
>particularly his comments about Advaita show that he had no idea what he was talking about.

Evola has a very interesting critique of Guenon's book Man and His Becoming According to Vedanta. I don't think Guenonians will ever generously admit this and instead just call Evola and idiot and authorize it with an substantiated claim that he was bad at metaphysics.

>>16702766
an idiot and authorize it with an unsubstantiated claim*

So Ev*la is recommending sex magick or what other type of "action"?
Sorry I'd rather stick with Guenon PBUH.

>>16702766
Evola’s review of that book which you are referencing contains a bunch of the same basic mistakes about Vedanta as are found in his book on Tantra. It’s clear that Evola had never read much of Shankara’s writings or he would have not gotten so much wrong about it. If you want me to I can give an example or two.

>>16703711
>>16703711
Please do give examples. I think it comes down to a matter of temperment, but vedantists can't really accept that, so they play with language and try to accuse the other of not understanding anything rather than respond to hard core of the problem rightly raised.

>>16703752
See the six posts starting with this one linked below which quote from the book review where he attacks Vedanta, Evola demonstrates a basic ignorance of the way in which Advaita relates Brahman to the world and to the individual jivas; Evola also confuses several of Advaita's positions with a metaphysics more resembling other Hindu schools like Bhedebheda and Evola also mistakenly regards various Vedantic concepts at times through the lenses of western philosophy like Hegelianism when that's not what they are actually talking about.

>>/lit/thread/S14696938#p14702867

>but vedantists can't really accept that, so they play with language and try to accuse the other of not understanding
If you believe that there is one seeming fundamental contradiction or problem inherent in the metaphysics of Advaita, then you should be able to explain that problem yourself, in an unambiguous and non-sophistic way.

>>16700776
Any and all action fundamentally energizes life.

Astrologically Theoretically speaking, the more Fire or Cardinal you add, the more powerful something becomes. Fire/Cardinal meaning Action/Motion. Add more cardinal to Libra and you get more Inter-ACTION. Add more cardinal to Cancer and you get more Re-ACTION. Add more Cardinal to Capricorn and you get more effect and actions yielded through the constant motion of time. Add more fire to Leo and you have a Stronger thing of whatever type. Add more fire to Sagittarius and you have more motion/action acquired through the dynamic functions of change.

Sitting in the sense function of Air or Water or in the inert constancies of earth will not produce active effects. Meditating in a cave and exploring the depths of the psyche for all it's worth won't bring about the next Imperium or help you sort your life out, that shit will waste your time and atrophy your spiritual and functional prowess. Too much in modern life tries to exploit whatever motions we make for clock hours to serve our economic leviathan and it leaves us no time for the more spiritually fulfilling forms of action traditional man was used to doing regularly. This pain is felt most by the Warrior, Leader and Ascetic types(although the ascetic knows this more through esoteric wisdom than direct action) and the Bourgeois or Merchant caste, and the Sudra, Plebian or Labor caste understand these pains much less as this heavily economic age is tailored to their prefered mode of existence.

TL:DR
prACTice makes you better, being an escapist hippy loser doesn't.

Fun fact:
>Evola's Natal Chart shows he had Mars in Aries indicating his mode of enduring conflict and masculine aspect was rooted in ACTION

>>16704270
>Meditating in a cave and exploring the depths of the psyche for all it's worth won't bring about the next Imperium or help you sort your life out, that shit will waste your time and atrophy your spiritual and functional prowess.

> the ascetic knows this more through esoteric wisdom than direct action

In broad strokes I don't disagree with anything you said, but that appears like a contradiction.

>>16704280
I never said that I believe the ascetic is as good as the warrior, whether Evola can use ancient literature to argue that point is entirely on him. However, we must also not forget the sacred link between the Warrior and Ascetic, the Warrior comes to the Ascetic for wisdom, guidance and psychological/spiritual training. Some are meant to teach, some are meant to act. The teachers are just as able to be aware of the issue as the student, which is all I claimed, that the ascetic types are included in those aware of the nature of the problem facing the modern world.

