/lit/ - Literature

>>16585522
he never said that, you're just a faggot

>>16585527
He did on this video
https://youtu.be/c0o7jtIGjgw

>>16585540
Imagine misunderstanding spanish at this level

Stop Maestro-posting

>>16585554
Fuck you, Maestro-posting is amazing.

>>16585552
>imagine bluffing this hard
Seethe more (((white))) Brazillian.

>>16585554
No

>>16585565
Este hijo de puta, nada de '(((white))) Brazillian', ni blanco ni macaco brazilero.

>>16585540
lmao
words do be flyin outta his mouf like he be speedy gonzalez or some shieeet n he still be talkin fo two hours
haha what dis nigga sayin tho fo real?

>>16585540
Minute 53:20

how dare you insult the birthday kid !

>>16585522
that's a nice leather jacket and no because nietzsche wasn't really a philosopher so much as a genius

>>16585575
What passage is he reading before that?

>>16585522
A non-philosopher misreading another non-philosopher

>>16585581
Who is the philosopher on the left?

>>16585601

>>16585601
this.

>>16585601
>>16585614
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T LIKE NIETZSCHE BECAUSE EDGY HIGH SCHOOLERS ALSO LIKE NIETZSCHE!!!!

>>16585591
It is from The Antichrist

>>16585570
>>16585552
You just got BTFO by this post >>16585575
Eat shit.

>>16585620
That's funny considering this from Beyond Good and Evil:

>It seems that Catholicism is much more intimately related to the Latin races than all of Christianity in general is to us northerners -- and unbelief therefore means something altogether different in Catholic and Protestant countries: among them, a kind of rebel-lion against the spirit of the race, while among us it is rather a return to the spirit (or anti-spirit) of the race. We northerners are undoubtedly descended from barbarian races, which also shows in our talent for religion: we have little talent for it.

Him getting angry at The Antichrist was basically predicted by Nietzsche.

>>16585601
No one with a brain has ever used this reaction image.

>>16585635
nah, you're a dumb faggot that doesen't get spanish

>>16585651
You're still bluffing because you think no one in this thread speaks Spanish. Go troll somewhere else.

>>16585606
it's his greatest critic

>>16585581
Why is his sister not there?

>>16585664
I once dreamt that I raped her. I woke up as happy as one can be.

>>16585554
I'd rather have Maestro posting than #14395734534 /pol/ thread

>>16585675
Go to bed, Steven.

>>16585686
Hello r*ddit

>>16585757
You know how I know you're a newfag?

>>16585552
OP cited correctly Maestro, seethe harder Neetchtard

Can you play piano /lit/?
https://youtu.be/E8O-iYauk2E

>>16585606
Raskolnikov

>>16586367
He has a portrait of himself on his house kek

>>16586494
Ultimate chad movement

>>16585785
Please do tell, pussy ass faggot

>>16585527
I am starting to like Mr. Maestro......

"Can there be anything more shortsighted than Nietzsche?"

"Suggestive and seductive, he seduces mostly ignorant people with beautiful words and with impressionable stupidities. He is an example of how you can seduce ignorant people with beautiful words and impressionable stupidities.

He says "Nietzsche's The birth of tragedy or Geneology oM contain the biggest absurdities, that no smart human mind, truly developed, can read."

"He has convinced many to read his philosophy which is an example of intelligence(in a bad way)."

>>16586643
He wrote this about Nietzsche too
http://www.nodulo.org/ec/2008/n081p13.htm
http://jesus-g-maestro.blogspot.com/2014/10/nietzsche-y-la-retorica-muerte-de-dios.html?m=1

>>16586494
lmao

>>16586643
>>16586880
Sorry to shit on your hero, but there's nothing besides meaningless platitudes here. It's like he learned about Nietzsche through tertiary postmodernist dogma and came to an idea of him that way. Even when he quotes him, he misses the point.

Question that doesn’t deserve its own thread: who is the best translator of Nietzsche? I want to read Beyond Good and Evil

>>16587162
>tertiary postmodernist dogma
he shits on postmodernism too even though he has unironically literally never read derrida or deleuze

>>16587203
He has read Derrida, even mentions him on the bibliography of his book

>>16585664
so cute

>>16586367
He has some good piano interpretations
https://youtu.be/7iRu-QTNQf4

>>16585522

Nietzsche is pretty emo desu

>>16586509
you have to suck my dick first

>>16585540
Why is he so passionate against Nietzche?

