/lit/ - Literature

>>16392632
>Burgerland
>Faulkner, Melville, and Fitzgerald

>>16392632
Canada
Leonard Cohen
Michael Ondaatje
Alice Munro

>>16392632
That's not how you write "Shakespeare, Milton, Chaucer".

>>16392632
USA
Melville
Steinbeck
Fitzgerald

>>16392632
Brazil

Machado de Assis
Guimarães Rosa
Carlos Drummond de Andrade

Zadie Smith, J.K. Rowling, Will Self

>>16392650
>>16392638
>melville
>fitzgerald
With only 1 good novels?

>America
Faulkner
McCarthy
Whitman

>>16392659
>what are short stories

>>16392659
Yes. One's all you need, really.

>>16392632
Rulfo, Paz, Fuentes

Poland.

I could name the 3 best writers but they are only known here, so what's the point

>>16392669
I am Brazilian, and I'd say Milosz, Herbert, Lem, Zagajewski, Szymborska, Sienkiewicz and Gombrowicz are known worldwide. At least known by people who care about literature.
I have a family member named after a Sienkiewicz character, by the way.

>>16392641
Unironically who

>>16392693
Leonard Cohen - Fantastic poet/songwriter who actually brought post-modern fiction to Canada with his novel Beautiful Losers

Michael Ondaatje - Fantastic novelist, probably his best known novel is The English Patient. Also an amazing poet.

Alice Munro - Literally the best short story writer ever since Chekov or Hemingway. Seriously. Check her out.

>>16392690
You probably have Polish roots, many South Brazilians do. Id say that Sienkiewicz is the best Polish writer. The reason its not known worldwide is because its very insular and self-referencing, a lot of it focuses on the national struggles to. So it might be captivating to a person from this nation but not at all to a person from a different nation its not interesting at all, and thats to be expected. Im not angry at this.

>>16392641
Northrop Frye should get a place

>>16392733
I don't. My family is mostly Italian-Brazilian.

Sienkiewicz, Milosz and Szymborska have won the Nobel Prize. So did Tokarczuk (though she seems to have been a political choice).
Herbert should have won it too.
In comparison, no Brazilian has ever won it (although a few should have).

But I agree that those authors aren't very well-known, unfortunately. If it helps, they are definitely known among the people who matter.

>>16392752
I mean, amazing literary critic. Probably top 3 best literary critics of all time. But I assumed this thread was for creative writers more so than academic

Germany. Can't pick just three, sorry lads.

>>16392765
>Probably top 3 best literary critics of all time

Delusional Anglos.

>>16392822
>Clearly has never read Northrop Frye

>>16392641
Leafs checking in

Argentina.
Borges, Cortázar, Sabato.

>>16392830
Aristotle, Horace, Longinus, Dante, Pope, Vico, Coleridge, Goethe, Poe, Baudelaire, Mallarme, Ezra Pound, Octavio Paz etc.

>>16392714
Davies, McLuhan, and Wyndham Lewis.

>>16392849
MOOOOOOOOODS

>>16392663
Love Cormac but he's more than a little absorbed by William. The middle term has to be Dickinson, although my disagreement is not strong.

>>16392849
damn spongebob is packin

>>16392632
Brazil
Drummond
Graciliano Ramos
Guimarães Rosa

>>16392849
A Canadian voices him, or did originally

>>16392650
Melville, Emerson, Pound imo

>>16392632
Perú
Vallejo, Vargas Llosa, Garcilaso de la vega

>>16393029
>Pound
He'd have a heartattack if you considered him as a Burger

>>16392632
>Pakistan
>Ghalib, Muhammad Husain Jah, Mir Taqi Mir

>>16393029
Pound's striking a bargain with Whitman was not sufficient means to supplant him (it's not even close and Pound knew it)
Still, 2 out of 3 ain't bad!

>>16392632
Shakespeare isn't english. He's a black womyn

>>16393038
but he was a Burger. Just because you leave your country and pretend to be something else doesn't change where you were born and raised.

