/lit/ - Literature

>>16614926
Destroy capitalism

>>16614926
My local library is a DNC, globohomo propaganda center I hope it fails

>>16614930

Idiot.

>>16614926

Remove all chairs within the buildings, and all computers. Set up harassment architecture. Done.

>>16614926
Fuck off back to your hole stormfag

It is a shame. I have worked in several university libraries and anyone will tell you that it's a shadow of its former self. Even the rate of book checkouts is a fraction of what it was before the internet because everyone uses online sources now. The kids use online articles and don't do research unless they absolutely have to. People only come for the free wifi. All the classic librarians are dead, or they're pushing 60 or 70 and being strongly forced to retire by the new management, which is all "Information Science" degree people who don't know or care at all about books or being a librarian.

I think they should stop trying to attract people and keep up with the times. Stick to being about books and research. Be fine with attracting only the rare few who still care about reading. Problem with that is, they need to justify their existence to the government by showing public engagement. So it's a downward spiral: every year they pander more to the plebs, they scrape by just enough public interest to get their budget renewed, but each year it's less and less.

>>16614926
Get a job in government and force your will onto the public

>>16614955
He's absolutely god-damned right though. I might actually be able to enjoy my downtown branch, the only one with anything worth borrowing, were it not for nigs and homeless. On a prior visit some nigger started nigging out, wailing at the wicked world in the highly acoustic main lobby which carries sound throughout a very large building the size of a city block. Scuffling began and it then occurred to me to ensure that I had a line of flight; a white librarian quickly walked from secure locked area to another.

>>16614940
Is this irony?

>>16614926
>they tend to attract the strays. Seventy-five percent of the patrons who walked through the entrance were there to use the computers, not to check books out.
kind of the purpose of the library's function as IT hubs.
I was always impressed that libraries were early adopters of internet access realizing the role they play in acting as repositories for information (high speed "books").

>>16614970
you need to go back too

>>16614970
Their lack of shame is one of their worst traits.

>>16614970
My library has bag checks lol

>>16614973

There's no contradiction, idiot.

>>16614979
Have you read the article? It states the PCs and internet in the library are almost exclusively used to watch netflix or play vidya.

>>16614999
Good. Library books are fucking gross in case you haven’t noticed. Sooner or later they all end up in the bathroom and a lot of libraries use those awful cheap plastic book-covers that really show the smudges and it’s just revolting. Everyone should be reading digital by now anyway, there's literally no drawback. If libraries go under, I guarantee pink-eye will cease to exist in America

>>16614999
before TV and internet, books served the same escapism.
just like today, not everyone is watching vids and playing vidya of "The Classics". they read schlock that didn't survive the test of time.

>>16615014
A child with a book on critical race theory in both hands, has no free hand with which to salute the flag

>>16615014
>vidya and books are the same yo
sounds like you'd fit right in with the crowd in the library described in the article

>>16615025
Better than spending 3 hours reading Harry Potter and then 12 hours blogging about Dark Academia like you

>>16615025
I'd rather have nogs lounging in a temple of wisdom than being porch monkeys.
there's a higher probability they'll learn something useful from osmosis.

>>16615029
Hang yourself tranny.

>>16615032
Nothing osmosied over in the last 400 years or so. I’m not sure the best parts of 50 Shades will make the jump either

>>16615029
>projection
try again, tranny
>>16615032
History has proven this doesn't happen. They only deface the temple of wisdom. Now what?

>>16615010
This.
At least now they’ll have hand sanitizer everywhere

>>16615035
>>16615050
I dunno. Make computer access more byzantine and less user friendly. In the old days of the 90s, these things required a high IQ to get working and thus were natural pleb filters. Now they are designed so any moron from a zoomer niglet to a death's door boomer can punch into it.
add more hoops till it becomes either too much of a hassle or too unintelligible to access.
that's the cynical route.

pragmatically this could be done by adding layers and layers of unnecessary "security" and encryption e.g. 3-layer protection (password, phone, email) to access a website; forcing people to have long impossible to remember passwords (!M8@4a-O/zZ!^2&aa419), etc.
In the end, a true seeker of wisdom will put up with the hassle and overcome the hoops, while a high-time preference plebeian hedonist will easily get frustrated and "ain't gunna put up wit dis sheeeiittt"

>>16614926
>saving public libraries during corona lockdowns

Pay-to-play private libraries with rotating collections of rare and antiquated books marketed at pretentious yuppies are the future. Everything can be accessed online these days, so the only point of conventional libraries anymore is to access a computer or have a cozy place to read.

>>16615113
libraries in my state just recently opened up and only allow you to hang around for 30 minutes max before they kick you out.
they have signs up everywhere telling you to essentially get your shit and get out ASAP.

since libraries are essentially managed by compliant liberals, I expect this policy to remain indefinitely.
they've become elegant book depositories.

>>16615148
This is stupid, 30 minutes is a good deadline for someone that knows exactly what they want, but it would not be enough for those that are browsing for something new and have a lot of shelves to go through.

>>16614926
The biggest and most obvious part of this b8 is that the author is "female"

>>16615201
it's disheartening as someone who genuinely enjoys reading books at the library.
as corny as it sounds, I always considered libraries as holy; a sanctuary within reality; a material astral plane.

ironically, I never studied at a library during college. I always thought doing that kind of "work" in one sullied the experience.

Unironically by privatising libraries.

>>16615239
Have you ever been to a library? It's mostly females that work there. But I guess I fell for this shitty bait by responding.

>>16615321
No, friend, it's not the real-life identity of the supposed author that is suspect, but rather, whether such a person would affiliate with the cryptofash supremacist rag known as counter-currents. Conservative women are not prone to political extremism, nor are they prone to working at libraries.

