/lit/ - Literature

Linkola advocates for a government. He's wrong in every way, completely antithetical to Kaczynski. Obviously, a bird-watching poet is not on the same level as a genius mathematician.

Don't bother replying to this post if you jerk to linkola. If you're truly invested in dismantling technological society, you'd realize that Linkola's position is of no more use than the endless political books sitting on my shelf. No offense to the man, just making things clear.

the human race is done. As nick land says "nothing human makes it to the future alive." Ted should have just bought a plane ticket to sibeira, escaped to the forest and never looked back.

>subhumans are getting slaughtered by some computer nerds
lmaoing @ Tedfags

>>16456792
The thousands of unwashed neckbeards who shill him online.

>>16456792
I'm expecting to see a edit of Teddy K as Jesus any day now.

.>>16456945
Don't worry anon, global warming will kill any chance of this future happening.

>>16456918
>Obviously, a bird-watching poet is not on the same level as a genius mathematician.
Fuck Geist and your retarded worship of abstractions.

Has a lot of Linkola's texts even been translated into English? t. Finn who might translate something of his if bored

>>16458271
neckbeards like video games and all sorts of technological garbage. why would they agree with Ted?

>>16456918
This, people need to realize that the maintenance of functioning regulatory body like the government already implies a considerable technological sophistication and as such inhibits Kaczynskian power process

>>16456792
bump

>>16458369
Unironically good

Sean Goonan will assume the throne

>>16458633
Can Life Prevail has, not sure about the rest

>>16458369
>global warming will kill any chance of this future happening
Technocapital is already rapidly adapting to global warming
It cannot be killed

>>16458641
they don't, they just want to seem cool and edgy

>>16456918
Smart enough not to ruin his reputation and ideas by becoming a terrorist

>>16456945
There is literally nothing wrong with living like that comic and no amount of spooks like "muh authenticity" can prove me wrong.

>>16459944
>muh terrorist
How are his ideas ruined when you clearly don't like his use of tech? It just approves his arguments. He played 4D chess and everyone is too stupid to even notice it.

>>16459969
If you want to be taken seriously you don't start killing people. That just shows you are mentally unstable. Lenin refuted that mentality almost a century earlier

>>16459977
>If you want to be taken seriously you don't start killing people
Why? There is literally no reason to think like this when you're not a Christian. Killing your enemies is the most normal thing throughout history.

>>16459977
>If you want to be taken seriously you don't start killing people
>Like Lenin
So who is going to tell him?

>>16459969
>>16459989
>>16460020
this.

>>16456792
cringe that you would even put that dude next to Kaczynski. Kaczynski is miles above that dude.

>>16459977
>If you want to be taken seriously you don't start killing people
Yikes!

>>16456945
I dont think there is anything gayer than posting a Nick Land quote you read on some twitter blog post, posting cringe Matrix red pilled images in a Kaczynski thread.

Imagine doing any of those things on their own in some manner irl

>>16459951
I'm going to prove you wrong: you're a fucking faggot and cringe, post physique

>>16456792
https://youtu.be/yQz1ML5jmAI
This man will probably interest you

>>16461184
yeah he's ok, but mistaken to think tk and the other guy are somehow on par.

I'm interested in reading some philosophy or other academic writing that talks about population control and ecology. I know what Linkola has to say on it, but I'm interested in reading others too.

>>16459951

Based. Only problem with comic is that it ignore posthumanism entirely. There are possible pleasures our brains can't handle.

"Imagine instead our posthuman descendants taking the form of Buddhas sitting on vast lotus thrones in a state of blissful tranquility. Their minds contain perfect awareness of everything that goes on in the Universe and the reasons why it happens, yet to each happening, from the fall of a sparrow to the self-immolation of a galaxy, they react only with acceptance and equanimity. Suffering and death long since having been optimized away, they have no moral obligation beyond sitting and reflecting on their own perfection, omnipotence, and omniscience – at which they feel boundless joy."

Does that sound so bad?

Does anyone have suggestions for writers concerned about ecology that write about anthropocentrism from the viewpoint that it's necessary and that to abandon it would irresponsible at this stage? This is kind of a rough idea I'm working with and I would like to read something related that's more polished.

Anything that's sort of a human-animal relation version of The White Man's Burden.

>>16462027
How is that even a debatable position? The only reason we can reflect on this dichotomy is because of our superior social intelligence. Naturally, by assuming the belief that humans are superior to other animals, we have already implied as such by our own capability to do so.

I feel as though I haven't explained my position as well as I had thought I should, but I am sure one could infer my argument as it is simple.

>>16456945
just put me in the box already

>>16462043
I agree, but I'm taking an animal studies class at the moment that seems hell bent on dismantling stratified distinctions between humans and animals. I'm not of this opinion myself but I don't have much to bring against their arguments in terms of reading that I've done, only my own sense of it.

