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Because all of your education and social education revolves around an Indian basket weaving forum. Kant is being paraded as a problematic colonialist and racist around every humanities department in the West. This is despite the extracts you quoted stemming from his earlier, pre-practical period. After he wrote his practical works such as the Metaphysics of Morals and Perpetual Peace, he radically changed his stanc, spoke out against racial hierarchies, colonialism etc. and advocated a cosmopolitan society.

>>16366683
Are you going to spam it here too? Isn't /his/ enough?

>>16366683
I still can't imagine what the fuck Kant would have been like to see or talk with.

>>16366723
I've never seen this before and I don't go on /his/

>>16366719
> After he wrote his practical works such as the Metaphysics of Morals and Perpetual Peace, he radically changed his stanc, spoke out against racial hierarchies, colonialism etc. and advocated a cosmopolitan society.
Source

>>16366683
>Be white
>First come to America
>See Native Americans with superior moral ethics (disciplined in body and spirit, took amazing care of orphans and widows, BTFO triune cosmology)
>Completely destroy their civilization
The whites did it again boys

>He goes on that Hindustanis can never reach the level of abstract concepts and that a "great hindustani man" is one who has "gone far in the art of deception and has much money". He stated that the Hindus always stay the way they are and can never advance.
Hello sir
do the needful and visit Padyhar IT hub software company when com to Mumbay. Very smart people. Thank you sir.

>>16366763
reading Kant, retard. Try it. I literally gave 2 sources.

>>16366683
was normal at the time

>>16367118
Seems pointless to read them though since you've supposedly read them but can't remember a single quote to back up what you just said.

If indians cannot do any science then why is india the computer science superpower of the planet?

>>16366683
Kant changed his mind after he wrote his second critique. While the 1770s Antropology has a (now infamous) section dedicated to racial distinctions, in the 1790s Anthropology he says that race has no effect on the capacity for thought nor action (practical and theoretical reason). Also in Perpetual Peace he argues against all forms of colonialism, and claims that every population has equal dignity (so, no "Europeans must lead the world" schtick).

Dunno why people keep quoting Kant's pre-critical writings as if they have any relevance on the Kant we actually study. Here's another big news: before the first critique Kant thought that the existence of logical laws proved the existence of God. Is it relevant? No, because he refuted these claims in the books we actually read and study (his three critiques)

>>16366763
>>16367817
I've mentioned two sources here. Check the 1790s Anthropology and On Perpetual Peace.

>>16366734
He was very charming, apparently.

>>16367553
because they have computers and the anglo gene now.

>>16368148
Anglo genes are nonexistent inside of india.

>>16367553
Computer science superpower != IT outsourcing farm

The most powerful supercomputers in the world are built by the US and China. Best software is developed in the US. Semiconductors are manufactured in East Asian countries. India is the place to look if you're trying to staff your offshore IT department.

>>16367553
>computer science superpower

>>16366773
>Native Americans with superior moral ethics

Oh, no.

>>16366773
you deserve the ant hill

>>16366683
CANCEL HIM OMGG CANCEL KANT BURNNNN HIS BOOOOOOOKSSSSSSSSSSSS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16367817
>yeah Kant said some really stupid shit and flipped his opinions a lot, but LMAO that one time he said that one viewpoint I like he totally was right. xD wrong so often but that one time he was absolutely right!
>glad we could settle this ^_^


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Fuck Niggers and fuck kikes

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>>16368249
read pic related.

>>16368485
Suck a dick chief red foot I ain’t reading that garbage

>>16366683
>He said the Native Americans are "far below the Negro...
WRONG

>>16368399
Did you miss the whole "waking up from dogmatic slumber" part? lmao

>>16368399
>but LMAO that one time he said that one viewpoint I like he totally was right. xD wrong so often but that one time he was absolutely right!
The books I've mentioned are literally the two most important works of his maturity, apart from the three critiques. It's not like my source was a goddamn letter or a diary entry

>>16368503
i hope the Great Spirit curse you

>>16368399
>being open to revising your opinion is "flip-flopping"
You will never experience personal growth with that attitude

Is he gonna get cancelled?

Honest question.

>>16368846
>Is he gonna get cancelled?
i would be happy about it. All enlightenment intellectuals should have never existed.

>>16367817
>Dunno why people keep quoting Kant's pre-critical writings as if they have any relevance on the Kant we actually study. Here's another big news: before the first critique Kant thought that the existence of logical laws proved the existence of God. Is it relevant? No, because he refuted these claims in the books we actually read and study (his three critiques)
and how do you know the 1st Kant is not the right one, moron.

