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16484100 No.16484100 [Reply] [Original]

the world has problems, material and spiritual. they mainly stem from high finance and manifests itself in the form of usery, war, and enslavement to capital.

i am a zoomer so I am still plagued with naive hopes of overthrowing the current power structure, while others who are more mature than I have made peace with the system as it is too large, and attempting to destroy it would cause more misery and suffering than if we were to accept it.

I am haunted everyday by this problem, I do not see things getting better and I do not want future generations to have it worse off than I do.

I don't know what to do

>> No.16484113

>>16484100
Stop channeling solutions and problems into politics. The nature of politics is never winning. If you win, there are no politics

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>>16484100
the only reason you care about this is because you're an incel/neet
just get a high paying job and hot piece of ass to coom into
literally what more could you want? your life is already set, be thankful you're not a fucking serf toiling away in a field and dying at age 40.
ungrateful pleb

>> No.16484127

>>16484117
>tfw no serf working 4 days a week 5 hours a day at max for free everything and personal protection

>> No.16484142

You are a zoomer, you'll grow up to realise the current system is the best to date, capitalism is the best system when it comes to redistributing resources (not assets!). You are more fortunate than 99.9% of your ancestors. You have a roof, food on your plate and an access to internet.

You can have all those things easily in a capitalistic society provided that you aren't mentally challenged, able and willing to work. For those who aren't, yes, we need to be more solidary. If you're not, you have no excuses to hate capitalism, you are just jealous because you failed to dig your whole in this system.

You'll come to realise that virtually all the magical solutions you think we should investigate have disastrous effects.

You'll come to realise that boomers aren't just retarded old people who do not understand the world we live in, they have experience, probably have gone though your current thought process and realised with time that it was retarded, they've been here longer than you have. Never forget that.

People way smarter than you have thought about the issue, and we've selected this system because with all its flaws, it's the best one.

>> No.16484146

>>16484142
holy shit imagine being 21

>> No.16484157

>>16484142
Also, life is suffering, of course people suffer under capitalism, because they are alive, simple as that. No system will change the human condition to a point where suffering is eradicated.

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>>16484157
17 but was raised rw

>> No.16484184

>>16484113
it's not about politics, it's the way people live their lives. community is dead, society does not trust each other, and we are slaves to animalistic desires. We are growing evermore miserable because we have strayed away from our values.

i honestly think these are the good times, i don't imagine the situation to improve in the future. If i have it miserable, my kids would only have it that much harder.
>>16484142
We (we) did not select this system, we were born into it. It has not existed for a very long time. My ancestors have lived and enjoyed life much more than I have perbaps even though they have lacked a certain material quantity that i have.
I am thankful to have food, water, shelter, and all my limbs intact, but i am lacking soul.
The system has been created to extract as much value as possible from us, turn us into debt slaves. I am not saying that I have the solutions, I am saying I want things to be different. Maybe I am wrong, but I do not mind attempting to be a forxe for good.
>>16484157
I do not mind suffering, in fact I am grateful that I am not suffering as much as I could be and would still be thankful if I was suffering more as suffering is the great expander of consciousness and has been the prerequisite of all great works of creative expression.

That being said, I am not content with rhe way things are.

>> No.16484190

>>16484184
>I am not content with rhe way things are.
Understandable, but is capitalism really at fault for those issues? What are they exactly? Would they be less prominent in another economical system?

>> No.16484191

>>16484100
>>16484184
How old r u

>> No.16484210

>>16484100
you need the Stoics, perhaps with a chaser of the Taoists. start with Epictetus.

>> No.16484230

>>16484190
>Understandable, but is capitalism really at fault for those issues?
yes. capitalism has turned our god into money. capitalism exists on the false presupposition that we will continue to have exponential economic growth while we operate on a finite amount resources.
>What are they exactly?
The commodification of every aspect of our lives, the idea that personal pleasure is the highest attainable good, social alienation, spiritual degradation, i can go on.
>Would they be less prominent in another economical system?
Yes, Buddhist economics.
>>16484191
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>>16484210
I would rather change what I do not like rather than simply tolerating it.

>> No.16484249

>>16484230
You can only change what you have control over.

>> No.16484311

>>16484249
I have no control over it, you are correct. but i would rather be a force for change rather than simply accepting how it is.
I know it's goose chasing, and I will only end up miserable for doing so, but my heart says I should do what I believe is the right thing.
The best thing for me to do would be to create my own community, spreading awareness on issues and furthering my own knowledge to reach a mature understanding with a comprehensive weltanschauung. My understanding of the world is not even in its infancy, but a fetus that has only just been conceived growing evermore from attaining new information.

