/lit/ - Literature

most kids who watch youtube all day probably don't read already

>>16416072
exactly, and then they blame school because of it.

>>16416072
I read.

>>16416058
let me guess
>b-buh skool mayd me weed 2 mutch and now me no like weeding
Most fucking pathetic excuse for not reading instead of being honest and just admitting you don't enjoy it.
Fucking ugly aspie gook cunt

Imagine wanting to make high culture democratic honhonhon

>>16416123
Mass literacy was the death of literature

>Dude, I'm 22 and THIS IS ME and this is the way I WILL BE for the next 60 years
She can't even listen to music? What the fuck is wrong with this generation of NPCs. Fucking zoomers.

>>16416092
This is an 18+ board GET OUT!!!

Zoomers should be deleted and we start over

>>16416058
She'd fit right in here.

>>16416058
It's modern educations fault.
Primary school should be semi mandatory but should only be run by the state if necessary and secondary school should be all private and start in someones 10th year of schooling.
Primary school should teach life skills, classical literature, languages, basic history and mathematics.
Secondary school should teach science, mathematics and literature as it's core subjects and the school can decide the electives that will be taught due to all secondary schooling being private.
This would solve many issues such as OPs pic, the "I fucking love science crowd", overcrowding of universities, etc...

>>16416143
Mass literacy isn't the death of literature. The death of literature comes from the influx of the illiterate pretending they're not retards.

>>16416340
So this board is completely anti-literature

>>16416398
Be nice to the masses ;^)

>>16416058
Jaiden Animations is the bane of existence and with every animation she mocks the human race and rots the new age of people

>>16416398
I have never seen more people say the equivalent of 'stop reading' for one reason or another than on this very board.

>>16416058
Who gives a shit. Children who get exposed to e-celeb shit like this are already beyond help anyway. Opium for the masses.
Another thing I think is, compared to the past, the proportion of the literati population amongst the overall population hasn't changed but the representation of the illiterate masses have become more intense so obviously when we spend time on the internet we're going to think that illiterates are a larger proportion of society than they actually are.

>>16416796
>Children who get exposed to e-celeb shit like this are already beyond help anyway
what's with the defeatist attitude? I would watch horrible television as a child and teen. should I have just given up and not seek to improve myself?

>>16416855
Imagine being born to shit-tier parents who allow this

>>16416889
should they have beat me up and locked in a room with a book until I finished it?

>>16416923
Not him but yes.

>>16416058
I have masturbated to Jaiden fucking dogs several times and I'm not afraid to admit it.

>>16416855
>>16416923
You're right that defeatism is not the answer, but you need to use capitalization if you don't want people to immediately write you off as a zoomer retard.

>>16416211
>t. zoomer

>>16416796
>>16416889
Just because you're born in a bad or low culture environment does not mean that you'll stay there. That's only true if you're a hylic.

>>16416962
That sure sounds like a shallow excuse to dismiss someone.
And if anything at least it shows that I am not phoneposting

>>16416058
Is this one of those "I like Percy Jackson because I feel represented but Dickens was an old white dude so now I'll never read again and watch Netflix all day instead" girls?

>>16416982
Just watched the video. She's a "I live in a warped reality due to the fact that I surround myself with highly stimulating video games and YouTube videos and now I have add and can't focus on something boring like reading or listening to fucking music. Somehow this is the fault of English classes and of my mom" girl

>>16416998
Based and wellsummarisedpilled

>>16416058
I sort of get the POV.
I loved reading as a child, but I lived quite close to a library and read a lot of books that I found inherently interesting.
In school, we were made to read books and plays we couldn't relate to and analysed them to death. If that was the entirety of my exposure, I'd probably hate reading too.

How the fuck is a 13 year-old going to "get" Death of a Salesman?
I still wouldn't read it again, but the point is much more salient to an adult than a child.
Schoolkids should unironically be studying Harry Potter or Animorphs or something.

>>16416058
shes the classic dum nigga bitch:
>Its someone elses fault im a retard!

>>16416058
Shit threads like these encourage people not to read.

>>16416686
Okay I'm sold. What are her top vids?

>>16417017
Yea i agree, being forced to read texts i wasn't ready for yet combined with the lukewarm readings provided by my teachers killed my engagement with literature during high school and the first years of college. I only rediscovered literature during a holiday where i picked up a bunch of books without any pressure or obligations.

>>16417043
I liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plSyrHqUh78

>>16416947

>>16417017
I had similar experience. Was always a bookworm, but if my only exposure to books had been school I would have hated it.
Kids can just barely figure out themselves and the present world, and they are supposed to give insightful opinion on something written many decades or centuries ago by adult for adults, while at the same time being lucky enough to guess what the teacher wants to hear or their grade will suffer.
Books I hated as a kid I could understand much better now, I could even express myself better, but most of what I had to read back then I just don't feel like touching again.

>>16416058
Bruh she doesn't even like music, and instead listens to let's plays. Animal farm was too wordy for her. She's literally just a retarded person. Most zoomers are as smart as teens have ever been.

>>16416058
I do read a lot, just not a lot of books. Mainly articles, and wikis. I'd wager I probably read more than the average person did before new media, but it's not the same way. The trend we are seeing these days is that people just want infomation short and concise, since there is a *lot* more infomation to sort than there were before.
Is this bad? probably. I am not a scientist, I couldn't tell you. What I find more interesting is that people still hold books up on this pedestal where music or games just can't compete. Books are still more valued than other media, it's probably due to their wast cultural lineage spanning a few thousand years. Even though, they are just as flawed, there is a lot of garbage books. I am pretty sure /lit/ of all places could tell you that.

Also, all of you saying "society" or "school" is to blame, are probably way over your head. It's a cultural shift we are seeing in the infomation age. But I guess when I am old and grey and can't keep up, I'll join you guys too.

When I think about reading literature in school, I can only imagine it as larping.

For example, this being a German school, we looked at German romanticism. We read poems, learned about the time and ideas at the time. But I didn't get it. I was 16 and only cared about video games, why would I care about stupid woods? So when we had to write essays on poems, I acted like a machine. I just repeated what I was told in class about this moment which I was totally unable to feel empathetic for. It took time until I was older until I really got what this about.