>>16588136
Nietzche is part of the protestant tradition.

>>16588136
See >>16585642

>>16585642
Maestro is an atheist, albeit culturally catholic. His reasons to shit on Neetche go beyond religion.

>>16588387
>His reasons to shit on Neetche go beyond religion.
Yeah, they're racially motivated. That's why Nietzsche points out race there.

>>16588411
If you see races as biological information you don't belong to /lit/ but /pol/ and yes Nietzsche is right in that statement.

>>16585522
Nonentities like this guy have been saying that since Nietzsche was still alive. Even if Nietzsche were wrong most of the time it still takes genius to seduce generations of readers, many of them notable philosophers, with beautiful words. Maybe he should point to some of those stupidities and attempt to explain why he finds them stupid.

>>16587162
Not like a neetchean could ever admit they're wrong.

>>16589549
If you didn't notice the stupidities then guess what

>>16585522
On the use and abuse of history for life is the best essays on historiography I've ever read.

>>16589549
>In this moment I am euphoric
Pretty much outweighs everything good you could say all on its own

>>16590309
So why didn't he go outside?

>>16590309
>Plato considered it necessary that the first generation of his new society (in the perfect state) would be brought up with the help of a powerful necessary lie. The children were to learn to believe that they had all already lived a long time dreaming under the earth, where they had been properly kneaded and formed by nature’s master worker. It was impossible to rebel against this past! Impossible to have any effect against the work of the gods! It is to stand as an inviolable law of nature that the person who is born a philosopher has gold in his body, whoever is born as a guard has only silver, and whoever is born as a worker has iron and bronze. Since it is not possible to mix these metals, Plato explains, then it should not be possible ever to overthrow or mix up the order of classes.
When you don't read the greeks

>>16590385
>When you don't read the greeks
When you don't read the greeks

>>16590471
>Neetch's greatest legacy is reddit
Thanks a lot.

w2c that jacket

>>16585522
Is Jesús G. Maestro effay?

>>Neetch's greatest legacy is reddit
>Thanks a lot.

no idea who this spic is but im going to assume hes some pinker tier liberast who deserves to have his limbs ripped off by horses

>>16591104
>he thinks Maestro is a liberal

>>16591104
>no idea who this spic

says the anglo-mutt

>>16589430
>If you see races as biological information you don't belong to /lit/ but /pol/
One can visit both. The Greeks would have.

>>16590664
Fuck yeah he is. Also we need to have a Maestro thread on the front page at all times; *nglos hate this simple trick, but they literally can’t compete.

>>16590563
Your bullshit one liner was Reddit to begin with, you fucking faggot.

>>16585522
Pretty much, he is shitty philsopher with no rigor or tight argumentation but who cares truth is relative anyway this is liek so deep man

>>16592908
>rigor or tight argumentation
>ACKCHYUALLY MY ACCREDITED SOURCES SAY ACCORDING TO THESE CHARTS AND GRAPHS

shut the fuck up

>>16592923
what the fuck are you even rambling about this time
stick to impersonating female quasi celebrities on the internet loser

>>16592908
You couldn't begin to explain how the interpretation of relativity was arrived at in the history of philosophy even if you tried. Stop pretending that your interpretive skills are on the same level as master jack-of-all-trades thinkers.

>>16590385
Why do pseuds fall for this shit?

>>16593305
Why are you so desperate to dismiss one of the 19th century's best philologist's take on the Greeks? Here's the rest of that paragraph, by the way:

>The faith in the aeterna veritas [eternal truth] of this order is the basis of the new education and thus of the new state. The modern German similarly believes now in the aeterna veritas of his education, of his style of culture. Nevertheless, this faith would collapse, as the Platonic state would have collapsed, if in opposition to the necessary lie there was set up a necessary truth: the German has no culture, because he can have nothing whatsoever on the basis of his education. He wants the flowers without roots and stalk. So he wants them in vain. That is the simple truth, unpleasant and gross, a correct necessary truth.