>>16704313
To clarify again, Evola has you working with others to yield your results and strengthen yourselves. Lone wolfing it is not something that is generally spoke highly of unless it is absolute necessity or leisure. This includes the Ascetics, Ascetics aren't just shouting hoopla at the sky, they are teachers, which is a form of action, under Libra as I previously discussed.

>>16704313
The underlying implication we should be looking at is that there are other types of action than strictly on the physical plane. Feeling and thinking are also actions; plunging into those inner worlds can be (and often is) a far more arduous experience than any material conquest. The Buddha himself attested as much, not to mention the beings and vast intelligences of the higher worlds project thoughtforms and direct cosmic forces that eventually manifest upon the physical plane in inconceivable ways

My intention isn't to pit the warrior and aestic against each other either, infact I think the very basis of warriorship is inner ascetism that rivals that of the eremite. They never cross paths since their paths are one. The Magician and the Hermit.

>>16704262
Sloppy metaphysics.

>>16704355
Thinking isn't action, it's thinking, anyone can do it, some better than others but most overthink until they become cripplingly stagnant or bonkers, Evola talks about the impulse toward evasion in "The Mask and Face of Contemporary Spiritualism" wherein modern spiritualism is 100% comprised of escapist attitudes and half truths which allow the person to find elaborate ways of neglecting their duties or the greatest actions. It is a breeding ground for weakness and there is a large portion who has no clear personality and haven't done a damn thing to actualize into the world through ANY action whatsoever. These people are autistic faggot hippies not warriors and DEFINITELY not ascetics.

It's just plain escapism for 95% of his readers that aren't already decked out with that shit since birth usually through family and gurus. Trust me I've seen it play our IRL. Even if they've read Evola they are given the choice of Warrior or Ascetic and they choose Ascetic out of a deep seated lack of personality and experience opting for the scholarly and intellectual attributes they think will help them but will only hurt and scramble them the same way Philosophy did. Action is MANDATORY for all types, there is a reason the warrior is below the ascetic, that is because a proper ascetic has the foundations of a warrior and the proper warrior has the foundations of an ascetic. However the Warrior path above all will train one to wield the action and much more of that is needed than that of Teachers of an inverse complementary quality.

TL:DR
If Evola or ANYONE had to tell you, that were an ascetic you are not at ascetic.

If the Universe isn't sending you warrior types you can always seem to help and embolden you are NOT an ascetic.

If you haven't already had several deep mystical experiences which compelled you to action by the age of 12 you are not an ascetic

I know actual Ascetics, they are very very very rare types and not usually even the type to have read or dealt with Evola except peripherally. They also aren't deluded retards or schizos trying to be something they're not.

Not trying to discourage anyone because you can definitely learn from aspects of it but in my experience and in the experience of many of those around me the ascetic thing is an escapist larp that you can easily sense to be faulty before you even begin. Just be a warrior you'll feel alot better actually hardening yourself and getting shit done instead of being a deluded fuckup.

>>16700892
Tantric Traditions - Gwendolyn Taunton

>>16704411

>>16704665
Ironic because Stefan Molyneux has probably the shittiest understanding of metaphysics out of any "philospher" I've ever seen. He's not a philosopher, he's a Marxist Lolbertarian faggot.

>>16704675
>He's not a philosopher, he's a Marxist Lolbertarian faggot.

>>16704712
Well it's not supposed to be an argument. It's the truth

>>16704528
>and haven't done a damn thing to actualize into the world through ANY action whatsoever.
To measure the fruits of spiritual practice by their manifestation in the exterior world is to forget the whole point of them in the first place, it is a modernist and materialist attitude to spirituality

tantric semen retention

>>16704528
What does being a warrior entail?

>>16704262
>>>/lit/thread/S14696938#p14702867
>*tips fedora*, also in the writings of Shankara many arguments also used by classic western theologians like Aquinas etc come up here and there where he points out that another explanation other than God for the universe like naturalistic atomism and the Buddhist theory are all untenable for various reasons.

Please elaborate
Im currently studying aquinas and i'm curious of ur claim

>>16706968
Just stop being a pussy and work towards tangible shit. Develop a healthy sentimentality that keeps you spiritually healthy and is centered around action and maintaining a principle without being stagnant.

If you're looking for specifics you're missing the point.