>>16392632
Unironically neck yourself. No one could possibly value Blake about Wordsworth, unless they were an absolute faggot interested in invention for its own sake over stylistic and philosophic insight expressed in the service of the greatest aesthetic sense since Ovid. Wordsworth is the kind old gentleman of English literature. I cannot express to you the serenity I felt upon first beholding his portrait in the National Gallery. Here was the man who had inspired be beyond all others, who had raised England’s awareness of her own natural bounty while simultaneously calling her to fidelity to her principles.

>>16393038
He was from the Midwest, anon, like Eliot and Fitzgerald- and his manner and forthright style is as obnoxiously Burger as Burger gets.

>>16392638
Fitzgerald doesn't belong with the other guys

>>16392762
This Brazilian thinks he's Italian. What a joke

>>16393078
He is great, even sweet, but you're absolutely right

>>16392632
>canada
>cohen
>macleod
>ondaatje
women control everything and there's no freedom of expression, which is why all the successful canadian writers are women. it's worse than china.

>>16392632
USA
1. James Agee
2. Thomas Wolfe
3. Louis Zukofsky

New Zealand
idrk many writers from here but Katherine Mansfield is cool ig.

>>16393096
Wolfe is criminally underrated

>>16392783
>Can't pick just three
OP asked for writers, not philosophers. Germany doesnt have good literature lmao

>>16392783
Have you read anything by Michael Lentz anon? I wish his stuff was available in English.

>>16393110
I barely know any German literature but they have Goethe, Holderlin, and Novalis

>>16392632
México
>Sor Juana
>José Emilio Pacheco
>Tablada

>>16393036
>Garcilaso de la vega
You mean the peruvian one, right? Not the one who wrote the greatest sonnets in spanish, right?

>>16393018
Ramos is social realism. Not that he's a bad writer, but it's pretty much Hemingway for dummies, other than being corrupted by kitsch and easy emotions (such as Baleia's death in Vidas Secas), as well as by ideological claptrap devoid of true intellectual criticism (São Bernardo).
And everything he wrote can be summarized in Morte e Vida Severina, so that João Cabral rendered Ramos unnecessary.

You know very well that you should have put Machado in there, and you are just being a contrarian - but in this you show yourself to have no literary taste whatsoever. Anyone who has the slightest understanding of Portuguese style will recognize Machado's mastery of the tongue, not to mention his shandeist formal anarchy, which gave such vitality to Brazilian literature. Machado was a real predecessor both of magical realism and post-modernism; meanwhile, Ramos can hardly be called original - he was a great prose stylist, though, this is indeed the case, but so were Joaquim Nabuco, Gilberto Freyre, and many others.
If you wish to ignore Machado, then you should choose someone like Euclides da Cunha, Manuel Bandeira, or João Cabral, i.e., people who gave something truly new to our literature - and something which hadn't been done better elsewhere.

>>16393038
Pound considered himself an American, but an American in the tradition of Jefferson, Adams, and van Buren.
He absolutely despised post 1870's America, believing it to be an asylum, and a disgrace to the Earth. Hence his support for Mussolini (as well as for other reasons).

Russia
idk maybe Gorky? Can't think of many

France
> Literally way too many amazing writers to make a top 3

>>16393124
only goethe is known from this trio

>>16393066
>>16393075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNxzQSheCkc

@43:05

>America has half a dozen men of genius, from a literary standpoint
>Does that include Pound?
>Well, I don't want to rope him in but if you do it's not my funeral

>>16393189
Plebs don't know of them period

>>16393110
It's hard to choose three in Germany, because they don't have three obviously superior great writers in the sense other countries have.

