/lit/ - Literature

>>16651515
Christianity is the most based religion and causes the most kvetching

>>16651515
At the end of your journey you'll end up returning to accepting Christ.

Islam is delusional. Buddhism is a larp. Judaism is a cult. Paganism is a meme. Atheism is a cargo cult of science.

>>16651515
>Atheism is horrible and just leads to nihilism.
id say Christianity has the same tendency to lead to nihilism, see Ecclesiastes. The only thing stopping one is faith in God. A faith which is continuously put into question by the human experience.

>>16651515
>New Age Paganism is cryptoatheism
No, and if you sincerely think that you simply haven't done your research or looked past the superficial internet larpers that dont represent the whole or more nuanced practitioners.

>Christianity a jewish religion
I hate to burst your bubble but its not actually the Jew's

Also you have reposted this same thread on both /pol/ and /x/ like 4 times already make up your fucking mind. (pic related) or Guneon is probably what your looking for anyways.

>>16651515
I would suggest you get into Hellenism, but if you aren’t Greek then you can fuck right off. So instead, I will suggest you research your ancestry and the traditional pre-Christian religion of your people.

>>16651582
Go Back to Facebook pls

>>16651515
lol just get a hobby, retard

>>16651515

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/284753156/#q284753156

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/282215699/#q282215699

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/281567112/#q281567112
Its word for word spam by the same Greek "anon" and in every thread hes a 1 post by this ID

Gay B8 man

>he thinks he understands Christianity and Judaism
>he hasn't read the Gnostics, or studied to Ogdoad or Kabbalah
You know nothing.

>>16651995
kek. fuk u

>>16651584
Well that's the whole point. The spiritual world is the one that gives meaning.
>>16651601
I'm Greek.
>>16651573
Alright
>>16651678
I have a hobby.
>>16651688
It's not bait, I just made the same thread many times. My ID changes because most Greeks don't have a stable IP

So you're shopping for a religion and your criteria is "I have to be able to retain all the hatred and prejudices I had before"

Just get some ribs removed and autofellate already, or join ISIS idk

>>16652135
>I have to be able to retain all the hatred and prejudices I had before
Such as?

>>16652135
based
these people are cringe as fuck

>>16652167
Which people?

>>16652216
the "bros which religion do I pick" people
you don't just pick a religion by asking random people on 4channel of all places, try asking actual experts in various religions if you're actually interested, but these sorts of people probably aren't and are just interested in giving themselves a label

>>16651995
>you can’t understand christianity until you’ve read these heretics!

>>16652090
So then if you’re Greek get into Hellenism

>>16652233
>Truth is heresy!

>>16651515
It doesn't really matter since your the way of thinking you've demonstrated proves you're irredeemably retarded

>>16652249
I’ve written it in my other threads but I’ve signed up for the Hellenists and I just left. It just didn’t feel right.

>>16652230
I asked for any spiritual systems that would match my worldview. I intend to research and read about the proposals of anons here.
“Bros which religion should I pick” really doesn’t apply to this.

>>16652266
Could you pinpoint which part of my though process was wrong?

>>16651515
another moron asks for egoistical opinions, not knowledge. clown has difficulty choosing what to larp.

>>16652314
I’m sorry. The highest thing I search right now is knowledge. Sorry if I came off as a prick.

>>16652320
Start with Gurdjieff.

>>16652431
And then? Do you have a reading list pic?

>>16652251
>le lionsnake meme is truth
I refuse to adhere to a system of belief that derides the physical world as a prison of evil, as I enjoy much of it greatly. I don't believe I'm depressed enough to meaningfully grok the core concept.

>>16652490
>And then? Do you have a reading list pic?
holy shit figure it yourself for once you stupid nigger

>>16652280
>I asked for any spiritual systems that would match my worldview.
so you aren't looking for a religion then?
you don't find a system that fits your worldview, you base your worldview around a religious system, sounds like you just want to larp
you just want a label you can slap on yourself for cultural/political reasons, I can guarantee, otherwise you'd be researching and reading first and asking anonymous niggers on the interwebs never

>>16652490
not the other guy, but reading your posts is like looking at a younger version of myself.

you will learn that books can only give you suggestions for how to view reality. viewing everything through a black-white/yes-no/dogmatic kind of lens hamstrings you when you're actually trying to operate in the world. your thoughts are a stream-of-consciousness rather than a problem to be solved.

