/lit/ - Literature

Hemingway's collected short stories.

Think about the ways in which you want your apartment to look. Make it into a home, not just a living space.
If you need furniture and stuff go to flea markets, if you don’t know of any check hibid auctions online. I got half of my furniture from there, and it’s all great quality (mostly antique too)

>>16645660

>>16645660
>>inb4 take meds
No one is going to suggest this here. This isn’t /sci/

>>16645674
It's already furnished, renting it from a family friend
>>16645671
>>16645675
ty

>>16645686
Walt Whitman

>>16645695
Leaves of Grass?

what should i read to motivate me out of polio

>>16645683
i would

>>16645702
i see your point anon, except i have been diagnosed many times as a major depressive but i simply cannot accept that fact so i continually delude myself into thinking it all has to do with my diet, social life, living condition, etc. i have never accepted that diagnoses and probably never will

The Human Condition by Thomas Keating

>>16645660
Go outside, every day, at least half an hour, no excuses. Not just going outside to get groceries, but going outside to appreciate nature, watch the birds, watch people (make sure you're handsome before trying that last one). Sign up for some club in your area, pottery, sailing, book club, whatever, just make sure you talk to the people there. What book is irrelevant, in fact so long as you aren't wasting away watching TV/playing vidya 8 hours a day you can do/read anything. If you do watch TV only watch shows that develop you as a person (I switch on the teleshopping channel every morning to better understand American culture). Get some sunlight anon, you can do it! Develop your rhetorical skill so that you can BTFO the overly critical voice in your head, that worked very well for me

>>16645660
nothing you can read will help you if you are the type to not let yourself be fooled. it’s something you have to figure out for yourself.

>>16645751
thank you anon, will go reading by the river tomorrow

>>16645660
Stirner.

>>16645660
>motivate me out of major depression
Why? It's the normal state. The jolly idiots tumbling into disappointment are the abnormal ones.

>>16645699
That’s a good one.
Walking by Thoreau is good too

>>16645751
This is dummy good advice. Listen to this guy

>>16645717
right ok.
acceptance is the first step though isn't it. c'est le premier pas qui compte. i've had friends who have found antidepressants very helpful. up to you tho

>>16645751
This is good advice. Go outside and find a hobby. I took up archery a few years ago and am going hunting this year, I’m excited. Whether I get something or not doesn’t really matter to me, the act of it will be good for me mentally, I think.
Limit your time online, try and interact with people irl.

>>16645846
Yeah I’ve tried all types of anti depressants. They work for a bit, then they inevitably fail. Now I’m convinced (or deluded) that antidepressants are fake happy pills that are being stuffed down everyone’s throats to make us subservient. Idk

>>16645660
drink 3 or 4 double vodka cokes and listen to asap rocky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzKoDBuY2PI

>>16645660
A man asleep
It is the most depressed book I have ever read but at the same time it shows you how shitty depression is and it helps you get out of it

>>16645660
Spinoza, The Ethics

>>16645869
yeah i think you're right (though perhaps not in the way you mean). i've never been on seratonin longer than a fortnight but i think that kind of fake happy pill is always the best thing to do in that kind of situation, provided you can do it. just what the doctor ordered as they say.
since we're on lit i'll add helen gave telemachus and menelaus the good drug ten thousand years ago & it was the best antidote for tragedy

>>16645660
take meds.
few people actually have the mind power to "motivate themselves out of" major depression. especially during a pandemic. but in the meantime yeah try to do the healthy normal person stuff whenever you find the willpower.

>>16645761
Antinatalist?

>>16645751
>make sure you're handsome before trying that last one
That's precisely the reason why I don't go outside.

>>16645774
lol. humans weren't intended to live with major depression

>>16646006
don't listen to him on that. you don't have to be handsome to go outside.

>>16645660
Seneca's letters

>>16645751
only weirdos watch people. cool people don't watch people they look through them.