>>16416058
I was in a similiar situation a couple of years ago. The problem is that she dismisses not having the attention span to read a book or listen to music as being a personal preference. Thats like a fat guy telling you "I tried working out and it didn't feel nice so I guess being a fatass is just my personal preference". In reality, it's not that hard to build a habit of reading / working out and after a few weeks/months you'll even like doing so.

>>16417077
>makes more money doing what she loves than any faggot bitching about her will see in their live
You might be the retarded one, anon.

>>16417087
At least you got poems. We got shitty short stories and contemporary trash about SHROOMS ARE BAAAID.

Though why the fuck would anyone care about reading in school? What the fuck did you do the years before?

>>16417142
>Money makes you smarter and ontologically superior
The bourgeois condition.

>>16417163
Did you miss the part about her doing what she loves and being self-made? Anyone who can have a cozy life like that is based as fuck.

I was watching her stream the other day and she can barely read fucking Pokemon text. She was replacing the words with what she assumed was there. I think she has an internet problem and she's just not the brightest.

>>16417188
>Loving the process of making money makes you smarter and ontologically superior
The bourgeois condition.

>>16417209
She loves the process of making her fucking videos. Managing to monetize it ... obviously takes extra skills, which further makes her smarter and ontologically superior compared to some cunt who uses his time to bitch about her.

>>16417221
>Managing to monetize it ... obviously takes extra skills, which further makes her smarter and ontologically superior compared to some cunt who uses his time to bitch about her.
Thanks for repeating my point for the third time, bourgeoid. Absolute state of you.

>>16417226
Well, I'm sorry you fail to see the obvious. Does hating on superior people really help with the coping?

>>16417221
getting lucky on youtube doesn't make someone superior you little prick, children can do what she does

>>16417237
>superior people are the people who know how to make money better
Gets a bit tiresome, doesn't it? I'm glad you acknowledge Cardi B as your ontological superior, btw.

>>16416980
It's not and it doesn't. If you can't take the time to present your ideas clearly, no one should be expected to acknowledge them in good faith. As for the phone posting, most zoomers turn off the autocorrect capitalization. You think all those teenagers are posting on Twitter with their desktop?

>>16417258
ppl here probably are just using her to cope, and thats very sad

>>16417247
You don't get 8 million followers by being lucky only.
>>16417258
>Cardi B as your ontological superior, btw.
For now.

>>16417269
I have no idea how people post on twitter unfortunately but turning off capitalization seems like a bothersome extra step that achieves nothing so I don't see the reason to do it
Besides I don't see why the lack of capitalization would make the exposition of ideas any less clear

>>16416998
I don't understand why people are like this though, you can play games and still read the Canon. Hell, reading Chaucer and Cervantes in between RPGs enhances the experience.
>>16417017
>>16417054
Is this bait, or are we experiencing a tsunami of newfriends? You aren't meant to "relate" to Dickens or Steinbeck or Ellison, you're meant to build empathy and insight into different groups of people and appreciate differences in tone and prose alongside representations of various time periods and mindsets. They don't teach Harry Potter and Animorphs because those are just stories about kids (who happen to similar people to the target audience) with entertaining (ymmv) action and twists. It's no different than teaching television.

>>16417282
so what do you for that then? pls explain

>>16417301
Procrastinating while writing my novel obviously.

>>16417295
It shows tonality and rhythm in speech. Maybe phrases like "i dislike shakespeare most of the time but hamlet was good" can be expressed without it (though that was pretty painful to type, frankly) but any sentence with more than one clause will suffer from neglecting grammar and syntax. Besides, if you're going to spend time shitposting and arguing with NEETS, why not practice your writing? That way, you can at least get something out of it. All-lowercase robs you of practice and hurts your ethos, sure you could say "Well, I don't care what such people think of me", but then why argue with them at all?

>>16417308
sounds like you're wasting your life away honestly, just like me :(

>>16417328
Dunno, it's too fun to be a waste. What do ya do?

>>16417282
>For now.
Holy shit the absolute state of you.

>>16416889
Imagine cursing the child brought into that kind of environment in the first place, as if it was his fault.

>>16417319
Why don't Anglos capitalize Nouns?

>>16417319
>sure you could say "Well, I don't care what such people think of me", but then why argue with them at all?
maybe I am more interested in actual discussions and don't care about minutias as capitalization

>>16417297
Kids don't care about the intricacies of the lives of the middle-aged. You may think things should work differently (I don't even disagree with you), but they don't.

Even moreso than when I was a child (because zoomers have far more alternatives), a lot of childrens' first exposure to books is something that doesn't interest them at all and the idea of reading is tainted by that.

For someone talking about building empathy, you seem to lack it. I say it because I'm empathising with the average teen or pre-teen.
Your POV is why not reading is almost seen as a virtue in some sectors.

>>16417352
That's almost pure functionality. You can switch it up if you're being intentionally stylistic ("We the People"), but otherwise it would indicate a greater significance that you might not mean. Turning "Let's go back to the house!" into "Let's go back to the House!" potentially turns a boyish exclamation into a political matter, for example.

>>16417258
Imagine thinking that "Cardi B" is the person she portrays herself as in music videos.

>>16417142
>makes more money
no she doesnt

>>16416058
>implying reading = thinking
Lol.
>implying she's encouraging people not to read
Didn't watch the video.
>>16416100
Wrong.
>>16416232
You really don't get people not liking reading?
>>16417032
Didn't watch the video.
>implying not liking reading = retard

>>16416058
reading takes more investment than watching TV or youtube.
and it's hard to find what genre, or rather, what writingstyle you enjoy to read.
There is a hurdle there that's too large for people with short attention spans who never read an entire chapter of a book in one go.

>>16417369
You did a good job of telling me why Young Adult novels appeal to children, but not why it's important they exist. Aside from learning to functionally read (which could be done with "Cat in the Hat" and "B is for Battery" primers), what's the point in reading if the texts are low-quality? It's fun to fantasize about being in a magic school, but the books are so simple to read and cast such a wide bet that the difference between reading them and watching the movies isn't a meaningful one. I feel like the "empathy towards teens and preteens" you're referring to is just empathizing with the feeling of "I should have fun and feel good all the time", which (while easy to empathize with) won't get anybody all the rewards and fun of reading something more challenging.