My despair, comes from the fact that I know attempting to change anything will be a fruitless endeavor. I will not get anywhere. Not me, and I will likely end up further alienated than I already am and will grow more miserable and resort to substance abuse, trapping myself into a mental prison with suicidal idealation ever increasing.

Nevertheless, I will still fight for what I know is right. Even if doing so is suicide.

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>>16484311
You're fucked kid lol

>> No.16484353

>>16484100
>books that will help/stop my naive idealism
a short history of decay - cioran

>> No.16484371

>>16484127
No trendies tho :/

>> No.16484395

>>16484100
Vote in the primaries and local elections. That is where the possibility for change is decided. The other half is pushing people who inhabit the office toward real change, that's why having someone closer to what you want is import, they're easier to push. Unless you're right wing it's way too late for a violent revolution. We need to focus on sustainable decentralized production and distribution to tease out fates from nation states.

>> No.16484475

>>16484395
>Unless you're right wing it's way too late for a violent revolution.
what did he mean by this?

>> No.16484615

>>16484100
Gravity's Rainbow

>> No.16484814

>>16484100
Read some socialist, marxist, communist, anarchist, etc. The root of the problem is capitalism.

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>>16484814
They all fail to separate the State from Capital. Read post anarchism https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/saul-newman-war-on-the-state-stirner-and-deleuze-s-anarchism

>> No.16484916

>>16484833
is this the guy who keeps calling me a chud?

>> No.16484935

>>16484184
Yeah I miss the good old days when everywhere was constantly at war

>> No.16484980

>>16484916
chances are they are not white or a tranny

>> No.16485056

>>16484935
this but unironcially

>> No.16485086

It is destined for this system to collapse.

Make your peace with the Lord. It’s the only way forward.

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>>16484371
Tendies*

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>> No.16486989

>>16484142
>boomers aren't just retarded old people
Boomers don't understand how drive thru speakers work despite all claiming to have worked fast food one summer to pay for college.

>> No.16487007

>>16484127
>tfw no time off all of winter with a multi acre plot of land to live on

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>> No.16487222

>>16484100
Read history books, mainly about revolutions and revolutionary personalities, especially communism, history is a great teacher for this kind of things.

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>> No.16487595

>>16484100
Read Temporary Autonomous Zone

>> No.16487839

>>16484100
>get good at something
>get power and money
>make change
You will lose the naive idealism and find ways to enact change in the world or you wont.

>> No.16487842

>>16484330
this, look anon I get what you're thinking I was like that too but you have to brow accustomed to hard truths about humanity itself

>> No.16487847

>>16487842
grow* sorry its been a long day

>> No.16488338

>>16487842
>>16487847
What are the hard truths about humanity itself?

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>> No.16489277

>>16484117
disgusting tranny

>> No.16489509

>>16489277
how is that a tranny

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commies are huge retards so dont listen to them, not only do they only offer solutions to "material" problems while offering worse than nothing for spiritual problems, they cant actually follow through with the solutions they offer and in the end cause WAY more problems then they could ever hope to alleviate

the answer is found in putting a leash on and reining in "high finance" and industry without completely destroying it like commies want to, in order to bring prosperity to the lower classes while combining this with a culture of extreme dignity and respect for yourself, your community, and your people as to fight off decadence that comes with prosperity

suffering is minimized because the only ones who suffer are commie fags and the worst degenerates

>> No.16489932

>>16489509
She tricked him

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>>16484117
>just get a high paying job and hot piece of ass to coom into
how do I do this, anons?

>> No.16492221

>>16484100
Why put the sin of the world in your shoulders? If you want community that extends past you gamer weed smoking friends, go find one. Clubs, churches, they're all still around. Modern culture is a swamp, but you can still climb a tree

>> No.16492232

>>16484311
You need to swallow your pride kid, you arent going to become a cult leader.

>> No.16492248

>>16489907
ah, what a shame! if only there existed a political system that satisfied your answer!
p.s. kys for redditpoasting

>> No.16492262

>>16484100
We live in a world where the masses are lied to about everything, there are hidden agendas for most things, corporations run rampant, sell sell sell its due to capitalism...

>> No.16492264

>>16492232
It's actually pretty easy to do, not that I'm speaking from experience.
If you have even a small group of dedicated people, you can grow pretty large.
Add some drugs like LSD and fanaticism you can become an organic body that is capable of doing some crazy things.
The only thing that actually stops you is getting infiltrated by feds.

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>>16492264
If it's so easy, can you give me the steps on how to do it?

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>> No.16493632

There's some obscure guy named Ted Kaczynski. You might want to check him out.

>> No.16493650

>>16484100
The first step to fighting an "enemy" is understanding the enemy but the ones who understand the capitalist system are few if any. So i would suggest learning economy. There are books from Keynesian, Austrian economics But also postkeynesian and the like, people who criticize the economic system.