In Italy you'd have to choose Dante and Petrarca. Then who else? Either Tasso, Leopardi, Ariosto, Manzoni, or Boccaccio. Not much space for disagreement here.
In England, it's Shakespeare, Milton and Chaucer. Easiest one.
In Portugal, Camões and Pessoa. Then someone else, probably Eça de Queiroz, which is also quite easy.
In Russia, Pushkin, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. Again, not much space for disagreement, though some people might choose Gogol or Chekhov based on their personal tastes (I'd choose Mandelstam, though I've read him in translation).

In Germany you'd have to pick Goethe, but all the other choices are pretty much dependent exclusively on your personal tastes. You could pick Holderlin, Heine, Mann, Nietzsche, Schiller, Rilke, Schopenhauer, even Luther...
No great German writer is obviously superior to the others, with the exception of Goethe.

A similar problem will happen in France, by the way, as >>16393181 points out. It's impossible.
I'd choose Villon, Montaigne, and Baudelaire. But it's a very tough game. I am leaving Proust out, which sounds crazy, but it would also be crazy to leave out any of the three I've chosen.
It's not that French literature is necessarily superior to others, it's just that you don't have a small number of great writers who obviously surpassed the rest, like Milton, Shakespeare and Chaucer did in England.

>>16393067
wholesome sincerity
>>16393180
fuck off and kys

>>16393189
the other two are both big figures in Romanticism, which is a popular period

>>16393181
Proust, Molière, Camus

>>16393181
Based frog coomers making incels seethe

>>16393223
Tldr = Germany has only 1 great writer and that is Goethe.

>>16393228
Don't do that to your own country, mon cher anon.
Camus is a acneic protuberance compared to the mountains that are Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Villon, Voltaire, Turoldus...

>>16393276
>an

Fix'd.

>>16393223
for Russia Pushkin obviously is 1st place, after him I'd pick Lermontov and Gogol. I know Lermontov didn't write much but what he wrote is unbelievably high quality, he almost reaches Pushkin's level imo, and I think they make a good trio of golden age Russian writers.

France is impossible you're right. personal picks would be Corneille, Flaubert, Gautier probably but I couldn't really defend that. It seems like you are supposed to pick Montaigne and Molière

>>16393300
I prefer Russian writers over American. Criminally underrated today.

>>16392667

Rulfo
Arreola
Del Paso

>>16392632
USA
James, Faulkner, Melville

>>16393300
+1

>>16393300
Lermontov is incredibly underrated. Good picks

>>16392641
>>16392714
>>16393093
is leonard cohan actually good?

America

Fitzgerald
Yates
Melville

>>16392632
Argentina: Sarmiento, Borges, Arlt.
Not my favorites, but they definitely are among the most influential writers of Argentina and the spanish speaking world.

Brazil

Machado de Assis

João Guimarães Rosa

Carlos Drummond de Andrade

>>16393239
If you want to be an obnoxious nationalistic shit flinging faggot that's your own problem.

>>16392652
O incrível é que escolhemos os mesmos caras na mesma ordem

Nicaragua

Rubén Darío (imo the greatest lyrical-æstheticist poet in the Spanish tongue)
[Cosmic Power Gap]
Pablo Antonio Cuadra
Ernesto Cardenal

Honduras

Froylán Turcios
Augusto Monterroso
Ramón Amaya Amador

It is what it is

>>16393540
Yes, he is. His poetry collection "Let Us Compare Mythologies" has some of the greatest lines of verse in Canada. I still haven't gotten around to his novel "Beautiful Losers," but I've heard great things about it

>France
Objectively, I would say
>Balzac
>Hugo
>Zola

Finland

Mika Waltari
Eino Leino
Mikael Agricola

Ireland?

new zealand...
>crickets

>USA
>Faulkner, Pynchon, McCarthy

>Nicanor Parra
>Roberto Bolaño
>Pablo Neruda
Honorable mentions to Huidobro, Bombal, Teillier and Edwards

>Hungary
>Krasznahorkai, Jókai, Kosztolányi

>>16392632
>Henry Lawson
>Frederic Manning
>Banjo Paterson
>Patrick White

It's not, "that" bad. Manning was a favourite of Pound's and he recommended it to all who wanted to start reading literature and poetry.