>>16591104
>HE MUST BE LIBERAL O-OTHERWISE I CAN'T DEFEND DADDY NEETCHE
Get a grip fucking faggot

>>16591104
>liberal
Maestro says that there's life beyond communism and liberalism, shits on democracy, shits on the French Revolution, how is he a liberal?

>>16593704
Guess he made the assumption since he's attacking Nietzsche.

>>16588226
Damn dude, I'm not sure I've seen someone misunderstand Nietzsche this deeply before.

>>16594076
He is. There would be no Nietzsche, nor German Idealism, nor Nazism, without Luther.

>>16594117
>Nietzsche
>related to German Idealism or Nazism

>>16594125
They all have the same root

>>16594131
lol no. Nietzsche was strongly against the Protestantism of Germans. Philosophically and culturally he has nothing to do with it.

>>16594125
https://youtu.be/7WuWWTp88LA

>>16594147
They have same root, that doesn't have anything to do with his stance on such topics

>>16594162
"same root" is meaningless. Nietzsche acknowledged the atheistic barbarism underlying the German race. Protestantism was an idiocy to him. Saying he's part of the Protestant tradition is utterly worthless at getting at a better understanding of him.

>>16585522
How can Maestro be so based but at the same time such a faggot?

>>16594243
How is he a faggot?

>>16593517
>19th century's best philologist
Lmao and who is the 21st century's best gender theorist?

>>16594125
Nietzsche is a by product of Schopenhauer and Germanic philology tradition, what does it say to you?

this thread showed us how little brain our anglo brothers have

>>16594243
Because he's a fucking nerd pretending he's not, just your typical e-fag (a boomer one)

?Que quiere decir "Tio", es como amigo o hermano verdad?

>>16594349
"hombre, usted, tú, eh", it's an informal way to address someone

>>16585522
I wouldn't be as impolite as he is, but I don't think he is wrong.

Nietzsche's philosophy is not very good, but he is a pretty good writer and writes in an emotional way. He is the kind of writer that can convince people that eating shit is good due to the way he uses his words.

Except that, you know, eating shit is not really good, so you have to step back and parse what he is saying.

>>16594340
You’re a fucking retard. Get intelligent faggot.

>>16594540
I was waiting for your cope. Seethe, fag, Seethe!

>>16594578
get bent gaywad

>>16594279
Did you think this was witty?

>>16589549
>Even if Nietzsche were wrong most of the time it still takes genius to seduce generations of readers, many of them notable philosophers, with beautiful words.
No it doesn't. It takes a bit of fame and daring assertion after daring assertion. That is all that was required for post-Kantian fame in philosophy.

>>16593517
He isn't even the 19th century's best philologist, he is only it's most famous.

>>16593113
>on the same level as master jack-of-all-trades thinkers
Are you implying Nietzsche was a jack of all trades thinker? The man that failed mathematics, then had to beg to his teacher to pass him so as to become a professor? The man who had such a poor understanding of things he didn't believe tautologies were true? Actual jack of all trades thinkers like Leonardo or Leibniz or Spinoza would cringe reading Nietzsche.

The current state of /lit/ is underwhelming enough.
Imagine actually listening to a spaniard's take on anything at all, how disgusting.

>>16594394
Even this I disagree with. It is quite funny, the arguments Nietzsche uses against the music of Wagner and his style can be applied straight back to Nietzsche and his prose, which makes you realize why they were so close for so long.

>>16587185
Walter Kaufman

>>16585554
Spanish is not a language suited to understand Germaniac thought

>>16595390
>Are you implying Nietzsche was a jack of all trades thinker?
Absolutely. There wasn't an intellectual domain Nietzsche didn't involve himself with and ultimately excel at, even mathematics.

>then had to beg to his teacher to pass him so as to become a professor
He became a professor due to his accomplishments as a philologist. No idea where you got this rubbish from.

>>16595390
>>16595510
Jack of all trades, master of none

>>16595524
philosophy*

>>16595529
He wasn't even a philosopher

>>16595542
How many times are you going to post this retarded shit?

>>16585554
no

>>16588136
passion is a trait inherent in latin speakers and this is double so for spanish speakers
sorry that the only passion you can muster as an germ*noid or someone of g*rm descent is when the next version of a video game console is announced

>>16585540
holy based
btw cervantes was catholic

You will not see any actually relevant philosopher shit talk Nietzsche. It's always second rate celebrities wishing they contributed anything meaningful to the field.

