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holy based...

>morality is bullshit herd brainwashing
>NOOOOOO WTF YOU CAN'T JUST KILL ME AND TAKE MY STUFF OUT OF ENVY
>THAT'S LIKE NOT COOL

Am I being esl-filtered, or is he supporting individualism as passionate, and referring to collectivism as leveling?
If this is in support of hierarchy as an opposition to equality: based.
If it's in support of freedom and globalism as an opposition to nationalism: cringe.

>>16520847
Yeah but his individualism isn't referring to Jewish liberal "individualism", but to leaders , artists and heroes.

>>16520656
>>16520763
Lmao I didn't know it was possible to get filtered by Nietzsche

What about Napolean, who took advantage of the leveling French Revolution sentiment in order to become Emperor?

>>16520880
I didn’t post the image of the neckbeard in the hat because I disagree with Nietzsche, I just think it’s funny that the composition is similar

>>16520429
Am I wrong or is he shitting on Marxism hard here?

>>16520953
Egalitarianism in general, but yes this also can be applied to Marxism. Communism is basically egalitarianism taken to its ideological conclusion.

>>16520429
isnt this Kierkergaard quote? Nietzsche is way more nuanced to simply use dichotomy between individualism and collective like that

nietzsche is my dad.
jelly?

Old bad new good, is all i read. Quit bitching, boomer.

HAT MAN MICH VERSTANDEN?!

woah

>>16520429
This inspired legitimate awe and terror at how perfectly it describes modern life. The fact this man lived 100 years ago and predicted the evolution of the human psyche and discourse so well is incredible.

lmao did he ever say anything original?

>>16521229
It is. Just google the first sentence.

>>16521229
>Nietzsche is way more nuanced
kek wut?

>>16520429
>>16520656
Who did it best?

>>16523963

>>16523963
N's got a firm pose while the neckbeard's all flabby.

>>16523834
what part you didnt understand, retard? Nietzsche never plays with dichotomies in such way and its obvious if you have read anything more than wiki on him

>>16520429
How can one man be quite this fucking based?

>>16523963
he wasn't larping tho, he was actually in the franco-prussian war

>>16525029
Lol neetchfags

>>16522956
This is Kierkegaard but he’s equally as prophetic as Nietzsche so it still goes

Can someone explain to me something about Nietzsche? In his critique of Stoicism he basically concludes by saying that Stoicism instead of Stoics trying to live according to nature, what they actually do is transform nature for it to fit with their Stoicism. And that this is all part of the Will to Power. Then what is the problem?

Why shouldn't I justify my Will to Power with one of these philosophies that he so despised? Why shouldn't I become a zealot for Neoplatonism, drive my enemies before me and hear the lamentation of their women, all in the name of The Good? Maybe sacrifice an oxen to Zeus while I am at it.

>>16525498
Because you'd hurt his feelings

>>16525498
he's saying living according to nature is vacuous advice

>>16525507
Yes, I know. I was mostly referring to the last part, where he points out that Stoics wish to shape the world into their philosophy of Stoicism rather than to live according to nature, and that this is pure Will to Power.

>>16525498
>>16525525
Everyone is doing that, not just Stoics. That's the point of will to power and perspectivism. All philosophizing is a rearrangement of the world in order to maximize one's will to power in it, in Nietzsche's view. He didn't dismiss Stoicism for doing this, but for being ignorant on this.

>>16526027
>All philosophizing is a rearrangement of the world in order to maximize one's will to power in it
Neetch was a retard.

>>16520847
He was against nationalism and would be in favor if globalism was practiced in an extravagant fashion by militant aristocrats rather Than in a utilitarian fashion by meritocratic libs

>>16526044
The idea is from Schopenhauer, who was inspired by Kant. Nietzsche just formulated the underlying process as one that is striving for power.

>>16526077
Isn't Will to Power different from Schopenhauer's Will?

>>16526098
Yes, but Schopenhauer already had the idea that the will creates the world in its own image.

>>16524013
>the virgin larper vs the chad re-enacter

>>16525123
Wasn’t he a medical orderly?

>>16526098
>>16526137
How is their will different?

>>16526147
>>16525123
He fell while trying to mount his horse, and couldn't heal so he was discharged.

>>16520763
kek
>NOOO slaves can't psychologically dominate their masters and dethrone them

>>16526171
So THIS is the ubermensch we've all heard so much about!

>>16525437
>it's Kierk
wtf I love Christfags now

>>16525437
>Kierk said it
>but Neetch is somehow his equal
Nice cope.

