/lit/ - Literature

>>16565515
hey anon. Can you tell me more about this book? It looks interesting

>>16565601
>t.

Go fuck yourself

>>16565515
there's already a thread on this midwit pseud garbage. delete your thread anon

>>16565612
Im looking for clarification on a serious issue you gargantuan faggot.

>>16565611
wtf is
>t.
I'm just a fucking newfag

>>16565634
SHUT UP KIKE GET OUT MY THREAD REEEEE

>>16565639
>KIKE
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND JUST EXPLAIN SHIT TO ME YOU BASEDFUL FAG

>>16565653
but fr. explain to me wtf is >t.
I don't get it

Is men among the ruins any good? The title is cool.

>>16565653
alberto barbosa

>>16565668
so... basically I was being called a nigger?

>>16565690
worse, you were being called portuguese

>>16565693
same thing tho

>>16565601
Here's the TL;DR

>>16565515
yeah i didn't get it

>>16565634
t. is when you want to signify to the person you are responding to is a "t" followed by "blank" that signifies the signifying nature of "ts'" and how in 4chan "t" is essentially "t"

>>16565664
Yes, it certainly is far more direct than Revolt. It concerns the same principles of his Traditionalism but applied to the contemporary political situation (1950s Italy).
He sometimes does refer to Revolt, which since I read it, it wasn't jarring, but perhaps there's a few things that might go over your head.
All in all, I'd just jump into that one if you're interested more in a political aspect than the historical analysis of Revolt.

There's one kind of hard to engage with chapter on the Occult War, and he also mentions the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which he expresses skepticism of their legitimacy - but still analyses their character and compares it with what was actually occurring during those times.
Other than that a very solid application of his philosophy on political issues.

>>16567327
Is it really necessary to read the 100 page essay on Evola at the beginning of the book in order to enjoy the actual content?

>>16567300
wtf no it's just short for the finnish word for "regards". It just means "regards" in short. Now you know that .

Just a reminder to anyone who is sick of seeing these Evola threads (as am I), that these bunkerchan spergs have got it into their head that they need to detract from Evola to contain fascism or something.

>>16565515
ok hylic

>>16567333
No - that is a retrospective for the Anglo-academic audience that have to jump through hoops to even talk about someone loosely associated with the original fascism, and then allegedly a main influence on neo-fascism in Italy.

Still an interesting read, along with the appendix that has a transcript of his defense in court about the aforementioned accusation he was a contributor to a neo-fascist movement - which he won and was cleared of the charges.

But no, you can just jump straight in. You might need Revolt eventually if you really want to get a grasp of him later on for Ride the Tiger, that is possible his most difficult read.

>>16567362
>No - that is a retrospective for the Anglo-academic audience that have to jump through hoops to even talk about someone loosely associated with the original fascism, and then allegedly a main influence on neo-fascism in Italy.
I thought it sounded like apologetics, not that I care about Evola's politics. I guess his image had to be sanitized somehow so his books can get published by Inner Traditions. Ride the Tiger does require you to read Nietzsche and Heidegger beforehand, but I think his most difficult book is the Hermetic Tradition. It starts out easy enough, but by the time you're a quarter of the way in, the reading curve goes off the charts.

>>16567556
kek yes turns out it's called "hermetic" for a reason

>>16567344
what

>>16567339
Thank dog ppl still know this
It came from Finnish board ylilauta by way of krautchan
Shout out to any former bernds

>>16567578
People that actually take the time to read someone like Evola, don't make stupid threads like this.
It has coincided with the bunkerchan raids, where they spammed a "pol face" and this edit
>>16565950
pretty much confirms that they make these and then start the threads to bait people that actually have read him, then try to drag them down to tit-for-tat arguments.
It had the added effect of possible saturating the board with Evola's name and books so much that the less-observant will assume it's some annoying pro-evola spergs and then they won't read him out of association.
It's pretty obvious and easy to discern, since you'll see that no one that detracts from him ever writes more than one sentence, let alone a coherent argument.
It's all completely misguided, because Evola is barely read or mentioned by anyone, we (those that have actually read him), are just pointing out the bullshit, I at least, know I wouldn't waste my time making an Evola thread.

>>16567594
That is a fucking idiotic theory. The best way to get people to not read evola is to stop talking about evola. Talking about evola has the opposite effect. I think you're just having a schizo break with reality.

>>16567604
No, it's just having a triple digit IQ and a pair of eyes. Nice try, though.