>>16596678
you will never see any relevant philosopher criticise jews

>>16585522
He's just a consevicuck that was raised with all sorts of Catholicuck fairytales and enjoyed reading fiction/novels, this retard spic has no idea about philosophy and he is very offended by Nietzsche's criticism on his retard belief system but the only way his 2 spic neurons can come up with a reply is with a personal attack on Nietzsche

>>16596705
he's basically repeated what everyone with at least two neurons to spare for thinking has said: that nietzsche is a glorified self-help writer

>>16596710
Self-help is just a part, he gives reasons for combating nihilism, if he's a self help writer then every existentialist is, that's a very ignorant comment from you but the thing is you are just a catholicuck and the part that really bothers you is his criticism of Christianity, that's your real issue but you try to belittle it, "oh he's just a self-help writer" Fuck off retard, you've probably never even read him and all the fairytales you've accepted since little have damaged your brain so much you have no ability of rational thinking, as Nietzsche said you have a slave moral and you enjoy and love being a slave, sad!

>>16596720
you literally just said he is a self-help author and then extended that statement to the rest of a branch in philosophy which is more telling of you than me
anyway remain butthurt, i agree with maestro 100% that only idiots actually listen to neet

>>16596705
>NOOOOO AAAAAAJJJHHHHHHH IS THAT AN AD HOM FALLACY AAAAAAAAJJHHHHHH MY WILL TO POWER FADING I'M GOING INSANE WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

>>16596720
>as Nietzsche said you have a slave moral and you enjoy and love being a slave, sad!
>t. 14 year old

bump

>>16593113
>You couldn't begin to explain how the interpretation of relativity was arrived at in the history of philosophy even if you tried. Stop pretending that your interpretive skills are on the same level as master jack-of-all-trades thinkers.
Perspectivism is an irrational idea that any intelligent 12 year old can point out its self refuting character, the fact that Nietzsche failed to see it tells you all that you need to know about his status as a "thinker".

>>16585540
>los españoles jamas tuvieron prejuicios raciales

uhhh maestro, breh...
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estatutos_de_limpieza_de_sangre

>>16595510
Why do neetchfags keep pretending that philologist means a fucking thing?

>>16597173
Wut

>>16596720
>you should combat nihilism with your own subjective, passive, conditioned will!
he was pure sentimentalism anon come on it's time to grow up

>>16597120
What's irrational about it?

>>16597627
It denies empirical reality, by suggesting that all points of view are equally valid, and that there is nothing more to reality than the collection of our prejudices.

>>16598047
imagine misunderstanding perspectivism to this level

>>16598047
>by suggesting that all points of view are equally valid
It doesn't suggest this.

>>16598054
I didn't misunderstood anything, Nietzscheans can protest all they want about how pointing out the inanity of his perspectivism "is entirely missing the point", I am not buying it. You can introduce as many levels of subtlety as you want, the core idea is very simple and is expressed perfectly and succintly in the slogan there are no facts, only interpretations.

>>16598089
Yes it does if there are no facts all points of vie are equally valid

>>16598115
If there are no facts, only interpretations, then power rather than truth is the measure of validity. Interpretations are not equal.

>>16598123
They are equally valid in terms of objectively describing reality, which is the reason why his view makes zero sense.

>>16598244
>in terms of objectively describing reality
This is what doesn't make sense. There is no "objectively describing reality" when you are an individual monad acting out your will, or in more modern terms, an animal acting on biological instinct. So upon dropping this false premise, interpretations are not equally valid at all, as you said before. The way we measure the validity of an interpretation has simply changed.

>>16598278
>This is what doesn't make sense. There is no "objectively describing reality" when you are an individual monad acting out your will, or in more modern terms, an animal acting on biological instinct.
It actually makes perfect sense when you realize that this argument is completely fallacious. From the fact that we experience reality from a subjective point of view it doesn't follow that reality itself is subjective. This is one of the most common bad arguments Perspectivists use.

>>16598373
>when you realize that this argument is completely fallacious.
So we aren't animals, and the world isn't simultaneously filtered through and constructed by our biology? Care to try and argue why?

