/lit/ - Literature

>>16400615
redemption through art

>>16400615
>not enjoying eating, shitting and fucking

>>16400624
It's not that it's unenjoyable, it's that its repetitive and neverending.

>>16400623
How does making art alleviate the need to eat and shit (sex isn't an individual need)?

>>16400615
Cope. Plenty of people live interesting lives. They are not all so mundane. Even my boring ass has had periods where life became a rollercoaster. Just because you have to shit every day doesn't mean life is nothing but monotony.

>>16400632
read schopenhauer

>I have been fed decades of constant advertisements about how perfect life SHOULD be and ended up being convinced of what I was taught
>My expectations of existence have deviated from the reality of existence
>Now, I need to enjoy everything I experience or I become dissatisfied and depressed

>>16400615
The desire for escape into some type of transcendence is just as human as shitting or fucking. Boredom and novelty seeking was wired into us by evolution. It's pointless to live but pointless to die as well. Having a point is another anthropic concept like the rest

>>16400641
BRO READ BUDDHA AND ACT LIKE YOU ENJOY YOUR SHITTY EXISTENCE. I'M ENLIGHTENED I SWEAR

>>16400632
don't be a brainded consoomer. make something, anything, be it a table or a poem. activity is what you need. passive consumption rots the brain

drinking coffee and having a high fiber diet means that you get to slide out massive dumps with no strain whatsoever. it's a pretty sublime pleasure and i wouldn't pass it up for a chance at being some kind of ethereal creature or whatever you're imagining is the alternative

>>16400648
I HAVE TO ENJOY EVERYTHING I EXPERIENCE OR ELSE I HAVE NO REASON TO LIVE!!!

>>16400693
BEING ALIVE IS INHERENTLY GOOD

>>16400615
I shid and ead and fard and fug and cum

>>16400777
holy, based!

>>16400630
It's not like brushing your teeth. Besides, you don't HAVE to do any of them. In the words of a eminently wise prisoner I once heard discourse on the matter of human responsibility: you ain't gots to do shit 'cept live and die, mothafucka

>>16400747
INHERENT GOODNESS REQUIRES CONSTANT PLEASURE

>implying I shit

You really don't know..?

>>16400812
GOODNESS EXISTS

>>16400615
If you took my life right now though and just removed financial obligations I would be content until I die.

Pleasure isn't even real, or there'd be an infinite stack of Matryoshka dopamine junkie homunculi.

>>16400839
GOODNESS DOESN'T EXIST BUT IT'S GOOD FOR ME TO POST THIS

>>16400847
Those obligations never go away. Peop lose fortunes. Automation is the only hope
>pic related

>>16400898
THINKING IM POSTING BECAUSE I WANT TO AND NOT BECAUSE I'M HOPELESS AND LOST

>>16400615
>Is there any way out of this nightmare that doesn't involve a shotgun to the mouth?
yeah, every other kind of death. "This nightmare" doesn't end any other way. Even if you start enjoying it, that's still the only way it ends.
UNLESS you take the lead on some kind of dark sorcery, or they make some kind of transhumanist breakthrough in your lifetime. Both are long shots, but cease to be options if you are cut out early.

>>16400636
>They are not all so mundane.
Yet literally all of them have taken place within Earth's orbit. All lives in human history have explicitly been mundane.

>>16400928
REEE I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO THEREFORE CARS AREN'T GOOD

>>16400992
DARKNESS IMPRISONING ME

>>16400992
IMPLYING THERE ISN'T CONSTANT UNDERLYING SUFFERING CAUSED BY ENTROPY AND DECAY AND SIMPLE MATERIAL PLEASURES MAKE UP FOR THIS

>>16400961
we live in the most unprecedented era of all time
nowhene else has a generation had to think if they will even die in the first place
we live in an era where immortality/AI/VR is a non-trivial possibility

imagine being one of the last people to ever die because you were too retarded to not commit an irreversible exit just because you weren't feeling like a hero from a hollywood movie

This is why I wish I was dead.