>>16567612
The only possible explanation for your postings itt is that you aggressively don't want me to visit bunkerchan.
That's your logic.

>>16567634
Go there for all I care. I'd never even heard of the place until these raids happened.

>>16567634
But to engage you on your point, that is a false-equivalency, since I'm only pointing it out as an observation. I'm not going out of my way to make threads about it.

You seem to misunderstand how people can confirm to tastes on boards and be persuaded by memes and dissuaded by toxic discourse. Look at the guenonfag, how memed he was, how people like Nick Land, DFW etc, all have become these memes beyond what their actual writing is. How many people do you think actually read them and engage in proper arguments? And they're just the more palatable "cooler" to read people on this board.

Look at that, again
>>16565950
Do you think that was made for honest discourse? Open your eyes. Not everyone is rational with good intentions.

>>16567344
And there is literally nothing you can do about it incel lol

>>16567604
Humiliation and ridicule are effective tactics to get someone to not do something, and the Left has been doing this in politics for many decades. Words like Drumpf, Orange Clown, and articles saying conservatives are less intelligent don't come out of nowhere. Hell, you even called that anon a schizo, which proves my point. Stop being so disingenuous.

>>16567578
a bunch of commies wanted to stick it to /pol/ for making fun of them being pro-biden, so they started spamming that drawing of the jewish antifa kid who shot up a walmart. /pol/ retaliated and now bunkerchan (the site trying to do the "raid") is down because the host is a fat sperg living in his mom's basement and got scared that the hacker known as 4chan was going to blow up his mom's van.

>>16567594
Lmao what? im a normal guy just asking about the memes here wtf. I read revolt and liked it i just dont understand everyone shitting on it. Chill out bro

>>16565515
I'm not convinced that a "big brain" would be spending all that much time reading, discussing, or thinking about Evola

>>16569565
Lol this is what i mean. Are u being ironic or are you serious? I CANT FUCKING TELL

>>16569581
I unironically and very seriously believe that Evola is metaphysics for midwits mixed with babby's first racism. I don't think anyone with an IQ over 115 will find him very interesting for very long.

>>16569591
>racism

>>16569591
Evola is not babby's first racism. This fool out here talking about atavism and genetic aristocracy. Even white nationalists would probably disavow that.

>>16569680
He was right though.

>>16569663
>>racism

>>16569663
Emphasis on babby's first, you meme folder faggot.
>>16569680
Yes, it's a spergy and gentle introduction to racism. Talking about "hyperboreans" and shit. Disconnected from the far more obvious reality that we are currently surrounded by barely evolved gutter chimps.

This book was written by a schizophrenic hobbling retard who thinks Nordics are highly evolved humans from the Arctic circle and it got memed into popularity by people who are too retarded to read classic philosophy but still want to be "right wing" so they just dove into whatever stupid "based" thing they could find, which happened to be Evola. Mixes perfectly with otherwise lowbrow taste in heavy metal, anime titty video games, BDSM porn, and bad diet.

>>16569705
>>16569703
cope

>>16569790
You think this wall of text is cool because you have an IQ of 105.

>>16569818

>>16569818
Your attempt to split classical philosophy from esotericism shows your IQ to be in the 95 range.

>>16569790
Not reading that shit lol

>>16569790
Unfathomably based

>>16569790
This text has a lot of nuggets but is mixed with bullshit. Humans never reincarnate as animals, it takes an INORDINATE level of effort for beings on the animal tier to even qualify for a human existence. To think a human soul would go backward after one or two semi-deviant lifetimes is just stupid. We are safeguarded from such retrogression in many different ways, and even people who practice literal forms of animality (through animal transformations, your skinwalkers, etc,) don't regress so immediately.

>>16567300
Based retard

bump

>>16571483

what makes you say this? the platonists say otherwise, but maybe those speculations were just thought experiments

>>16572821
You'd have to specify exactly which of the "Platonists" said these things, and either way it's widely known in the occult community that being human marks a very definite point in a souls evolution, particularly that of self-awareness and individuation, as animals are primarily led my group souls and have little if any self-awareness.

Understanding that, it's easy to see why it's literally impossible to regress. The collective effort it took to even reach that point would outweigh any slight hangups to the inverse.