>>16614930
>Oh wow millions of people starved to death in our Communist paradise but at least we have public libraries!

>>16615321
>>16615365
To elaborate, I'm insinuating that the true author, by assuming a female pseudonym, means to invoke racial sympathy by the well-known tactic of juxtaposing white girlhood (equivalent to white victimhood) with black masculinity, whereas a white male author would be seen for what he is (or at least what he has been construed to be): paranoid. The ruse only works if you can't tell the stylistic differences between men and women, which I'm assuming this mag's readerbase cannot.

>>16615390
Never actually read the article in question but you're completely right. It's probably the same person posting it on /lit/.
What a loser

>>16614926
Eugenics. Give everyone a 200IQ, good discipline and immunity against drugs.

>>16615239
>>16615365
>>16615390
Do you think that no politically extreme (in this case far right wing) women exist in that milieu? Why do you think that way exactly?
Is it because most of the articles you read tell you that there are no far right women and that it is a male ('incel') phenomenon?
It is a pseudonym, so we don't know who Kathryn S. is. There are more articles by her and she seems to have a female profile. Who knows, what matters is what she wrote.

>>16614926
why would we need to save libraries, you can get any book you want for free online anyways

>>16615508
>why do you think that way exactly?
because i have a brain
>what matters is what she wrote
All of it is lies, friendo, and the lies include the name
>she seems to have a female profile
don't peddle your magazine here

>>16615239
>>16615390
>>16615365
>>16615521
high IQ posts

>>16615560
thanks for the compliment, sport

>>16614930
based

>>16615583
thanks for calling out racist propagandists trying to peddle their tranny smut

>>16615113
>thinking lockdowns are science based

>>16614930
This. Capitalism is what keeps nonwhites alive and around, if Whites adopt Communism, not only will the current nonwhites die off without a functioning system but future nonwhites won't come to our countries. Here comes the cuck response
>B-but we'll be hurt too
In the short run, sure, but if we can keep our recovery under wraps long enough by the time it becomes obvious we're no longer socialists, we'll have the wall built, no nonwhites, and a culture of hardened survivors who understand the importance of resource control. Worth.

>>16614926

>Go into library
>Use computer to find a book
>Computer freezes
>Go to the next one
>Computer freezes
>Walk out

Libraries suck

>"The black men were a nuisance, regardless of age. I’m by nature warm, if a bit reserved, and I’ve never had problems making friends. At the library, I learned to cultivate a chilly, ice-blonde persona around black men in order to discourage conversation or clumsy pick-up attempts. This was only partially successful. Monday nights I stayed until closing time, which was 9 PM. On one occasion, toward the end of my shift, a teenage black kid approached me looking for a book on Abraham Lincoln in order to write a term paper. “Fine,” I said, and showed him the appropriate history section. Nothing that I pointed out seemed to please him, because all of the books were “too long.” Eventually, I said what amounted to, “well, you’re either going to have to read something, or you’ll have to ditch the assignment,” then walked off. As I was shelving the last of the books for the evening, I had to wade past him down a row of J. D. Robb mysteries. As I lifted myself up on tiptoes to reach the top shelf, I felt a hand creep up my leg...."

lmao, this is basically blacked.com for cucks who aren't out yet. For all you guys who've never read erotica--a man wrote this

>>16615653
Not going to lie, when it got to this part I momentarily forgot this was counter-currents and thought she was going to leave that situation with a warm feeling for what was between his legs.

>>16614930

fucking tripfag tries to derail another thread

how about you kys you tranny

>>16614930
BASED

>I never wore a dress or skirt to that job again.

REMEMBER WHAT THEY'VE STOLEN FROM YOU. SPECIFICALLY, SEXY LIBRARIAN LADIES.

>>16615649

>>16614926
Doesn't America have homeless shelters with computers?

ITT:
>libraries being used as hobo shelters
>libraries filled with niggers
>library books looking gross and disgusting
>more nigger anecdotes

I'm glad I'm a eurofag who can't relate to any of those things. The absolute state of Amerigga

>>16615867
>I'm glad I'm a eurofag who can't relate to any of those things.
It has already arrived in European capitals.
Enjoy the decay.

>>16615108
They'd just harass the librarians to log them in. That part is obvious to anyone who is an any proximity of these sociopaths.

>>16615373
>muh starvation
debunked

>>16615867
In Front of my library the niggers are already camping. Luckily they arent let in due to Corona regulations.

t. prussian

>>16615649
>What is china?
>What is North Korea?
>What is Cuba?
Nice try /pol/yp

>>16614926
Require signing up for a library card to enter the building. People with no address or initiative to complete the process can't get in.

Public librarian here, AMA

Are rude niggers and hobos common in the US? At most I see nigerians at the computers here and they usually browse facebook and write job applications.

>>16614958
It's a shame. I find the best sources on topics came from books in the university library.

>>16616182
>prussian
Yeah bro, I'm with you, 100% byzantine chad here

>>16616245
How do you cope with the corona

>>16616316
Really limited service atm, we're only open for half the hours we'd usually be open and we can only have about 15 people in the building at any one time, including staff. It's almost entirely click and collect now, which is a shame because I always enjoyed chatting with my readers, everything feels very distant and unsociable

>>16614930
you do know that in actual communist countries like cuba and soviet russia faggots like you would have been killed already right?

>>16614926
should we? i feel like if libraries didn't exist and you proposed them as a new idea in 2020, you would get laughed out of the discourse
perhaps rightly? have they a place now?

Christ I'm glad that I'm
>not American
>in a well off part of the UK
Libraries here in Surrey are great

>>16614926
Not to invite /pol/ but a librarian leaving work got beat senseless recently, bleeding on the brain idk how he is doing now

You want to save libraries deport the uncivilized

>>16615010
Numale hands typed this post.