>> No.16493829

>>16484100
Ted's manifesto or The Conspiracy Against the Human Race if you wanna go deeper.

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>>16493829
>antinatism

>> No.16494562

>>16493829
>antinatalism
Cringe

>> No.16494578

>>16484117
The fuck kisses with open eyes?

>> No.16494661

>>16494578
People who don't think you're ugly to look at.

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>> No.16499213

>>16484100
You already answered your own question. 'Mature people' see that trying to change the system will just make the system worse. And I assume you only want to change the system because you want to change yourself. Ask yourself, why do you really care about "the future of humanity", do you think this is really a natural thing to care about? Or were you told to care about this?

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>> No.16500485

>>16484100
>the world has problems, material and spiritual. they mainly stem from high finance

They stem from human nature, everyone want to eat others and became dominant power, more or less.

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>its another episode of late teens to early twenties year old gamer thinks he has discovered something profound and or "the truth" about how things REALLY work
unironically have sex

marcus aurelius, seneca, epictetus, buddha.

>> No.16501513

>>16484100

You're a very honorable one zoom zoom.

Typically, the best way to destroy idealism is just live for some more years and having a job for some more years.

But why would you want to hasten this outcome and to lose hope faster?

>> No.16501952

>>16484142
I remember believing this in my early 20s because I was raised by those same boomers. I realize now there are clear as hell problems with the system and they need to be fixed. However reality is that it will take a very long time before it does. The system only changes at a snail's pace.

>> No.16501957

>>16484117
Sounds pathetic desu

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>> No.16502746

>>16484100
>>16484184
>>16484230
>>16484311
Also a zoomer, but I just need to say that I think you're coming about this the wrong way. You claim that the angst and frustration you are feeling is a direct, inevitable byproduct of modern life, but I think it's a byproduct of a flaw in your own logic.

>My understanding of the world is not even in its infancy, but a fetus that has only just been conceived growing evermore from attaining new information. [...] I know attempting to change anything will be a fruitless endeavor.

You claim to know nothing ("My understanding of the world is not even in its infancy"), and yet, at the same time, you claim complete certainty that you are powerless to change the world. You are still quite young, and are correct in saying you have much to learn, but you need to remember that you certainly aren't powerless; you just haven't learned how to change things yet.

I'm definitely not the person to tell you how to do that; probably, no-one is. But you asked for something to read, so here's some food for thought. I hope you find them interesting, if nothing else.
https://waitbutwhy.com/story-of-us
https://kazerad.tumblr.com/tagged/manipulation/chrono

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>>16502746
did you seriously just post a link to tumblr?

>> No.16502834

>>16502829
unironically retarded

>DA WRONG PIXELS

kys

>> No.16502932

>>16484142
Based and dare I say blackpilled.

>> No.16503370

>>16484100
hile others who are more mature than I have made peace with the system as it is too large, and attempting to destroy it would cause more misery and suffering than if we were to accept it.

Thats still just idealism. Actually mature people are rare. Especially in the west, and especially in america. Most people are basically overgrown 10 year olds.

The actual half redpill that some people come to realize is that there is no system. Things run on circumstance and history, and the same problems come up again because old people die and young people have to relearn the lessons
Of the old before they die and the cycle starts over again.
The other half is that ultimately people through a combination of biology and social circumstance are on the whole more bad than good and ennact all the things they say the hate(injustice oppression discrimination thievery violence hypocrisy etc) on other people or animals.all the time and they arent even aware of it and if made aware of it simply will rationalize their own actions to themselves. People mostly are cowardly sheep and also viscious vultures with no scruples. The fact that they are oppressed is a gift to them. This has been known since the time of the ancient greeks

The ultimate black pill is that the concern with changing the system is a small sideshow to the actual trans historical drama playing out. This is no accident. Something made us and made this and its not a kind god or a demon. Worse, its
A child. It laughs at us
All the time. We are here to make it laugh. An entire lifetime of suffering for no reason and then death. Its funny to it. That literally the the whole reason for all of this. Everything is one big joke literally, for that thing

>> No.16503395

>>16503370
Forgot to add to this that in case you didnt get it yet, capitalism isnt a thing. There is no alternative. What we are is a stage of technological development. Thats western science/capitalism. Its functionally the same as "communism" or any ither ism you drop at this point in time.

>> No.16503451

>>16484100
Even better, go out and live a life.

>> No.16503892

>>16503451
Lol gay

>> No.16503898

>>16503370
>The ultimate black pill is that the concern with changing the system is a small sideshow to the actual trans historical drama playing out. This is no accident. Something made us and made this and its not a kind god or a demon. Worse, its
>A child. It laughs at us
>All the time. We are here to make it laugh. An entire lifetime of suffering for no reason and then death. Its funny to it. That literally the the whole reason for all of this. Everything is one big joke literally, for that thing
what do I have to read to attain this knowledge

>> No.16504560

>>16503898

Basically history and thinking in a meta level.