>>16392714
>jew
>post modern
yep

>>16394384
Oscar Wilde, C.S. Lewis, Sheridan Le Fanu.
Is there any difference between the independent side of Ireland and the one that belongs to the pirates?

>>16394391
NZ
Katherine Mansfield
James K. Baxter
Well, 2 isn't bad.

>>16394462
>no Bryce courtenay

>>16394447
Ady, Hamvas, Arany

>>16392690
szkescwiczshakowalzshczk fuuuuuuuck

>>16394380
I'd add (or maybe replace Waltari with) F.E. Sillänpää and Juhani Aho.

>>16392641
Farley mowat

>>16392632
France
Proust, Baudelaire and me

>>16394634
Take your highschool fiction away from me.

>>16393123
I have not, sorry

Sápmi

Nils-Aslak Valkeapää
Anders Fjellner
Johan Turi

>>16392632
Finland
Mika Waltari, Väinö Linna, Veikko Huovinen

>>16393110
What about Thomas Mann or Herman Hesse?

>>16393353
I don´t think Tolstoy or Dostojevski are "criminally underrated". Hell, even a friend of mine, who barely reads any books has read The Idiot. That being said, you´re right about the authors the other anon mentioned being underrated.

>>16394380
Agricola did come with the ABCs and he wrote some spiritual texts and did a lot of translation, but I don´t think he should be considered one of the greatest writers in Finland. He revolutionized language and writing, but from a technical point of view, not from an artistic.

>>16395342
based and saamipilled

>>16394767
I assume that you're an essayist, anon, as it would appear that you're currently occupying Montaigne's throne..

Germany
Robert Musil
Hermann Broch
Alfred Döblin

>>16393540
beautiful losers is alright

>>16395779
everything is my diary which will be published post-mortem

>>16395938
Well, hopefully I'll be a very old man when it's finally published and I read it.

>>16392641
Didn´t know Cohen has written books, have to check them out, thanks anon

>>16392632
>Uruguay
Mario Levrero
Gustavo Escalnar
Juan Carlos Onetti

>>16392632
France
Chrétien de Troyes, Balzac, Céline

>>16392632
>Netherlands
> Joost van den Vondel
> Simon Vestdijk
> Willem Frederik Hermans

>>16392632
>America
Toni Morisson, Langston Hughes, Herman Melville

USA
Rick Riordan
Brandon Sanderson
Stephen King

China
拉屎
黑鬼
貓

>>16395383
Is there a colossal Finnish poet yet to be discovered by the non-Suomi?

>>16396255
Or non-Suomalaiset or however you say

>>16392632
>El Salvador
>Horacio Castellanos Moya
>Alfredo Espino
>Salvador Salazar Arrué

>>16392632
>USA

>Whitman and Melville, obviously
>Stephen King

>>16396263
Based pupusaschad

>something harold bloom said #1
>something harold bloom said #2
>something harold bloom said #3
woah.... i am truly patrician

>>16396248
>貓
Is the third one literally just “cat”?

>>16392659
Pierre and The Confidence-Man exist, anon.

>>16394384
Joyce, Beckett, O'Brien

>>16396133
I plan to kill myself once everything that is worth anything will have been consigned inside don't worry

>>16392632
> Bangladesh
> All of the best writers were abducted and killed by the Paki soldiers and genociding maniacs.

Argentina
1. Jorge Luis Borges
2. Ernesto Sabato
3. Alberto Laiseca

>>16396255
I haven't seen Eino Leino or Otto Manninen discussed much outside of Finland (might just be my ignorance).

>>16396404
Then I hope life continues to surprise you for many years to come

>>16392659
Personally I find the Piazza Tales comparable with Moby Dick in literary merit.