>>16706124
You can still work towards goals after death but the point is to focus on the tangible because it's a type of spiritual training ground highly neglected nowadays. If you want to spend the whole time being a deluded retard playing in imaginary worlds go to a magic discord so you can argue with schizos about who's spirit animal has a thicker chode and more frost resistance.

Evola was real, Religion is real, modern spiritualism is escapist dementia.

>>16701728
>this is not a sport team that you take sides on
Yes it is. That's EXACTLY what it is. Why else do you waste your time memeing about some random French guy who LARPed as a Sufi mystic and namedropped an obscure Hindu atheist heresy?

>>16707121

Read this article on sci-hub for an overview of that topic.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40343828?seq=1

Shankara uses the teleological argument from design in his Brahma Sutra Bhasya, and in the same text he also uses the ‘first-mover’ cosmological argument against both the insentient pradhana and the insentient atoms which are both considered to be the cause of the universe by the Samkhya and Vaisheshika schools respectively. Lastly, the Advaitin Gaudapada, the author of the Mandukya Karika, as well as Shankara in his commentary on that text both use a type of cosmological argument involving causation to argue that the Buddhist doctrine of dependent origination is unable to sufficiently provide a coherent explanation for the origin of the universe.

>>16708410
Ty anon
What do u think of thomistic metaphysic?

>>16707418
>but the point is to focus on the tangible because it's a type of spiritual training ground highly neglected nowadays
Why should it be the point of spirituality to focus on that which is not spirit?
And in what way is it highly neglected? It is surely the opposite in fact, that in their desire to reduce everything to a neat scientific and psychological basis and in their drive to reduce the value of all things to a quantitative value that modern westerners have totally neglected the inborn human capacity to intuitively discern suprarational and supersensuous truths. This neglect is so pronounced that countless people are unaware of or even doubt that they have this capacity. Until people are introduced to or taught these higher modes of non-discursive understanding the tangible is actually the only ground they have available to them.

>If you want to spend the whole time being a deluded retard playing in imaginary worlds
This is how Evola spent the remainder of his days, and this is how you too will spend them if you try to play at esoterism and related spiritual practices without actually being initiated into a valid tradition who can teach you the real, non-larping version of spiritual practices. Also,
it’s amusing that you use the word imaginary to refer to the non-physical, it’s almost like you have a subtle materialist bias which shows through from beneath your infatuation with Evola.

>modern spiritualism is escapist dementia
I’m not talking about modern spiritualism, I’m talking about the fact that spirituality by default pertains to the non-physical unless you wrongly equate matter with the spirit, and so your attack on the spiritual as such for not being a “matter-focused” spirituality just shows that not only do you not understand the metaphysical but you are evidently lost in confusion over the basic meanings of the terms you use.

>>16708652
Not that anon, but you don't neccesarily need to be part of physical organization these days to reach degrees of initiation. Occult practice in this time boils down to forced evolution whose methods evolve like anything else.

I agree with you regarding the anon you're arguing with. He's obviously excited about what he just read from Evola, which is fine, but you can tell he's not that alert of anything beyond that, so imo don't spin your wheels too hard with him.

Ahh, what a good thread of arguing. What frens care for a coffee with me?

>>16708837
Thanks pepe, just slonked a coconut/blueberry/coffee slurry.

>>16708652
>it's not like that bro, it's actually like this instead
>why can't things be the way I want them to
>lol Evola wrote a bunch of books calling people to action that definitely wasn't action cause he was paralyzed and used a pen
>lol bro why not just believe EXCLUSIVELY in shit that isn't and can never be there, that's how you do spirituality, nope no risk of becoming deluded or anything
>haha nope the divine doesn't express itself at all through the material, nothing to see here in the material, but lemme make an exception for some composite book made by desert goblins
>lol bro calling the unreal shit in my head that I've chosen not to act into existence but literally just imagine in my head, imaginary, makes you a materialist and me smart
>you do not understand the metaPHYSICAL even though of the two of us you're the only one who's even put actions in and of the physical into consideration meanwhile I treat my immortal soul like a passive viewfinder of my minds eye(imagination)

Joosch go Back to r.eddit. This is fucking embarassing.

