/lit/ - Literature

>>16522298
Adorno, Spengler

>>16522315
This + Mark Fisher

>>16522298
Piero Scaruffi's website

>>16522298
It didn't worsen, the best stuff just stopped being the most popular stuff.

Music theory and musicology for the past 70 years have all been gay hipsters telling you that whatever music requires the least effort and least talent to produce is actually the MOST special, and everything that requires effort or talent is not only kitsch, but evil

>>16522298
>Eat my ass
With pleasure.

>>16522298
L'Artusi, overo Delle imperfettioni della moderna musica ("The Artusi, or imperfections of modern music").

>>16522331
This

>>16522298
Corporate music rehashes whatever sounds good to the mob ad infinitum

>>16522315
/thread

>>16522331
not this, the best stuff of today is massively inferior to the best stuff of even 400 years ago

>>16522333
>t. don't listen math rock, progresive rock, jazz, some sub genres of electro, emo, flmaneco rumba, etc
You don't even try to hide your ignorance.

>>16522370
All trash

>>16522383
Ok retard.

>>16522365
The best stuff today is on the level of Wagner, which is better than stuff of 400 years ago.

>>16522354
I think about this a lot but I'm not sure that the "mob" understands what it is they're listening to as "good music." Rather, the financial interests of record companies and producers have influenced what the masses hear and most people don't care enough about music or art to look any deeper into more obscure music. Some of which is objectively better than a mainstream Pop act.

I hesitate to expand much more because this isn't /mu/. But it can probably tie into, perhaps, the current state of literature or poetry as well. In short, people don't know how good they could have it (music (art)) because they simply do not care.

>>16522400
>the best stuff today is on the level of Wagner

>>16522331
the best stuff was never the most popular stuff except for in the case of Mozart. even Bach and Beethoven were not popular in their own lifetimes.
>>16522298
Sextus Empiricus makes this very claim in 'Against the Musicians' (2nd century AD)
>>16522370
Embarassingly underage post.

>>16522400
>Wagner, which is better than stuff of 400 years ago

>>16522370
>not progressive metal

>>16522298
The minute music began appealing to the masses

>>16522420
So in the stone age?

>>16522370
teenagers are retarded.

>>16522400
Wagner and Monteverdi are on a similar tier. and I'd prefer to listen to Tallis than either of them

>>16522413
I think it's just that sonically, the popular music today is all pretty good. You have a lot of educated sound designers using expensive equipment to pump out tracks. There are very few people today that listen to pop music and notice that the chord structure is very lackluster and uninspired, or that the melody has about as much talent put into it as a wet rag

>>16522349
This butt unironically

>>16522431
Based

>>16522351
Artusi was right about everything
FUCK THE FLORENTINE CAMERATA

>>16522370
dunning-kruger

>>16522351
Holy based

>>16522431
And I'd much prefer to listen to Prokofiev than Tallis

>>16522420
I would say the moment where the music appealing to masses was considered at the same level than the one appealing to everyone else. This started with jazz. The masses always had their folk music.

>>16522433
Good point. This is coupled with the fact that most people listen to music passively. While they're cleaning the house, exercising, doing homework, driving etc. Very few people sit and appreciate an album from beginning to end in complete silence and devoted contemplation to it. Which maybe isn't a good or bad thing inherently. But this behavior of music listeners has influenced the direction of commercial music, I think.

Wow /lit/, you successfully generated a gay thread once again!

Roger Scruton Why Beauty Matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc

>>16522468
Have you listened to that lo-fi stuff that seems to be very popular these days? Every single track sounds exactly the same. It's almost impressive. I put on a playlist the other day while studying and never even noticed the songs changing

>>16522506
Yeah, I actually like some of that stuff. Not because it's impressive musically, just relaxing to listen to. It's basically, functionally, white noise.

>>16522351
>>16522457
Based and Zarlinopilled

>>16522351
Basata

>>16522298
It hasn't, you realise that in the early-mid 20th century most people were only listening to really shit dixieland and then swing jazz and then motown singles? you realise that nobody was listening to bach until quite a while after he died? You live in an unprecedented time for music, where everyone has all of musical history at their fingertips and where musical production is so large scale and diverse that there are undoubtedly people making the kind of music you want to hear (even if you arent aware of it).

>>16522506
>>16522522
someone give me an example of this
"lo-fi" as a genre doesn't mean shit by itself. but i hear the kids talking about listening to lo-fi.