>>16417368
If that's the case, then you're risking your ethos but it's your prerogative. Doesn't seem worth it for the reward of "too lazy to do pointless things like that", but I'd you're fine with it then that's all that really matters.

>>16416248
Based

>>16417410
so, will you just focus on the topic at hand now instead?

why the actual fuck was this eceleb brought here? who gives a shit?

>>16417390
>implying she's encouraging people not to read
if you are someone people look up to you risk of exposing your impressionable audience to bad habits and give them talking points to parrot so they justify an unealthy lifestyle
live and let live all you want, but one should never be boastful of his shortcomings

>>16417420
I already have been discussing it with other anons. People can argue while giving advice. I guess I'm sorry if it was unwelcome.

>>16417375
Imagine projecting onto a dumb stripper or whatever her previous employment was.

>>16416398
Literature is an aristocratic pursuit, not for the masses

>>16417400
>You did a good job of telling me why Young Adult novels appeal to children, but not why it's important they exist.

I wasn't trying to. I was telling you why making kids read books they're not going to like (because it wasn't written for them, as a demographic) turns a lot of people away from reading.

> I feel like the "empathy towards teens and preteens" you're referring to is just empathizing with the feeling of "I should have fun and feel good all the time", which (while easy to empathize with) won't get anybody all the rewards and fun of reading something more challenging."

If you read a good amount - which I don't doubt you do - you're proving it hasn't done a whole lot for your ability to empathise. Reading is a method of consuming media. Yes, people do it predominately for "fun", you even acknowledge that that is the end goal.

Maybe the fun in reading for you is, and always has been, to seek out the most "challenging" book you can find (and I'll be honest, I don't even know what you mean here, is it philosophical complexity? linguistically confusing? length?) but this is a personal preference. Most people start with relatively simple books and branch out (even your Cat in the Hat example would be this).

For a long period, I thought reading any fiction was utterly pointless. As much as waste of time as binging 6 seasons of a TV show when you could use that time to learn something with practical applications. It would be borderline autistic of me to take my feelings towards fiction as a prescription for society because it doesn't acknowledge how people work.

>>16417461
What do you do?

Imagine not having the attention span to even listen to music.

>>16417506
I actually have an easier time reading a chapter in a book than sitting and listening to a 4 minute song. I don't know why.

maybe you could convince her to put on a diaper if she's that dumb

i like diapers :)

>>16417390
Yes actually. Not being able to enjoy literature in some way or form makes you a retard.

>>16417531
>>16417527
>>16417520
>>16417515
>>16416947
What the fuck?

>>16417538
don't you like diapers?

>>16417538
Hey don't reply to me, I might be into bestiality but I'm not into diaper stuff.

What's the origin of the Jaiden diaper meme?

>>16417572
I just had no idea Jaiden was sexaulized. Link for the dog stuff? I'm not into bestiality but dog illustrations are an exception

>>16417580
we're just spreading the love bro

>>16417491
sex

>>16417586
You can find most of it on rule34.xxx and exhentai, just search for jaiden.

>>16417596
So does Cardi B, apparently

>>16417297
Im not saying i do not understand the value of literature, of course i do now. Im saying that the way its currently taught to 15 year olds does not convey that value in a way thats interesting to them, causing many to drop it and never pick it up again.
The student's aim in doing reading assignments or essays or whatever is not to experience more worldviews, its an annoying task you need to finish to get a good grade.

>>16416058
The high school I teach at makes us give the students Hunger Games, Divergent, and Night by Elie Wiesel and that's it for the first semester. The kids love it, but idk. Doesn't really seem like anything of value is really going on. Except learning about the Halocaust I guess, but that's more history than literature.

>>16417487
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but the education system does not exist for the purpose of entertainment. Entertainment is only a secondary goal of much literature. The point is to teach children to understand and appreciate these parts of our heritage so that they can carry it with them wherever they go, build upon it, and pass it down to their children. Unfortunately, as you have demonstrated so well, most people believe that school is, or should be, a playpen and that literature should pander to their narrow conception of "fun." This is a mistake. Some people are meant to read literature. Others are not. Some people are meant to be engineers. Others are not. There is no point in trying to deceive children into thinking that what are in fact difficult and time-consuming intellectual tasks are "fun," because sooner or later, the reality will hit them, and the consequences may be disastrous.
>For a long period, I thought reading any fiction was utterly pointless. As much as waste of time as binging 6 seasons of a TV show when you could use that time to learn something with practical applications. It would be borderline autistic of me to take my feelings towards fiction as a prescription for society because it doesn't acknowledge how people work.
Has it ever occurred to you that you might simply have been naive? This kind of naive utilitarianism is common in our culture, so it's not quite your fault, but I don't think you can, or should, blame the school system for your own intellectual failings.

>>16417487
I guess I just don't understand what you're saying (lack of empathy strikes again, I suppose); it seems like on one hand you're saying it's pointless to teach literature because students won't appreciate it, but on the other I feel you're implying that teaching them YA would just be giving them hedonistic pleasure. Shouldn't that be for their free time? Why is it necessary to teach Harry Potter rather than nothing at all?

>>16416058
I love reading but fuck I hated high school reading every fucking book was about oppression and child rape for some reason. I'm black and even I got really tired of the constant repetition.
>Ok I get it my people got raped and humiliated can we move on?

>>16417667
you should really assign books for extra credit or something because that is fucking tragic

>>16417705
I have a list of about five books (chosen by me) that are extra credit options, but most students who would appreciate them don't need the points. I'm on my second year of teaching and only two students took the offer.

>>16417433
When was she being boastful? How is not liking reading a shortcoming? It's not her fault that she does not like something.
>>16417536
How?

