/lit/ - Literature

just watch Neil de Grasse tyson videos and post on Reddit until the end of fucking time

Shit like this is produced by bourgeois think tanks to make the middle class complacent while the rich steals all their fucking money and uses literal slaves in the third world to make their trendy glitter iPhone cases.

Go sit in a park with your sweetie! (DON'T HAVE ONE, ALL SOCIAL RELATIONS HAVE DEGENERATED TO ORGYPORGY PROLEFEED NIGHTMARE)

Take Facebook tweet selfies of your stupid bullshit! (ENDLESSLY FOCUS ON DAY-TO-DAY PETTY SOCIALIZING AND LASCHIAN NARCISSISTIC GRANDSTANDING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ALL HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO LITERALLY PREHISTORICAL LEVELS OF HYPERGAMY IN A WHIRLING GYRE OF MEANINGLESS TINDER FACEFUCKING FOR THE SELECT FEW AND ELLIOT RODGER RESENTMENT FOR THE REST)

Consume trendy garbage and eat cool food :P!!!! (LITERALLY CHINESE NIGGER SLAVES MADE YOUR STUPID BULLSHIT "THINKGEEK.COM" BAUBLES AND DESIGNER STRETCHPANTS, IN ENDLESS WASTELANDS THAT RESEMBLE THE FACTORIES OF INDUSTRIAL ENGLAND MARX WROTE ABOUT IN COMPLETE HORROR)

These people are trying to thought control you into passively reclining and injecting low-effort Mythbusters reddit filth into your brain and ignoring the dull ache of meaninglessness and consumerist overstimulation from inhaling high fructose corn syrup and salt all fucking day

"Optimistic nihilism" is what rich faggots pay slightly less rich faggots to convince lumpenproles to think they're experiencing when they work in a cubicle for 45 years to finance a lifestyle of watching proles modify Nerf guns and design "man caves". Turn off the Youtube and develop some tastes and moral preferences taht an algorithm designed by Amazon can't predict and use to predict your entire life befoer you've evn lived it you peice of fucking shit

Optimistic nihilism is more delusional than any religion and more self centered than any form of hedonism.

Optimistic nihilism doesn't exist, it's a cope for 14 years old retards

>>16576147
Sounds like a sorority's motto

>>16576147
>optimistic nihilism

>>16576170
based

>>16576170
cringe

>>16576170

>>16576170
stale

>>16576170
Have sex

>>16576147
>optimistic nihilism
and they call religion a cope

>>16576170
unironically based as fuck schizoposter

Absirdism

Huge cope

>>16576170
>watching proles modify Nerf guns and design "man caves".
Incredible, inspired post. An achievement.

>>16576170
Based

>>16576170
fpbp

>>16576170
>NO YOU CAN'T JUST BE NIHILISTIC AND ENJOY LIFE, YOU NEED TO SAVE THE WHITE RACE REEEEEE

>>16576329
>t. lumenprole

>>16576147
>Optimistic Nihilism

>>16576329
>NIHILISTIC
>ENJOY LIFE
room temperature IQ right there

>>16576170
based schizo copypasta poster

>>16576329
>NOOOO YOU CANT BE RESENTFUL OF A SYSTEM DESIGNED TO EXPLOIT YOU AND KEEP YOU COMPLACENT, YOU HAVE TO ENJOY YOUR IMPOTENCE REEEE

>>16576333
>using leftist buzzwords to validate your own retardation

>>16576170
I'll say this. Modernity can and will rob the world of meaning if you allow it to. Simple followers, the lemmings of the world, will plunge off a cliff into ruin. But that means it's on you to find a system of meaning that gives your life value. You raise the example of decaying relationships. In this modern world it's on you to find and sustain relationships.

>>16576359
>YOU HAVE TO ENJOY YOUR IMPOTENCE REEEE
Cope and projection

>>16576359
All systems are designed to exploit people and keep them complacent.

The world has never been good.

>>16576147
Me on the left.

>>16576365
>t. lumenprole

Any kind of nihilism will eventually lead you to nothingness, an empty life, no beliefs, no goals, no achievements, a bland life.

>>16576375
The stupidity is believing that in the "good ole days" people didn't go from cradle to the grave with a meaningless existence. The only difference is that you had religion acting as opium for the peepoos

>>16576389
You're a reactionary using leftist buzzwords to sound intellectual, kill yourself larper

>>16576401
>The only difference is that you had religion acting as opium for the peepoos
It gave meaning and a deep sense of connection to the world, cope however you want, but everytime you walk outside of a church after service, you notice how those people are insanely happier and more fulfilled than you are.