>>16645671
fpbp

>>16646006
"handsome" doesn't matter so much as looking clean and non-threatening and wearing nice clothes.

>>16645660
Gross physical labour. /fit/ is better than /lit/

>>16645660
it depends, you shouldn't rule out meds entirely cuz if your depression is down solely to a serotonin deficiency/tolerance caused by chemical imbalances in your brain, then only meds can really correct that. try what you feel will work man, for some people routine changes can fix it, for others it takes meds. just use trial and error. best of luck and godspeed

>>16645660
Books that will give you applicable knowledge. Simply focus on learning how to do things that will improve your life and have a purpose when doing so.


>>16645751
Suggesting Vacuous enterprises because you cannot conceive of any real solutions to life.
>muh bird watching
>muh gayclub socializing
Why not just tell him to kill himself since that is essentially equivalent to what you're suggesting.

>>16647924
t. stembug

>>16645660
OR you know, you could go outside. Memes aside, a walk or hike through nature always cheers me up, from city parks to mountain trails to river banks.

>>16645683
>.t hasnt taken his meds
Your pschiatric support staff have been notified, prepare to be V&.

>>16647962
t. Dreambug

>>16646006
Don't listen to that garbage. I've know fat, ugly dudes that got with beautiful women solely on confidence alone. Have a steady job and be confident in everything, humble when you need to be, and women will absolutely notice.

>>16648033
>.t stinkbug

>>16645660
Ultramind solution
The miracle of mindfulness
wherever you go, there you are
Man's search for meaning
Happiness Hypothesis
Awaken the Giant Within

>>16645766
Agreed, but also spinoza

If youre already reading then you probably dont have major depression
That just sucks enjoyment out of everything

Has anyone here actually done meds, SSRI's specifically? I was gonna go on them due to having intrusive thoughts/encroaching panic disorder but it seems to have gone away for the time being. No idea if I'll need to go on them in the future though. I'm worried about artificially changing my brain makeup using an external source, but I guess 'natural' doesn't always mean 'healthy' in the first place.

>>16645751
Very good advice

>>16648591
Im on a couple antidepressants but not ssris at the moment
I was taking an ssri before switching medication to treat insomnia, from my experience the first couple weeks i felt bursts of energy and rarely an excited feeling, but that mellowed out as my body got used to them. It was a low dose so idk

>>16645660
>>16643657

>>16648550
I don’t get any particular enjoyment out of reading, and I don’t do it often even though I’d like to

>>16645660
Exercise will produce the same shit antidepressants do. Download some audio books and go for a walk.

If you want motivation, you can only look within, outside motivation is temporary and won't last. But if you really need it watch some "epic motivation quotes" on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mZYOhYDQog

>>16645660
The Myth of Sisyphus by Camus
The Burnout Society by Byung Chul Han

Aldo teu tô go out more, practice sports and talk to a psychiatrist

>>16645660
Pic related. I'd also add "The Essential Epicurus" to the bloomer chart.

Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus or Seneca, they will teach you to cope with things out of your control and to lead a virtuous life

>>16649276

>Exercise will produce the same shit antidepressants do

No it won't. Stop watching Joe Rogan. Exercise will help with fatigue and will give an endorphin rush. It won't stop you from fucking ending it.

If exercise cured your depression, you weren't depressed to begin with, just lazy.

>>16648591

Just try it, they probably won't work but they do help with some shit.

I tried fluoxetine, it didn't help my depression at all, but it completely got rid of my OCD and crippling anxiety, which was actually burdening me way more and I didn't realise at the time.

Lots of jordan peterson's ''just clean your room and everything will be fine'' type of advices in this thread. If it was easy to stop feeling like life is meaningless, people would do it without a second thought.

>>16645660
a portrait of the artist as a young man helped me, but I've never really been super depressed

>>16649458
>If exercise cured your depression, you weren't depressed to begin with, just lazy.
Correct. "Depression" doesn't exist and you're a lazy degenerate.