>>16417667
>YA schlock and jewish whining
Yeah that's american high schools in a nutshell

>>16417816
>When was she being boastful?
The whole video is excusing her for a very bad trait and she shows no intention of improving
>How is not liking reading a shortcoming?
Lacking attention span and utterly refuting to engage at all with a whole media is a major shortcoming
>It's not her fault that she does not like something.
"It's not my fault I am obese. It's cool that you have a healthy lifestyle but it's just not for me. Just personal preference"

>>16416058
Reading lets someone else do most of the thinking for you, discouraging people from reading is encouraging them to think for themselves

>>16417816
It isn't a matter of liking things because it's pretty obvious she can't handle anything that doesn't stimulate her and makes her use her brain. If she liked music but didn't like reading fine I guess but if you can only consume YouTube or twitch thats not normal.

>>16417945
>If she liked music but not reading fine
What? Music is just as passive as YouTube or Twitch. Unless you're listening to some complex classical or something experimental.

>>16416058
Just watched the video and she’s just low IQ desu.
She considers animal farm to be a complex wordy book and she had to use a guide to understand what was going on. She can’t even listen to music so she just plays video games and watches twitch streams all day. But of course it’s the fault of her parents and the school system it’s not her fault at all.

>>16417995
>Animal Farm
>Wordy and Hard
I've literally played video games that were harder to understand. It's literally a parable for students.

>>16417849
>excusing her for a very bad trait
>she shows no intention of improving
"not reading" is not a behavior or a habit. Neither of those things constitutes boasting. I don't know why you would assume that reading would be an improvement for her. What would it do for her if she is already satisfied and fulfilling her purpose? I also don't agree that the whole video is her excusing her not reading. She is explaining herself but she is not saying that it is a great thing that she doesn't read, just that it is a neutral thing from a preference perhaps combined with negative association with reading.
>>16417945
>>16417995
Did you watch the video? She doesn't like music or audiobooks because it makes her feel lonely. That may not be normal, but that's not a shortcoming of her own fault, exactly.
She works while listening to YT/Twitch in the background. She doesn't just watch it all day.
>But of course it’s the fault of her parents and the school system
Do you think it is not partially their faults? The school system's job on this is at least not correlating with young people loving to read. Being addicted to fast-paced/easily digestible content since early childhood certainly has something to do with it, but whose fault is that?
>low IQ
What type of IQ/intelligence are you talking about? She performed well in school and in college and is performing well in her current career. She has not displayed signs of low intelligence from what I have seen of her.

>>16417034
Based. We need a lower population on this board.

>>16417703

Yeah, I got assigned Kite Runner too.

>>16416100
When all you read is Great Expectations and Gatsby I can see why.
Anyway, kids shouldn’t read outside school, they should be out making connections at social events to get good jobs and work their way into influence later in life.

>>16417375
>used to strip for money
>still strips for money
>used to be used as a cum dispenser
>still used as a cum dispenser
>used to get cheated on
>still gets cheated on

poor kid of hers will be raised by a single whore now that she is divorcing offset for being an unfaithful nigga.

>>16416248
I think primary school education should primarily focus on liberal arts (grammar/logic/rhetoric) with arithmetic added. I enjoyed school because I got to be in a private program that focused on the seven liberal arts.

>>16418240
Good God, man

>>16417034
Which is good, I think too many people post on /lit/. This would probably be fixed if /lit/ was split into two boards, one for actual literature and fiction and one for philosophy and political theory

>>16417506
Most people would not be able to focus on a musical piece longer than 10 minutes, and even that would be stretching it.

>>16417506
See >>16418240
>She doesn't like music or audiobooks because it makes her feel lonely
>>16418356
What?

>>16417087
German romanticism is good high school lit. When are you going to read and understand Werther, at 65?

>>16416947
baste

>>16416058
Is that green "school" monster derived from anti-semitic propoganda?

>>16416058
>dogfucker thread
Not /lit/ related.

>>16417995
>Animal Farm
>Complex and wordy
nigger that's the most head-on example of 'Marxism bad because figureheads of the revolution will be no better than the bourgeoisie'. Read that shit in 10th grade and it was a good read; had to hold back so I didn't go too ahead of the class and risk spoiling it

>>16417676
>Unfortunately, as you have demonstrated so well, most people believe that school is, or should be, a playpen and that literature should pander to their narrow conception of "fun."

Not at all, but fun is a part of it.
Apart from complexity, I'd argue that that's the main difference between schools and universities. School kids have to be convinced to learn by melding it with things they already enjoy so you have lessons revolving around certain strategies of creative engagements. As they mature, less external impetus is needed. This is why kindergartens revolve around colorful blocks and books with pages occupied by more pictures that words and in universities you are given dry lectures and a library full of reference books, the knowledge should be engaging enough.
There is a spectrum of stages between the two extremes.
Schools are meant to bring everyone to a base level of numeracy, literacy and whatever else society deems necessary. Part of that is being able to engage the "common child" at their level.
People posting on a literature-focused image board obviously don't need as much of an external impetus to read or learn.

>>16417697
If you're the poster I think you are, my personal view is simply that the texts assigned in schools will obviously not have a very wide appeal to most students and put them off reading wholesale. Surely, at the very least, a goal of a compulsory English Literature syllabus should be to ignite some enthusiasm for reading?

>>16418979
Thanks for the truism, moron

>watching youtube
>especially women
Why are you on /lit/?

>>16418240
>"not reading" is not a behavior or a habit. Neither of those things constitutes boasting.
Gonna be honest bro, she made an entire video on why she doesn't like reading. She's boasting about a negative trait and, ultimately, making the trait more acceptable to her audience and discouraging reading through it.

>>16417479
Go to the airport, pick up the nearest hardback novel, and tell me that again.

She sounds kinda nice, desu

Her mother is Japanese and her father is American; she has a younger brother named Jax. During her childhood, she enjoyed drawing and playing casual video games.

As she grew older, she began participating in competitive sports, such as tennis and karate; she also took music lessons, such as piano and violin, and learned the recorder through compulsory school lessons.

Jaiden is shy and tends to be nervous around people. She calls herself "awkward" and "anxious," although she has cited her YouTuber career as helping her get better at interactions. She talks about these traits in many of her videos, the most notable one being “Why I Don’t Have a Face Reveal," in which she talks about her problems with self-consciousness and body dysmorphia. In a more recent video titled "Anxiety is the Greatest! (jk it can go jump off a microwave)."

