/lit/ - Literature

>>16697172
No, I'm aware. It doesn't bother me since Christianity mostly ignore the proto-marxist elements in favor of piety.

why do people keep posting pictures of hank from breaking bad

>>16697172
>Few discoveries are more irritating than those which expose the pedigree of ideas.

Literally no one outside the doom /pol/ crossposters on this board take this guy seriously.

>>16697172
>do you think he´s right?
Yes
> how can marxists aren´t self-aware that their ideology is christianism without god as their central motif
Because they're not self-aware
>>16697220
Keep reading Harry Potter

>>16697228
>Keep reading Harry Potter
LMAO got em

>>16697172
As Christianity is the main principle of the world any ideology is just a sacular haresy of it. Doesn't matter what your ideology is, it is defined through its relation to christ

>>16697217
This is my favorite subject though

>Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism

Zoroastrianism*
And you can thank gold’s symbolic representation of the sun for conflating money with salvation

>>16697269
>sacular haresy

>>16697282
No, you mean Judaism. The Zoroastrian aspects of Christianity are not the issue.

>>16697282
Aquamarine-pill me on Zoroaster anon

>>16697290
You retarded polfags will miss no opportunity

>>16697191
have sex gifs

>>16697295
Judaism is the religion of immanence par excellence, which extends to the worship of the material.

>>16697172

Bolshevism is saturnalia
The hammer of the demiurge
The scythe of Chronos - saturn
The star - the second sun - saturn

Yes. Bolshevism is just a minor heresy of Liberalism, which itself comes from Enlightenment thought. Liberalism comes from Protestantism, which comes from Christianity.

In terms of "Social Justice", Moldbug is the usually cited as the first one to try and put an explicit genealogy to it, but if you actually read his stuff he's pretty clear that he's just citing Albion's Seed plus theology. Tl;dr

>Catholicism
>Martin Luther -> Lutheranism
>Calvinism
>English Dissenters
>(agree and amplify with the Jacobins, who will OBVIOUSLY drop their atheism and convert to Protestantism on the spot once devilish Popism has been destroyed in Continental Europe)
>Puritans
>Progressives
>Social Justice

Prussian Socialism branches off of Calvinism (with "Pietism" as an intermediary nodule along the way), and from Prussian Socialism (with influence from Liberalism) comes Bolshevism.

>>16697337
>moldbug
Ah yes, the great thinker

>>16697349
He's not wrong in this regard though is he?

>>16697324
>MUH saturn
Jooch please go

>>16697337
>>16697361
Moldbug is irreligious/ anti-religion and has no idea what being religious actually means. The social justice movement has nothing to do with Christianity. As Ortega y Gasset predicted in the 30s future "morality" would pride itself on its explicit lack of a moral framework. Social justice movement is not religious because it is based on non-belief, that nothing is real and everything is a construct. The real pedigree of this movement is to be found in the philosophies of William of Ockham, Descartes, Locke, Kant, among others who interpret the world as a creation of the mind. The history of the last 1000 years is the slow liberation of European thought from Plato and Aristotle, who both believed in a "real" world independent of human existence. From William of Ockham on the "real" world becomes more and more a mental construction, until you get to the modern social justice movement who believe everything is a social construct and nothing is true. Moldbug is a very surface level thinker who can't see the actual forces that move world history. They are hidden from view and require someone who is not a strict materialist to interpret.

>>16697420
You're completely and utterly wrong. The idea that Social Justice is some bizarre rejection of Aristotle and Plato and instead an embracing of Ockham is ludicrous. It's Christian to the core
>b-but there's no Jesus
So?

Moldbug is only useful for doing the grunt work for us. David Gelernter, Geroge McKenna, Richard M. Gamble, R. J. Rushdooyn, Pitcher Hitchen's, Theodore Dalrymple, George Packer, Anthony Lukas, Richard Ellis, Arthur Lipow, and Gordon Woods are the actual men who matter in this discussion, and all of them agree that there is an intellectual chain between Calvinism and Social Justice.

Richard Price was an actual Puritan who wrote on this subject, by the way. He wrote absolutely glowingly about the Jacobins, and would adore Social Justice. Moldbug also cites Murray Rothbard and Steven Pinker who also explicitly support this thesis, albeit from the completely opposite end of the spectrum that I'm at (they think that this chain of genealogy from Calvinism to Social Justice is actually a GOOD thing because oy vey).

We were created by God (Simulators, or just flat out God but not the Christian God), we are inherently evil and sinful (Whiteness), our sin causes evil in the world (racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, whatever), we can only mitigate sin through ritual acts of piety and holiness (donating to the ADL, fighting racism, yelling at grandma at the dinner table). We can never get rid of sin (everyone generates Whiteness, even coal black Bantu in the Congo). We can only hope to transcend our humanity in order to achieve a state of perfection (socialism, or computer brain upload). Eventually, the world will be destroyed because of our evil (climate change).

At no point in any of this is Jesus required, because this is all what Christians post-Jesus believe.

>>16697420
Oh my god who fucking cares about all this stupid shit, shut the fuck up

>>16697457
yeah, the "no jesus means no transcendence how can this be christianity" thing is kind of silly because there's none of that in calvinism. that's the entire fucking point of calvinism: you're evil, you're sinful, you can never fix this, you can just hope that you were one of the 144,000 people that god decided get to be the elect. there is no transcendence, there is no forgiveness, you can never unfuck yourself.

if social justice comes down to us from calvinism, why wouldnt that exact same thing come with it?

What is it about schizo orientalist larpers that this board finds so endearing? He and Guénon are jokes.