>From the fact that we experience reality from a subjective point of view it doesn't follow that reality itself is subjective.
"subjective" and "objective" are just words. The point is that no organism has the hardware to "objectively" understand anything. To even suppose that there is something "objective" to understand is to use the word wrongly, because there is no object without a subject.

>>16585522
>>Nietzsche demonstrates how you can seduce ignorants with beautiful words and impressive stupidities. The biggest stupidities I've ever read from a so called "philosopher" has been from Nietzsche.

Based and redpilled.

>>16598421
>"subjective" and "objective" are just words. The point is that no organism has the hardware to "objectively" understand anything. To even suppose that there is something "objective" to understand is to use the word wrongly, because there is no object without a subject.
Of course there is. Trump is, as a matter of fact, the 44th president of the United States. If you think it's Charlie Chaplin instead, you are just wrong. And we do have to hardware to make this judgment, it's called the brain.
Also the idea that there is no object without a subject is demonstrably false and contradicts everything we know about the world. Subjective experience only exists in a tiny part of the cosmos, namely in animals with certain kinds of nervous systems. The Universe is much older than the emergence of life on earth, and it will continue to exist after we are all wiped out.

>>16598914
>Trump is, as a matter of fact, the 44th president of the United States.
What part of this statement do you think is objective? Pick out the word referring to objectivity.

>The Universe is much older than the emergence of life on earth, and it will continue to exist after we are all wiped out.
Name one property of the universe that you think would outlast all subjective judgement.

>>16598110
>there are no facts, only interpretations.
That's the dumb misinterpretation, you stupid faggot

>>16599024
It's a direct quote from the man himself, not an interpretation

>>16599042
That's a translation

>>16598946
>What part of this statement do you think is objective? Pick out the word referring to objectivity.
All of it, Trump is the 44th president of the US, that's a fact.
>Name one property of the universe that you think would outlast all subjective judgement.
The Milky Way existed before homo sapiens evolved on planet earth, and it will continue to do so after we are all dead.

>>16599042
>>16599049
and a shitty translation at that

>>16599049
So fucking what, unless you want to claim the translation is shit there is no misenterpretation here, his point is clear as day

>>16599057
A fact is something that is eternally the case. There's nothing in the statement that is eternally the case. Same with the Milky Way. You can't point to a property that is eternally the case from either of these statements, because there aren't any.

>>16599069
>there are some facts and some interpretations

>>16599073
>A fact is something that is eternally the case. There's nothing in the statement that is eternally the case. Same with the Milky Way. You can't point to a property that is eternally the case from either of these statements, because there aren't any.
A fact is not something that is eternally the same, this is your made up strawman definition. A fact is what is objectively the case, and it can change with the passage of time. Trump is now the president of the US, but it may not be so after the 2020 election.

>>16599090
>A fact is what is objectively the case, and it can change with the passage of time.
Then it's an interpretation, lol.

>Trump is now the president of the US, but it may not be so after the 2020 election.
"Trump," "president," "United States," "2020," "election," etc. are all concepts. Concepts stem from the brains that manufacture them. Other animals have no notion of any of these; they don't exist at all for any of them. Our brains are certainly special among the animal kingdom, but not in terms of achieving an objective sense of the world. We're no closer to this than the other animals.

You're gravely misunderstanding Nietzsche's point on this. You started the argument with a major misunderstanding of his view to begin with, which was that the statement implied that all interpretations are equally valid, when that's not what Nietzsche thought. The point of the statement isn't to suggest this at all. Rather, it's to get us to think about our observations as observations, and to examine them in relation to ourselves, what we want, and how we want, so that we can better dissect them, learn from them, and refine our understanding. Thanks partly to Nietzsche, theories such as relativity and quantum mechanics came to fruition in the sciences.

>>16599126
>Thanks partly to Nietzsche, theories such as relativity and quantum mechanics came to fruition in the sciences.
hay que joderse para leer esto

>>16599130
If you have something to say, write it in English, faggot.

>>16599147
nyet

>>16585522
Jesús González Maestro go brr

>>16599147
Anglos seethe.
El español tiene una riqueza que usted nunca lograra adquirir.

>>16599161
>El español tiene una riqueza que usted nunca lograra adquirir.
I'm sure it does, but we're having a conversation, so you're just being a faggot right now.

>>16599178
nah faggot, it's in the heart of the conversation you're trying to have.
Ve y cuelgate, maricon.