Sweden
1. August Strindberg
2. Nikanor Teratologen
3. Vilhelm Moberg

>>16392632
Australia
lol

Brazil
Machado de Assis
Guimarães Rosa
Olavo de Carvalho

>>16396643
>Olavo de Carvalho

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dude i'm voted for Trump but fuck this, this is literature not propaganda.

Romania

Camil Petrescu
Marin Preda
Emil Cioran

>>16396764
forgot dracula lol

>>16396764
not ionesco :(

>>16396255
well Eino Leino is the greatest poet of all time from Finland. Out of contemporaries I would say JK Ihalainen, he´s probably my favorite poet. The problem is, you should learn finnish to really understand the nuances in their use of language and also in case of Leino know finnish history. Here´s a great poem by JK Ihalainen, read with Sandor Valys music in the background. It has translations. This is the poem that got me into Ihalainen actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdms277XsJc

>>16396518
I was actually named after a poem from Eino Leino

>>16396533
thanks fren

>>16392632
>Austria
Rilke
Musil
Bernhard

And that's about all of the actual good ones (except if you count Kafka and Joseph Roth).

>>16397137
>Rilke
Overrated hack who plagiarized obscure poets. Trakl is leagues better than Rilke

>>16397140
>Trakl
Up until now I have never heard of him before. Guess I have to read more.

>>16392659
>he ONLY the best novel in the entire American canon? does he REALLY deserve to be on the list?

>>16397137
Gabriel Loidolt's "Hurensohn" ist mit einigem Abstand das beste österreichische Buch das ich je lesen durfte, Anon. Es ist noch besser wenn man aus Graz-Umgebung/Graz selbst ist, da es den verlorenen Bezirk der Stadt, Gries, beschreibt.

>>16392632
Greek Masterrace reporting in.

>>16397137
Adolf may not have been the best writer but definetely best Austrian.

>>16397173
Auch noch nie gehört, danke. Hört sich aber sehr düster/zynisch und freudianisch-komplexlerisch an. Ich mag das eher nicht so an der österreichischen Literatur. Unser "Grant" der hier so zelebriert wird stoßt mich eher ab. Finde da auch Bernhard teilweise grenzwertig. Aber vielleicht schätz ich das Buch ja falsch ein.

>>16396630
How would you rate Transtromer?

>>16397246
Tust du tatsächlich, ja. Der Protagonist ist ein jugoslawischer Einwanderer, der sich aus der Ich-Perspektive heraus oft genug genau über diese "Grantler" aufregt. Es ist aus genau diesem Grund ein enorm erfrischendes Buch, da es eine für mich so gottgegebene Umgebung aus fremden Augen porträtiert, sowohl chronologisch als auch geographisch (insofern jugoslawische Einwanderer nicht eh kern-österreichisch sind...)

>>16397313
Ah, das hört sich schon mal besser an. Ich werds auf die Liste setzen. Grüße nach Graz.

>>16397349
Ich grüße dankend zurück.

English MOTHAFUCKA
you know it?

>>16392641
but these are terrible

>>16392632
>Iceland
>Halldór Laxness, Snorri Sturluson, no one else

>lithuania
>sigitas geda, justinas marcinkevičius, vincas mykolaitis - putinas

>>16397394
Say what you want about Ondaatje and Cohen, but Munro is an amazing short story writer.

>>16397257
Very good, Äldre omsorgen is one of the books that TRULY highlights the perversity of swedish society

>>16392650
commie

>>16393190
cause he was a nazi. he is blacklisted

Serbia

> Nastasijevic
> Njegos
> Crnjanski

>>16392632
Nabokov, [Cormac] McCarthy, Melville

Cervantes, Lope de Vega and Delibes.