>>16615390
Pseudo intellectual pseudo faggot.

>>16614930
>destroy this thing that's impossible to destroy and has already subverted the ideology designed to try and destroy it

>>16616526
Which is a good reason why we should end state-capitalism. “Actually existing socialism” from the scientific socialist camp aren’t socialists and have never brought communism. Statist bourgeois like them can never do that from the inside

>>16616615
>buh buh capitism has always been and always will be. Nothing will ever change

>>16614926

A reform of the welfare state. Yes, public dollars spent towards benefiting those in need will not have them rely on libraries as homeless shelters.

I go to my library to get free books you faggot

>>16616649

>>16614926

Time to let them go. The public isn't really deserving of them and as much as I enjoy wandering the stacks, it's not a place of productivity anymore given everything is digitized.

And >>16614935 is right. They're basically ANTIFA/BLM organizing centers and places to bring your child to get raped by trannies.

All the leftists on this thread can eat a bullet.

>>16616765
Don't worry anon, they won't be gone for too long.

I'm sure you'll have your pick of sovcorps that do offer safe and free libraries again.

>>16616794
why does anyone listen to this thinly veiled ancap?

>>16616805
Because his ideas are interesting.

>>16616825
No, his analysis is playful and somewhat accurate.
His ideas are trash and indistinguishable from the Neofeudalism that Neoliberalism is already heading toward.

>>16616860
A roundabout way to say he's right.

Thanks, this conversation has now lost its utility.

>>16616640
>scientific socialist

>>16614930
If anything they will get rid of them and just make the space something else since paper is a waste and everyone will have internet and all sorts of reading devices that will make libraries pretty obsolete anyway

>ITT boomers who thirst for the "good old days" and /pol/acks
Get with the times lol
Libraries are obsolete

>>16616877
A lot of people are "right" with their analysis. What has Yarvin said that Ted Kaczynski didn't already say? Replace "The Cathedral" with "The System" and you get the same conclusion (or "The Synagogue" to be even more "on the nose").

Analysis is cheap. Viable solutions are valuable.

>>16614930
Fpbp

>>16616952
Yarvin literally does and it's making its rounds in Big Tech. Yarvin doesn't give a fuck if proles like you and me care about what he has to say, he's courting billionaires and it's working.

Ted is rotting in prison.

>>16616989
>he's courting billionaires and it's working.
So he's neoliberalizing?
Wow. Real "reactionary" stuff.

>>16614926
>internet café
Nothing wrong with this.

> and homeless shelter
THIS is the problem.

Don't fucking beat around the bush. Homeless people who behave poorly or smell bad should be immediately banned from the library. They are legitimately the only problem with the library system.

I lived in San Francisco close to the public library. It was gigantic, beautiful architecture, tons of books, state of the art. And it was for the most part unusable. You had to walk through heroin needles and junkies shooting up heroin outside the front steps to get into the library. You would never be able to use the bathroom, it was too disgusting. The atmosphere was the opposite of what a library should be (anxious rather than relaxing). It smelled bad. The problem is 100% vagrants and nothing else.

I wound up buying a membership to an old Mechanic's Institute private library. $100 for me to read, study, and do things on the computer in quiet. Well worth it.

There's nothing wrong with having a third space where people can sit and read or work on their computer. This is a good thing. There aren't many of these left in America. Other countries have these kinds of third spaces too. Just kick out the fucking vagrants.

I hate that "solve the homelessness problem" and "kill the niggers" are basically the same solution, just /pol/fags have dehumanized the poor so much they just like to ideate on murder. I still see no reason to have pride in your race when you can't even feed and clothe everyone in your country. To solve the library problem you have to solve systemic issues that cause your libraries to become shit. If the homeless had a home they wouldn't hang out at a library. If the poor could afford cellphones they wouldn't need the computers. These are such simple and obvious things, yet this thread is 93 posts about purifying the race and killing everyone off. Don't you realize that killing everyone now doesn't solve the problem? That there will be more poor people if you just get rid of the current poor people without changing the reasons they are poor?

>>16616231
Unironically this. And if it's a nig heavy place they should privatize it and make you pay a fee of like $5 for a membership.

>>16617126
You're retarded and probably an underage woman.

>>16617126
At that point libraries are even more pointless then they already are, in the meantime not letting homeless people in lets it be a decent place to go while libraries are still somewhat relevant

>>16616193
we need white juche now!

>>16614926
Lmao my local library banned Ezra Pound. Even if you agree with that in spirit, they're not serving their purpose as archivists anymore.

>>16617140
I'm none of those things. I'm just tired of faggots like you.
>>16617182
Something would go wrong there. Some bureaucratic nightmare of due process and equal protection. I don't think it's even worth it at that point.

By going back to free market capitalism.

Almost all the problems we face today are thanks to socialism.

>>16617002
What an insanely moronic reply. Lmao.

>>16617217
Me wanting libraries that don't smell like piss and thinking that solving homelessness isn't the best way to have that isn't being a faggot: It's having a brain. Tell me, how should the governments of the world reduce homelessness to the point that they don't congregate in libraries? Harder drug control? Better mental health treatment? Banning booze? Tell me oh wise one—how can they stop those stinky drugged up lunatics from using the warm shelter with free computers and no cops? Give everyone a home? Give everyone cellphones? You're a moron

>>16617218
So just... book stores? So just... amazon prime?

>>16617217
Well than we have to accept the fact that public libraries are just not places worth going too in most major metro areas and stop being sentimentalists about it because one solution may take a long fucking time to happen (and may defeat the purpose of libraries anyway) or just not humane

>>16617255
My city reduced homelessness by double digit percentages by providing temporary housing, rehabilitation, and job training programs. It didn't completely eliminate it because mental health and drug problems are much harder to take care of in such a short time, but it is possible. There are programs out there that do, in fact, lessen the impact. You are literally correct in your ironic list of totally DUNKING on me. Unironically, Yes.