>>16652520
Than you truly are a hylic

>>16652694
>depressing pseuddhists escape existence and are destroyed on contact with infinity
Sounds like a win to me. Thanks, God!

>>16651515
Read THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Literally the greatest book ever written.

>>16652725
Beats infinitely spinning in the grinding grim grime of Yaldy Bady's skin.

>>16652490
okay. reading list is short. gurdjieff, castaneda, taisha abelar. but books don't give knowledge, only idea about it. no matter how much deaf people read about music, about Lennon and Mozart they will never understand music until they do hear it. also, don't waste time reading ancient texts about music (God).

>>16652520
>grok
Stop posting

>>16651515
Why subscribe to any spiritual belief? If God can be described as a benevolent being of the same essence of the Christian God, then live your life virtuously and give thanks or enjoy the gifts of whatever there is higher than you, and you will have nothing to worry about.

If you wish to become closer to the transcendent, surely you will gain a closer and more meaningful connection by forming your own ideas about the immaterial instead of adopting another belief system.

If you study other beliefs, do so as a way to help clarify and strengthen your ideas about whatever godliness/transcendent nature of the universe there is or isn't, instead of with the intention of "which one is right".

>>16651515
>I am currently studying all religions but I’m just stuck in this eternal dilemma.

The Catholic Church is the real deal, if anything is. Reflecting on the nature of the Church, Protestant and historian Thomas Maculay wrote:

>There is not and there never was on earth a work of human policy so well deserving of examination as the Roman Catholic Church.

>The history of that Church joins together two great ages of human civilization. No other institution is left standing, which carries the mind back to the times when the smoke of sacrifice rose from the Pantheon, and when cameleopards and tigers bounded in the Flavian Amphitheater.

>The proudest royal houses are but of yesterday, when compared to the line of Supreme Pontiffs. That line we trace back to an unbroken series from the Pope who crowned Napoleon in the nineteenth century to the Pope who crowned Pepin in the eighth; and far beyond the time of Pepin the august dynasty extended till it is lost in the twilight of fable.

>The church saw the commencement of all governments and of all the ecclesiastical establishments that now exist in the world; and we feel no assurance that she is not destined to see the end of them all.

>She was great and respected before the Saxon set foot on Britain, before the Frank had passed the Rhine, when Grecian eloquence still flourished at Antioch, when idols were still worshiped in the temple of Mecca. And she may still exist in undiminished vigor when some traveler from New Zealand shall, in the midst of a vast solitude, take his stand on a broken arch of London Bridge to sketch the ruins of St. Paul's.

The Catholic claim in brief: https://www.catholic.com/tract/pillar-of-fire-pillar-of-truth

>>16651515
Unironically the german naturphilosophie. From paracelsian alchemy to böhme, hölderlin, schelling and hegel. Everything went to shit since the germans lost the ww1 and the western world turned into soulless anglo world and severed from the german mysticism. This material world is the living divine reality in which the sacred is striving for its incarnation, but you are brought up into a culture which teaches you from the childhood to see it as mindless particles bouncing around for no purpose.

>>16652627
this anon speaks the truth. Quit treating religion like a fashion statement. Religion should convict, not utterly conform to your personal beliefs.

>>16651515
At the end of the world individuals such as yourself will have to quickly and stressfully decide during crisis whether to follow the Christian faith, and the noble lifestyle that it entails, or to adopt the Judaical religion of the Antichrist: Protestantism, taken to its satanistic/demonistic/paganistic extremes; no other options will be available for you.

What about gnosticism?

>>16651515
>I rejected Christianity mainly because of Nietzsche's arguments
Then you're a retard

>>16651678
Hobbies are surrogate activities.

>>16651995
I don't read nihilistic solipsists correct.

>>16651515
zen gnosticism

>>16652761
I'll do as I like, faggot.

>>16651573
Islam is more based and causes more kvetching in the long term.

>>16651582
Islam is completely reasonable.

>>16652233
Orthodox heresy is still heresy, just because daddy pope says jesus was immaculately concieved doesn't mean it's true.

>>16652266
The holistic approach is the way of God. He gave us all this shit to look through for a reason.

>>16652739
It's not a single work, its an anthology. The Qur'an is the greatest book ever written (well maybe its an anthology too)

>>16653055
People whine that God's morality doesn't agree with their own, that no true god would cause for genital mutilation (which is FUCKING based). These people burn.