The angle they are looking it is mostly one of moral consideration, but there seems to be an aura of disdain for anthropocentism that I don't share.

>>16462047
You seem more well read than me so you have probably read up on prehistoric man, but if not, I recommend you read, "The Prehistory of the Mind" by Prof Steven Mithen. He suggests a hypothesis of the evolution of human intelligence, and why we developed consciousness. If you have any other books about prehistory, I would appreciate if you could recommend some to me.

>>16456945
This image makes me really sad but there is nothing wrong with this life as perception is a chemical illusion anyway

the only thing possible to save us is go full tilt into technology and do some cyber-ecology. This whole veneration of nature and integrating ourselves into it because we're part of it is doomed to fail

>>16456792
>their
>preferred pronouns they/their
>Ted Kaczynski is now trans

>>16459989
Because the World is Christian.

>>16456945
Even if that were true, the biggest failure of all would be disintegrating instead of going out proud

>>16459989
His enemies were random civvies? Rly makes you think

Bump

>>16456792
Greta Thunberg. Past dubs have confirmed it.

>>16462256
Whoever made this chart hasn't read half the stuff that's in it.

>>16462241
It's up to you to find individual salvation regardless of what happens to the world. Worlds come and go, it's irrelevant to you

Forestanon

>>16462259
Thats how these charts work.

>>16462259
why

>>16462259
Meh. I've read most of them, though I confess I've never read Theocritus or Schweitzer in full, and I tuned out a lot of Haag. He's really autistic. But I'll take suggestions on books or descriptions if you have them.

>>16456918
Linola's primary concern is his country. Unlike Kaczynski who advocates anti-tech for human's sake Linola seems to care primarily about ecological diversity. He wants greater respect for nature in his country. Honestly he's more moderate than he's made out to be. And as to Kaczynski's math genius, he was a prodigy but he spent almost his entire math career on boundary functions. Nobody cares about boundary functions. His math reputation is overstated.

>>16462271
Ellul, Evola, Hesiod, Virgil, Schweitzer and Theocritus are not at all against technology.
Kaczynski would dismiss the traditionalist school as gobbledygook trash.
Also
>a fucking youtuber book

If I were to make a Ted chart I would include marxist philosophers in the majority, since that's what Kaczynski is more inspired by and what he reads the most in prison. I remember him saying that Lenin in particular was a big inspiration.

>>16462293
Could you give me a reading list? Is a Lenin biography a good start?

>>16462305
I'd recommend reading Marx first before delving into Lenin. A good reading order would be:
>Theses on Feuerbach
>Draft of a Communist Confession of Faith
>The Principles of Communism
>Wage Labour and Capital
>Critique of the Gotha Program
>Socialism: Utopian and Scientific
>The Communist Manifesto
>Ludwig Feuerbach
>A Critique of the German Ideology
>Anti-Duhring
>Capital (with a guide)
You don't have to read them all, ofc

As for Lenin:
>Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism
>What Is to Be Done?
>The State and Revolution
>"Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder (this one is very similar to Ted's critique of leftists in his manifesto)

>>16462332
Thanks bro.

>>16462332
I´ve heard there was one bit where Marx theoretized about decreasing quality of goods as more and more labour gets replaced by tech. Do you happen to know where was that from?

>>16458612
thats a nice image of Klages, where'd you get it? I dont see him discussed often around here

>>16456792
>When Ted Kaczynski dies who will take up their mantle?
whoever slays Zuckerburg with a stone age weapon of some kind

>>16462389
omw

>>16461605
That simply will never happen. Matrix boxes are far more likely.

>>16459940
Sounds like a strawman to me.

>>16458271
>>16459940
cba to dig up a soijak for your fags. just act like i posted one here

>>16462248
>random
look this fag

>>16458612
Based. And would you agree that antinatalism is the most clear expression of Klagesian Geist/Spirit known you man? One needs only to glance at those screen shots of antinatalist Reddit threads to see that those “people” would end every instance of life, not just humanity, if given the chance.

>>16456792
Unironically, Yuval Noah Harari and a slew of normie writers/perpetual complainers.

>>16459681
He in unknown though.

>>16463743
is*

>>16462332
Great for putting you to sleep. Marx is god awful boring and long winded.

>>16460678
Nick Land is higher brow than Kaczynski

>>16459926
Cope

>>16462256
pretty good chart. great to see the TedK + Traditionalist connection.

Reminder that the idea that technology controls or will control us in the future is utter bullshit and the human spirit can triumph over any obstacle so long as it feels a noble inclination to do so. This is why some wretched old 50+ year old who hates the world will hold all modern technology in disdain while his son simultaneously can master all modern technology and excel at using it far beyond what his depressed father is capable of. The only thing that can limit the human spirit is the spirit itself and its refusal to participate.