>>16649513
ock boomer

>>16645751
/thread

>>16649513
pain, boredom, disease and death are waiting for you, fragile based retard. no matter how much you pick up weights. you will lose every single "credible" trait in yourself. and you will slowly watch "gains" along with your body decaying. once you will hit your peak the shit will speed up because you will start going downhill and there will be nothing in front of you but death.

>>16645751
When I had chronic depersonalization/derealization walking outside, but only if the weather and the surroundings were comfy always brought me re-realization awakenings - where I felt healthy and normal.

Ultimately what helped me was acceptance of the disease, literally ignoring it and also spending a lot of time with psychiatry books and understanding the underlying conditions... in my life I've noticed that once I understand a problem properly or know the underlying structure of something I tend to solve the problem somehow automatically.

>>16649513
Depression exists but only like 3% of people globally experience it, chronic depression leads to shrinkage in brain size and other measurable objective effects.
It's also a fact that back in 80's and now again since 2010's many experiments with psychedelics proven that this type of chronic depression has 80% cure rate, better than the best anti-depressants. Again it's not the trip, the journey that fixes you - it's the substances, I like to imagine it like a television who's losing signal and then you hit it hard and it's clear again, that's what psychedelics do to your brain.

If you want to experience depression, become addicted to coffee in considerable doses, then cold turkey quit it, you'll experience real depression (or not, but majority of people do) for few days alongside random pains in the body.

>>16649526
>/thread
how do people type this without hating themselves

>>16649458
>No it won't. Stop watching Joe Rogan. Exercise will help with fatigue and will give an endorphin rush. It won't stop you from fucking ending it.
>If exercise cured your depression, you weren't depressed to begin with, just lazy.
Friend, I'm in school right now working on my degree. I learned it from reading up to date scientific articles on the subject, I have to know this shit. Since you are obviously uneducated in the field I will explain it to you.
We don't actually know how anti-depressants work, however the leading theory is that they increase brain plasticity through a chemical called BDNF (Brain-derived neurotrophic factor) which in turn helps reduce symptoms of depression. Guess what has shown to multiple peer reviewed studies to increase BDNF levels? Literally any form of exercise, as little as 30 minutes a day will increase BDNF levels by about the same amount anti-depressants do. So, yes Joe Rogan and every other scientist educated on the subject knows that exercise is as good if not better than an antidepressant as it has no side effects.

So please stop making posts on topics you know nothing about you uneducated swine, a person of actual intelligence would not comment where he lacks knowledge.

>>16650075
science fag, once you guys study the link between depression and masturbating, going to church, taking acid, and shitting in the woods you will see all those correlations are completely bullshit. exercise isn’t healthy, you guys are just cluelessly flailing around in the dark finding meaning in patterns you don’t understand.

>>16650119
Do you actually understand what correlation is or do you just throw that word around when people post something you disagree with?

>>16650133
all science is is correlations you dumb fuck. blocked.

imo most people that think they are depressed actually aren't and should take measured steps to help themselves before swallowing meds. Most people think they are depressed because areas of their lives that are important aren't in place and they are overwhelmed about changing them.

Start small and slow, but start and make a plan for your life as you go. If you have your life sorted and you are depressed, swallow meds.

>>16650154
>all science is is correlations you dumb fuck.
Are you just trolling or are you really this foolish?
Correlation and Causation are two different things.
Exercise is not just correlated to reduced depression, it's casually linked to depression. It's not just some study of "x" people exercise and it cured their depression, we also know the exact mechanisms by which increased exercise helps alleviate depression.
The only reason why this isn't more known is (((somepeople))) would rather be making trillions of dollars a year off of retards taking meds that hardly work and cause a host of other side effects (which of course more meds can help fix).

>>16645660
This guy's books help a lot of people.