Jaiden talks about her struggles with anxiety and depression. She is quite kind and considerate and follows a vegan diet, which is most likely due to her concerns about how animals are treated on farms. She's also a goddess that can control the weather but she doesn't like people calling her a goddess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxFvKdObTmg

>>16420141
I've only been able to watch one of her videos and actually enjoy it, the rest is rather unbearable in the grand scheme of things. Her personality and sense of humor, to me, are simply unbearable. I suppose it's just not for me, but who is it for? People with no attention span who enjoy attaching identities like "muhnxiety" and whatnot?

>>16417995
THE VIDEO IS ABOUT FUCKING ANIMAL FARM? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? IVE IGNORED THESE THREADS FOR MONTHS AND ITS FUCKING ANIMAL FARM? JESUS CHRIST OUR CIVILIZATION IS GOING TO CRUMBLE. THESE CHILDREN ARE FUCKING STUPID. HOLY FUCK TELIVISION BROUGHT DEATH TO US ALL. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? ANIMAL FARM? THE EASIEST BOOK OF ALL TIME TO FUCKING READ AND HAVE A MORAL OUT OF IT? FUCKING.... FUCKING ANIMAL FARM? WHAT THE FUCK JADEN ANIMATIONS, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. ANTI INTELECTUALISM PERPETUATED BY CORPORATE GREED INSTILLED THROUGH TELIVISION WAS THE WORST MISTAKE OUR SOCIETY EVER MADE. FUCKING NUKE IT ALL. FUCKING...

GOD FUCKING


SEROUSLY FUCKING

ANIMAL FARM?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16420141
This is the kinda shit that's gonna make me a nazbol.

>>16417995
That poor girl.

>>16418286
What a bugman

>>16420184
>>16417995
Maybe she's dyslexic and undiagnosed? But she said she read some things

Either way very sad

>>16420178
I mean, I don't mean that she sounds nice in her videos. I only meant that, on paper, reading her biography, she sounds like a nice girl.

Although now that I've listened to 30 seconds of her video, it seems like standard le quirky sarcastic awkward girl personality. I closed the video after that, but I know that some people really like that personality

>>16416398
Most people should be illiterate.

>>16420248
All girls are like that now, you have to learn to tune it out like white noise

>>16420239
It seems like every single artistic person is dyslexic. The Sooobway guy is also dyslexic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV542dRK3uk

>>16420184
Wait, Animal Farm was actually lost on her? That's actually pathetic, fucking roasties...

>>16420178
What are attaching identities? I enjoy her videos because most of them are pretty funny.
>>16420248
You very quickly negatively stereotyped her. That is not her or anyone's personality.
>>16420208
Why?
>>16420272
You only have this one fact about her, one that was taken completely out of context or further explanation, that you somehow believe you can extrapolate out to her abilities in any other areas. I have known people who did not understand Animal Farm simply because they were not told that it had to do with Communism/the Russian Revolution (9th-10th graders), and that is where Jaiden falls. Also, why would you call her a "roastie," exactly?
>>16420239
How is it sad? She's doing fine right now.
>>16420184
The video is not just about Animal Farm. That was just one example, and it is not super unreasonable that she did not understand it.

>>16420381
Autistic

Is this Butterfly?

>>16420384
No.

>>16420388
Are you aware how insulting it is that someone might think you're Butterfly?

>>16420392
Perhaps by the fact that Butterfly is trying to be insufferable (by constantly being insulting and smug), but I don't think I was being that way.

>>16420381
Please tell me this isn't you here as well >>16418240

>>16420381
>You only have this one fact about her, one that was taken completely out of context or further explanation, that you somehow believe you can extrapolate out to her abilities in any other areas. I have known people who did not understand Animal Farm simply because they were not told that it had to do with Communism/the Russian Revolution (9th-10th graders), and that is where Jaiden falls. Also, why would you call her a "roastie," exactly?
It's not that hard to make the connection to the Russian revolution if you have any kind of a grasp on history. If she didn't know of the Russian revolution, then why did she give up literature over it? It wasn't a book she could've understood at all, so it's not her fault.
I call her a roastie because she's a generic chick who couldn't understand Animal Farm and had to cope by making an entire video on why she doesn't like reading because of it.

>>16420425
You don’t even have to understand the Russian revolution to understand the books message of corrupt authority. She’s just literally retarded.

>>16420381
>It is not super unreasonable that she didn't understand it.
It is.

>>16420444
She could always use SparkNotes to help her

>>16420425
>It's not that hard to make the connection to the Russian revolution if you have any kind of a grasp on history
Depending on the time you receive the book in highschool, it is easy to imagine someone who is not particularly interested in history beforehand never knowing about the Russian Revolution before they learn about it in a history class who then receives the book. This person would have no grasp of that part of history and they would have the book and it seems likely this approximates where she was in highschool.
>why did she give up literature over it?
She has not given up literature at all, and she did not stop liking reading just from this one book. It was one example of a book she had trouble understanding in highschool.
>it's not her fault
Exactly, but she did not go ballistic just from this one book.
>>16420440
She never said she did not understand the book's message altogether. We know nearly nothing about this context and it was mostly displayed as a joke, so it is not unreasonable that her lack of knowledge on it could be exagerated to an extent. She could have been looking to Cliffnotes for some help early on, and from there, she found out she was missing the whole allegory, so this surprised her and was left as a remarkable fact.
>>16420449
She did use Cliffnotes to help her.
>>16420444
Why? What do you have to say about what I wrote above?
>>16420407

>"Do thing."
>>"Okay."
Time passes
>>"I don't like thing."
>"Too bad. Keep going."
>>"I don't want to."
>"Keep going or you fail."
>>"...Fine. But my hate for thing has grown."
>"Don't care. We've got numbers to hit."
Repeat multiple times a year for nearly every person who has ever been in US public education.

You now know why so many people don't like reading, poetry, math, etc.