>>16464331
Based naive idealist.

>>16464353
Pessimistic realism is just as naive, with the difference being that it's also sterile.

>>16461594
To be clear I'm asking for suggestions here. It seems like there is a a mix of a sense of respect for life and a sense that certain populations should be reduced (human, house cat, invasive species, etc.) I'm wondering if there is anyone that tries to resolve these things.

>>16456792
Me.

>>16462256
thanks

>>16464331
There are lots and lots and lots of limits to the human spirit, bud, both in terms of physical impossibilities and ways that the spirit itself can be hijacked or short-circuited for nefarious reasons that most people won't ever be conscious enough to even notice, let alone overcome.
This line of thinking also ignores that the average person is not an ubermensch who will power through all obstacles and overcome all adversity. Even if one person is, surprise, he still has to live with the obese tiktok-addicted cattle around him and watch them bulldoze everything he values.

>>16465250
ngmi

>>16465320
Stop slinging memes and look around you, you fucking faggot.

>>16465335
>look around you
That's what I did and why I came to the conclusion above. Every day, marvelous things are made thanks to the human spirit persevering through the madness of the rabble. If you choose to focus on what this drowning rabble thinks and drown with it, that's on you.

>>16465351
Not him, by why do you want to run without ever stopping? Billions of people existed with less. You are just spinning your wheels for nothing

>>16459951
I'm going to prove you wrong by dislocating your jaw with my elbow.

>>16465381
Stopping to take a breather every now and then is perfectly fine. Regressing into the drowning rabble that despises everything and condemns everyone not a part o fit isn't the same as stopping, it's suicide.

>>16462102
>he doesn't even recognize their as a proper plural possessive anymore
fucking americans

>>16465392
How is it suicide if everyone stops? Or if the conditions permitting “progress” vanished at once?

https://youtu.be/tuWP9ILYkQY
Keith woods gets dismantled by a prominent materialist.
Stop posting this twink.

>>16465433
The people who talk about bullshit ideas like "technology controls us / will control us" don't just want people to take a break, they want to end all of it permanently, because they're depressed failures who hate other people.

>>16461605
Acceptance is gay and retarded beta shit.

>>16465446
That is not an answer to how stopping or regressing is “suicide”. The only people who fear regress are those who compensate for their vices with technology.

>>16465465
Things are "progressing" only because spirit wants them to, because there are people out there who love what they do, love their lives, and keep investigating things, optimizing things, building things, and so on. The best and happiest people. A permanent stop to technological progress is the same as killing the human spirit. But I'm sure you know that already.

>>16465492
But man is not just spirit. I know about spirit, and it wants only to kill all life, all soul. You have literally sold your soul and sworn your fealty. Good luck.

>>16465508
You're just another drowning loser who lacks spirit. Don't talk about selling one's soul when you're a hellspawn yourself.

>>16465521
Just answer this: is the activity of progress itself good, or is there some objective of the progress that is good?

>>16465549
"the activity of progress" is the result of an outpouring of love in the world. Your question, in reality, is "is love good?" YEAH IT'S FUCKING GOOD, IT'S GREAT ACTUALLY.

>>16465561
That is a very incoherent mindset. Why change what you love? If you love something as it is, changing it makes it what it is not. If you do not love it as it is, then you do not love it

>>16465591
There's nothing incoherent about it. You just don't understand jack shit about how things work.
>If you love something as it is, changing it makes it what it is not.
Why love anything then, when everything is in a constant state of change anyway? Do you hate life? Of course you do, since you argue in favor of it "stopping."

>>16465618
Your mom remains your mom regardless of how old she becomes or how many iterations of iphone exist. Do you actively sculpt your family members to your liking?
Also, life may evolve (ie progress) at the macro level but the individual lives of creatures (outside of some humans) are cyclical, not progressive
And technology is not alive, so stopping tech does not imply that all life stops. Only the lives of those physically dependent on advanced technologies (like cancer patients, or people who weigh 700lbs).

>>16465676
>>16465618
Might as well add that something red could turn blue. That is a change, but no “progress” is involved. Change =! Progress. Progress implies change but not the inverse. Blue to red would be subjectively be “progress” if you valued red more than blue, or if red would structurally more complex than blue

>>16465676
Dude, if you can't handle a fucking smartphone and you bitch this hard about them, just fucking die already. Your expiration date has obviously passed.

>>16459989
Wow so edgy

>>16465701
Non argument. I’m fine living in the woods or in the city so long as I can, in minecraft, work towards ending technological progress. It’s what makes life “fun”, as if I needed a reason to make something already good anything more than that.

>>16465749
>as if I needed a reason to make something already good anything more than that.
If you weren't just a dead log and you had any spirit, you would feel differently. But that's what you are, a spiritless dead log who defends the drowning rabble of failures.

