/lit/ - Literature

>>16558699
The only thing the marvel universe instilled in me is an irrational hatred towards Captain America.

>>16558699
just when you think bait can't get any worse, /lit/ exceeds your expectations tenfold.

>>16558699
I will take the bait, Marvel movies are the definition of "Explosions goes KABOOM! FIIUSH!!" There's absolutely nothing wrong with liking them but they're far from being a high piece of art like the Iliad.

>>16558699
I agree 100%. The oldtimers who stick up their nose to anything outside of musty books will be left behind in the culture wars.

>>16558739
Yeah, because cinephiles are always talking about Avengers, right?

>>16558749
Well cinephiles are just look bookish nerds who adore old things as they scorn contemporary art. Let them have their black and white slideshows.

>>16558738
Most of the meanings of classical works are imposed upon them by modern readers. Someone sufficiently motivated can make Avengers Endgame say whatever it is they want it to say.

It would not fly right now because the genre is too associated with juvenile consumerism, but later, when historical distancing does away with the association? Who knows.

>>16558699
Obvious bait is obvious, but in case the question is honest I have to add: the Iliad was a work that, while likely passed down through generations vocally, came down to one man remembering/editing/documenting it.

It was made to create and preserve culture.

The avengers was a movie made for profit by a committee of writers, producers, and actors in the seedy underbelly of culture known as Hollywood.
They're comic book heroes, and our society's fascination with them is much better compared with the books of 'knight-errantry' that rotted Don Quixotes brain.

The avengers are the cesspool that drives somebody to make good art.

>>16558699
Anyone who replies to this thread is a braindead mongoloid.

>>16558786
This, back in those days do you think those were considered high art? No, intellectuals at the time in their robes said they represent the doom of all things. It also happened in Shakespeares time. Those weren't considered high art but populace fare for peasants.

>>16558738
>There's absolutely nothing wrong with liking them
false

>>16558815
>back in those days do you think those were considered high art?
Yes, they were considered high art even in their time.

>>16558699
Sure. It reflects American values: consumable, profit-driven, corporate produced content.

>>16558829
Sorry to burst your bubble kid, not everyone care about movies the same way you do.

>>16558796
What would be the American Iliad? Something like The Red Badge of Courage? The question intrigues me more than arguing about the retarded bait OP.

>>16558859
That's a good question, I don't know that I could say we even have one.
huckleberry Finn is a pretty good historical and cultural work, but I dont think I would call it the American Iliad.

>>16558815
they were considered the height of art at their time, yes.

>>16558840
>>16558912
Shakespeare isn't even considered high art right now.

>>16558921
That's debatable but the Iliad has always been considered high art.

>>16558699
Pop culture isn't culture.

>>16558921
speaking gibberish isn't an argument

>>16558948
having sex doesnt make you not an incel.

>>16558948
Hypocrite you are.

>>16558699
sure, why not. the iliad was garbage. marvelshit is garbage.

>>16558699
a lot of the early marvel comics (especially the ones jack kirby worked on) certainly have an interesting modern-mythic quality to them.

his later work, especially his fifth world saga for DC, seems even to be quite conscious of this

Capeshit is unironically closer to Catholic Saints than Classical Myth. If this thread is still up tomorrow, I'll explain. You're legitimately a midwit if you disagree btw. Not even memeing, I've told this to rednecks and manual laborers and they'll agree and tell you exactly why (and they'll be correct), but if you tell this to reddit they'll get really mad.