>>16419089
>School kids have to be convinced to learn
No. They are not customers. They are not there to receive a product. They are there to receive mandatory training. If they don't like it, that's too bad.
>This is why kindergartens revolve around colorful blocks and books with pages occupied by more pictures that words
That's because kindergartners often cannot read, certainly not at a high level. They are also usually about five or six, which means that their attention span is undeveloped.
>you are given dry lectures and a library full of reference books, the knowledge should be engaging enough.
It has nothing to do with engagement, and everything to do with innate ability. There is nothing intrinsically engaging about lectures and libraries full of reference books. Each individual must discover for themselves which lectures and which books they find interesting and focus on them. Being interesting, fun, and engaging are neither here nor there.
>Part of that is being able to engage the "common child" at their level.
Their level means the level at which they are capable of understanding the material, not contorting the material such that every child will find it "fun" and "interesting." No matter what you do, some things will seem uninteresting to some people. There is no point in trying to force a square peg into a round hole, so why not just let each child go in the direction they like?
>People posting on a literature-focused image board obviously don't need as much of an external impetus to read or learn.
Yeah, all we needed was the stuff we were taught in school, at home, or later on in life. Not everyone is interested. Not everyone is capable of taking an interest. If you've ever had to take a class in which the professor panders to the students in the manner you suggest, you should know that no amount of pandering can turn a biologist into a historian or a historian into a biologist. What you are suggesting is simply impossible.

>>16416080
Public school is absolute garbage but too many people blame all of their failures on it. They have a wealth of information online and at public libraries but they’ll never use them in their free time.

>>16417269
if u can understand what I'm saying that's clear enough, grammartard

>>16418979
wow watch out boys we got a fast reader on our hands

>>16420535
basically this

>so the pigs were the good guys?

>>16421337
There's no reason to think Jaiden would have thought that, and since she read the Cliffnotes, unless she had some odd politics back then, she would know that was not the case.

>the horse was the good guys the whole time?

>>16417063
fuck off faggot

>>16420481
>>16420761
I'm fucking praying that you're just a girl who identifies with her and not a male sycophant.

>so the farm was the good guy all along?

>so animals could talk this whole time?

>>16421398
The second guy isn't defending Jaiden from what I can tell, and that is not me. I'm the first guy.
I'm a male, but I don't love Jaiden or her content. I just don't like the baseless unfair insults used in this thread.

>>16421398
My point is that retards will always be retards and there is nothing that anyone can do for them. Just let them be retards. It's okay for some people to be stupid.

>the donkey is so upset! I don’t like grumpy gus, cheer up little donkey! >:3

>>16416058
YouTubers are not babysitters, raise your kids more responsibly.

>>16416058
I told myself that I shouldn't judge her without watching the video. After watching what little I could force myself through, I realized that she just doesn't like to think while reading.

>>16416058
I've never seen this before, but I find this illustrated girl character attractive. Cute

>>16421761
What made you come to that conclusion?

>>16418379
I remember when me and all my idiot punk friends in high school knew The Decline off by heart, which is 18 minutes long

>>16421435
>I'm a male, but I don't love Jaiden or her content. I just don't like the baseless unfair insults used in this thread
Fuck off then?

>>16417390
>Wrong.
>60 seconds in
>"I think I've got some weird reading PTSD from school"
kill yourself

What a worthless inconsequential thing to get excited over, come the fuck on /lit/.

>>16421489
I'm the same anon who posted this. I have now watched the video and read a few of the comments and would like to retract my original opinion, Jaiden is probably a bad influence on her tiny toddler audience.

>>16416143
>>16416123
>I spend all day spamming poorly drawn unoriginal reaction images
>I also want to police culture
GTFO

>>16422678
How so?
>tiny toddler audience
What are you talking about?
>>16422642
What you said is still a massive over-simplification. I guess I should have said "mostly wrong," though.
>>16422605
I would prefer to give people the truth on the matter. I like defending people when baseless or unfair insults are thrown at them.

>>16422703
go back to watching YA vids on yt

>>16422746
her audience, based solely on reading through the comments, give the impression that they are extremely young and impressionable. A few seem to suggest they're still in grade school. Many share her sentiment that reading is horrible and that school made them hate it. I worry that she's (accidentally) giving a lot of kids permission to give up on self improvement but maybe I'm pearl clutching.

>snowball was cute, why did they bully him?

The only thing I know about this e-celeb is the BBW porn.

>>16422803
Trotsky did nothing wrong

>>16416143
holy shit, the absolute state of retardation in this board

>>16417189
This type of guesstimating has become a lot mote prevalent. People just skim headlines and base all their arguments on that.

>>16417189
I try not to be the kind of person who cringes in real life, with my actual face, but when I see people do things like that I can't help it. The same thing used to happen way back in high school when I had to sit through schoolmates reading text out loud like robots because every syllable was a struggle.

>>16418286
Gatsby is based.

>>16420141

Anyone else thinks it hot when women are lame and stupid?

Makes me feel even more in control

>>16423346
No, you're a pathetic midwit who needs to compare yourself to females to feel better.

>>16423356
Same. Wait, I mean fuck that guy.

All this means is that she has nothing relevant about anything and can be completely ignored. Also sounds like a loser in general.

>>16416208
Not him, but this is evidently a 16+ board.

>>16423576
I'd say 13+

>>16416058

I fucking hate this person. I fucking hate every aspect of her existence. It's not just her dumb lisp. You might think it's just her dumb lisp, but no, it's not that. It's her entire shitty existence. She thinks it's cute that she's dumb. "Hi, I'm a retard, it's cute." No, it's not cute. It's not funny. She needs to die in a fire. Like literally, a fire needs to consume her and burn her into ash so that no one ever hears her lisp again. She is every midwit ever who thinks it's hilarious that she's a midwit, and isn't it ironic that she doesn't read, maybe she does read and she's just pretending because she's oh-so-very-smart and it's just a pose, but no, she really doesn't, the pose that it's ironic is what's the pose, she's a die-in-a-fire piece of shit with crappy animated videos making money off telling people to be stupid like she is and she literally needs to die in a fire, not figuratively, but literally.

>>16423949
She doesn't have a lisp. I think she has an undiagnosed learning disorder. She would literally stare blankly at a page for 30 minutes, not reading, rather than just read for 30 minutes

Kingsley Amis used to write about how he didn’t like reading

Anyone else get the "read what you want" treatment in school? I picked the shittiest garbage until and hated reading I realized in my last year of school that not all books were like that.