Gay, read real yoga

>>16701728
>so much evidence of the path of knowledge working in India for the last several thousand years
If this were the case why did the British take over

>>16708410
Why did Guenon love Aristotle so much while dismissing Plato (and Plotinus in private letters) but neo-platonists generally critique Aristotelian metaphysics ? Are Aristotelians and/or Thomists stronger metaphysically than neo-platonists for Guenon?

>>16709477
Why would you assume that the spiritual enlightenment of individual men has any relation to the diplomatic and martial histories of the nations where they live?

>>16709723
>Are Aristotelians and/or Thomists stronger metaphysically than neo-platonists for Guenon?
Ofc yes

>>16710063
Why?

>>16709135
would you like to actually post a coherent argument instead of half-assed greentext strawmen?

Sorry if this has been asked before, but could some one explain what Tantra is to me?
I'm just starting my studies with regard to Hinduism

>>16701728

>so much evidence of the path of knowledge working in India for the last several thousand years

Are you retarded?

>>16704270

Why not both.

Don’t be a homo.

>>16710173
All he replied to was strawman

Evola vs Anti-Evola arguments never get anywhere because the Anti-Evola side hasn't read the books and is dense as fuck and refuses to see around the Overton window on literally any subject mentioned.

>>16710177
An alternative Hindu sub-tradition regarded by some as partially heterodox which has been existing in parallel with the broader more orthodox tradition for a long time. In their theology they typically regard the Shaiva Agamas as being revealed texts along with the Upanishads. The Hindu Tantra came first and then Tantra became a part of Buddhism as well.

>>16710063
good

>>16710321
Hmm, much appreciated for the guidance, thanks anon I'll take a look into the Agamas to see what they say

>>16708631
I’m still not fully sure, I have not studied it closely, I agree with the metaphysics of Advaita more, which I am familiar with. Thomism and Advaita both agree that any logically consistent explanation for the origin of the existence of the world and our experience of it requires an unchanging and uncaused, infinite and sentient God. Past this there remain major differences between them. There exists a small body of published literature which attempts a possible reconciliation of their metaphysics but I have not read it. Aquinas read Boethius and Pseudo-Dionysus and some people read Aquinas as a low-key Neoplatonist.

>>16710390
Unfortunately, very little of them have been published in English translation. The Hindu Tantric primary source literature available in English seems to be mainly from the writings of the Kashmir Shaivism school, along with Shaktist scriptures and a smaller amount of stuff from some of the various other Shaivite and Shaktist sub-schools.

You can read online some recent English translations of some of the Agamas here though

https://www.himalayanacademy.com/site/search/media_type/book/tags/agama

>>16709739
I'd expect favours from the Gods, superior knowledge of the laws of reality, superior organisation of society, and supernatural powers.

>>16704270
Bless me with your knowledge, Astrolomous.

>>16710669
>Sun and Asc in Capricorn
>Moon in Scorpio
edgy boi

>>16710669
If you want my autism fine.
Use Astrotheme.com, it's much easier to piece together visually, also make sure it's the exact time and place. Also I'm watching the election rn so I can't go in depth but I'll try.

>>16710669
Fine here you go.

I guess as far as you'd describe yourself you're a normie-ish dickhead memer. Your personality is rather able and externally adjusted but your strengths of which you have a bit don't really get applied optimally. You find studying to be a very accessible hobby and a natural path of action but you sometimes botch and diminish the potential gains of such study, this is no worry. Perhaps ((("""ADHD"""))) type impulsive explosive goofball/bully tendencies as a youth. Other than your general social stability, a rough spot is you often being explosively dickish which you know you need to keep in check. You're very cherished by those close to you and you have a nourishing effect.

Pretty normal 4chan desu chart and pretty normal chart in general.

Trust me, if I saw No friends or crippling autism I'd say it. You have the typical 4channer chart build which is a little stunted for some reason but still not broken or otherwise fine depressed Doomer, of course there are also schizos and coomer neckbeards but I never seem to get those.

Thoughts?