Well nobody reads anymore. You can't save the libraries without fixing this. I imagine those who do read probably do use the library a similar amount as they used to. Most people are not /lit autists who pirate books and shun used.

Personally the only way I'd go to a library is if it offered some kind of experience around reading that a home book was worse than. Like a roaring hearth, super comfy reading chairs, free coffee, whatever. Incentivize people to come and kick them out if they aren't reading.

>>16614930
How come it's always unsuccessful individuals who oppose capitalism?

>>16617294
Because capitalism frames what success is you absolute fucking idiot.

>>16615259
If libraries can barely attract anyone when it's free, how do you expect a private library to profit?

>>16617242
Gotcha.

>>16617300
So cutting off your dick and sitting around watching anime with a butt plug attached is a preferable expression of success to what capitalism has framed?

>>16617278
What city? (this might go back to demographics: because unfortunately, and call me a /pol/tard, but certain groups are more predisposed to drug and mental health issues). Also my list wasn't ironic, it was listing the approaches and trying to make you aware of how costly and ineffectual they are for the complex issues that cause homelessness. I think instead of letting libraries fester until the city can somehow afford and implement all these things to reduce homelessness, libraries should just require signing up for a membership which would require an address. And in the mean time the homeless can actually use all the shelters that don't let them do drugs in. If you think a normal urban city can afford that list let alone think it's worth prioritize for the sake of fucking libraries, my original assessment of your intellect was correct.

>>16617331
I assume this was a dunk of butterfly? Rent free brah.

>>16617126
>I still see no reason to have pride in your race when you can't even feed and clothe everyone in your country
>you can't give free food and shelter to 10 million niggers? Guess you don't deserve pride

Your post is invalidated once you realize that poverty isn't the problem, niggers are.

>>16617353
Answer the question.

>>16617371
Your question is framed incorrectly. Being able to cut off your dick and sit around to watch anime with a butt plug attached is only possible because of capitalism. I refuse to answer the question.
>>16617352
Oh yeah, you'd be right, it's a majority latino in this city. Huh, thanks for making me look up some articles about it, anon. Hadn't really bothered updating and checking in on how those programs are doing.

https://sanantonioreport.org/san-antonio-to-reevaluate-how-it-fights-homelessness/

>>16617331
Paradise for butterspinster would be living in a anarcho-communist society in which she would console and scissor Chad's leftovers until she gets hit with Alzheimer's.

>>16617257
So don't subsidize failing institutions, whether it's car producers or libraries. Make government smaller i.e. remove ideology and overspending.

Membership should be required to enter the library and literacy tests should be required for membership. The homeless and niggers would not be able to pass or even be willing to be examined.

>>16617414

>>16615108
That will happen as soon as the goverment prevents any non-normie site from existing on th normie web and everyone will need to learn to vpn at least to use the ebil darknet.

>>16617438
Stop posting on this board you absolute brainlet retard.

>>16614926
Books are so cheap and accesible through online shopping that it's often easier to pay a $10 convenience fee on amazon than physically go to the library and deal with late fees, abused books, and poors.

Mods aggressively curating this thread.

>>16614930
That is the fault of socialism though

>>16617453
The government is going to do nothing but get bigger. You are living in a dream land that tries to avoid the realities of the bureaucratic empire that has been created. Your ideas of three branches and weak federal governments you were taught back in school by your overweight libertarian history teacher are lies and make believe stories. Your love of Adam Smith is the same as the balding man jerking it to anime titties. None of it is real. You are the fucking brainlet here. You are the one that has fallen into the trappings of belief and hope in some economic system that will never come. Your free market is propped up by the parasite of big government and the only reason any of your "competition" works is because your tendies have to go through 20 regulatory agencies before you can shove them in your fat little fucking mouth you fucking bitch ass nigger. I wish I could be as stupid as you. I wish I had the same level of ignorance of the world as your shitty peanut sized brain. God, I would love to be a goldfish. But I'm not, so let me just live vicariously through you, anon. Please tell me to cope/seethe/dilate or whatever fucking one word reply I'll get. I'm gonna rub my cock so hard at the idea that you are using both your brain cells to shit that reply out.

>>16617492
What makes you say that?

>>16617433
You know rabid leftists would see this as oppressions at this point.

>>16617441
Seems inevitable.
I don't see the internet getting freer, just increasingly restrictive, paranoid and censorious.
I guess this could be accelerated.

In better times, we should be having this conversation in a far more elegant forum; yet here we are relegated to the interior confines of the internet's asshole.

>>16616178
They won't starve if we just shoot them comrade.

>>16614930

>>16614926
Just let the whole house of cards collapse. This civilization is already a dysgenic joke at this point. Maybe the progenitors of the next iteration of civilization will lay down a more sustainable foundation.

>>16614926
Cut the military budget by .0001%

>>16614930

>>16617619
Pure antisemitism.

>>16617662
kek

>>16617503
seethe

>>16614926
If you're trying to use a library, the solution to this is to either use a university library, a private (paid subscription) library, or move to a small town with considerably fewer homeless people.

I've lived near the main library in two cities I've lived in in recent years, and never really wanted to hang out for long in either due to the homeless people. (One of these was San Francisco, the central library of which must have the portal to hell located in it somewhere. I think multiple people died in there during the two years I lived nearby.)

One solution cities could consider is to get rid of physical libraries and instead use that money to fund direct book mail service for residents. Instead of going to a library, you would use an online service to reserve a book and the city would send it to you for free with instructions regarding how you return it.