>>16653422
The only gnosis you need is that given in Qur'an.

>>16651515
Raw Platonism or Gnosticism

>>16651601
>I would suggest you get into Hellenism, but if you aren’t Greek then you can fuck right off.
had a giggle irl with this sentence mate.
>suggest hellenism to random anon on anonymous imageboard that could be of any race in the whole world, which is a numerous
>if u not specifically greek then fuck off

and yet...
>somehow hit the mark he's greek after all
astounding..

>>16651515
>Atheism is horrible and just leads to nihilism.
... and? Isn't that a good thing?

>>16651515
>worship the God of the Jews
>literally worship an effigy of a Jewish guy
>religion has enabled toleration of Jews that was unprecedented in pre-Christian Europe
>claim not to be Jewish
I’ve heard the argument that Jews weren’t bad until after they rejected Jesus before from coping Christians. The first true history book ever written in Europe suggests at the very start that a war might have been started with a false flag by Semitic merchants. They were always that way.

>>16651515
Why can’t you conceive of a non-personal God, a true God free from humanist constraints like all the beliefs you mention?

>>16651515
Either go vaishnavist, non-denominational christian, or orthodox/catholic. The rest are shit tier. Especially buddhism. Buddhism is like the sugar free version of coke. It may seem healthy at first but it will give you cancer.
t.no longer a buddhacuck

>Apart from Christianity, what other spiritual systems are there for me to follow?
Literally thousands. Muh unbroken lineage is a meme made up by traditiontards

>>16651597
Thats a shit book for some commie globalist project. Perennialism is gay.

>>16652431
Shit author

>>16651601
How would he know if he's Greek?

>>16655875
this is your mind on larpaganism

>>16655940
>impersonal
>God

pick one faggot

>>16655989
Cope harder, crypto-Jew. You obviously can’t argue with those points. Not a pagan, atheist or Muslim by the way.

>>16651573
>Christianity is the most based religion and causes the most kvetching
*Islam

>>16655994
>his “God” is personal
>he thinks he’s any better than the pagans

>>16652280
>that would match my worldview
Lol you aren’t even looking for truth. Fuck off /pol/ LARPer

>>16651515 Luke 12:13-21
>Then one from the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.”

>But He said to him, “Man, who made Me a judge or an arbitrator over you?” And He said to them, “Take heed and beware of [c]covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses.”

>Then He spoke a parable to them, saying: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded plentifully. And he thought within himself, saying, ‘What shall I do, since I have no room to store my crops?’ So he said, ‘I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build greater, and there I will store all my crops and my goods. And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry.” ’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided?’

>So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.”

Material success does not ultimately lead to lasting satisfaction and can and will be taken away, either throughout your life or at the end of it. Seek after the only source of water that will eternally quench, seek the incarnate Logos.
>Jesus answered and said unto her, "Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst"

>>16652627
No I just think that my other beliefs are true so a religion should also match my beliefs to be true.

>>16652556
You have anger issues lmao

>>16651515
>Many people here call Christianity a jewish religion
What is the point of this statement?

>>16656162
If your beliefs are that firmly held and truly solidly founded, then you don’t need a religion

>>16653330
I’m a baptized Orthodox Christian
>>16652936
I’ll look into this

>>16653502
Why?
>>16653732
I don’t want to deny the world
>>16655097
Kek
>>16655691
If you’re a nihilist just kill yourself honestly. It’s a neutral move.
>>16655875
>religion has enabled toleration of Jews that was unprecedented in pre-Christian Europe
That’s completely retarded though. Jews had really good relations with Romans in some time periods. Some emperors converted to judaism as well I think.

>>16655946
I’m baptized Greek Orthodox Christian.
>>16655947
I mean ones that aren’t cucked

>>16656185
Most of my beliefs are now completely founded.
>>16656121
> Material success does not ultimately lead to lasting satisfaction and can and will be taken away, either throughout your life or at the end of it.
That doesn’t mean it’s bad. Material success allows for a more comfortable life where one can pursue happiness without burdens.

>>16656185
Not at all lmao. I have no spirituality at all.

>>16652858
That image is so retarded. It's almost like the writings of people who agreed with the mainstream church were the writings which were preserved. Also Augustine is further removed from Christ than Arius and Pelagius and fucking Marcion for that matter - did they then have better access to Christ's teachings than him?