>Ireland
>Beckett, Joyce, Flann O'Brien

There's also an enormous corpus of Irish language poetic material from pre-1700s that I only know vaguely but should certainly be counted if you're looking into Irish writers

>>16396630
Strindberg is bredy good

united states of america

george rr martin
brandon sanderson
robert jordan

>>16393065
That's English nowadays

>>16399286
No Laza Kostić? He's like a Slavic Poe.
Is there a great Serbian classical novelist superior to pomo memes that usually get shilled?

black library
chris wraight
aaron dembski bowden
john french

>>16400109
Irish literature is extremely rich for such a small country.
So rich that, even though your selection only includes extremely good authors, it's still wrong.
Or have you forgotten that Jonathan Swift and Yeats were your countrymen?
Ireland is one of those countries in which you can't choose only three.
After all, you have Berkeley, Swift, the great Laurence Sterne, Oscar Wilde, Yeats, Shaw, Joyce, Beckett, O'Brien, and Heaney.
It's a better canon than the English one from the same centuries. Perhaps those who suffer more can write better. What's so incredible is that it's not only a great canon, but also an extremely original and alive one.

>>16400539
>suffer more can write better

Most of the authors you mentioned were Anglo-Irish ascendancy, so they definitely weren't suffering. I think it's the result of the blend of Irish creativity with Anglo-Irish intelligence/education that created this golden class of English-language writers in Ireland

The Irish-language material from before them was also incredibly high-level but got nuked as the country was taken over by Bong influence

>>16396630
Stringdberg for sure, Teratologen maybe, Moberg no. Eyvind Johnson, Harry Martinson, Karin Boye, Pär Lagerkvist or Astrid Lindgren are all better choices than Moberg.

>>16392641
Canadian literature is fucking awful. Literally the only good Canadian writer is Stephen Leacock and that's because he wrote short stories about the collective retardation of Canadians.

>>16396303
The first two are "shit" and "nigga" respectively

>Canada
>Munro
>Frye
>McLuhan

>>16392650
How is Steinbeck better than Faulkner?

Hamsun
Ibsen
Only 2 i can think of

>>16392632
Spain

Miguel de Cervantes
Francisco de Quevedo
Benito Pérez Galdos

>>16397137
Broch is much better than Rilke or Bernhard.

>>16392632
What are some writers of Montenegro?

>>16396764
>>16396807
>>16396816
what do you guys think about Eliade and Noica?
btw if you could recommend some Romanian books outside of the npc factory that would be appreciated(I started reading recently and idk which Romanian writers are overrated and cringe and which one are legit)

>>16401432
This. I've been to "mariposa" and the thing about that place is that they had a massive retard centre that serviced the whole province but due to abuse it got shut down and now they and their genetic imprint live on in "mariposa"

Sad part is Stephen leacocks own son was among these. He had some disease that made him look very young but he was also an alcoholic.

If you're talking about Canadian authors and leave out leacock then you're just not very familiar with Canadian lit

>>16396764
No Stancu?

>>16393540
No he's shit and these chinkleafs are just repeating what Facebook mom's would pick. Cohen sucks. Ondaatje sucks. Munro is good.

>>16400481
Laza Kostic has 1 (one) decent poem. He's awful and it's agreed he was somewhat like a cheap version of the romantics.
As far as novelists go I can make you a list:
Ivo Andric
Mesa Selimovic
Aleksandar Tisma
Borislav Pekic
Milos Crnjanski
Branko Copic
Rastko Petrovic
Lana Bastasic
Isidora Sekulic
Danilo Kis

>>16402086
Only Njegos and it's debated what nationality he is ( hint hint He was a Serb and declared himself so ). Montenegro is one of the countries with the worst literary history in the world. It's awful. There is only a couple of guys from there: Lalic, Risto Ratkovic and that's it really. They only have 300k pop. and they already had Njegos

>>16392659
Melville has only one GREAT novel in Moby-Dick, but it’s one of the greatest works in the English language, almost certainly the greatest written by an American. Additionally, he has other great works in the Piazza Tales. I’d agree that Fitzgerald does not deserve to be there, I’d probably choose Whitman

>>16392783
what a shame, for Johan was such a good name

>>16393124
Kafka as well

>>16393224
rude

>>16392632
>Russia
>Gogol, Bely and Sokolov