/lit/ - Literature

>>16613722
>inb4 retards swarm and start critiquing strawman """pessimism""""
anyway who is this retard that's making bait Schopenhauer threads?

>>16613722
haha based woman guy

>>16613722
anime > holywood movie adaptation

He’s right about the will and the approach to take towards it, but wrong about everything else

>>16613722
'On Women' still contains truths.

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>>16614509
Sad that this one fucking essay is all people talk about. I would tell you to have sex, but that is just the will speaking. Don’t have sex

>>16614517
>Sad that this one fucking essay is all people talk about.
It is his best work, IMO.

>>16614522
I prefer when he shits on Hegel, Descartes, the Stoics, mathematicians and the Germans.

>>16614550
He never shits on stoics.

Nietzsche called him out for being a whiny, miserable, life-denying pussy.

>>16614609
*Nietzsche showed him by being a whiny, miserable, life-denying pussy.

>>16614621
Not true, and even if it were it wouldn't make hm wrong.

>why do they with great unanimity recommend vices to us? even though we attempt nothing else that would do us good...indeed, the worst of our various ills is that we change our very vices, and so we have not even the advantage of dealing with a well-known form of evil: we take pleasure first in one and then in another, and are, besides, troubled by the fact that our opinions are not only wrong, but lightly formed; we toss as it were on waves, and clutch at one thing after another

>I will show that the contemplation of the truth is approved of by the Stoics also, not that I have laid any commandment upon myself to do nothing contrary to the teaching of Zeno and Chrysippus, but because the matter itself allows me to follow the precepts of those men; for if one always follows the precepts of one man, one ceases to be a debater and becomes a partisan. Would that all things were already known, that truth were unveiled and recognized, and that none of our doctrines required modification!

Based and Senecapilled

>>16614643
>fucked off to some remote shithole
>got stds by fucking filthy whores
>went mad in the process to refute Schopenhauer
>died a lonely death without ever having children or wife
He never refuted the based Scho. Pessimism is the spirit of contemporary age. And this century is a Schopenhauerian century.

Is the material in his Essays & Aphorisms all contained within the two volumes of The World as Will and Representation?

>>16614691
>>fucked off to some remote shithole
based and solitudepilled
>>got stds by fucking filthy whores
based and whorepilled
>>went mad in the process to refute Schopenhauer
based and dedicationpilled
>>died a lonely death without ever having children or wife
based and higher-purposepilled

>>16614701
No, they are in a collection of essays titled "Parerga and Paralipomena" (Greek for additions and omissions). A few decades after he wrote WWR, he published those essays as topics that aren't important enough to be included in a philosophical work, but tangentially important to warrant an essay. In reality, though, he probably was to some extent trying to bait people to finally read him. The language and the subjects are much easier to understand and the tone is much more controversial, and it did in fact serve that purpose.
>>16614691
>And this century is a Schopenhauerian century.
Please, anon. He would shiver at the thought. As Jung said, one day statues will be built in honor of Schopenhauer, but that day is not today.

>>16614744
I am talking about Schopenhauerian pessimism. And holy shit It's everywhere.

>>16614758
That "pessimism" is in no way Schopenhauerian. The way he uses the word is in a technical philosophical/metaphysical sense, and is different from the ordinary use. In very simplified way, think of the story of the original sin and the fall from heaven. Basically, a consequence of his central idea is that the metaphysical structure of the world, as it is now, should not have been. This pessimism varies greatly from the sense of distrust that arises when the 20th century myth of progress was finally unveiled to be just a myth.

>>16614583
He calls them discount cynics in his chapter on them.

>>16613722
I don't understand his argument for the existence of will as a metaphysical concept. I definitely think he's right on suffering, but I seriously have no idea how he got his idea of will from Kant's thing-in-itself.
How did he investigate his body and realize that somehow "will-to-life" is an actual thing? I don't get it.

>>16614609
nietzsche thought that women were some kind of mystery. Brainlet of the highest order.

>>16615000
He has an argument for it anon. What have you read from him?

>>16615000
The solution to your problem is to actually read Herr Schopenhauer.

>>16614772
Based. His discussion of the objectification of the will in WWRvol2 builds upon this. However, illiterate retards like viewing this discussion in isolation to discount the brilliance in the direct contemplation of the human grounded in the world in WWRvol1 so as to move beyond Kant.

What will reading Schopenhauer teach me about later philosophers that I am much more familiar with like Nietzsche or Deleuze?

>>16616259
How much they are indebted to him

>>16616281
I can tell. I have a very basic knowledge of his thought; at least of his view on desire via the will. It does feel like I have a lot to gain by reading his work.

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>>16616297
Indeed. Take any thought you have and Schopenhauer considered it tenfold and brought the full implications thereof. He was a genius in the truest sense of the word. I admire him more than any other thinker and that is notwithstanding my appreciation of Nietzsche.

>>16614807
That's true, and I'm pretty sure Epictetus says something along the same lines in Discourses. Doesn't mean he's shitting on stoics, just means everyone cant be as dedicated as Diogenes.