>>16401030
Why would I want to live a mundane shitty forever

>>16401043
>wish for something impossible
>can't fulfill it
>wish for something possible with some rope
>choose to not fulfill it

just fucking kys already instead of whining about how much you want to kys

>>16401052
>want to live exciting fulfilling life
>want to die

>>16401029
MOMMY BABY WANT MILKY

>>16401080
JUST MAN UP PUSSY IGNORE REALITY AND ACT LIKE LIFE IS GREAT

>>16400615
>Every day a repeat of the last.
Your fault.

>>16401086
BRO, WHY AREN'T YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF REALITY NOT IGNORING REALITY

>>16401090
Fundamentally everyday is the same. The only thing that changes is the aesthetics

>>16401100
Bro Im tired of doing this. What is your fucking point.

I dont think it's possible to satisfy the yearning for pleasure. It seems that our emotional constitution is such that experiencing contrast is the only way to achieve intense satisfaction at any time. Prolonging any state of satisfaction for even short lengths of time creates only a mild contentment. Goethe warned us that nothing is harder to bear than a succession of fair days.

>>16401103
These are some very interesting loops to hop through in order to want to kill yourself.

>>16401108
my point is simple:
I want you to fucking kill yourself.

>>16400624

Based. There's some old fuck out there with a colostomy bag and erectile disfunction rolling his eyes at your complaining whilst eating a thanksgiving dinner through a straw.

>>16401086
>JUST MAN UP PUSSY IGNORE REALITY AND ACT LIKE LIFE IS GREAT
don't make me say it

>>16401128
Based, I needed that

>>16400615
Read Plotinus. Read the Hermetica. Fuck the nihilists and get ripped. By virtue of consuming the apple of knowledge man has been doomed to live in a material, horizontal existence by virtue of simply becoming aware of it. By being meat creatures we are bound to live as meat. But the beauty of possessing a human soul is the facet of attaining some meaning by extension of mastery of the self. Asceticism, the study of man's history and philosophy, the creation of art. These are the ways by which man may go beyond merely existing as flesh and become transcendent.
And if you would go even further beyond, learn the ways of prayer and meditation, and feel the merest glance of something infinite brush against the thin veneer of you consciousness. The way out of life's inherent repetitiveness is by self-imposed study into this and more. The physical world is not evil, but by virtue of being physical is inherently flawed.
As such, we all sit at the threshold of animal and human. Even living as righteous men we must eat, but there is a difference between eating to live and living to eat. Even living as righteous men we have the call of the flesh. But there is a difference between fucking for pleasure or fucking as an expression for love.
You'll only be as human as you not only choose to be, but purely work towards being.

>>16400615
>and fuck like the rest of us
speak for yourself

>this faggot derives pleasure from the material:finite

there are infinitly more thing to expierence other than pleasure
there are an endless multitude of plateuas you can reach within and above.

Quit being such a status fucker.

>>16401240
Good post, Ill check them out. Any youtube videos i can listen to as I try to sleep?

>>16400615
Read Freud and Kierkegaard

>>16401240
holy based

>>16401256
Thanks. To my knowledge avoid the stoics. It only gets things half right. Same with the Gnostics. Make sure to work through everything with a discerning hand. I'm sorry in that I don't really have many videos as occult youtube is garbage, but I can recommend getting the actual Hermetica (all 4 volumes, the Scott translation. Basic bitch paperbacks will run you around $100. The Enneads and a good Bible (King James, starting out at least) are also a must. Avoid the Kybalion, it's a bunch of new-age schlock.) and Meditations on the Tarot. For actual Hermetic philosophy you'll have to read through both very often, but Meditations on the Tarot and A Suggestive Inquiry into The Hermetic Mystery are great (albeit opaque) sources on digging further into the tradition. You'll have to work backwards from there and meet in the middle with the Neoplatonist traditions. Write and keep notes, it'll help.
As for actual practice, develop a workout routine and a generally ok diet. Alternate between weights/calisthenics and cardio. Try for a mile every other day (resting on Sundays) starting out. Perform meditative prayer (as very well outlined in Mediations on the Tarot) after you bathe post-workout. The exhaustion will help contribute to you getting the most out of it. So workout videos would be the closest I can think of. Research resistance bands workout. They're really good for being safer than weights in many respects.
Oh, and it helps to alternate on a schedule of art days/writing days that coincide with study and prayer. Y'know, weights, art, prayer one day, then running, writing, study the next, in alternation with two days off (one of your choice, the other one being Sunday) throughout the week.