>>16599126
>Then it's an interpretation, lol.
Trump is the president now, but he won't be tomorrow if he dies from Covid. This is not a hard concept to grasp.
>"Trump," "president," "United States," "2020," "election," etc. are all concepts. Concepts stem from the brains that manufacture them. Other animals have no notion of any of these; they don't exist at all for any of them.
None of these arguments are any good. From the fact that "Trump" is a concept it doesn't follow that it can't refer to an actual thing in the world, namely Trump himself. And from the fact that a cat doesn't have the concept of Trump it doesn't follow that Trump himself isn't real.
>You're gravely misunderstanding Nietzsche's point on this. You started the argument with a major misunderstanding of his view to begin with, which was that the statement implied that all interpretations are equally valid, when that's not what Nietzsche thought. The point of the statement isn't to suggest this at all. Rather, it's to get us to think about our observations as observations, and to examine them in relation to ourselves, what we want, and how we want, so that we can better dissect them, learn from them, and refine our understanding.
That's the conclusion you end up with if you don't believe in objective reality, because then there is nothing to provide truth values to propositions.
>Thanks partly to Nietzsche, theories such as relativity and quantum mechanics came to fruition in the sciences.
This is complete nonsense perpetrated by people with a pop understanding of these subjects, Nietzsche made zero contributions to these fields.

>>16599201
>This is not a hard concept to grasp.
You don't really understand the arguments laid out by Kant, Schopenhauer, and Nietzsche if you think this concept reaches anything other than a surface level of the problem. Or, you haven't even read them. One of those two are the case.

>From the fact that "Trump" is a concept it doesn't follow that it can't refer to an actual thing in the world, namely Trump himself.
The existence of the world isn't what's being argued, it's the perceived nature of it that's being argued.

>That's the conclusion you end up with if you don't believe in objective reality, because then there is nothing to provide truth values to propositions.
Correct, and there's no reason to "believe" in "objective reality" anymore after reaching Nietzsche's understanding. This is not the same as saying that there is no way to further our understanding of the world, and that all interpretations are equally valid.

>Nietzsche made zero contributions to these fields.
This is coming from someone who doesn't even understand Nietzsche. Your opinion is worthless on the matter. And no, "there are no facts, only interpretations" doesn't prevent me from positing this.

>>16599232
>You don't really understand the arguments laid out by Kant, Schopenhauer, and Nietzsche if you think this concept reaches anything other than a surface level of the problem. Or, you haven't even read them. One of those two are the case.
You are pivoting. The claim you made is that if a fact is not eternal then it must be merely an "interprettion". The example I gave you illustrates how facts don't have to be eternal. Trump being the president is a fact, but it's not an eternal fact.
>The existence of the world isn't what's being argued, it's the perceived nature of it that's being argued.
Previously you said that there is no object without subject, but if you want to move to weaker position that all our perceptions are false, we can talk about that too. It's also completely wrong headed.
>Correct, and there's no reason to "believe" in "objective reality" anymore after reaching Nietzsche's understanding. This is not the same as saying that there is no way to further our understanding of the world, and that all interpretations are equally valid.
Yes it is, anyone with a basic grasp of logic can see the inference. If there is no objective reality there is nothing to understand. Understanding is a success verb, if there is nothing you are getting right there can be no understanding.
>This is coming from someone who doesn't even understand Nietzsche. Your opinion is worthless on the matter
This is the opinion of the scientists actually working in the field. Go and find a scientific theory credited on Nietzsche. There is zero.

>>16599297
>You are pivoting. The claim you made is that if a fact is not eternal then it must be merely an "interprettion".
First, there's no "merely" in my assertion. It may be all the same to you, but you're not acknowledging my position correctly when you say that. Second of all, you aren't addressing the ontological implications of the premise with your statement, which is what their arguments addressed. Nietzsche arrives at that conclusion after reading Schopenhauer, who read Kant, and what they were examining were problems of metaphysics: the thing-in-itself, the noumenal world, time and space, causality, logic, reason, etc. You're here talking about Trump being president, but these conclusions were derived from examining the concepts of being, becoming, and perception itself. Trump is a man, a human, an organism, a subject, a thing — but a thing's properties, including its "thingness" (so to speak), are all subject to interpretation, and manifest only in a perceiving subject.