>friend said he was an "optimistic nihilist"
I blocked him and haven't spoken to him since

>>16576407
>t. lumenprole

>>16576413
I bet he also felt pretty smart when he said that, absolute idiot

>>16576414
>>t. lumenprole
>>t. lumenprole
>>t. lumenprole

isn't the philosophy behind nihilistic nihilism something along the lines of "you make your own meaning"?

>>16576432
>t. lumenprole

>>16576147
I haven't read anything about this. I only know the term because some youtube channel with an unpronounceable name made a video on it and people posted it on here. From what I gather, it's just an endorsement of the current mindset people have developed or been trained to develop.

>>16576425
He unironically uses the Rick and morty quote "nothing matters so let's watch TV" as a basis for his philosophical beliefs. I am not making that up.

>>16576407
I don't understand, is criticism of consumerist society built on explotative labor and the dumbing down of a complacent global middle class /pol/ or right wing?

wtf i love pol now

>>16576432
>>16576407
>>16576365
It's funny how you can trigger a leftist with a single retarded word, just fuck off back to plebbit

>>16576434
Yes, that is literally what optimistic nihilism is. But of course, that isn’t in line with what /pol/tards and the modern liberal things since they worship some form of monolith.

>yes I think there's meaning in suffering alone, how could you tell?
Nihilism btfo

>>16576447
Seriously lmao. I didn't think disliking the mistreatment of workers in Asia or the damaging effects of capital on humanity was a right-wing thing, but judging by this thread I guess so.

>>16576147

disdain and disgust

“Optimistic nihilism“ is a practice, a desperate quagmire, in the art of metacognition a la incessantly lying to oneself about your most fond and personal ontological intuitions at best and a paradox at worst. Nihilism rallies against the deepest intuitions of the human spirit - our stark will for purpose, structure, and belonging - and turns the individual into an unanimated husk against their better volition. This is not an optional process. The most foolhardy endeavor I ever ventured on was to become unwittingly oriented with materialist nihilism and to LARP as if it were possible to find fulfillment under such auspices. The truth is, nihilism simply does not comport with human nature. There are many paths one can take after this realization, the most childish of which being to pretend that there is any kind of internal peace to be found therein. I can almost admire the bravery of it if it weren’t in truth naivety masquerading as magnanimity.

>>16576147
Yeah literally every piece of American media from the last 10 years you fucking faggot

>>16576483
>>16576447
>dude hypergamy and degeneracy, I'm such an incel, we need a revolution, but a right wing race realist one that will reserve pussy for me
>I'm totally a leftist guys

>>16576468
why is there meaning in suffering
how did it get there

>>16576170

<muh margzism hurfffffff

can we have a referendum on double chin posters

>>16576499
When did I say I care at all about race or hypergamy?

>>16576501
By not killing yourself you are revolting from the suffering or the cosmic, societal, and personal powers that cause it. Thus there is objective meaning in suffering because of how it glorifies us

>>16576329
>YOU NEED TO SAVE THE WHITE RACE
Your reading comprehension is laughable.

>>16576434
>>16576459
Nihilism is skepticism towards universal positive truth claims, which have had devastating effects. The Buddhists have an interesting take on this by only describing the transcendent sublime with negative terms, which is also why westerners think that Buddhism is nihilistic

>>16576401
Imagine confusing nihilism with absurdism. Nihilistic nihilism is literally "the pursuit of any meaning is futile." Absurdism is a nihilism characterized by the search for personal meaning anywayn optimistic nihilism is woah elon musk based :DDD

>>16576147
Reading books is for losers

>>16576535
>Nihilistic nihilism is literally "the pursuit of any meaning is futile."
They're also right, you can't search for meaning because it's an endless abyss. Meaning simply is, denying the material is how cults operate but it has nothing to do with truth and meaning

>>16576483
It's absolutely not, just retards ITT thinking because he said "chinks" or whatever he must surely be some rightwing peepeepoomer /pol/tard.

>>16576590
No he also went on a mini incel rant, dude is some ebin nazbol using leftist talking points and terminology

>>16576499
He doesnt mentin saving the white race, he does mention hypergamy and orgyporgy though but is that so sacred to you that any mention of a consumerist society turning relationships and sex into another bauble to buy/trade/display is inevitably linked to the pol-right-wing-fascist-incel-white-supremacist network??

>/lit/ arguing over old copypasta
based

REMINDER
AS LONG AS QUALIA EXISTS IN HUMANS
NIHILISM WILL NEVER FIT A GOOD LIVING MODEL FOR HUMANS
BECAUSE QUALIA IS TRACED BACK TO GOD HIS HIGHNESS HIS BENEVOLENT
IF YOU TAKE GOD AWAY FROM THE EQUATION
YOU TAKE THE AWAY THE HEART OF QUALIA

>>16576147
Read Epicurus.