>>16650312
no, there is no causal link. that is completely made up and anybody who is actually intelligent who is reading this will know it’s the truth. science is completely incapable of establishing any causal links. exercise is NOTHING but a cultural phenomenon, animals do not exercise or need to, and IF there is any measured “benefit” from exercise it is due to you idiots pushing the idea that exercise is healthy which then in turn makes people feel better when they perform it, giving them the FEELING that they are healthy. you and all the other scientific retards and religion 2.0, you have absolutely no understanding of how the body works and you pretend to have found the truth because you are scared and you find comfort in group think.

you defending exercise is completely for your own self-interest, whether it is so you can keep telling yourself you are fighting off depression, or so that you can claim to be knowledgeable for your career in the medical industry, i do not know

>>16645660
since you mentioned an apartment, I should tell you the best thing to avoid depression: go outside

>>16650075

You're wrong and this dumb fuck advice you're peddling almost killed me by refusing treatment for the first half of my 20s and literally hiking every day of the week.

There is a real thing called depression and exercise does not get rid of it. Closest thing I ever found to "curing" depression is taking mushrooms and LSD in the woods and just surrendering to death desu.

>>16650075

>Joe Rogan
>and every other scientist educated on the subject knows

>>16645660
Most of us suffer from childhood trauma, caused by emotional and physical abuse during our early years or adolescence. Even if you were not physically abused, being emotionally abused or abandoned by your parents or society can cause lifelong pain.

This trauma impairs you as you constantly have 'emotional flashbacks'. This is when you get triggered at random moments where you regress into a non-visual state of negative emotions that take over your thoughts and shame you, make you feel depressed, etc These are the same emotions that you felt as a child when you were abandoned/abused and your present self is now seeking reconciliation.

This is imo the root cause of depression, the addictions, poor relationships with others issues that we have with ourselves. It is our unresolved trauma with our parents and society in our childhood.

I have searched for the answer for several years and have finally found the book - Pete Walker's Complex CPTSD which has tremendously helped me. Since finding the book, I am naturally not interested in browsing the internet for hours, watching porn, caring what others think, shaming myself, and self-sabotaging my life.

Eugene Onegin, Little Women and Siddhartha helped me when I was put in a mental hospital for a few weeks. Otherwise just go outside and spend some time near a lake or something. Cold winds and waterfronts are sobering.

>>16645660
Prometheus Rising
>>16646064
being a weirdo is more fun than being cool

>>16649458
The goal isnt to end it. The body is a constantly metabolizing machine, putting gas in your car doesnt solve the low fuel light forever retard.

>>16645660
feeling good by david burns, life changer anon.
almost as important, the podcast series he did on youtube.
youtube search "david burns cbt" on youtube. cognitive behavioural therapy is good overall.

Plus meditations by marcus aurelius and letters from a stoci by seneca

Working out is just a band-aid fix. Yeah no shit it will stop you from being depressed for a while but that's just because it helps take your mind off your problems. 2 hours after your workout you'll just realize that your life is still the same shit as before and go back to being depressed. Only way to fix it is to find the source of your depression whether it be some chemical imbalance or big unsolved issue in your life and fix it like a man. You're not gonna think and feel away your depression.

>>16645683
We suggest MAOI drugs, not SSRI placebo memes.

There is no fixing it; just cope the best way that you can: usually, it is the way that you have been living ever since the trauma.

>>16650181
Before meds there are still measures like the AIP diet and potentially unknown severe mineral/vitamin deficiencies that's kicking someone down

>>16650075
Stfu idiot. I spend 2+ hours on the bike and erg every day and it was zoloft, not exercise, that finally made me stop wanting to an hero on the daily.

>>16645751
>Live in the ghetto

>>16645660
Leaves of Grass

>>16652548
>>16650442
>>b-but my one anecdotal experience contracts the thousands of hours of scientific evidence

>>16645660
Mishima

>>16653751
Antidepressants don't promote the release of BDNF you absolute dimwit.

>>16653828
They do function through an increase of BDNF across the all modern prescribed antidepressants. The few where it doesn't increase function through a largely different chemical makeup and are for the most part not prescribed anymore, or only as a last effort when other antidepressants don't work for a patient.