>>16368925
>>16368925
>>16368925
>proof of any sort is impossible
>as Godel proved

And
>the incompleteness theorem infers the belief of God

Hare-brained takes by JBP unless I'm not understanding him correctly. He should stick with what's in his wheelhouse.

>>16368535
So Hume, the (currently) hyper white supremacy racist dude, woke Kant from his dogmatic slumber and told him that niggers are cool after all.
You absolute retard made the argument against yourself.
>>16368545
>mentioned are literally the two most important works of his maturity
What is opus postumum?
ah yes, that one very last work by Kant that goes against his Critiques. Lets ignore this absolutely most mature work then as well.
Admit it faggot, your tranny cope is retarded and you know it.
>>16368842
>We must flip flop, but, yes, racism is always wrong ;)

>>16366773
>Native Americans with superior moral ethics
Yes, constant tribal warfare, where the woman get raped and the men scalped sure is moral.

>>16367817
btw, is the latter Kant is the one who thinks its bad to lie when a killer knocks on your door?

>>16369488
>So Hume, the (currently) hyper white supremacy racist dude, woke Kant from his dogmatic slumber and told him that niggers are cool after all.
Are you daft? Do you think that Kant woke up from the dogmatic slumber, and then he immediatly started to dogmatically follow Hume, even if he refutes most of his philosophy in the 3 critiques?
>What is opus postumum?
Literally a collection of unpublished notes, and Kant thought that they led to nothing, as you surely know
>Admit it faggot, your tranny cope is retarded and you know it.
Admit what? It is a fact that Kant thought that his critical project refuted hierarchical racial theories, and it is a fact that he thought nothing of the Opus Postumuum, and it is a fact that Kant did not dogmatically follow Hume. You're the one coping, since you have to resort to lying to make your points.

>>16369523
Dunno what was his pre-critical philosophy like. Certainly after the second critique he thought that.

>>16366773
>superior moral ethics
>children torture small animals for fun

>>16366683
It confuses me when white supremacists use Kant's anthropology, they do know he considered Arabs white?

>>16369517
Yes, not your faggy Europoor moral, but moral nonetheless.

>>16367817
>Kant changed his mind after he wrote his second critique.
What lead him to change his mind?

>>16370559
He first got BTFO'd by Herder, Metzger and Forster, then nd BTFO'd his own racial speculations with the third critique, which argued against the theory of biology he had prior to that (where inferior races were created by unfavourable climatic condition over large spans of time, a claim that is simply untenable under the theleological model he will design in the 1790s). Basically, bit by bit he ended up refuting all the assumptions necessary for his hierarchical racial theory, by the end of it he was left with the universalism and cosmopolitanism of the second critique and Towards Perpetual Peace.

>>16366683
The lil man never left konigsberg his entire life. He isn’t even going on video evidence, this is just pure hear say he’s peddling as fact

>>16370793
>if only he had some more subjective experiences then he wouldn't have had the ideas that he had

>>16370501
Arabs are white

>>16370857
>people actually believe this

>>16370328
>? Do you think that Kant woke up from the dogmatic slumber, and then he immediatly started to dogmatically follow Hume, even if he refutes most of his philosophy in the 3 critiques?
he equates reading Hume to waking up from his dogmatic slumber, ya daft cunt.
>d Kant thought that they led to nothing
he died. thats why. i mentioned that work because Kant , after so long of opposing his subsequent followers and their wild claims, disavowing Fichte, that HIS critiques weren't enough but lacking.
>t Kant did not dogmatically follow Hume.
he followed Hume by admiting that dogmatism isn't to be followed. He stopped at the skeptic point and developed his idealism, but of course he follwoed Hume and that's why the joke that Hume told him niggers aint that bad after all.

But anyway, caring what Kant wrote about beyond his critiques maybe isn't the best use of time and especially if you are not politically inclined why even read his "Zum Ewigen Frieden" and similar texts, so who cares what he thought of x racial group; it is jsut funny to say Kant thought Redskins to be even lower than the low standard of the nigger.

this thread should have been pruned desu.

>>16370953
>he equates reading Hume to waking up from his dogmatic slumber, ya daft cunt
Yes. That doesn't mean that he then proceeded to substitute the wolffian dogma for a humean one. The first two critiques are basically a refutation of Hume's two enquiries.
>he died. thats why. i mentioned that work because Kant , after so long of opposing his subsequent followers and their wild claims, disavowing Fichte, that HIS critiques weren't enough but lacking.
He stopped writing it years before his death. The speculations in Opus Postumuum led to nothing: it is impossible to make the jump from metaphysics of nature of physics.
>but of course he follwoed Hume and that's why the joke that Hume told him niggers aint that bad after all.
So Kant refuted Hume's epistemology, moral theory, philosophy of mind, political theory and aesthetics, but he followed Hume because... because? It sounds like you just want the late Kant to be raicist, even if he wasnt.