>>16400922
it's so goddamn annoying how the angle of the screen does not match the angle of his field of vision

>>16400615
>fuck like the rest of us
False

>>16400615
>be the most powerful gopnik on the planet
>have most fancy dinner with kaviar and lobster
>hot chocolate afterwards
>shit on a golden thone
>get a hot bath while babushka irons fresh bed sheets
>go to bed with hot gopneetchka
>she takes care that no cummies ruin the fresh bed sheets
>fall to sleep like Zeus in heaven
yeah, money doesn't change much

>>16402156
>shit on a golden thone
Is this a euphemism for an Arabian woman's chest?

>>16402180
No.

>>16400630
but the hunger is never ending as well. I'm grateful for every meal and every fuck and I don't want it to stop

>>16402844
Wish I could, I struggle to even make meals

>>16401240
based. Was Plotinus a precursor to the Gigachad?

>>16402884
I don't know what to tell you but maybe try noting and paying attention to what you are experiencing in the present without judgment (just let the thoughts occur without grasping them or pushing them away) and take it from there

For example look at the cracks on the wall, the texture of the oatmeal, that sort of thing

i don't need to fuck. i have never had the urge to masturbate or watch porn. sometimes i just wake up in the morning feeling my dick pump. i then shoot semen out while peeing. one less human limitation. my children will mark the beginning of a new species: "no-homo sapiens".

>>16400615
one must imagine sisyphus happy

>>16403858
note: i cum and pee in the toilet, not directly after waking up. this might be unclear in the original post.

>>16403867
>>16403858
Never before have I heard such poetry

>>16400615
Who cares? Why would eating, shitting, and fucking (all greatly pleasurable under the right conditions) contradict your being the most powerful being on the planet?

>>16403906
Idk, I'm pessimistic about the whole thing.

Pic related.
Anyone read this? I just finished it and am confused on one point, bateman towards the end professes how he sees the world basically as a meaningless jagged crater.
He only wants to make others feel his pain.
So why is he so obsessed with being bested by others materials like business or credit cards etc. if the world is meaningless to him?

>>16401318
not trying to be abrasive, but i feel that the focus on the physical body and exercise is shoehorned in here and doesn't really follow the philosophy

>>16404226
>So why is he so obsessed with being bested by others materials like business or credit cards etc. if the world is meaningless to him?
Because thats the only way he can be accepted.

>>16404334
Good point, I remember about halfway he says he could quit his job but doesn't want to because it helps him feel normal.
But I dont know if that answers it completely.
It shows he cares about fitting in but he becomes so irrate when someone has a better card or better connections to a restaurant etc.
Surely someone that just wants to fit in wouldnt be so deeply shook to their core by these.

Life may be pointless, but death even more so. Its pretty fucking amazing that billions of atoms come together to create/uphold individuals. Enjoy the ride while it lasts, for life lasts only an instant compared to the infinity of nothingness.

>>16402892
Kind've? I have no doubt a Hermes Trismestigus existed, despite all of the bizarre stuff that normally orbits writing under a false name for prestige. To draw out the 'roots' of the Hermetic philosophical tradition, it'd have to start when the Pythagorean schools were running parallel to all the Egyptian mystery-cult stuff. Then Plato, then the Neo-Platonists running in parallel to whatever vestigial Ptolemaic-era schools were still active until they combine into what could be called in the Hermetica, the Asclepius, and everything else that alchemists and occultists in Wester/Central Renaissanceish-Era Europe liked studying. Piecing everything together is like an initiation rite in itself.

>>16404260
It's more what's worked for me, and is my largest body of reference in relation to implementing some of it's ideas in my day to day life. The Hermetic practice is pretty obvious on the development of personal talents, which I feel extends very well into physical development as well.
But, that doesn't mean you have to follow it as well. You can study the philosophy and just cultivate self-discipline through that, from what I've seen.
I hope it's helpful nonetheless, anon.