>>16614930
Lmao it's funny how people that live in a country living a life full with commodities can think Capitalism is a problem. If you hate it so much why the fuck are you using the internet, why are you even lurking on a website that's basically funded by advertisement you hypocrite.

Create public Internet cafes. Remove computers and wifi from libraries (except as catalogues).

>>16617901
Is there some way to make public free wifi areas, so any retard with a phone can go do his business there, and then computer banks available only for people who meet minimum standards of conduct and hygiene?

I guess all this is moot once you realize the problem will always be n. I'm really getting n-fatigue lately. Every question involving them is like asking how can we add special techno gizmos to the swimming pool to make people stop shitting in it, instead of just making the shitters leave.

Why does the whole world have to accommodate the shitters

>City and its politicians attempt to solve homeless problem.
>What they do involves giving them more resources, which is why they're there in the first place.

How can you be an adult and be this stupid?

>>16614930
>c-capitalism is to blame for all the stinky niggers turning the publuc resource into a zoo
>if we turn everything into a public resource, the stinky niggers won't be a problem
How are you so retarded you stupid fucking tripfag? The only thing your ID indicates is that a poor opinion is coming

>>16618487
who bought them and thought them here and now have granddaughters who feel guilty ?

>>16617433
This would be fucking spectacular.

Convince me that this thread and library defenders aren't just
>Old good, new bad!
>paper good, digital bad!
They probably think kindles are the downfall of humanity of shit like that.

>>16614970
It's the reason I usually hang out in bookstores because it's the one place you're almost guaranteed to not see blacks. The expectation to pay for something and/or read throws them off my trail. Public libraries are for boomers and the welfare proles.

>>16615365
>>16615390
Are you retarded? You can look up the author. She exists. There's more female authors on the site, who also actually exist. CC is run by a white nationalist faggot by the way, so I'm not sure why a white nationalist woman would be such a stretch. But I guess anything serves to sow doubt about the veracity of the article right, instead of having to address the content?

>>16618783
This thread is just trolling. Libraries are still good and physical copies are better than a purchased license that can be rescinded when it comes to IP. Digital is highly convenient and I love my Kindle but also enjoy the aesthetics and feel of reading a physical book. If a book is really important to me, I get a physical copy. If not, a digital one. No need to oppose anyone on that front.

>>16618861
How fucked is your little zoomer brain that something as mundane as people decrying the death of library culture is "trolling" to you

Do you accuse your mom of "trolling" you when she throws out your vapes you fag. Use words you didn't get from internet video game subcultures. You're fucking your brain.

>>16619153
This guy

Niggers and homeless people ruin everything.

>>16618487
>capitalism is to blame for all the stinky niggers turning the publuc resource into a
Yes. Capitalism brought cheap labor to North America, capitalism keeps us in poverty. Your ill informed opinions need not be aired.

>>16617781
>Capitalism gave you microwave. Why you mad??
Weeeeak.

>>16617498
>Socialism is when the government does stuff
Or wait. You’re saying wealthy people shipping jobs overseas, and other ghettoizing policy is the fault of socialism.

>>16620250
based butters btfoing the chuds

>>16620250
If you love socialism so much why don't you go and live your twisted fantasy in Cuba or fucking Venezuela? O right, you will never because your ass is so spoiled and you wouldn't be able to buy your daily starbucks, eat McDonalds for lunch or even be able to pull out your phone because your white ass will definitely get mugged

inexcusable that my city's public libraries are still closed and our public schools have been opened for two months already

librarians just don't want to deal with the public. what a grift.

>>16614926
>poor and/or non-white are using the library waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
off yourself
t. librarian

>>16614994
Imagine being a basedboy like yourself. Drink from the teat of capitalism some more. Just don't forget to pay.

>>16617126
only decent post in the thread
newfag /pol/edditors really destroyed this board
SAD

Are socialists just sentimentalists about libraries? Why are they suddenly not obsolete in that system if not more so kek

>>16616048
>>16615867
It's better here, but it's only a matter of time. Sand people are less annoying than niggers, but it's almost always them talking loud, being incosiderate. It's annoying.

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>>16617126
>>16616938
/pol/ is useful as a filter because anyone who is seriously upset by /pol/ instantly outs themselves as a newfag tourist fresh off the boat from reddit/twitter.

Only newfags care enough about some other guy's opinion disagreeing with theirs to try to censor him and throw a hissyfit when they can't. Long explanations of how "/pol/ has ruined this site/board" are just whiny copeposts from tourists mad that they can't downvote here.

Notice how these posters are always humorless and femininely emotional. They respond to banter by digging in their heels and crying more. God bless /pol/ for filtering these tourists.

>>16620346
Because that isn’t socialism.
Cuba is vanguardist Marxist-Leninist. Venezuela is clearly just a Bolivarian. They’re like european soc-dem. And yeah, Europe is nice, but I cannot turn my back on the rest of the world
BECAUSE I’M SOCIALIST. The whole world has to change the way they operate. Unprecedented changes are needed and immediately.

>>16620566
Get off of /lit/ then and walk the talk you old cunt

>>16620580
>Diaper wearing frog throwing a fit “myyy shitposting board! MINE! REEEEE

>>16620591
Thought so. Nothing but childish delusions. Keep on shitposting your way to political paradise.

>>16620566
>believes in revolution
>believes in categorical decision making

Ngmi.

>>16620566
>if only everyone conformed to my values and worldview

>>16620600
My lack of confidence and admittance that I cannot do this all on my own is proof of “childish delusion”?
No need to respond. I k ow you’re just trying to encourage me to leave. That’s fine.

>>16620619
That being the value of the world and each others love, yes.

>>16620630
What makes something have value? What kind of love?