>>16652858
The Orthodox church also calls itself "Catholic". That isn't exclusive to the Roman Catholic church. Nothing in that image points specifically to the Roman Catholic church considering it didn't even exist yet in any of those writings.

>>16651515
Why do you even need religion?
For understanding of physics - there is science.
For understanding of metaphysics - there is philosophy.
For the stories, there are tons of superior ones. Iliad, for example.
Religion excels at none of this.
The only thing left is just a tool of control based on people's fear of death, fear of the unknown, jealousy and weakness. And, by its nature, it continues to cultivate these traits.
And hence, we come to the conclusion, that religion is not only unnecessary, but is destructive even.
I hope you'll overcome this cancer, OP.

>>16656704
>For understanding of physics - there is science.
For understanding of metaphysics - there is philosophy.

lol

>>16656708
Am I wrong?

>>16656719

>>16651597
/thread

>>16656731
Not an argument. Answer the question, bitchboy.

>>16656737

> Answer the question, bitchboy

>>16656748
I said "answer the question", not "post a picture of yourself"

>>16656719
>Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me
>Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

>Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddling-band for it, And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors, And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
>Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
>Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth? Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death? Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
>Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof, That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof? Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
>Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war? By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
>Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder; To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man; To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth? Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew? Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it? The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
>Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
>Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee? Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

I could go on. You were BTFO 2500 years ago

>>16656767
Give a name the of this work, so I could find it in modern English. I can't discern this ancient shizobabble.

>>16656811
It's Job 38 you dumb kek

>>16656815
There's a reason I only sent him memes. Peak hylic.

>>16656815
So this wall of text comparable with leftist meme can be summed up to this:
>One can't know everything, to claim to know everything is foolish
Well, I'm quite aware of this. That's why I trust the scientific method to get informed about knowable and the philosophy to cope with the unknowable.
But people of religion surely are the ones, who know everything, right?

>>16656899
>t. atheist
lmao
send me peer reviewed evidence that you aren't a cuck

>>16651597
>Guneon
Who is he? Google doesn't have any results.

>>16656899
Why do you trust the scientific method and philosophy?

>>16657002
Based and TAG-pilled

>>16656899
>That's why I trust the scientific method to get informed about knowable

>>16656704
science is a state sponsored and enforced religion you tard monkey

>>16657002
In order to become a scientific law, a theory has to be empirically proven, many times. That means that scientific law is grounded in reality and is true in 99,999% if not in 100%. Scientific works are also published in a standardized way, to ensure, that that work is written in impersonal, objective way and with no obscurantism involved.
And for philosophy, I don't "trust" philosophy. It doesn't provide truth. Because it's all about unknowable. But that is a good thing! Because I'm not tied to one "truth", I can choose. Yeah, that's something that religioncucks can't afford. I can just choose the interpretation that makes me feel good, that seems the most reasonable to me or that will be useful for my life.
TL,DR: Science is the most objective, philosophy is the most subjective, no in-between, unlike religion.

>>16657000
This guy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Gu%C3%A9non

>>16656199
>If you’re a nihilist just kill yourself honestly. It’s a neutral move.
Why should I kill myself? I like my life and right now there are no permanent problems in it that I couldn't overcome. Absence of meaning is not a problem, it's a strength.

>>16657638
Death is a permanent problem you can't overcome. When you are sad enough, just pull the trigger faggot. Go back to that eternal oblivion of yours.
All the liberated "nihilists" who feel great about "life not having any meaning" end up pursuing degeneracy and being hedonistic perverts.
You will never give yourself to an idea higher than yourself because you believe that you won't be alive to experience it yourself. Most nihilists would flee to another country if a war broke out.
And no I'm not generalizing.

>>16651515
Just associate urself with virtues you deem as valuable and make that your life's mission to succeed in maintaining those virtues. Stop being spooked by spiritual labels nothing good comes out of that. Learn from what Jesus did as a person and philosophically think about his actions. You don't need to believe in his spirituality. This applies to any religious sect. Learn mythologies, religions, and find valuable people you can model yourself as.

>>16658233
Untrue, you can value spiritual and aesthetic properties as well if you are nihilistic in an active sense and not a passive sense. Active as to mean to do something in reaction towards nihilism. This could mean to find your own virtues and fulfill them based on your own authentic values. You can find these virtues in heroes you believe in within history, reality, myth, religion, or in fiction.

>>16651995
Where did you start with Kaballah; I've read the Nag Hammadi Library in full along with the Gospel of Mani.