>>16710709
I like to be edgy but if I really offend someone I'll feel bad. The edginess is to get people to react, facilitate their thinking process.
>>16710710
I used CafeAstrology.com
Entered DoB, time and city.
Descriptions sounded very self indulgent listing all "admirable traits" and this or that.
The website you suggested had the hospital I was born in as a location LOL.
Here is the updated chart.
>>16710792
Yes I am socially well adjusted although I do not exude dickhead energy, at least I think I don't. I consciously try not to assert myself onto others and treat them in an empathetic manner. I don't know how successful I am with this but when I ask others they would tell me they like telling me their problems.
I rarely talk to people outside family now anymore. Don't socialize unless I have to.
INFP 4w5, if that matters.
>your strengths of which you have a bit don't really get applied optimally.
What do you mean by this?
>You find studying to be a very accessible hobby and a natural path of action but you sometimes botch and diminish the potential gains of such study, this is no worry.
I am lazy. If there is a task I have to accomplish and I see no value in or my heart isn't in it, I don't do it at all or half ass it.
GATE kid with a near failing GPA in secondary school.
>Perhaps ((("""ADHD"""))) type impulsive explosive goofball/bully tendencies as a youth
I think people have shorter attention spans due to modern conveniences fucking with evolutionary biology.
I was on tbe recieving end of bullying but I don't hold a grudge against it. Kids just being kids.
>You're very cherished by those close to you and you have a nourishing effect.
Aw I hope.

>Trust me, if I saw No friends or crippling autism I'd say it. You have the typical 4channer chart build which is a little stunted for some reason but still not broken or otherwise fine depressed Doomer, of course there are also schizos and coomer neckbeards but I never seem to get those.
I have no autizmo but I stopped talking to all muh frenz, diverging life paths and my general lack of ambition to keep up with them. The only person I talk to on a day to day basis is my mom. It would be better if we could be on the same level for some things to have more meaningful conversation. Other than some occasional chats with relatives I really only spend time alone. I also live in one of the largest metropolitan cities in the world. I am not depressed but suffer from sort of suicidal ideation. Well maybe it's not ideation because I know exactly how I'm going to do it but I'd rather it not get to that point. It would be awful to those I'm aquainted with and the people who rely on me.
>Thoughts?
Here they are. I hope I didn't go on a tangent and apologize for talking about myself. It's something I rarely do.

Also
>keeping up with (((elections)))
No matter who wins, we lose. Private banks already control the money supply. There is no hope for anyone unless we put an end to that.

>>16710792
Can you do mine, anon? Thanks

>>16710876
Alright I'll admit it's been several months since doing this and that was a bit rusty. But from reading what you said and looking at the clearer model you gave me I see what's up now.

Based on how you replied I underweighed the Mercury in Aquarius in the first as well as the Saturn in Taurus. I also overweighed moon conjunct mars in Scorpio in the 9th (opposite saturn) which I assumed to be a sort of powerful mandated explosivity that's tough to mitigate and doesn't mesh nice with the Neptune Mercury Uranus in aquarius. I literally at a glance thought your sun was square to your mars, that's how sloppy the first pic was.

Saturn in Taurus opposite Mars in Scorpio would definitely make someone Lazy and defensive about their stillness.

Yeah I see it now, not dickhead but stubborn, gets in the way of your otherwise great mind which otherwise propells you through life. And GATE seems more accurate than ADHD now that I look at it. And your venus and sun are very very good, makes you rather likable and functionable and as I said with the venus in pisces in the 2nd "nourishing".

Sorry that wasn't so great. It's tough to draft one up in just 10-20 minutes when you're working with a hundred overlapping aspects and it's a shot in the dark. You'll be okay, find a way to put heart or mental safety nets in your work so you don't fall behind.

>>16710881
I'll try yours in a second, kind of similar to mine should be alittle easier

>>16710177
>>16710321
>The Hindu Tantra came first and then Tantra became a part of Buddhism as well.
Tantras became part of buddhist paganism, not buddhism.
Tantra is incompatible with buddhism.

>>16710881
Alright heres my best guess, should be a bit quicker:

Autistic Brad-lite warrior. I envy you. Talkative AF, Smart AF, Questioning AF. Great Athletic Prowess. Really able to grind. Widespan general morality. A bit of overwhelming dislike of the normies you are so utterly involved with.