>But anyway, caring what Kant wrote about beyond his critiques maybe isn't the best use of time and especially if you are not politically inclined why even read his "Zum Ewigen Frieden" and similar texts, so who cares what he thought of x racial group
Had Kant been more kantian, he would have realized that his first and second critique already refuted any possible hierarchical racial theory. In fact even just the second critique by itself is enough to do so.

>>16370847
YES.

>>16366773
>be natives
>get conquered cuz weaker

>>16370328
>Kant thought the Opus Postumum lead to nothing
Source? He in fact says in them the a priori ether/caloric completes his system. Then it was covered up.

>>16366773
>be native american
>btfo different tribes
>collect scalps
>see whitey
>whitey gives us some brown liquid
>TURN UP

>>16367817
>that race has no effect on the capacity for thought nor action (practical and theoretical reason). Also in Perpetual Peace he argues against all forms of colonialism, and claims that every population has equal dignity (so, no "Europeans must lead the world" schtick).
This is because of his need to universalize everyone into the same sort of agent, which is required by his autistic moral system

>>16366683
Hating Natives is cringe. Consider them lower than Negroes is giga cringe. Glad he BTFO'd himself later on.

>>16372456
>waaaaaah da joooz are genociding us man! Can't you see they put a black person in star wars! Bah! rise up huwhite man before it's too late!
white fragility

>>16372593
https://www.wbur.org/news/2020/05/12/antisemitic-crime-record-level

>>16372600
not a single word son

>>16370848
Lebanese/Syrian are white (example Assad) when you go further from that area you will find the stinky brown ones.

>>16368532
Ok Ahtunowhiho

>>16366763

Kant never changed his stance on race LMFAO

what the fuck am I reading

>>16370559
A women.

>>16366683
None wants to talk about the """"dark side"""" of he enlightenment, they can't deal with it.

>>16368545

Physical Geography (1802) came 2 years before his death and he doubled down there on his racial ways.

Admittedly, many elements of Kant's philosophy can be used against racist thinking, but likewise many other elements be used for racism. Kant was 100% a racialist by today's standards and probably belived to the end in the superiority of europeans over other races.

>>16367817
This isn't true btw, he talks about inborn characteristics in that book also

>>16373749
In the 1790s Anthropology? He certainly doesn't relate them to race.
>>16373299
Kant did not write it, 2 years beford his death he was demented and unable to even proofresd it. The 1802 was compiled by a few followers of his (there are multiple versions), and they mostly used old notes of his.
>>16372543
Yeah, he was absurdly based, I know.
>>16372482
It never reaches its goal of deriving pure physics from metaphysics of nature. After the failed attempt he abandoned the project, and he never asked anyone to publish his notes.

another episode of unaccomplished white dudes coping via their irrelevant books

>>16373976
>According to Hall's interpretation Kant faces a dilemma in the First Analogy which he is unable to resolve and "this constitutes a gap in Kant's Critical philosophy that he is unable to deal with given the tools available to him inCPR" (p. 51). Unequivocal interpretations (like e. g. Kenneth Westphal's, p. 49) are not able to solve the problem because Kant needs both concepts of substance in the Second and Third Analogy to explain causal relations between objects of experience and the simultaneous community of those objects in space. Kant therefore "requires a new concept of Substance different from the category of substance" (p. 51), and this leads to Kant's ether theory in theOP.
>Chapter two gives attention to the development of the Kantian ether theory; chapter three offers a reconstruction of Kant's Ether Deduction in theÜbergangsection ofOP. Hall attempts to present a valid and sound version of Kant's effort to prove a priori the existence of a primordial matter, named ether or caloric, which is the basis of the collective unity of all moving forces of matter that affect the sensibility of the subject and therefore functions as a principle of the absolute unity of possible experience. A goal of Hall's argumentation is to show that "the conclusion of the Ether Deduction is not only a constitutive thesis but also wholly consistent with Kant's transcendental Idealism/empirical realism" (p. 56)

>>16374020
Link to the paper?

>>16374292
It's a book, Bryan Wesley Hall,The Post-Critical Kant: Understanding the Critical Philosophy through the Opus postumum

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>>16366719
no he didn't tho lol, you're literally fabricating things

>>16375814
Was he lying when he said in the Anthropology that race has no effect on human thought and action? Was he lying when he said in Towards Perpetual Peace that every population has the same dignity?

>>16374463
Do you have a pdf?

>>16375870
Come on, dude. Do the right thing and pay for it.

>>16375384
Well, leftists? What's the excuse for this?

>>16373976
>He certainly doesn't relate them to race.
He relates them to ethnicity