/lit/ - Literature

>>16495899
go on anon

>>16495899
He was retroactively refuted, or so I've heard.

>>16495998
Could someone explain why Guenonfag hated this guy so much? I see memes about him being related to Karl Marx, but if we're calling Karl Marx a "process philosopher" then we might as well include Plato as one too because the term is being used in a manner that's totally useless.

>>16496164
what

>>16496164
It's just a form of becoming vs being. Guenon and plato are being

>>16496164
>Could someone explain why Guenonfag hated this guy so much?

>The same trend is noticeable in the scientific realm: research here is for its own sake far more than for the partial and fragmentary results it achieves; here we see an ever more rapid succession of unfounded theories and hypotheses, no sooner set up than crumbling to give way to others that will have an even shorter life— a veritable chaos amid which one would search in vain for anything definitive, unless it be a monstrous accumulation of facts and details incapable of proving or signifying anything. We refer here of course to speculative science, insofar as this still exists; in applied science there are on the contrary undeniable results, and this is easily understandable since these results bear directly on the domain of matter, the only domain in which modern man can boast any real superiority. It is therefore to be expected that discoveries, or rather mechanical and industrial inventions, will go on developing and multiplying more and more rapidly until the end of the present age; and who knows if, given the dangers of destruction they bear in themselves, they will not be one of the chief agents in the ultimate catastrophe, if things reach a point at which this cannot be averted?

>Be that as it may, one has the general impression that, in the present state of things, there is no longer any stability; but while there are some who sense the danger and try to react to it, most of our contemporaries are quite at ease amid this confusion, in which they see a kind of exteriorized image of their own mentality. Indeed there is an exact correspondence between a world where everything seems to be in a state of mere ‘becoming’, leaving no place for the changeless and the permanent, and the state of mind of men who find all reality in this ‘becoming’, thus implicitly denying true knowledge as well as the object of that knowledge, namely transcendent and universal principles. One can go even further and say that it amounts to the negation of all real knowledge whatsoever, even of a relative order, since, as we have shown above, the relative is unintelligible and impossible without the absolute, the contingent without the necessary, change without the unchanging, and multiplicity without unity; ‘relativism’ is self-contradictory, for, in seeking to reduce everything to change, one logically arrives at a denial of the very existence of change; this was fundamentally the meaning of the famous arguments of Zeno of Elea.

>>16496179

>However, we have no wish to exaggerate and must add that theories such as these are not exclusively encountered in modern times; examples are to be found in Greek philosophy also, the ‘universal flux’ of Heraclitus being the best known; indeed, it was this that led the school of Elea to combat his conceptions, as well as those of the atomists, by a sort of reductio ad absurdum. Even in India, something comparable can be found, though, of course, considered from a different point of view from that of philosophy, for Buddhism also developed a similar character, one of its essential theses being the ‘dissolubility of all things ’. These theories, however, were then no more than exceptions, and such revolts against the traditional outlook, which may well have occurred from time to time throughout the whole of the Kali-Yuga, were, when all is said and done, without wider influence; what is new is the general acceptance of such conceptions that we see in the West today.

>It should be noted too that under the influence of the very recent idea of ‘progress’, ‘philosophies of becoming’ have, in modern times, taken on a special form that theories of the same type never had among the ancients: this form, although it may have multiple varieties, can be covered in general by the name ‘evolutionism’. We need not repeat here what we have already said elsewhere on this subject; we will merely recall the point that any conception allowing for nothing other than ‘becoming’ is thereby necessarily a ‘naturalistic’ conception, and, as such, implies a formal denial of whatever lies beyond nature, in other words the realm of metaphysics— which is the realm of immutable and eternal principles. We may point out also, in speaking of these anti-metaphysical theories, that the Bergonian idea of pure duration’ corresponds exactly with that dispersion in instantaneity to which we alluded above; a pretended intuition modeled on the ceaseless flux of the things of the senses, far from being able to serve as an instrument for obtaining true knowledge, represents in reality the dissolution of all possible knowledge.

>>16496186

>This leads us to repeat an essential point on which not the slightist ambiguity must be allowed to persist: intellectual intuition, by which alone metaphysical knowledge is to be obtained, has absolutely nothing in common with this other ‘intuition’ of which certain contemporary philosophers speak: the latter pertains to the sensible realm and in fact is sub-rational, whereas the former, which is pure intelligence, is on the contrary supra-rational. But the moderns, knowing nothing higher than reason in the order of intelligence, do not even conceive of the possibility of intellectual intuition, whereas the doctrines of the ancient world and of the Middle Ages, even when they were no more than philosophical in character, and therefore incapable of effectively calling this intuition into play, nevertheless explicitly recognized its existence and its supremacy over all the other faculties. This is why there was no rationalism before Descartes, for rationalism is a specifically modern phenomenon, one that is closely connected with individualism, being nothing other than the negation of any faculty of a supra- individual order. As long as Westerners persist in ignoring or denying intellectual intuition, they can have no tradition in the true sense of the word, nor can they reach any understanding with the authentic representatives of the Eastern civilizations, in which everything, so to speak, derives from this intuition, which is immutable and infallible in itself, and the only starting-point for any development in conformity with traditional norms

>>16496169
>>16496179
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>>16496190
So it's just autism, then.

>>16496167
Apparently some people try to synthesize Marx and Whitehead as an ecological critique of capitalism, but that appears to be an incredibly minor project. But then, Whitehead is so comically obscure that you could trot out syntheses of Marx and Evola and get an equal number of the latter as the former. If you go check on warosu you can go an entire year without (this) Whitehead being mentioned, and then suddenly half of the times he's namedropped are Guenonfag shitting on him.

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>>16496205
There was a huge shilling war between them a year or so ago

>>16496261
Well fuck, I don't know how I missed that. I'll have to go check that out on Warosu.

>>16496245
>translating Whitehead into fucking Mandarin
Congrats bro, you've found a way to make Whitehead even fucking harder to understand.

>>16496261
no there wasn't lol, guenonfag was just irked about the space taoism spreading itb (delueze, whitehead, accfags etc) and tried to insert himself by pushing his own forced meme even when those threads already died out for months.

>>16496504
There was a shilling war, but it was only between two anons: guenonfag and whiteheadfag

>>16496578
there wasn't a whiteheadfag, it was girardfag and accfag

>>16496589
This. I miss girardfag, whatever happened to him?

>>16496597
Girardfag was my first dip into insane outlandish philosophy. Then I was influenced by the schizoposter. They ruined my life and I still haven't recovered.

>>16496589
There was. Pic rel

>>16496853
>stop bifurcating nature
I read the Concept of Nature but still can't understand what he means... can u explain?

>>16497553
I could.

>>16496638
Unironically same

>>16497553
In the simplest sense, the bifurcation of nature is bifurcating the world into the objective "cold hard facts" and seeing those as primary and the subjective experience and values of feelings, aesthetics, and ethics and seeing those as secondary.
Whitehead's ontology being of internally related events that reaffirms causality is critical of this.

>>16496638
>>16499267
>trusting a bourgeois rationalist who feel sad due to nihilism so he larped as theist
Guenon was the first yuppie.
Guenon is the male equivalent of Alexandra David-Néel.

>>16496638
>tfw too dumb to understand the schizoposters rants

>>16499495
I hadn't noticed before how similar his approach is to Husserlian phenomenology. thanks.

Bump

>>16496597
>>16496638
>girardfag
Just another autistic autodidact pseud with zero self-awareness, not unlike Kantbot.