TL;DR: World is comprised of atoms and the void, gods exist, but they're so perfect they live in their own dimensions and don't care about material world or humans, death is not to be feared, since we won't experience it.

His philosophy is all about how to live a good life and he has one of the best descriptions of pleasure:

>Although Epicurus has been commonly misunderstood as an advocate of the rampant pursuit of pleasure, he, in fact, maintained that a person can only be happy and free from suffering by living wisely, soberly, and morally. He strongly disapproved of raw, excessive sensuality and warned that a person must take into account whether the consequences of his actions will result in suffering, writing, "the pleasant life is produced not by a string of drinking bouts and revelries, nor by the enjoyment of boys and women, nor by fish and the other items on an expensive menu, but by sober reasoning." He also wrote that a single good piece of cheese could be equally pleasing as an entire feast. Furthermore, Epicurus taught that "it is not possible to live pleasurably without living sensibly and nobly and justly", because a person who engages in acts of dishonesty or injustice will be "loaded with troubles" on account of his own guilty conscience and will live in constant fear that his wrongdoings will be discovered by others. A person who is kind and just to others, however, will have no fear and will be more likely to attain ataraxia.

>Epicurus distinguished between two different types of pleasure: "moving" pleasures (κατὰ κίνησιν ἡδοναί) and "static" pleasures (καταστηματικαὶ ἡδοναί). "Moving" pleasures occur when one is in the process of satisfying a desire and involve an active titillation of the senses. After one's desires have been satisfied (e.g. when one is full after eating), the pleasure quickly goes away and the suffering of wanting to fulfill the desire again returns. For Epicurus, static pleasures are the best pleasures because moving pleasures are always bound up with pain.

>>16576666
based cryptognostic schizo

>>16576147
>optimism: an animic perspective
>nihilism: a philosophical conclusion
Optimistic nihilism isn't a thing. Do your research, Franco Volpi has written a book about the subject. People says that Leibniz was an optimist, but I don't think so; I don't see a philosophical relation in saying that this is the best of the posible worlds and being optimistic, since we all know the social world is fucking disastrous.
Since optimism is not essentially opossed to nihilism, but pessimism, I think is not intellectually relevant to elaborate in that sense; since there are better conjuctions like passive and active nihilism. You sound like illiterate twitter zoomers that need a "Queernihilism ROM" to download and install in their minds as a personality, instead of getting the work done and constructing your own after reading enough about the subject.

>>16576170
baste

>>16576706
But he doesn't even mention either of those things lol. The only thing that's in that sphere he brings up is the warped relationship dynamic in modern society.

>>16576736
I know you're out of the loop, but there are several /lit/ posters who have psychic abilities and all hate each other and constantly try to gaslight and start fights with one another.

Obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14

>>16576170
>>16576180
>>16576191
>>16576217
>>16576270
>>16576355
>NOOOOO! YOU CAN'T BE HAPPY!! YOU CAN'T BE HAPPY OR YOU'RE STOOPID!!!!11 SMART PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE SAD! I'M SAD BECAUSE I'M SMART, NOT BECAUSE I'M A LOSER RETARD! SAAAD!!!1 :'(

>>16576855
cope

>>16576855
you're cringeposting

>>16576329
People with a strong sense of racial identity are happier on average.

>>16576855
>>>/reddit/

>>16576379
This

>>16576855
Based, midwits cant handle this

>>16576170
>when even the commie thinks nihilism is gay
This is a weird feel

>>16576855
Guess we found the wall. Presumably the wall the dirge metal emos are leaning against.

>>16577014
>everything that isn't return to tradition poopposting is nihilism

>>16576147
"A Kurtzgezagt pseud video becomes my entire ideology and identity: the post"

>>16576965
>>16576983
>>16576970
Seething because there's no connection between objective purpose and being happy.

>>1657709
>no you cant be happy unless you have this objective purpose given to you by our ideological institution/organization outside of which is nihilism
It's a cult mindset

>>16576669
Epicurus got dunked on by the stoics, Christians, neo Platonists, Manichaens and anyone who ever heard of him.

>>16577096
No, try again.

>>16577164
He was completely and utterly misrepresented by them. So much so that the phrase 'epicurean' can be used to describe a person who lives a life in total contradiction of Epicurus' precepts.

I smell an Epicurean-Neoplatonist debate surging in on the airwaves. Keep it clean and keep it crispy.