>>16417142
>>16417188
>>16417221
>>16417237

Thanks to the system and capitalism a lot of very untalented and unintelligent people are very wealthy.

Money is a superficial endeavor and makes for shallow reasoning.

Why are people here so angry?

>>16424526

>>16424552

Because this community draws in people who like being angry at people they think are dumber than them.

>>16416151
Really wtf is up with that, doesn't make the slightest of sense. She can't listen to it because she feels isolated? Wtf does that even mean, if anything, music (like literature) would fill your void and will help you to make you feel a little less empty than you are. I really didn't get that part.

>>16424572
You sound exactly like the type of person you're describing.

>>16417703
>Kids taking turns to read 1 paragraph out loud during a class read
>That one kid who took the opportunity to say "nigger"

>>16416143
No the death of literature is the internet

>>16420248
She's just a regular youtuber that talks about her experiences and likes with the added quirk of her videos being animated instead of just talking at a camera. One thing I remember is she came out as a recovering bulimic a while back.

>>16417703
>be me
>take a U.S History class
>it's all just about the Antebellum period up to MLK's death
>taught by a member of the NOI
>they have us watch stuff like Roots (the TV show), 12 Years A Slave, some documentary on Thomas Jefferson's black concubine and American History X
>try to correct him on anything and he gets pissed
>accused me at one point of having a Eurocentric point of view
>I spent 3rd to 7th grade in Uganda and 8th grade back here in a private school learning about Muslim history
>mfw
>>16424687
alongside being the kid who would voice the black grannies with Southern accents, I was that kid. thanks for the memories

>>16417352
Why do Germans capitalize theirs?

And why do some people capitalize each word in sentences?

>>16423293
Can you provide any examples of this happening? Presumably some people in the chat would call her out for that and she would have made at least one statement possibly to explain that behavior.
>>16423565
What are you talking about? How did you come to that conclusion?
>>16423949
She does not have a lisp currently. She's not telling anyone to be stupid in any way.
>>16424053
Did you watch the entire video? She was a sort of avid reader as a child and only turned to doing that due to her new hatred of reading.
>>16424552
Are you talking about in this thread? I don't think most people here are very angry in response to most threads or bait threads, definitely not very much in this thread. I don't believe people like >>16423949 are being serious at all.
>>16424603
See >>16418240
>She doesn't like music or audiobooks because it makes her feel lonely. That may not be normal, but that's not a shortcoming of her own fault, exactly.
>>16424603
She does say that both she has never been into music very much and that it makes her uncomfortable. It could be that her explanation is incomplete or incorrect or that it is correct and possibly there are some deeper psychological reasons for it. It does make sense that music has less of a feeling of connection to the outside than Twitch/YT does. She also implied the music she listened to was that lofi hiphop stuff, so perhaps that music or whatever music she may actually listen to is just not suited for her when she is doing an isolated activity.

>>16420761
I think you've drifted far from my original point but I'd feel rude not replying.
You think no effort should be made to engage children in learning, because children who don't want to learn will never want to learn and those who do will, regardless?
I think that thinking is flawed. Noone would need to be actively taught anything because they'd either have the motivation to learn themselves or they wouldn't need to learn it?
If you're right, it would definitely save a lot of money. I don't think many people would agree with you though. Certainly doesn't match my experience.
I won't call you naive, because presumably it matches yours.

>>16424606
You sound exactly like the type of person you're describing.

>>16422788
I guess perhaps that could be the case. I don't know how old her audience is, roughly, maybe around highschool aged. It is definitely not a "tiny toddler audience," but some younger people are in there (like in every channel that is reasonably family-friendly), and those people could see this video in that way.
It must first be noted that the effect this video might have would likely be neglibigle if it is excusing people to not pursue reading. I am not even seeing examples of that happening in the comments. I doubt this is the last straw for anyone who was against reading before watching the video.
In her defense: she does say that there are good things about reading, so she would have her future children read, but not that it is essential. She just implies for herself that it is roughly neutral that she does not read. She implies that her friends that read merely have a "nice hobby." I believe she does not see reading as a self-improvement activity and does not seem to have a reason to see it that way when she is only considering readers to read only or mostly fiction and/or only or mostly to read for entertainment.
Personally, I am not convinced that reading is an essential self-improvement activity like exercising or having a good diet. It has some well-known benefits, but that is obviously not enough to make it essential. I don't know what excusing people who do not like reading to pursue it does exactly, besides not having some small benefits.

>>16425591
brainlet

>>16424555
Is this irony? Money won't help you either once you die. By that logic, only a virtuous life can be considered an objectively best life.

>>16425669
I think you.

>>16425557
I think I've failed to make myself clear.
1. School is not about what children want. What they want does not matter. They are to do as they are told to the best of their ability.
2. The purpose of school is not to give everyone the motivation to learn. It is not to ignite children with a passion for learning. It is to produce workers and provide the intelligent few with a basis upon which to build in university. The bright few will find what interests them in the course of their schooling, either through their own effort or with the help of their teachers.
3. Those who do not find the material intrinsically interesting will not find it interesting no matter what you do. You cannot take someone who intends to study history and turn him into a budding mathematician. There is similarly no point in attempting to turn a cashier into a poet. It is a waste of time and effort.
>You think no effort should be made to engage children in learning
I never said that. What I did say is that some children like literature, and some do not. Giving them The Hunger Games to read will not make them like literature. It will, at best, turn them into readers of kitsch. That is not the purpose of English class, and that is not the purpose of the university English department.
>Noone would need to be actively taught anything because they'd either have the motivation to learn themselves or they wouldn't need to learn it?
This is so far from anything that I have said that I am tempted to insult you. Schooling is there to provide the average with a base level of knowledge and skills and the gifted with a wide range of potential areas of specialization from which to choose. The point is to show the student what these areas of human activity look like on a very simple level and then leave it to them to choose. Once they have been provided with the basic tools, no one has the power to make that choice for them. They must do it themselves.
>If you're right, it would definitely save a lot of money. I don't think many people would agree with you though. Certainly doesn't match my experience. I won't call you naive, because presumably it matches yours.
I think you should reread my posts.