>>16465763
Keep going. These emotional outbursts of yours are pretty relaxing to read.

>>16465787
>I find it relaxing to throw mud all over love and life itself
I'm sure you do, degenerate.

>>16465797
Something innately good (say god, if you believe in one) moving away from what it is (i.e. *good*) degeneration, regardless of it is moving “up” or “down”. Surely you understand that the average human can only live in temperatures between around 0 and 100 Fahrenheit (very rough figures) for extended periods of time. Too little and too much would kill the human, especially though not exclusively, for too long. Apply the same logic to “good”. If you move away from the center, whether you go up or down, you are no longer at the center: you are, by definition, not-center. Center = good in this petty example

>>16465492
Why are you convinced that every one of the engineers squeezing more and more transistors into fewer and fewer nanometers is a happy, fulfilled explorer who dreams of their work propelling humanity into the future? I know many of those people, and they aren't like that. Most of them are on antidepressants.

>>16465848
Sorry for spelling and grammar mistakes. Typing on a phone :^)
Now leaving for class. Maybe I’ll see you in an hour or so

>>16465848
You don't love life like a man loves it. A man loves life like he loves a woman: he wants to make it his, make it as beautiful as possible, and fill it with himself as much as possible, so that a greater future can be born from it. This kind of love is what has thrown you and the rest of the rabble into chaos, because you're too weak for it.

>>16465893
>A man loves life like he loves a woman: he wants to make it his, make it as beautiful as possible

Exactly what Ted wants to do. We've come full circle.

Based Ted.

>>16464331
Ah yes, the Weltgeist will step in and save us at the last minute, after all look at the brilliant job it did with the twentieth century.

>>16465908
Ted wants to bomb it to death, actually.

>>16456945
I never understood why philosophically the concept of this comic is a bad thing.

>>16464581
You know what to do, fellow cat poster

>>16465921
Your will saves you. Nothing else can.

>>16456792
If Ted was so smart, why didn't he become a demagogue or something similar if he truly wanted to spread his ideas? All he got now is sharing a prison with mozzlem terrorists. He'll pretty much fade from popular memory after a generation

>>16466785
The fact that he bombed people is literally the only reason anybody is still talking about his beliefs to this day. Nobody on earth would know the name Ted Kaczynski if he had just been a mathematician who self-published a manifesto outside of his field.
Instead, he forced the world into a conversation and showed them exactly how seriously he was taking it.

>>16466936
this.

but I think still a good number of people would have appreciated his work. It's absolutely groundbreaking, original, and powerful in how clearly and concisely it is articulated.

>>16466785
You fool, the only reason anyone knows of any revolutionary ideology is because of violence. If it weren't for marxist revolutionaries using shit loads of violence like Mao and Lenin and Castro etc. etc. etc., you would hardly have ever heard of Marxism.
Whether you like it or not, violence is the gas that propels history.

>>16466948
Those qualities would have intrigued people who did find it, but I don't think anybody would in the first place.

>>16466998
maybe you are right. the system would have buried it.

But there's another aspect to the violence that almost nobody appreciates: it is actually necessary to weed out and keep away people who would co-opt and emasculate the revolutionary potential of the ideology. Ted NEEDS to keep the kind of people who are horrified of the violence away from the ideology, because otherwise the ideology has the risk of being subsumed by the spectacle, whether the left or the right.

Who are some good neo-Malthusans to read?

>>16459951

>>16459951
you're evil and i hope to fight u one day

>>16458884
If I order that is the FBI gonna raid my apartment?

>>16456792
Uncle Ted hasn't seen a tree in decades lads :(

I hope he can hear a bird from time to time....

>>16459977
I know what you mean, but Lenin was taken pretty seriously in his day. His psycho successor was even more violent, and had an even tighter grip on the public.

>>16467999
eww gross. fucking cowards should stay away from these books. you'll just make shit worse.

go back to reading cope lit and try desperately to forget everything about kaczynski's writings like the rest of clown world.

>>16468015
>I know what you mean
kek. the system really has done a great job brainwashing you guys.

>>16465930
Chris Kyle killed like 10,000 towel heads and everyone wanted to suck his dick. Who cares bro. It's you're justification that matters in the end.

>>16468008
like many free people living in mega cities

>>16456945
Cipher was based

>>16462276
>And as to Kaczynski's math genius, he was a prodigy but he spent almost his entire math career on boundary functions. Nobody cares about boundary functions. His math reputation is overstated.
Shut the fuck up. Boundary functions are based. Noone cares about derived categories, tranny

>>16462088
You have literally no proof of that.

>>16456945
There is literally nothing wrong with the future in that comic though. You are coping if you don't want to feel the pleasure equivalent to 1000 shots of heroin for the rest of your existence. Go ahead, call me a filthy hedonist all you want.

>>16456945
This can’t happen if we have capitalism