>>16576170
based and cringe

>>16576765
The first thing I thought about when I entered this thread

You know an idea is at least interesting if lit gets this angry.

>>16576170
Anytime this thread gets made this pasta is always going to be posted

ngl sometimes I feel like a nihilist because of how much shit i don't care about

>>16577445
the opposite is true actually, go back to watching Kurzgesagt on yt

>>16577461
You're not supposed to care about that many things anyway. You're supposed to care about the people in your immediate surroundings, not people in some faraway land where you can't do anything to help them.

>>16577096
Based anon poster completely btfo the complex philosophies propounded over the ages by the greeks, indians, chinese, german and so many more by just telling them to be happy. Why didn't they ever think of that before?

>>16576496
Can you try again with less purple prose? I think might have something meaningful to say here if you edit out the muddled content

>>16576434
That's Sartre style existentialism not nihilism

>>16576170
I just realized.

>There are people who the algorithms can predict.

>>16577667
Idk anon, they probably thought about it too much.
Imagine unironically telling someone
>do this thing. It's your objective purpose. Not doing this thing would actually make you happier, but it's your objective purpose, so do it.

>>16577802
optimus prime, i sneed...

>>16576170
Your rage is cringe but message is based. The Based department has been notified of your efforts, but will not be getting in contact at this time.

>>16577715
>>16576496
checked. seemed fine. BUT, i disagree. restructuring a personalized philosophical path after nihilism while still harboring the contemptuousness for life is an objective failure. "optimistic nihilism" doesn't need to be the infused with the fancies and witlessnesses of naivety. It's just another lens, all of which are compounded together to achieve a beautiful picture. It doesn't have to be idealized. Good, Beauty, Justice, all of these don't HAVE to be wrapped up within a ball of ignorance. Seeing it any other way is eternal suffering. But alas, when we speak of truth or beauty they collapse and crumble through our clutching hands. Nihilism is a suit of armor, not a straightjacket.

>>16577773
>>There are people who the algorithms can predict.
You're not very bright kiddo

>>16576170
based

>>16576170
This should be framed.

>>16576147
Optimistic nihilism is the biggest cope of all. It exists solely in online memes.

>>16578262
There are people who genuinely get an Ad or something from a FB or Google algorithms and say "perfect, just what I needed."

Also
>>16577777

>>16577667
More than half of these were designed to control people, often through misery. The other good bunch was written by narcissistic fucks, who couldn't accept their failures and blamed it on society. And the rest were just following the tradition of their time.

>>16576147
I unironically find optimistic nihilism to be far more pretentious, misguided, and obnoxious than traditional nihilism. at least the depressed nihilist has a soul, at least he knows that life SHOULD have meaning.

>>16576170
Fpbp

>>16576180
Optimistic nihilism doesn't mean that you're a happy nihilist.
It's a completely different philosophical concept and is not related to OP's pic where only nihilists are portrayed.

>>16576170
based!!!!!

>>16578831
Nah, I think I'll go on doing what I want without a cosmic daddy telling me what to do with my life. Keep to coloring in between guided lines. I have a canvas to work with.

>>16580502
oh, I'm sure you'll do wonders with that canvas big guy! if you work real hard I might even hang it on the fridge. seriously though, maybe r/atheism is more you speed, you euphoric soul you.

>>16576329
>NOOOOO YOU CANT FIND MEANING TO YOUR LIFE

>>16576407
>NOOOO YOU CAN USE THOSE WORDS YOURE BREAKING THE RULES!!!

>>16580646
>be an adult who is still told what to do by sky daddy
>act like those who aren't are the children
Make sure to read your bibel and do what it say anon. Sky daddy is watching and might put you on his naughty list.

>>16576483
>disliking the mistreatment of workers in Asia or the damaging effects of capital on humanity was a right-wing thing
It is a left and a right thing. Idiots and capitalists are the ones promoting the status quo.

>>16577802
>Not doing this thing would actually make you happier
Like what?

>>16576609
Of course leftists are more upset by “muh racism” “muh incels” than actual discussion of workers and society

>>16576855
You don't seem optimistic nor nihilistic my friend, if trivial shit upsets you this much

>>16580687
>calls god "sky daddy"
What's next, you master provocateur? Gonna go to Barnes and Noble and move all the bibles to the fiction section?

>>16580766
Beyond-spacetime daddy doesn't quite have the same ring to it. Luckily any alternative notions like that should be taken just as seriously. Regardless, you still have a daddy that you're very careful to listen to. Keep it up champ. You might get a gold star.
Nope. It just belongs in the mythology section. Why wouldn't it?