>Previously you said that there is no object without subject
Yes, but I didn't say that there were no subject and object at all. The point was not only to affirm their nature as interdependent, relative concepts, simultaneously occurring together, but as qualitative degrees of one another, so that we could address other matters such as perception and truth with this understanding instead.

>If there is no objective reality there is nothing to understand.
This is correct but for the wrong reason. True, the arguments that Nietzsche and myself provide do imply that reality is incomprehensible, irrational — so thoroughly irrational that it is simultaneously both irrational AND rational, because they do not deny the existence of rationality, just simply its objectivity — but they do not imply that interpretations are all equally valid, because validity requires a measurement, and the measurement in this case has become power rather than truth. What makes an interpretation more valid than another is how well it holds up under the scrutiny of the world, like a hypothesis in an experiment. There is no interpretation, no hypothesis, that is going to hold up in all cases, but some of them will hold up better than others, and we can continue to refine them through testing. It's not truth that we get closer to with each refinement, but power, for the better our interpretations can endure the world, the better we can control the world.

>Go and find a scientific theory credited on Nietzsche. There is zero.
There doesn't need to be any. Those theories already existed as ideas in Nietzsche, but his work wasn't focused on producing scientific data with which the scientists could use to refer to. Instead, he inspired and guided scientists and more importantly their investors towards conducting certain new experiments in order to formulate certain new hypotheses — in an indirect way, of course, but the point is that he already had the theories in his head.

>Maestro
His name is Jesus González Maestro.

>>16599488
>he's a teacher
>name is maestro
who ever wrote this book is a hack

>>16597230
Why wouldn't it mean anything, you braindead faggot?

>>16585540
this was really pleasant to listen to
as a mexican I've always felt that we shit on too hard on our hispanic heritage despite it conforming 99% of what we are at least until the 2000s when globalization started to hit us really hard
forgetting that we are culturally catholic (at least externally, we are probably the most "degenerate" in the catholic sense of the word of the hispano-american) our character and view of life is something I consider to be characteristically spanish, of course though just in an outlying way since spain itself has a diverse view of life due to their different ethnicities, etc.
it's true that the spanish came here to exploit this country, but people here seem to think that they exterminated the natives and did nothing good
yet we speak the spanish language, and unironically we all have spanish blood in us.
why do we choose to identify entirely with the indian side of our blood? i have no clue why we do this and I suspect there's some commie shenanigans behind this impulse of ours, but i digress, the fact that we speak their language, inhereted their mannerisms to a degree, inherited their religion means that a lot more happened than just mindless exploitation or genocide.
ultimately i don't have any sort of sentiments of being a spanish-phile nor do I think any autistic thoughts like Mexico is spain light, that we were better off with the spanish, etc. rather we are not seeing the truth. the mexicans that choose not to recognize their european side and only wish to recognize the indian side are not seeing the truth.
rather we are neither indian or european as maestro said in a different way, we are something else, but for us to be born the spanish must have reproduced with the indians, not exterminate them
i wish people were less ignorant about this and more willing to be honest, it's honestly headache inducing even if it doesn't change anything at the end

This guy sounds based, where do I start with him?

>>16585522
holy based

>>16599844
don't, he ruined my enjoyment of don quijote
he's a hispanophile and you can clearly see he loves spain but he's a nofunallowed elitist when it comes to literature

>>16587185
Stanford is coming out with the complete works translated by a team of highly qualified scholars, undoubtedly it will be the definitive scholarly edition when complete. Beyond good and evil is already done, available for $30 (includes the genealogy).

Walter Kaufman gets the tone really well, but has several mistranslations. Also he was pretty biased because he wanted to tame Nietzsche for western audiences who associated Nietsche with the nazis.

>>16600765
Thanks

Nietzsche, Friedrich. A favorite between the ages of 16 and 19, but no longer. Essentially a writer for very young people. Individualist in the large sense.

>>16594076
>I don't understand what "protestant tradition" means

Maestroposters made me want to learn Spanish. Should I learn Latin, Modern, or Ancient Spanish first?

>>16602528
You call it Protestant tradition, but it's really the Hellenic tradition making a comeback.