>> No.16505079

>>16487839
Working within capitalism has pretty clearly strengthened capitalism. You end up focusing all efforts on maintaining or increasing your power and money. Nobody wants to make changes at that point, because change threatens what you've already worked for

>> No.16505091

>>16489907
Of course, the millions who suffer are "subhuman"! Easy to dismiss the brutal inequities of your society. Even commies take more responsibility than this fash garbage

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You think we need to overthrow some sort of "regime" but there's no one at the top to overthrow. The gorillionaires at the top are all slaves to their fortunes, the master-slave dialectic has been dissolved. The creation of the "citizen" is the sublimation of this very dialectic, for we are all slaves to capital. There's no "going back" to tradition. History is over. Your options are you either consume slop at the trough of reanimalized man or become the post-historical Snob of form-for-its-own-sake. You can larp as a nietzschan overman all you like but at the end of the day you are posing in this faux-radicalism because neoliberal hegemony lets you.

This is not "fun" or "romantic" which is why many people choose to simply larp. It's up to you whether you want to play dress up like a child or grow up.

>> No.16505140

>>16484100
The thing is, those problems always were around, they still would be even if our system wasn't on the brink of collapse. But even then, empires rise and fall, that is normal. You should just learn to let go, read stoics and religious texts.

>> No.16505148

>>16484142
Retard: the post

>> No.16505203

>>16484330
oh god I wish that were me

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Read Marx

>> No.16505747

>>16489907
>Muh commies ignore spirit
Read 1844 Manuscripts

>> No.16505856

>>16505747
>muh commies actually knowledge the spiritual
Read the german ideology

>> No.16505869

>>16505856
I have. Nobody claims "spirit" isn't real, we do claim that the material affects it though. These Nazioid larpers who think they found "spiritual liberation" or whatever are just that, larpers.

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>> No.16506400

>>16484117
This desu. This is the easiest time in human history.

>> No.16506415

>>16484184
>but i am lacking soul.
Why? What is stopping you? If you're not in some 3rd world shithole then you have more freedom to do what you want than 99.99% of people in history. You could become a monk if you want.

>> No.16506698

>>16506400
>we can consoom so everything is fine

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>>16484100
1) stop letting your feelies get the better of you
2) stop thinking theres a magic book that will infallibly boil down the complexities of economy state and geopolitics into a neat digestible package
3) consider that a revolution will not inexorably lead to better conditions and will likely only lead to your coddled psyche crumbling beneath the chaos
4) live in uncertainty and put your despair into good work where it's tangible. maybe do local charity local activism work dugnad whatever

>theres no redpill
>no methodology
>no quick fix
this is the real redpill fwiw
there's only what every person does and especially what you yourself do
the drive to simplify the world is cause for a lot of problems alive nowadays, on all scales where people are involved

>> No.16507213

>>16505091
>muh poor commies and degenerates
>muh inequities
LMAO

>> No.16507227

>>16505091
>making millions of people suffer
>fash
Yet again someone with a meme understanding of fascism

>> No.16507608

>>16507227
>it wasn't real fascism!

>> No.16508731

>>16506698
Literally yes. If you have food, water, and shelter then you've met all your basic needs.

>> No.16509394

>>16508731
Read ISAIF

>> No.16509846

>>16505079
nope. you' are assuming everyone has the same goals. anyway you're clearly someone (like all who claim to be against capitalism) who has spent little time building something on their own. you don/t understand how for some the work in itself can be gratifying and money is only valued as a thing which provides one the means to continue working and building. the range of human motivations is immensely varied and not readily reduced to the platitude that capitalism as a system makes people only care about money and power as ends and not as means to create and shape humanity thru the work that one does.

>> No.16509997

>>16509394
I'll pass on some schizophrenic ramblings. There is nothing stopping you from doing something you'd find spiritually fulfilling. You have more opportunities, in fact, than some medieval serf.

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>>16484117
>the only reason you care about this is because you're an incel/neet
>just get a high paying job and hot piece of ass to coom into
>literally what more could you want? your life is already set, be thankful you're not a fucking serf toiling away in a field and dying at age 40
>ungrateful pleb

>> No.16510128

>>16484100
>they mainly stem from high finance
>t. uneducated poorfag
most problems beyond basic subsistence are caused by our own base and immoderate desires.

>> No.16510362

>>16484142
You're the guy that thanked your master for beating you

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>>16484100
The book of Ecclesiastes.

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>>16484117
>>16484142
BASED

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