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What are some books on Third Positionism?

>> No.16553185

>>16553177
Neither Right Nor Left: Fascist Ideology in France - Zeev Sternhell

>> No.16553243

>>16553177
A James Gregor - Faces of Janus
A James Gregor - Italian Fascism and Development Dictatorship
A James Gregor - Marxism, Fascism, and Totalitarianism.
A James Gregor - Mussolini's Intellectuals
Giuseppe Mazzini - Complete Works
H.R. Morgan - Fascism, The Total Society
H.R. Morgan - Fascism, Integralism, and the Corporate Society
Mario Palmieri - The Philosophy of Fascism
Paul Einzig - The Economic Foundation of Fascism
Antonio Costa Pinto - Corporatism and Fascism (Routledge Studies in Fascism and the Far Right)
Bosworth R.J.B. - Mussolini's Italy
Adam Tooze - Wages of Destruction
Albert Speer - Inside the Third Reich
Corneliu Zelea Codreanu - For My Legionares
Stanley G. Payne - A History of Fascism
Stanley G. Payne - Fascism in Spain
Albert Speer - Inside the Third Reich

>> No.16553250

>>16553243
Georges Sorrel - Reflections on Violence & The Illusion of Progress
Gentile - Origins and Doctrines of Fascism

>> No.16553265

>>16553177
>beyond left and right
>is really just nationalistic leftists

>> No.16553293

>>16553265
Any nationalism was created by humanists, ie leftists

>> No.16553302

>>16553265
This is a problem within the third position community yeah. A lot of people get trapped up in the idea of materialism and just turn into racist socialists. I think the third position can be saved if they take in a healthy dose of Traditionalism.

>>16553293
Why is humanism required for nationalism? I think it's possible to understand the need of a soverign nationstate in our age without being a humanist.

>> No.16553303
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>>16553177
Left/right is a false choice. You don’t like the Soviets? You don’t like capitalism?
Fascism is a combination of them

Anarchism is the opposite of them.

>> No.16553309

>>16553293
I know, I just specified nationalistic because of the universalist SJWs that basically define the modern left.

>> No.16553310

>>16553243
>>16553250
Why do anons on /lit/ who are favorable to fascistic frameworks gravitate towards the Italian variants rather than the German one? Is it because of its negative social connotations or some other reason?

>> No.16553321

>>16553310
If I had to guess it’s because there’s not a lot of theory associated with the German variant and it eschews a lot of the syndicalist stuff. Overall it seems less intellectually serious.

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>>16553310
Because the roots of the ideology are in Italy, not in Germany. National Socialism is just one of many variants of it. Also, many racially mixed people get self cucked out of NatSoc ideology, it's also easier for them to feel more comfortable with vanilla fascism, even though Nuremberg laws explicitly state that you're not an untermensch just because you're of mixed race.

>> No.16553333

>>16553326
meant to write "so" instead of "it's also"

>> No.16553337

>>16553310
Not even a Fash but it's because Italian Fascism has an actual philosophy behind it

>> No.16553366

>>16553302
>I think the third position can be saved if they take in a healthy dose of Traditionalism.
Agree, also I'll add that Third Positionalism is not necessarily fascisitistic. It's a natural outcome for the anti-racialist/anti-progressive centre, for the religious social conservative pluralists who've been marginalised by the radicals on both sides of politics.

>> No.16553379

>>16553321
>>16553337
I don't know much about the subject, but don't they have people like Schmitt? I hear even anglo neoliberals and chinese technocrats care about his works.
>>16553326
Makes sense. Also that picture kek

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Tons of stuff here:
https://anon.cafe/fascist/res/4.html

>> No.16553571

>>16553379
I don’t think people like Schmitt or Heidegger wrote much about National Socialism as a political ideal, or had much influence on Nazi policy (I could be wrong). Whereas you had hacks like Rosenberg at the top (even though even then he wasn’t taken very seriously by his colleagues).

>> No.16553799

>>16553303
Anarchism is refuted by my military state taking over your gay anarchist state

>> No.16553819

>>16553799
>Shoots you in the head
Refuted, liberal

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>>16553508
You're doing the führer's work anon.

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>>16553819
Yes, anarchism is refuted by the existence of violence, unironically

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>>16553827

>> No.16553857

>>16553571
Could you expand on Rosenbergs hackery?

>> No.16553878

>>16553302
How would you define Traditionalism? What type of Traditionalism would be required and in what dose?

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>>16553827

>> No.16553888

>>16553827
>>16553843
Butterfly is too retarded to understand that under anarchism "she" would not be able to spend 14 hours a day on her computer shitting up /lit/, and in fact would just end up being raped and murdered by a crackhead

>> No.16553893
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>>16553303
>You don’t like the Soviets?
>You don’t like capitalism?
>Fascism is a combination of them

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>>16553888
*(I'm the crackhead)

>> No.16553944

>>16553888
>>16553893
>Posting with zero theory
Typical

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16553968

>>16553944
you ignore me when i post theory
also >>16553888 doesn't know what anarchism is

>> No.16554160

>>16553968
You drop breadcrumbs. “Unitary”, “primary source”

Gentile, I suppose, is all you’re getting at. Sure, I’ll look into it.

>> No.16554242

>>16554160
These are not "bread crumbs" I cannot seriously engage with you on the subject if you haven't "read the theory"
It would be like entertaining someone's thoughts on Marx who has not so much as read the 1844 manuscripts
If you have a solid grasp of idealism you can jump straight in with "Theory of Mind as Pure Act"
Otherwise you can temporarily disregard Gentile and begin with "Mussolini's Intellectuals" by A. James Gregor.

>> No.16554289

>>16554242
Is Gentile anything other than turbo Hegelian balderdash or what? I went to a random page and found this
>Therefore, God is identical with the world without the world being identical with God.
Lmao. Fascist logic I guess...

>> No.16554299

>>16554160
Don't forget about Hobbes, Schmitt and Strauss

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>>16553302
>A lot of people get trapped up in the idea of materialism and just turn into racist socialists.
Embrace the fourth position, anon

>> No.16554338

>>16553177
but how is third positionism not just authoritarian centrism??

>> No.16554352

>>16554289
God, thinking, consciousness is a priori.
It's non dualism, Gentile makes a hell of a lot more sense than Hegel

>> No.16554368

>>16554338
so what if it is?

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Abolish the false left vs right dichotomy

>> No.16554414

>>16554352
Skimming through it I see he's rather critical of Hegel, but what forgives that egregious transgression of ordinary logic?

>> No.16554453

>>16553508
My favourite board kek

>> No.16555576

>>16554242
>I could not possibly describe these ideas to
I haven’t read Marx either. You hint that I’ve somehow misunderstood it all and I tell you that’s false. You have pilled up little bread crumbs dropped on the floor. Not eating till you engage with me like a human being.


>>16554299
I know those enemies

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>>16553508
Wow I've been looking for a place like this for some time now.

Many thanks my friend!

>> No.16556110

>>16553310
the germans are losers

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