>>16602530
>Maestroposters
>s

>>16603033
it actually is s cause there's at least 2 ;)

>>16585522
Yes. Nietzsche came across the same existential crisis most philosphers do, and rather than realizing dwelling in pain, while seductive, brings only more pain, he just embraced it as it made him feel better than others.
His was another form of elitism, as contradictory to nihilism as that sounds, when in reality we are all the same.

>>16602530
Just read el Quijote as many times as you can and watch movies. If you speak to people, make sure they aren’t total plebs, aka Central Americans and most Hispanics in the US, because their spoken Spanish is absolute garbage.

>>16603199
south american spanish is also shit
really only speak with spainards from the ol' castilla and leon
t. mexican

>>16588387
>Maestro is an atheist
literally doesn't mean anything as you admit
>albeit culturally catholic
>His reasons to shit on Neetche go beyond religion.
exactly. almost like his being.

>>16603217
Non-flaite Chilean Spanish is literally the best. That's why we do most tv dubs. But sure, the average mexican, peruvian, or colombian speaks better spanish than the average chilean or argie.

>>16602530
>>16603199
>>16603217
I'm working on learning it as well. I decided to just go with the Mexican variety as a basis. I'm an American and that's the only type of Spanish I would ever end up interacting with in real life (I don't travel). Also I don't see how the pronunciation really matters here. I don't affect a fake British accent when I read a British novel, same here, no reason to try to use a Castilian accent.

>>16585522
image being this filtered

bump

>>16599989
>he ruined my enjoyment of don quijote
How so? Can't you just read the book you like without others opinions?

>>16588387
there is no practical difference between a catholic and an atheist who still goes by catholic morals

>>16605018
cause I become conscious of what I'm reading
rather than just reading the amusing tale of the errant knight Don Quijote I end up reading it from the perspective of a literary critic (no matter how novice or barebones that may be)
I don't wanna do that shit I just wanna read and immerse myself into it
and how he did it specifically if you wanna get into details is accusing the narrator (Cervantes) of being a liar, which basically distracts me from reading the story edited by Cervantes as narrated by someone unknown as translated by the bastard moor as recorded by Cidi Hamete Berengeli
It's no wonder this guy claimed that literature isn't meant to be fun, I can't see how he could have it if he constantly interrupts his own reading

>>16605018
he's one of those autistic readers. ignore him and read Maestro.
>>16606545
blah blah, suck my dick you whiny cunt

>>16606563
Deny that he said that reading literature is not meant to be fun.

>>16599989
imgaine being this dumb faggot.
Cuelgate, maricon.

>>16606596
That's for you to refute, faggot.

>>16606605
I'm not going to refute it, I'm going to let him have his assertion, yet I'm also going to not do what he says and read for fun, ergo I will not read maestro or look into his dialectical whatever for comprehending literature, and for other anons that wish to keep having fun reading I advice they do the same.

maestro bump

Would Nietzsche vote for Trump?

>>16607657
nietzsche would be a porn addict browsing /leftypol/ and posting stirner

>>16607657
He wouldn't live in the US

>>16607673
But what if he did?
>>16607663
Yes, but what would he vote? I think 45% of leftpol porn adicts probably voted trump.

>>16607690
idk if anything neet seems like someone who would disavow democracy all together and choose not to vote
just like leftypol

>>16607657
I don't think Nietzsche was very into the whole concept of voting lol

>>16607657
>*nglos and am*ricans turning a thread on Nietzsche and Jesús G. Maestro on /pol/

>>16607701
>>16607710
He thought if democracy were to work, voting would have to be mandatory. He'd also live outside the democratic state. That's basically what his politics was about.

>>16607719
>spending your time on an Anglo website created by an American
based retard

>>16607719
maestro would definitely vote for america if he was slightly dumber
the rhetoric seems the same you know, america first vs maestro's staunch anti-europeanism

>>16607731
I meant for trump* not america (freudian slip?)
anyway the other anon is right, we're starting to debase and derail this thread's topic
>>16607729
japanese inspired website owned by a japanese lol

>>16607739
and you're still speaking English to Anglos lol enjoy

>>16607755
you've actually hurt me
i wish i could ofrget the english language, oh god how I wish I could forget it
there's no way to forget it anon, i'm cursed to thinking in english forever

>>16607731
You have a point, but he hates democracy too much for that