The evidence for exercise as an antidepressant is overwhelming and is shown to have between 70-90% efficacy. Meanwhile antidepressants range from 25-50%. You'd have to be scientifically illiterate or some pill-pushing jew to think that exercise is a bad option to treat depression.

>>16653751
That experience is more worth and telling than 1000 artificial experiments and ‘research’. There is a reason most meds fail or have low success regarding depression. It is that it is all mostly a black box. Will always be.

>>16645751
>sailing
I want to get into this, but every time I look up local groups for it, it's just a bunch of strange old men

>>16653828
>>16653910
Looking at porn and doing math problems (or any other difficult mental activity) also increase BDNF, it doesn't mean shit

>>16653988
And there are thousands of people who start exercising which cures their depression. Why do you think your so special that your individual case overturns their experience and the evidence from experts in the field.

>>16654011
Yes, and actually depressed people don't fap/do math. We know what pathways through the brain it functions (it's been tested in komice), we know exactly how it works and we know that even just 30 minutes a day of exercise substantially increases it. It's effect on depression is beyond a doubt.

>>16654085
fasting/being in ketosis also increases BDNF, I guess depressed people should stop eating too?

Congratulations on your apartment, OP. That's a good step towards changing your life around a bit. Depression is tough. Sometimes it's much worse. Seems like you're in that phase now. Just think though, it never stays that way for too long. No one is majorly depressed for 10 years straight. It will improve with time, especially since you're making it clear that you want it gone and are willing to take steps towards that result. As far as meds, I refused to take anti-depressants for like 20 years of my life, thinking I wouldn't be the same person, think the same thoughts, etc. I took them to rid a lifelong of panic and anxiety problems finally and it did eventually make depression more manageable and less extreme.

>>16654085
>one cure worked for everyone else, it should work for you
This kind of doctoring kills people.

>>16654085
“We know” aka repeating bullshit you were told, while there hasn’t been a worse time in history for “mental health”. Exercise doesn’t cure depression. You don’t know how to cure depression and you are too scared to admit this so you hide behind group think because you’re another idiot who is pretending to be knowledgeable. I assume you are depressed like most mental health professionals and you have to believe you are right about this because you believe your mental states depends on it. Please kill yourself before you keep peddling your bullshit to depressed people cuck.

>>16645884
>Leaves of Grass
based nigg/lit/

>>16645751
>make sure you're handsome before trying that last one
lmao crude

>>16650181
good one anon, thanks.

>>16645660
Try starving to death. I've been more productive after brushing with death. To live paradoxically makes you make the ultimate decisions: once you choose to continue—to live—you will proceed in life earnestly. If you die, well, it doesn't really matter.

>>16654567
>>16654969
So-called "depression" is nothing but the wages of sin and trafficking with the occult.

The cure for that has been known since time immemorial:
a) Fasting.
b) Physical labor.
c) Prayer.

So yeah, you're almost close, but you're leaving out the most important ingredient.

>>16645674
>Think about the ways in which you want your apartment to look. Make it into a home, not just a living space.
Why is this important?

>>16645660
You literally just need some BBC, man.

>>16645660
You can't rely on motivation if you're depressed.

>>16645660
you're an actual fucking retarded pity-pissant nigger if you don't seek medical help. go back to crying to your doomer spotify playlist

>>16654982
Based

>>16654982
>>16655049

Raced and Bedpilled

>>16654978
Because it will generate goals that require action on your part to realize. Depression is a lack of taking action.

>>16645660
My post.

First you need love and devotion. love and devotion for humanity, you are devoted to mankind now.

Second you need acceptance. When you are depressed and under the ice, there is still joy there, although it is weak, focus on the joy and accept the depression. Do not be afraid of it for it is a vital part of the joy

Third you need stillness. Only the present moment exist, the future and the past are ideas in your head. This moment is all there ever was. the glow of your display monitor, the sunshine through your window, (or the night sky)