>>16572859

socrates discusses the regression somewhere in Phaedro, and another philosopher makes a similar argument, but I can’t remember his name. anyway, interesting to hear this

>>16569591
>>16569688
>>16569703
>baby tier
Seeing how your arguments are a bunch of buzzwords and "le /pol/ face," it's evidently clear you have not read anything by Evola. An in depth understanding of Hinduism, Tantra, alchemy, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Hermeticism, and Rene Guenon are necessary to grasp his weltanschauung. His racialism is far more nuanced than "I hate niggers" where you will hear from /pol/tards, and if the so-called white nationalists of /pol/ were to read what Evola had to say about "whiteness", Western Civilization, Christianity, and neo-spiritual movements like neopaganism, they would flat out disavow and hate him. Julius Evola is far from baby tier.

i would read it if i could find it online for free :(

>>16567594
Guenonfag does the same thing where he starts innocuous threads and using them to sperg out in. Your idea that raiders are doing this same thing is perfectly reasonable and fairly clever.

I read it in about the same time and found it equally simple and clear. Never read any Evola or even similar traditionalist/right wing stuff. I think a lot of the details are a bit retarded but his overall ideas seem pretty accurate. Not the best book and not "vital" but worth a quick read just to expand horizons

>>16569591
>babby's first racism

The term "race soul" will piss people off more than nigger will, trust me.

>>16565515
It's not mindblowing stuff, but it's a very good exposition of a "Traditional" worldview. Being born in the modern-era, I have to be taught these things, rather than learning them naturally. Many don't even understand that peoples' mindsets have changed over time, or that there even is a non-modern worldview. He's valuable to read. He's mostly known for influencing /pol/-types, but there are very few devote "Evolians." Many are influenced by him, however.

On a final note, there are varying levels of understanding. There are quite a few people who read people like Evola, Jung, etc and take everything at face value. They'll repeat terminology and stuff from books, but they don't seem to have internalized any of it. This internalization, this insight, is vital for true progress within spiritual domains. You are like a boat floating along the river of the material world of cause and effect. Spiritual books are some of the few things capable of rocking the boat. And only when you succeed in capsizing that boat will you truly break into the higher domains of consciousness.

>>16573407
>Many don't even understand that peoples' mindsets have changed over time, or that there even is a non-modern worldview.

Revolt is perhaps best as a jumping off point to pursue other ways of contextualizing life. It was certainly a fun read for me, because I was at least aware of what I called "the end of history". That being the "tiny slice of time" that modern people seem to view everything that is, was and will ever will be. Then Evola comes along and explains how else it might work.

I wish he was more well known as an "iron-pill" sort of author and not magical super hitler.

>>16569461
Stereotyping is what intelligent people tend to do so there's where Orange Man comes from.
Also if we compare Conservatives with liberals even lefties they are less intelligent and that has been historically true - so you have to argue against reality and facts.

>>16573603
I won't argue against the fact that conservatives tend to be less intelligent, but it says nothing about the validity of conservative and traditional ideas. Intelligent people on the other hand, can easily justify acting on their selfish and base desires through abstract rationalization, and even persuade people it is in their best interest to do so. You even pointed out intelligent people tend to make slogans that humiliate and ridicule, which are in no way honest for discourse. I'm not saying all intelligent people are dishonest and full of vice, but it is the sort of development that is reached when one forsakes traditions and becomes so sure in his abilities to the point of arrogance.

>>16573603
>if we compare Conservatives with liberals even lefties they are less intelligent
I can't imagine this is a very big effect though, do you have the research on this? I'm guessing libs are 105 and cons 100 or something like that, just within whites of course.

>>16573407
>capsizing the boat
...to drown in the river of the material world?

>>16572925
>read Guenon
fuck off retard

>>16573859
It's true though. Much of Evola's thought is based on Rene Guenon's conception of Tradition, but there are a few key differences between the two.

>>16565515
What do the Evola fans here think of Philosophicat? She seems to be a really big fan of Evola, which is kind of unusual since Evola is often considered one of the most misogynistic philosophers of the 20th century.

>>16569556
Trannies and bugmen leftists harbor an incomprehensible ressentiment toward Evola and Guenon despite never having read their work (and the two being completely different). This is because they are labelled as "tradionalist" authors. Said leftists sperg out in threads where they can just guess at the content, thereby creating these weird memes and warped perception of what it's about. Similar to /pol/ people crying in Marx threads.

I don't even like Evola, but the anti-intellectualism these faggots willingly engage in is cringe.

>>16573859
If Guenon was a Black woman you would love him. His views aren't racist or even conservative the way the word is used now. What's your problem with him?