I doubt my conception of those concepts align with yours. How would you have everyone with different backgrounds, experiences, and aspirations come to have the same values and the same understanding of love? With the point of a sword?

>>16620625
If you are looking for recruits for your cult, you'd fare better on /pol/ or reddit. This is a literature board.

>>16620644
I don’t want us to go extinct. I want us to have nice happy homes and good food. To explore and keep learning.

>>16620653
Barely.

>>16614930

When I visited Charlotte it was impressive how nice and modern everything was. Then I went to a library to charge my phone and when entering a bathroom found two homeless men shooting up drugs. Totally normal city-slicker things

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>>16620945
Weird how this shit doesn't happen in my much larger city. But some places are better run than others I suppose.

>>16620962
>you musn't believe poets who lie to you

Very familiar with this phenomenon. The poor librarians are turned into daycare attendants, who are always having to deal with these people being disruptive and unpredictable, bargaining with them and cajoling them, asking them to keep quiet or leave. Sometimes the police have to come, the whole atmosphere is very tense.

>>16620545
This board is basically reddit-tier. The majority of it's users utilize buzzwords, forced memes, social shaming, and actively forming a group consensus as means of attempting to discredit their perceived opponent. The only reason this board is worth browsing at all is because there are a handful of eloquent and educated users that occasional make very insightful posts regarding literature that you would be hard pressed to find elsewhere on the internet.

>>16621356
Ok newfag

>>16621527
You sure got me. I can feel the irrational anger welling up inside. Oh no, I've been successfully trolled.

>>16615247
>I always considered libraries as holy; a sanctuary within reality; a material astral plane.

shut the fuck up

>>16614930
woah starving niggers to death wtf i love butterfly now

>>16621538
now bend over

the final troll begins now

>>16621553
I told you it was corny.
Also, tongue my balls faggot.

>>16617126
>I hate that "solve the homelessness problem" and "kill the niggers" are basically the same solution, just /pol/fags have dehumanized the poor so much they just like to ideate on murder. I still see no reason to have pride in your race when you can't even feed and clothe everyone in your country. To solve the library problem you have to solve systemic issues that cause your libraries to become shit.
I agree. Homeless people of all races should be gotten rid of. It's wrong to see this social rot as a race problem, and trying to lump in homeless with other groups of people like blacks or gays is just going to organize them into a broad coalition when I think everybody can agree that the homeless problem needs """solved""".
>If the homeless had a home they wouldn't hang out at a library.
No they would just hang out around whatever housing project they're being shoved into, robbing shit and panhandling so they can by drugs. Solutions like this turn towns and cities into ghettos, because you're creating a class of dependents and providing them with free food and housing and often drugs as well just so it can make your bleeding heart feel warm and fuzzy.
>If the poor could afford cellphones they wouldn't need the computers.
The poor can afford cellphones. Even people living in corrupt 3rd world countries and war zones have cellphones these days. What you're proposing is that the homeless should be able to afford computers, so they don't use the ones in the library. How do you pay for this?
>These are such simple and obvious things, yet this thread is 93 posts about purifying the race and killing everyone off.
It's a much more nuanced opinion than you give credit to
>Don't you realize that killing everyone now doesn't solve the problem? That there will be more poor people if you just get rid of the current poor people without changing the reasons they are poor?
Nobody is against poor people, people don't like the whiny drug addicted retards who hang around public spaces making everything shitty for everyone else. If those people were killed off, or at least we stopped giving them free stuff just for being poor, then they would either starve to death on their own or get their shit together somewhat.

The problem is bleeding hearts like you that just enable the problem because you think somehow the government can fix these people's lives and all you need to do is throw enough money and sincerity at it so you can feed your savior complex.

>>16615390
or it could just be a femoid

>>16614926
We need artificial difficulty imposed by the state.
We could ban ebook readers, and while obviously keep the internet it should only be allowed to be accessed by the public in libraries.

I don't particularly care about libraries, but this principle actually would be great in other areas. Like should to go back to sailing ships.

I don’t even like libraries

>>16621657
At least the candor and compactness of this screed is refreshing, compared to the usual /pol/ tapdance. Already I can hear the hail of gunfire.

>>16614930
basado

>>16614926
require all papers in education to have both scholarly sources and written sources. i dont know how to get the kids interested in reading alone other than capping electronic use, but how the fuck do you force that? make me chancellor, of course. either educate your mind or work in the fields. no more lazy shit

>>16623169
>scholarly sources
only makes the problem worse when academia is as corrupt as it is currently

Summary execution of the publicly high or insane would quickly solve libraries and other social problems. You would only have to actually kill a few dozen per city and the message would get out. The "struggling poor" would get mysteriously sober and back on their feet real quick as soon as something scared them more than keeping a job.

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>>16614930
>the answer when you ask a zoomer a question

>>16620545
Been here 15 years. Cope harder /pol/fag.
>>16621356
Christ, at this point everything is Reddit.

>>16615373
>he think that if no capitalism then that equal communism duhhh

why do u even spew your stupid opinion if you dont even fucking know what are you talking about

>>16620545
>They respond to banter by digging in their heels and crying more.
Lmao sounds like every other /pol/nigger. Overall I think that banter and un serious c'est la vie posting has its place, as does a well thought out earnest post. However, there's a line to be walked since there's nothing more annoying than a feigned aloofness (be it 'kill the niggers' or whatever the left equivalent) just barely covering an earnest, raging urge to inject ones online political convictions into every single topic imaginable.

>>16621657
I think you're right overall. As a 'bleeding heart' myself who has spent a decent amount of time working in homeless shelters and programs, I have come to realize that the solutions is not as simple as 'more resources.' There's often something seriously wrong with a lot of our homeless population (here in the States at least) that is deeper than simple poverty and dispossession. That being said, I do think that the utter disdain many people have towards the homeless doesn't help at all, nor does the very real shortfalls of our gutted social support systems and resources. I cant speak to anywhere but my city really, but we often did really truly run short of beds for people and case workers were very overworked. It's a problem that I hate since I really cannot see a real meaningful solution anytime soon, so all one can do is keep their head down and try to help out in small ways.