>>16526240
>one relationship results in a master/slave dichotomy
>in the other everyone is a slave
It is clear which is superior, doubly so when you understand slaves can only succeed in psychologically dominating 'masters' who are themselves psychologically against themselves.

>>16525029
lmao

>>16525029
Massive cope

>>16525043
what's that pic from?

>>16526158
Schopenhauer's actually makes sense.

Schopenhauer pacifies your soul, Nietzsche makes you schizophrenic.

>>16527893
Why is that?

>>16527877
Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Kaufmann translation

>>16520763
Might is right regardless

>>16520429
>the predominance of the category ‘generation’ over the category ‘individuality’."
Celebrity as the vessel for generational avatars and their traits, hence the antimony with Wagner/ism and his work leading up to that break

>>16527893
You've misread Nietzsche. Only your will to life is pacified from reading Schopenhauer, your Will to Power, divorced from the chains of the body, can thrive. Schopenhauer praised the arts for this reason, it divorced you from your will to live and emerged you in pure knowledge, which is a state of being one with the will.

>>16525498
>his critique of Stoicism
Epictitus: literal slave cope
Will/life denial of this passion furnace that invigorates the virtues; Stoicism places all that on the Bed of Procrustes, and the result is a pain-avoidant stultification
>>16520429
>a reflective and passionless age does exactly the contrary; it hinders and stifles all action; it levels. Leveling is a silent, mathematical, and abstract occupation which shuns upheavals . . .
>. . . a deathly silence in which one can hear one’s own heart beat, a silence which nothing can pierce, in which everything is engulfed, powerless to resist
>The leveling process in modern times, corresponds, in reflection, to fate in antiquity
The leveling propensity careens towards 'effortlessness', going along to get along through the motions of signaling inner wealth (virtue signaling) without real possession of it.

>>16527893
But if Schopenhauer pacifies your soul then you might be dominated by the Nietzschean "schizo".

>>16527893
Nietzsche makes (You) schizophrenic. He's light, amusing reading to me with hardly any of it being unusual.

>>16527893
Schopenhauer vs Nietzsche

“And so when the generation, which itself desired to level and to be emancipated, to destroy authority and at the same time itself, has, through the scepticism of the principle association, started the hopeless forest fire of abstraction; when as a result of levelling with this scepticism, the generation has rid itself of the individual and of everything organic and concrete, and put in its place 'humanity' and the numerical equality of man and man: when the generation has, for a moment, delighted in this unlimited panorama of abstract infinity, unrelieved by even the smallest eminence, undisturbed by even the slightest interest, a sea of desert; then the time has come for work to begin, for every individual must work for himself, each for himself. No longer can the individual, as in former times, turn to the great for help when he grows confused. That is past; he is either lost in the dizziness of unending abstraction or saved for ever in the reality of religion. Perhaps very many will cry out in despair, but it will not help them--already it is too late...Nor shall any of the unrecognizable presume to help directly or to speak directly or to teach directly at the head of the masses, in order to direct their decisions, instead of giving his negative support and so helping the individual to make the decision which he himself has reached; any other course would be the end of him, because he would be indulging in the short-sighted compassion of man, instead of obeying the order of divinity, of an angry, yet so merciful, divinity. For the development is, in spite of everything, a progress because all the individuals who are saved will receive the specific weight of religion, its essence at first hand, from God himself. Then it will be said: 'behold, all is in readiness, see how the cruelty of abstraction makes the true form of worldliness only too evident, the abyss of eternity opens before you, the sharp scythe of the leveller makes it possible for every one individually to leap over the blade--and behold, it is God who waits. Leap, then, into the arms of God'. But the 'unrecognizable' neither can nor dares help man, not even his most faithful disciple, his mother, or the girl for whom he would gladly give his life: they must make the leap themselves, for God's love is not a second-hand gift. And yet the 'unrecognizable' neither can nor dares help man, not even his most faithful disciple, his mother, or the girl for whom he would gladly give his life: they must make the leap themselves, for God's love is not a second-hand gift. And yet the 'unrecognizable' (according to his degree) will have a double work compared with the 'outstanding' man (of the same degree), because he will not only have to work continuously, but at the same time labour to conceal his work.”

>>16529999
schopenhauer: genuine attempt to justify his position with philosophy

nietzsche: delusional self-help for mid-wits; didn't even put together a coherent philosophical position before he went crazy

don't even like schopenhauer, but at least he crafted a coherent philosophical system