>>16420141
>>Her mother is Japanese and her father is American;
yeah so her dad is spineless cuck and she inherits this

>>16420141
>>Jaiden talks about her struggles with anxiety and depression.
why grils pretend to hve a harsh life, whereas everything is given to them and they suffer from no danger, no risk no and have no effort to make in life in order to get a comfy one.

>>16425916
>Do you think I'm pretty, anon? I keep comparing myself to scandanavian models ;^(

>>16420141
>>Jaiden talks about her struggles with anxiety and depression.

>>16425936
Based nigress is out here living her best life shitting on the haters

>>16424603
It is a resistance to feel. I have it too, I am slowly healing myself by forcing music and books on myself.

Grow up lonely you don’t want anything to separate you further and choices about spending time can, in a psychotic way, convince you that it will add further separation and not connection by learning, and feeing more than others.

More than even yourself.

>>16425936
Fucking kek, (you)
She's based. Will to power.

>>16425936
Based pitbull owner

>>16425669
How?

>>16425951
There's nothing based about bearing a child with serious birth defects as an act of defiance. It's pathetic. Life is hard enough without your parent(s) knowingly setting you up for failure. To then stick it to the people that recommended you not have children with some cringey tiktok dance and say you 'proved them wrong' is unadulterated selfishness... and actually pure vanity since this shitty video must have gone out to her seal-clapping retarded audience, none of whom I suspect ever once suggested she not have children.
Cringe and retardpilled.
Thank fuck I'm not her kid, poor thing.

>>16425936
have seen few things more american than this video

>>16426042
Hateralert

>>16420535
I think the main issue with schools is that they only teach the "what", but not the "why" of things. The meme, "the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell" perfectly exemplifies what I mean. You're just taught facts, but you feel they're pointless, because you're not told why, or how they fit into the larger picture of your education.

This is especially important in maths, where everything is tied together, and there are many "unexpected" (more accurately, "not immediately apparent") connections between many fields. Teachers don't show you the beauty and practical applications of maths, they just expect you to act like a computer, and go through calculations unquestioningly.

In the worst case, they even punish you if you try to be creative, and require you to follow *their* method, and take points away if you use a different method that is just as valid and correct. If some random person on Youtube has more passion and skill in explaining maths than you do as a teacher that's paid by taxpayer money, then you probably should consider a long walk off a short pier.

Same goes with literature. A good teacher should explain you the historical context the author lived in, and what you should expect when reading them. They should prime you to understand things, instead of vomiting facts all over you with no rhyme or reason, or giving you shit marks because your interpretation doesn't match theirs, word by word.

There is a reason for which you're studying those authors. Surely, whoever wrote the syllabus had a good reason, better than "because I say so", or "because these are the classics", for including those books. So tell me "what I am in for", tell me what I'm supposed to take away from this book.
>inb4 spoonfeeding is bad
Guess what, retard, school IS spoonfeeding. You have to learn the basics somewhere. If you never teach kids how to read a book, they'll never figure it out on their own either, unless they're gifted for literature. And besides, books written decades/centuries ago were in a completely different context than ours, which, as I said, needs to be explained. Of course, don't just force an interpretation on them, but teach them how to interpret things. Hold their hand, and gradually let go as they figure it out by themselves.

If you can't find the meaning in what you're doing, you're no different than Sisyphus, pushing a boulder uphill for the sake of doing so. You will see the learning process as a chore, as just ticking boxes, and you will completely miss out on the underlying purpose and structure.

>>16416947
sauce?

>>16417586
>I'm not into bestiality but dog illustrations are an exception

>>16420261
Based & elitepilled

>>16426972
Man is a complex being

>>16417017
>Death of a Salesman
That’s one of the ones I actually liked in school. The worst one I had to read in school was the Great Gatsby. Thought it was boring and still haven’t reread it.

>>16421265
This. School fails at its job in many cases and fails to help countless kids. But it's never holding you down and preventing you from learning or developing healthy habits/lifestyles.

>>16427019
public schools are currently set up so students who enjoy learning are going to have a harder time than necessary & the arrangement is at great pains to denigrate such a person. and it happens everywhere, in varying degrees.

>>16427051
You're an actual brainlet if you think School is about learning anyways. School system after the industrial age has always been wageslave training.

>>16427132
always thought it was to get the children out of the parents hair

>>16426849
>If you can't find the meaning in what you're doing, you're no different than Sisyphus, pushing a boulder uphill for the sake of doing so.
And that's a good thing.

>>16417352
We capitalize proper nouns. It makes no sense to capitalize common nouns.

I don't blame them schools made reading a chore
Imagine if you had to watch a tv show an episode a day and had to pause it every half minute to put down some notes

>>16418286
this but instead it was all sorts of blm supporitng type books for english

>>16416947
I'm ashamed to say I have as well
Less shame than actual bestiality which is honestly looking back just plain nasty and hardly arousing since their animals that are made to cum quick to reproduce

>>16425431
Due to the fact that she doesn't read, that means any opinion she has will be inherently uninformed, meaning any opinion she has is instantly irrelevant. Add in that she basically states in the video she has no higher ambition beyond short term pleasues means she doesn't see herself as a person of worth, which tells me to not concern myself with her.

>>16416058
I’ve seen too much porn of this woman’s character to take anything she says seriously. Other anons mentioned all the bestiality but my personal cup of tea is the hypnosis and time-stop material that artists have made. So yeah I see the thumbnail that OP posted and all I can think about is “wtf where are her fat tits and thick thighs? I can’t jerk it to this”

>>16428169
whats the appeal of r34 of this chick?

>>16425916
Anxiety is a mental problem where you're chronically over engaging in fight or flight in response to relatively benign stimuli. Her suffering from no danger is literally irrelevant to whether her broken brain perceives danger (if, of course, she isn't making it all up for attention).

>>16428183
Maybe it's because she's half Asian, so there's a bit of familiarity but also a bit of exoticism

>>16428183
I’m rather omnivorous when it comes to pornography, so for myself there isn’t anything specific about her porn that can’t be satisfied by something else (hell I’ve never even seen any of her videos). I imagine that for those that are making the porn themselves they’re more attached to her as a person and so that helps facilitate the porn. Now why they then draw her getting fucked by dogs/horses/time rapists/tentacle monsters is anyone’s guess