Your mars is PHENOMENAL, and you have a grand trine in water signs and water houses with the daddiest three planets (mars, jupiter, saturn)

Aggressive self talk but it makes you stronger. Very busy but very able.

I should add you put alot of pressure (good and bad) to figure things out

>>16711162
Meant for
>>16711157
>>16710881

>>16711157
>Autistic Brad-lite warrior
lmao, accurate.

Thanks dude, appreciate it.

Redpill me on astrology.

>>16711228
Quite literally observing and measuring the effects of cosmic forces within the context of this solar system. Personal birth charts are a very small part of it.

>>16711243
Is there value to it?
What's the deal with the pyramids? How old are they?
Is orgone energy real?

>>16711246
>Is there value to it?
If you have any interest in understanding the forces setting the pace of evolution on this planet and in order to navigate these conditions effectively. Yes.

>>16711157
Not to overburden you anon but I'd be interested in hearing how this looks since I have very little knowledge of astrology. If you're busy you can just take a glance and tell me if it's horrific, promising or run of the mill.

>>16711228
Lmao just git gud.
If you want the most foundational points of understanding for me and a few tricks:

- Always start with the blend of Elements and Qualities in terms of understanding the function of a Sign, Planet or House
- Leo/Sol is the Axis by which all things spin thereby you measure aspect function from the Sun
- Angles/Aspects have unique planetary functions too, there's not just "good and bad"
- Do not wander from a uniform working meaning for each symbol that expresses itself in each part of the chart (for example, Sagittarius IS Jupiter IS the 9th house and IS the Trine Aspect. All four of those have different ways of effecting the chart but they all introduce the SAME UNIFORM THING)
- Real ProTip: the Spring signs are uniquely essential and primordial in that Fire = Cardinal, Earth = Fixed and Air = Mutable and these splice to make the other signs as we go around the chart. Capricorn(Time) is the Inversely constructed compliment of Leo(Creation), Aquarius(Fixed Ontology) is the Inversely constructed compliment of Virgo(Nature), Sagittarius(Change) is the inversely constructed compliment of Libra(Interaction).
- Aries, Taurus and Gemini are not planetary domiciles, they are too primordial, they however can be exaltation zones
- Exhaltations/Detriment etc are more complicated than the traditional view, some are spot on, others not so much.

Kind of too much to say.

>>16711221
Really? Nothing more to comment than that?

>>16711330
I'm not in the mood anymore but I'll give it a short glance and report back shortly

>>16711330
Okay since you said a general Vibe would suffice I'll give you what I can.

The best way I can generally describe the big issue I see is there's a bunch of different things forcefully and aggressively off pace. Not all of it is your fault. These things have a tendency to lead to some ruin but nothing that majorly effects (You) yourself but more so the circumstance and how you handle it.

The redeeming quality is PATIENCE and if and when you learn to control what you say and how you deal with the circumstances thrown at you. This chart overall has a lot of obstacles but the solution is clear and thorough, PATIENCE, and GOOD TIMING.

>>16711246
>Is there value to it?
yes, intellectuals always enjoy fan fictions

>>16711383
Seems accurate enough to me, I do have moments where I jump the gun and start thinking of an extreme course of action (though often without any results) or ramble for no other reason than to fill dead air. Will keep this in mind, thanks for the overview.

>>16711157
What mean?

>>16701728
You would be counter-traditional if you weren't so ineffectual at getting even a single person to listen to you guenonfag

>>16711630
I'm done for tonight but come back tomorrow and use ASTROTHEME

Also given that jupiter position probably underage bruh.

>>16711668
18

>>16711668
>Astrolomous !86ZqrHsqpc
i will post tomorrow

>>16711630
It's a match

My advice is get off this fucking website while you still can

>>16711772
>>16711775
>Jupiter in Virgo
>currently 18
>not a 2004 birth
Pffddttt
Whatever you say

Fine, I saw nothing

>>16711350
>Really? Nothing more to comment than that?
Eh, I didn't want to take up too much of your time.

But, if you don't mind, I would like to hear more about my Mars and my grand trine, I've had other astrologers mention the trine before but I never got the full context of what it all meant. Thanks.