>>16697511
Spengler isn't an orientalist.

>>16697511
Why do you feel the need to post, when you don't know anything about the writers or their books? Spengler wasn't orientalist.

Spengler was right about everything

Very similar to what Hitler said in table talks. But he insisted that Jesus was a galilean.

>>16697562
I know of this one communist.
Told me the biggest communist was Jesus.

>>16697605
I've had a priest tell me that Jesus was type of communist

>>16697305
>Judaism is the religion of immanence par excellence

>>16697172
How can one man be so unbelievably based

>>16697562
>>16697619
>>16697172
>>16697228

Those who break the commandments in order to do good are not Christian or true Jews. I don't see how those who declare themselves Christians and then do horrible things can be considered Christian and ultimately connect the religion to another.

Matthews 21 : 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

That verse addresses the gentile question that an anon said the NT lacked.

>>16697605
>>16697616
that's too stupid, by Marx and Engels self-admittily were inspired by bible and Christianity

>>16697337
To equivalate the mediation, with its original totality and not just with all which is not negated, says you're a fucking nigger; nazism is the same as communism and capitalism... but oh no, you wouldn't say that; cause dialectics works whenever you want it... retards.

Dialectics are bullshit if used to conceal the identity of any enitity by the way; it only should be use to stablish possitive connections; but those possitive historical connection don't imply the totality of the being at stake you moron.

>>16697680
these stormfags deserve be beaten to death by antifa.

>>16697691
Did you get lost on your way to /x/?

>>16697649
Well the obviously answer is that the #woke jesus-was-a-commie-no-really-come-to-church-please types are sell outs.

>>16697703
suck my dick retard; i don't give a fuck if you're blind to originality.

>>16697616
A communist told me that Jesus was the biggest communist of them all.

>>16697680
I'm pretty sure the priest just tried to make religion seem cool though

It is. Someone who seeks justice, who defends the laborer, the miserables, the weak, against exploitation and tyranny, who despairs about people not having what to eat, that kind of person is my twin soul.

Socialism is the heresy of Judah Iscariot and the temptations in the wilderness, it's in the beatitudes, the core of the gospels. That's what makes it so charitable and so dangerous at the same time. The higher a truth is, the harmful it's corruption. Someday communists will recognize this, and for the love of their brothers, the same love it lead them to become disciples of Marx, they will turn themselves to be apostles of Christ.

>>16698002
*the more harmful

>>16698002
>It is. Someone who seeks justice, who defends the laborer, the miserables, the weak, against exploitation and tyranny, who despairs about people not having what to eat, that kind of person is my twin soul.
The end goal of Christian theology(and one could say, teleology resulting from it) is foundation of behemoth totalitarian superstate.

Go to Hel with this "justice"

>>16697511
You just humiliated yourself

>>16697715
lmao

>>16697625
It's the baldness

>>16697562
>bro look at these 5-10 vague to the point of schizophrenia overlaps between scripture with dozens of books and some quack's extremely vague manifesto, therefore same
Vehemently anti-Christian neo-pagans and atheist libertarians are a scourge on modern thought and deserve nothing less than total extermination.

>>16698032
Go to Hell with your manic and masturbatory dreams of eternal backstabbing in pursuit of endless-growth capital, you horned-fedora-wearing profiteer snake.

>>16698032
>behemoth totalitarian superstate.
The kingdom is not of God, God is the kingdom.

>>16697220
spengler is unironically one of the most important thinkers of the 20th century

>>16697477
>you can just hope that you were one of the 144,000 people that god decided get to be the elect.

>>16697220
>literally the pioneer of civilizational analysis and the civilizational approach to historical studies
>one of the greatest philosophers of history

you should neck yourself.

>>16698435
>I don't know shit but I like to pretend that I do online

>>16698829
cringe not an argument seethe and cope

>>16697172
Offspring can turn on retarded. Also, ranters and levellers.

>>16698867
I bet he won't even dilate, either.

>>16698435
I'd count Schmitt up there too.

>>16697649
There's pacifistic socialism.

>>16697703
Jesus wasn't a commie and I'm sure he would have a lot of negative things to say about the ideology as a whole but the way the church operated according to his teachings was much, much closer to socialism than to capitalism. You can't really argue what political ideology he would have had though since politics are generally secular or distort theology.

>>16698435
>>16698814
>some rat looking kraut that doomers pulled out of irrelevance
>important
Bro, seek sunlight.

>>16697220
Try harder glow nigger

>>16697172
>Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism
I'd like those who are into Spengler to be aware that Spengler is talking of Christian theology with relation to western scholastic, not those who came before them (say St. Augustine and those who were of the Megian culture). In this regard Christianity is an alien body to the west all while being something the west did take for its own due to it being able to morph its messages and find parts that applied to the Faustian soul. I do not discredit either Bolshevism or Christianity due to both being Faustian (to which is absurd) but dislike one (Bolshevism) due to it being an autumn form where as Christianity is a spring form (or at least the way the west views it now).

>>16697220
Most people on /pol/ dislike him because he disliked Nazism. His ideas are more in line with Nietzsche who he takes as one of his major influences. A lot of people during his era attempted to refute his ideas or build upon them, he is rather obscure today because people assumed he could not be right due to the fall of Fascism (which they thought was Caesarism), but given the state of the US today his ideas are once again becoming popular due to them threatening to prove him right.

>>16697337
I think Moldbug should have read Spengler given his genealogy of Bolshevism was more or less easily known by those who read Spengler less of a genealogy of it as an ideology but the ideas of the west in general. I think in this regard he is rather shallow and if he was able to contextualize and universalize his ideas they would have been more strong.