Does anyone know how I can add a filter for a specific tripcode to 4chan X?

>>16615029
lol ok mystery meat

>>16624381
>That being said, I do think that the utter disdain many people have towards the homeless doesn't help at all
In most cases this is learned behavior, since a lot of homeless will abuse any display of kindness or generosity and take a mile when given an inch. Talk to them, and you'll get a half hour sob story about why you should give them money. Give them money and they buy drugs. Invite them into your house and they rob you. A community builds a resource shelter, and people from out of town come and start robbing shops and pissing in public parks around the area.
The first step towards a real, meaningful, final solution to our homeless problem is to stop treating them as passive victims. The stigma around homelessness is entirely the fault of the homeless themselves create by being such parasitic pieces of shit.
You should read Tocqueville's Memoir on Pauperism, which deals elegantly with the subject.
http://civitas.org.uk/pdf/Tocqueville_rr2.pdf
He distinguishes between private charity and public charity. Private charity comes with stipulations, is handled on a case by case basis, and involves a feeling of mutual obligation and generosity. Public charity is often handed out as entitlements to the poor and miserable qua their poverty and misery. This only encourages the naturally lazy, selfish, and parasitical to live lives of dependency, and to even see themselves as entitled to special treatment and public resources. Whats worse, it groups them all together into ghettos, where they can be politically organized, where they encourage and reinforce their lifestyle and addictions, and where they can be targeted by drug dealers and other predatory people.
The fact is, when you turn somebody out on the street you're doing them a favour. Spending a night in the cold is a far better motivator for someone to get their life together than therapy sessions and job counseling.

>>16617126
>If the homeless had a home they wouldn't hang out at a library. If the poor could afford cellphones they wouldn't need the computers.
If I had a private library I wouldn't need a public one. Perhaps the government should give me a one time payment of $20,000 so I can furnish myself a private study, permanently solving the problem of homeless people in the library once and for all, and at less cost than what it takes merely to feed a homeless for a year. Unlike them I actually pay taxes, so this seems like the most reasonable solution.

>>16624952
I dont think you are wrong in many cases, and I appreciate the recommendation. I will read it this week. However, I still do sometimes found myself really disgusted by the way I have heard some people privately discuss the homeless. It is one thing to be a little spooked or wary of giving out handouts, but another to have absolutely no empathy whatsoever. The homeless or more or less a siloed off, disposable population in my city and it really does sadden me to meet people who dont even find it really troubling at all.

>>16624952
In socialist countries homeless people were forced into housing, educated, and made productive members of society. After a decade or so of socialism homelessness disappears entirely and the anti-social behaviors of the homeless disappear with it.

>>16625564
Instead of jerking yourself off about empathy, try having some empathy for the quiet masses who are tired of being taken advantage of by these cockroaches.

When I meet people like you my first thought is that you don't really care about homeless, or anybody, it's just a way to feel good about yourself. The reason people don't empathize with the homeless is that 1. they have their own life issues to face, their own homes to pay for, their own stomachs to feed; and 2. every attempt at "empathy" inevitably leads to giving the homeless more resources to take advantage of, when most of these people are either incurably mentally ill or simply petty criminal drug addicts who would rather play victim than hold down a job.

>>16625587
In socialist countries lots of homeless were also taken into the woods and killed by secret police, locked in psychiatric hospitals for the duration of their life, or sent to gulag to be worked to death for the glory of the state.
I don't disagree about it's effectiveness though.

>>16625611
wow I never thought of it like that, your very reasonable and well articulated arguments and points have inspired me to make a new change in life. Thank you, anon. Your wisdom and complete knowledge of the way the world works has made me a changed man.

>>16625628
Objectively untrue. Socialist countries weren’t cartoonishly evil

>>16625690
>were forced
>the anti-social behaviors of the homeless
>its not cartoonishly evil
>>16625587

>>16625829
Forcing people to live in dignity is not the same as killing people in the woods and locking them up in psychiatric institutions. Most homeless after being forced into housing, education, and work would be reintegrated into society within months.

Saying “anti-social behaviour” isn’t evil, it just means behaviours that are bad for society.

>>16625628
Hey, they're not all gonna make it.

>>16625651
Listen you shit I've been homeless myself and live in an area of distributed poverty, drug abuse, rural stagnation, and decline. Many people I grew up with are either homeless or drug addicted dependents living in the system.

Every program that gets established to "fix" the homeless problem here, either through safe injection sites, public housing, womans shelters, soup kitchens, or anything else inevitably leads to a new mass migration of homeless parasites who realize they can come to this town and get things for free.

In the last five years alone, it's gone from a safe and lazy community to a place where you can't go outside without people panhandling, and where break-ins and petty crime is a common occurrence. In the last month I've had two home invasions, and half the times I go out walking at night I'll see some bum shining their flashlight into shop windows and parked cars looking for stuff to rob.

And it's hard not to notice that all the people working at homeless shelters are inevitably college educated, well to do white kids, who live in comfortable houses in the suburbs and attend political rallies with other affluent yuppies in their free time. On top of gathering all the scumbags into one ghetto, they also politically organize them into a voting block, which ends up pushing for more dysgenic policies.

It's easy to bitch about being "disgusted" by people's "lack of empathy" when you are economically and socially segregated from the people you are "helping". Especially when you've spent much of your life in academic institutions with private security forces and gated ivory towers to ensure you never have to interact with a bum in any context which doesn't resemble a zoo.