>>16580794
this has to be bait

>>16576170

>>16580502
>Nah, I think I'll go on doing what
Are you doing what you want?

>>16576170
based

>>16576147
OMFG I JUST FUCKING LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE THE 90S |

I just FAACKIN' LOOOOOOOVE THE SUNGLASSES THE SKATEBOARDS THE POKEMONS AND THE MTV FUCK YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSS!!!!!

KIDS THESE DAYS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE MISSING THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT I HAVE CONSUMED WHEN I WAS A CHILD

>>16576446
>He unironically uses the Rick and morty quote "nothing matters so let's watch TV" as a basis for his philosophical beliefs.
I bet he went back to playing Dota 2 and watching the latest episode of South Park some time after you blocked him lmao.

>>16576170
Basado. Read Lasch everyone

>>16580687
Why are atheists so obsessed with using the word "daddy"?

>>16577802
>Not doing this thing would actually make you happier, but it's your objective purpose, so do it.
I fail to see the issue. The concept of happiness is an utterly superficial triviality, a mere fleeting distraction. Purpose is far superior.

>>16581302
Which book in particular

It's a unfuflling paradox, you're better off going with full on true pessimism then gargling any form of optimism. My only genuine suggestion for happiness is reconnecting with nature. Go on the outdoor forum, that's probably the closest to any optimistic nihilism you'll recieve in this life.

>>16576147
>Optimistic Nihilism
Fun for a week then you realize there's no shift in mode, you've started the same and will end up the same.

>>16576170
>Turn off the Youtube and develop some tastes and moral preferences taht an algorithm designed by Amazon can't predict and use to predict your entire life befoer you've evn lived it you peice of fucking shit

Good lord this is some based shit

>>16576666
checked

> QUALIA IS TRACED BACK TO GOD HIS HIGHNESS HIS BENEVOLENT
lmao

>>16580713
I had nothing specific in mind. I'm saying that any purpose is only useful insofar as it promotes happiness. If you decouple purpose from happiness, but instead with a life of misery with no promise of something better, you'll see what I mean. Imagine if a god sent you to hell for fulfilling your purpose and to heaven for not. Why would you fulfill your purpose then if it's apparently just to suffer?
>>16581444
While feelings of rapture are fleeting, there are differences in average happiness associated with different mental states. Someone who's depressed will be less happy than someone who isn't in a way that isn't fleeting. It's preferable to occupy the higher averages. A purpose handed over to me by someone else means nothing to me if it only makes me the worse off for following the purpose.

>>16576170

>>16580687
please go watch vaush or some shit and just leave the board im sure hes uploaded a video

>>16581437
recalling their glory hole days sucking their daddys cock

>>16576170
>Turn off the Youtube and develop some tastes and moral preferences taht an algorithm designed by Amazon can't predict and use to predict your entire life befoer you've evn lived it you peice of fucking shit
use fucking NewPipe; it works as a youtube player without the algorithm and the stupid fucking ads
as much as I would want to stop watching videos, for someone with dyslexia is basically impossible since that's where I get a lot of my information from

say whatever you want but this is the decline of 4chan
>/lit turns into /pol
>yesterday an entire thread ignored double digits
>people don't encourage cooters to engrave names on their bodies
>/r9k has GFs
>tits or gtfo used incorrectly on /b

as for the optimistic nihilism goes......
are you a retard? nihilism is by definition pessimistic and negativistic
the closet thing to what you want is Camus's version of absurdism or maybe existential nihilism (Nietzsche for this, despite of the fact that retards say he was a nihilist; to my knowledge the philosopher who was the closest to actual nihilism was Cioran)
maybe I'm a retard, but optimistic nihilism is closer to ignorance rather than absolute truth/enlightenment

>>16576170
the fippy was bippy

>>16576170
you're a blessing on this board godspeed

>>16576147
reddit

>>16576170
Now this is the beginning of an ebin may may.

this is probably the worst thread on this website right now

>>16582865
I never realised the combination of the words “optimistic” and “nihilism” could make /lit/ seethe so much.

Maybe it has something to do with the /pol/ tourists and religious LARPers?

>>16576669
>>
>His philosophy is all about how to live a good life and he has one of the best descriptions of pleasure:
it's retarded is there is no reincarnation. If there is nothing after death, then ppl can do pretty much anything they want. ''doing nice things for the next generation'' is a huge cope by mental midgets to fill their vacuous life

>>16576170
I don't know how this is so hard to grasp for some people

>>16582949
>If there is nothing after death, then ppl can do pretty much anything they want.
This, but unironically and that's a good thing.

>>16576170
pretty based

>>16576170
based sheeple wakener

>>16576170
only good post