Part of me is convinced this is all an effort to transform my sleepy town into a ghetto that larger cities can use to siphon off their own excess homeless.

You want to solve the problem? I can give you a list of addresses that the drug dealers in my town operate from. Put a bullet in their heads or lynch them in the streets and suddenly these parasitic homeless losers won't be able to get high anymore. That alone would solve 80% of their problems, and 100% of the crime around here. Yet the only solutions I ever hear presented is that the government should just take more money from 'evil corporations' and give it to these poor helpless homeless people who only exist as passive victims who enable you to feel good about yourself.

If you give such a shit, then pick one single homeless person and personally make an effort to involve yourself in that person's life. Invite that person into your house, give them food and a warm bed, and try to help them find a job. Watch them rob you blind, spend it all on drugs, and end up back on the streets a week later. But at least then you can say you actually tried, instead of just adding another self gratifying "experience" to your resume.

>>16625844
>Saying “anti-social behaviour” isn’t evil
you are pathologizing the homeless.

>forcing people to live in dignity
forcing people into housing, educated, productive members of the society.
productive members of the society
dignity
if they dont conform they end in psychiatric institutions. its a more complex problem than what you think. you cant force people to be a productive member of society.

>>16625882
> you cant force people to be a productive member of society.

And yet, socialist countries did it successfully and do it successfully.

>>16625904
just lol

>>16625860
not gonna lie, this post is pretty based

>>16625916
China, Vietnam, and Cuba are “lol”ing at you.

>>16625904
>And yet, socialist countries did it successfully and do it successfully.
what im trying to say is the people you cant force to be a productive member of society end in psychiatric instintutions because his "anti-social" proved by science™ behaviour.
my point is that the idea of "forcing" is good is intrinsically bad.

>>16625979
so we should become authoritarian shitholes to save a bunch of gypsies, joggers and junkies from being homeless
just lol

>>16626021
I assume you’re American? Yeah well next time you walk through your capital and see more homeless than pedestrians tell me if you’re glad to be “free” in capitalism.

>>16626051
no im not. but you're nuts if you think that we should look up to authoritarian states in order to solve our homelessness problems. why are you lefties such statist bootlickers? that homeless gypsy is unsightly but doesnt cause enough problems in order for me to drop on my knees and start worshipping the state

>>16614926
Public libraries suck. My local library used to host drag queens reading children's books until they got in trouble over it. We should do away with libraries and make the piracy of books through the internet mainstream. I never paid for a single textbook through college because I got them all online. I get tons of books off the internet and read them on my kindle.

>>16626082
State, no state, I couldn’t give a fuck. It’s about the right for all humans to live a life of dignity and any nation which achieves that has earned my support.

>>16626082
the US is an authoritarian state, you're just not doing or saying anything that threatens its authority. The problem with the US is that it's shit.

>>16626126
a right to a life of dignity by stripping away other rights. ok
>>16626138
i dont give a shit about your shit latam state. if you wanna go full auth mode go ahead but dont try force that shit on me

>>16625979
All of these countries kill their homeless populations under the table and harvest the organs.
Unless that's what you're advocating for, in which case I agree.

Without reading any of the thread I'll say that libraries serve two purposes:

1) Academic learning (this is the primary point of having a library). They exist to teach us and record information. This isn't just for university students, but for children getting into reading and adults trying to learn something new. Libraries should serve as community hubs that gather people together for interest groups and workshops on top of offering books.

2) Entertainment (this is much less important). The only people who read for entertainment are the kind of people who watch marvel movies for entertainment. They're horny old women or walking midlife crises with a fetish for military fiction and alternate history. If you're in a big city or university, congratulations. Small town libraries are polluted with the literary effluvia built to cater to these geriatric eloi.

oh no where will the drag queens read to children now

>>16614926
Stop renting out DVD's is a good start and remove the gaming consoles. Internet and printers can stay. Just get rid of the uneccesary crap.

>>16614958
Agreed. It's just that, unfortunately, almost no one reads anymore except older people. Sooners are killing libraries.
> It's the year 2030 and public libraries have become a thing of the past.

In the past, wealthy industrialists bequeathed fortunes to libraries as they felt an educated populace would better advance the causes of men. Today nobody would suffer that illusion; the populace is clearly retarded, and every scrap of knowledge thrown to their chained pit is one that strengthens their hunger for yourself. The billionaires of today will fund not libraries, but drugs.

>>16617126
>the poor
There's no hatred towards "the poor". However, there is a great deal of hatred for people who freely abuse the social contract because those are the people who ruin it for everyone else. Setting aside niggers for the moment, the kind of homeless who shit in public buildings, kidnap and eat pets, commit crimes and menace honest citizens at a point in time when literally every city worth panhandling in has public resources specifically dedicated to the homeless are not "down on their luck" or otherwise homeless by external misfortune that can be remedied via a social program. They are mentally ill (I include substance abuse under this heading), in which case they should be treated, and/or they are deliberately acting offensively and criminally for the sake of doing so and should be treated as criminals. There are an enormous population of homeless who act maliciously and malevolently simply because they can and because they need no other reason.

Vagrancy itself should be not be criminal, however. If someone is incorrigible enough that he decides that living outside of the system for better or ill is how he wants to live then go nuts - but in the same vein, someone who lives like this has no right to expect acceptance or support beyond what one individual would decide to extend to any countryman. Kind of like a relatively toothless outlawry, basically.

>>16614970
>wailing at the wicked world in the highly acoustic main lobby which carries sound throughout a very large building the size of a city block.

Holy based

why do retards always get up in arms whenever there's a thread about the library?

are you all just consumerist dumbasses who never went to the library as a kid?

Make them worth using. My local library has pretty much zero books actually worth taking out.